CNN fact-check: ‘This is looking like a fraud committed against ACORN.’
By on Oct 18th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
CNN fact-check: ‘This is looking like a fraud committed against ACORN.’
Tonight, CNN investigative reporter Drew Griffin fact-checked John McCain’s claim that the grassroots community organizing group ACORN is “destroying the fabric of democracy.” Conservatives have attacked ACORN’s voter registration efforts as “voter fraud” because they have resulted in the submission of a small number of faulty forms. As noted by DailyKos diarist ryeland, Griffin correctly reported, “Our research is showing — this more looks like a fraud perpetrated on ACORN,” not by ACORN. The people who ACORN paid by the hour to register voters committed fraudulent acts against the organization. Watch it:
Griffin went on to explain to “viewers that it is very unlikely that the bogus registrations would actually lead to voter fraud.”
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Smart people already knew that.
WaltTheMan–please read my post to you under the Beluga whale TP
October 18th, 2008 at 10:43 pmWhy oh why am I not the least bit surprised.
This has KKKarl Rove’s greasy fingerprints all over it.
October 18th, 2008 at 10:53 pmTIRED OF THE B.S.?
ANGRY?
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT…..
360@cnn.com, loudobbs@cnn.com, am@cnn.com, bill.schneider@turner.com, jeanne.meserve@turner.com, jim.walton@turner.com, deirdre.walsh@turner.com, caffertyfile@cnn.com, kyra.phillips@turner.com, lou.dobbs@turner.com, miles.obrien@turner.com, candy.crowley@turner.com, jon.klein@cnn.com, greg.d’alba@cnn.com, jonathan.davies@cnn.com, Richard.Davis@cnn.com, susan.grant@cnn.com, ken.jautz@cnn.com, tony.maddox@cnn.com, jim.walton@cnn.com, jack.womack@cnn.com, Christiane.Amanpour@cnn.com, wolf.blitzer@cnn.com, soledad.obrien@cnn.com, sanjay.gupta@cnn.com, anderson.cooper@cnn.com, cnnfutures@cnn.com, dana.bash@cnn.com, Campbell.brown@cnn.com, Gloria.borger@cnn.com, Jim.Acosta@cnn.com, john.roberts@cnn.com, ali.velshi@cnn.com, Carol.Costello@cnn.com, rick.sanchez@cnn.com, joanna.digeronimo@cnn.com, JESSICA.YELLIN@CNN.COM, candy.crowley@cnn.com, DREW.GRIFFIN@CNN.COM
October 18th, 2008 at 10:56 pmThank you rastaman!!
October 18th, 2008 at 10:58 pmNext, CNN will report and be “shocked, SHOCKED to find that gambling is going on in here!”
October 18th, 2008 at 11:02 pmAwesome links, rastaman, thanks.
Lone Voice, if I see Walt at the Zoo http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ I’ll pass along your message.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:04 pmShocking how cnn is reporting on this. While the neocons steal elections through massive election fraud, they try to divert attention by blaming progressives for voter fraud. There is very little, if any, voter fraud on the dems side.
Thank you cnn.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:05 pmThank you CNN for doing your job once in a while.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:07 pmThank you Jane, I appreciate it. I know that my family and I are doing our part to raise awareness for the campaign and volunteering and canvassing our tushies off. I hope more people get fired up over this and do the same because there is a lot of Repug misinformation floating around out there. I respect others opinions and have had a lot of flack from those who just do not want to be bothered to see the real issues and only like the soundbites that appeal to them, i.e. Democrats favor abortion, Obama pals with terrorists and is a foreigner and Muslim (why is that a slur anyway?), Joe the plumber crap, etc. So if it seems that I am on here a lot it’s because after a day of bashing my head against a wall with these people it is so refreshing to talk to intelligent people who can really look at both sides fairly. Thank you all.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:11 pmOf course though CNN failed to mention theres a perfectly good explanation why Obama and Democrats are supporting ACORN. And thats the same reason Republicans are vilifying ACORN
October 18th, 2008 at 11:17 pmNote that ACORN flags the questionable registration forms before submitting them. By law, ACORN must submit every reg form–they don’t have the option to toss out fraudulent forms.
