wow…hard to beleieve someone whose experienced the stark reality of war and hopefully come to some understanding of the briefness and fleeting nature of life somehow finds it worthwhile to to spend thier time arguing on the internet
with a group of peopel who dont agree with him..

are you a millionaire too? most of the argumenative vets we get around here also happen to be millionaires too. anyone remember jake the fake?

alcyone Says:
You are doing a little like Hillary when she went after oil company “windfall” profits and picked her data point start date as a time when big oil was losing billions a year, and her data end point as a time when profits were the highest.

And I think the point I made is valid. It is a real time reference. People did in fact lose money on stock trades and 401K’s in that time frame.

In fact if they had invested when the dow was at 14000 where would they be today? Bankrupt most likely.

You miss the point completely. People cannot risk their retirement completely in the stock market, any stock market. That is why social security is and has been safe and reliable and will continue to be so if we can keep the conservatives from robbing from it.

Even mutual funds have fallen from the ranks of safe investments if you ask me…..

Additionally as dbadass has pointed out, you have not made your case that the date presented is not valid. You have expressed that opinion but you have presented no data of your own to back up any such of a thing.

I read back through your posts and a remarkable thing is missing….proof. You offer nothing more than opinions.

alcyone Says:
Let’s take their 35 year time frame. On Oct 3, 1983, the Dow was at 1,258. On Oct 1, 2008 it was 8,979. Now, “IF” stock behavior tracked the Dow/Hang Seng, your investments would have gone up about 700% as of Oct 1. By liquidating in Jan of 2008 (which I did) your investment would be up 1,500

And IF the stock market was at 11000 in 2001 and now is in the 8000’s you have lost at a similar rate….it’s risky if you don’t know what you are doing.

Your plan would put most Americans at risk of losing everything as is evident in the market today.

Face it, you have no solutions, just more market is good bullshit…

We need to strenthen America by moving back to producing items rather than trading paper for a living, it will be our downfall.

alcyone Says:
I just knew the information on the chart was bogus, although they did stipulate “IF”. Well, “IF” a chicken had lips, they could drink water through a straw.

this guys condesention is offputting. He should take his own advise.

If is not just if in this case. Many people with 401K’s are losing money…..that is thier retirement fund aside from social security.

If they didn’t have social security, a safe retirement supplement plan, they would be up shit creek.

IF you invest all of your funds in anything that might ever be as risky as the stock market and that means any of them, then your are taking a huge risk with money you can’t afford to lose.

If you could understand that most people don’t have the knowledge that you have about the markets or the time to just sit and watch and worry over them then you might have a clearer picture of what life is like for most Americans.

IF.

Anyway, I figured you weren’t since your attempts at schooling others are sort of weak. Maybe a teaching certification might help afterall…

al’s just gonna get right in there, and you know, shake things up a little, right hun?

drill, al, drill!

alcyone Says:

The key works from Joe the Plumber are, IF YOU BELIEVE HIM (Obama). Sounds like Joe doesn’t.

You have a real knack for the obvious al.