So, for the CNN guy to claim ACORN is sloppy and bringing this upon themselves is BS and shows a lack of understanding by these so-called journalists.
- Tom
October 18th, 2008 at 11:17 pmWasn’t Blinky at a dinner hosted by Acorn some time ago? Pretty sure I saw that somewhere
October 18th, 2008 at 11:20 pmLone, I’ve seen video of Blinky McShame as a guest speaker at ACORN. Probably on Keith Olbermann, so the video is probably on the MSNBC site. I seem to recall hearing that he did a couple of speeches for them.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:23 pmRepublican claims that voter registration fraud is a danger to democracy is exactly like trying to claim that dangerous roadways are the fault of kids using fake driver licenses as I. D.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:26 pmLone Voice, in fact I think that the video that I saw was dated April 2008. So it’s not as if McShame spoke to them (and thanked them for their efforts!) several years ago or something. As usual, typical Repub hypocrites!
October 18th, 2008 at 11:27 pmOf course, among those 200,000 would be Joe the Plumber, whose name is misspelled on his Republican voter registration form…
October 18th, 2008 at 11:27 pmEvery Democrat interviewed for any outlet ought to preface every answer with this post’s headline, followed by:
“And now let’s get back to the urgent matter of the nation’s economy.”
October 18th, 2008 at 11:28 pmNot up to me, Trajan. We all know that the smaller the voting block, the better it is for Republicans. So it makes sense that they would seek to deny the right to vote to as many brown people as they could.
It’s not very idealistic or democratic, but it is clever, in a shallow, twisted, self-concerned way.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:37 pmLook many of the same Repukes said Sadaam had WMD also,anyone soon we forget.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:43 pmLook many of the same Repukes said Sadaam had WMD also,how soon we forget.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:43 pmSix members of the election board in Wisconsin,, all retired judges, ran their names against the state election registration database. Four came back as mismatches, and would therefore have been ineligible to vote in Republican America (http://www.madison.com/tct/news/stories/310181). I have held driver’s licenses in two states, Arizona and Minnesota. My fairly common name was misspelled by both (different errors) and my voter registration card has the Arizona misspelling even though I’ve tried several times to get it fixed. It is completely ridiculous to penalize people and take away their right to vote because of the sloppy data entry practices of state employees. There is no sense trying to explain this all to the right wingers. It’s not even that they can’t understand–they simply have chosen not to. Let them wallow in their pretend victimhood if that’s what makes them happy, but we need to fight to make sure they don’t use their misplaced paranoia to disenfranchise the rest of us and rob us of our lawful right to vote.
As for CNN, maybe Drew Griffin should take a stroll over to Lou Dobbs’ office and draw a graph of how ACORN works for him. Outside of Fox News, Dobbs has been more guilty than anyone on TV of spreading misinformation and deliberately mischaracterizing the ACORN threat. Dobbs is a CNN exec. I wouldn’t be giving them any kudos until they force Dobbs to come clean on his outrageously foolish commentary about ACORN last week.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:48 pmMcCain at an ACORN dinner: “ACORN is part of what makes America special.” (or something like that)
McCain on the campaign trail: “ACORN is evil and so is that one.” (or something like that)
Now that we know that the fraud related to ACORN is not voter fraud but rather the kind of fraud where some a$$hole is trying to make money by cheating and screwing the rest of us over, we know why Republicans are so miffed about it.
We’ve said it before and we’ll say it again: If Republicans are saying Democrats are guilty of something, it’s because Republicans are actually guilty of it. And it’s usually all about money.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:50 pmoh and before I forget…
Hi Twajie. Back again, huh? You haven’t learned a thing, not that it’s surprising.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:53 pm#34.
Actually, you’re the one who is supposed to answer that question…you…fu(king…idiot…
We’re the ones who said all along we wouldn’t find any WMDs in Iraq, and even if we did they would be old, degraded, and not useable…and even then, if they had a receipt attached it would most likely bear Rumsfeld’s signature.
Go back to your corner and continue sucking your thumb you troglodyte.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:56 pmRe: #37
Actually, Twajie, yes I did. You know why? Because I happened to have THIS link for you:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/17/scotus-ohio/
Take that to the bank, cash it, and go on a fu(king vacation out of my life, PLEASE.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:08 amHey, Twajikistan, what was your link from “freedomagenda” supposed to demonstrate?
That Democrats were so naive that they bought what the President of the United States assured them was true?
October 19th, 2008 at 12:12 amBecause, Twajie-boy (glad you’re not denying it), as evidenced here:
alcyone Says:
I would assume that, in light of this information, no one would have a problem crossing off any registration that is not valid. Like the 200,000 in Ohio.
You were implying that ACORN is involved in voter fraud, and at the same time trying to legitimize the disenfranchisement of 200,000 legal voters in Ohio who are already the victims of the Government Typo.
So take your idiocy, your fascism, you derangement, your inhumanity, your pseudochristianity, your self loathing, your neanderthal mindset, your psychotic worldview, your dead and broken ideology, and your stupid, brain dead, worthless ass and go, and let the adults discuss the real problems of the world. Keep your fake outrages and scandals to yourself, we have enough problems right now dealing with the REAL ones caused by GWB and hopefully not continued by John W. McSame and Sociopath Sarah.
Good day.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:19 amI made a statement way back when that was based on the mis-information provided to me at that time.
I have since come to realize that this information and therefore the statements are incorrect.
As such, I have changed my position to reflect the truths I now know.
However, many will chastise me for those previous statements and try to present them still as truths, when in fact, they are not correct in that belief because they choose to ignore the circumstances in which these statements are being made.
Let me clarify, I used to believe in Santa Claus and now I do not. I also used to believe that Sadam had WMD (as almost the entire world did) but now I do not.
So according to a certain poster here, I must conveniently forget the facts as they are now known, and continue to believe that Santa Claus exist.
Pffffft.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:26 am42. alcyone Says:
I sure don’t see “old” “degraded” or “not useable” here, liberal:
Except those are QUOTES, they are OLD (as in they were made a few years ago), they ARE degraded (since the information they had and based those statements upon turned out to be FALSE), and therefore they are NOT USEABLE.
Also, since they are QUOTES and not WMDs you still haven’t answered the question. Our first reason for invading, according to Herr W., was that Saddam was trying to get nukes so he could threaten World Peace or something, right? So where are they??? Oops. New reason, Saddam and Al Qaeda, that’s the ticket! Georgie boy himself said publicly in front of the press that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11, and that there was no link between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden. Oops. New reason…Oops. New reason…out of reasons…reuse old reasons and insert Iran.
Sorry, Twajie, but I guess I already know you can’t answer the question of where the WMDs are. They aren’t there, they weren’t there, and so it is unfair of me to ask you to prove something that is untrue.
I’m sure you do. And as said before, you DUMBA$$, the people saying those things were LIED to about the threat and made to believe it was imminent. This is why they now are opposed to this war and this president, that’s sorta what people do once they find out they’ve been lied to, they get pissed and turn on the LIARS.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:28 amTake your fake concern and shove it.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:30 amWhile McCain is attacking ACORN who has been in business since 1970 and because McCain is behind he’s looking to steal the election by stopping people from voting. Now while the Media and McCain lie about ACORN the McCain campaign has hired a company to change voters party from Democrat to Republican. Yes this is McCain’s way of getting voters by tricking them. Now their is an investigation into the company and charges will be filed as voter fraud. Karl Rove’s old trick didn’t work this time because people called the LA Media and the Prosecutors office at once.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:32 amtrajie,
you’re back.
what happened to your blog?
#
trajie?
^
October 19th, 2008 at 12:33 amtrajie,
show us your link.
;)
thank you.
^
October 19th, 2008 at 12:34 amalcyone Says:
yeah,the comments were made when it was relevant. About this twajiboy thing, liberal….I’m not familiar with that….you aren’t some kind of sick kinko who goes after little boys are you?
*
that would rush.
or, your friend, larry.
*
October 19th, 2008 at 12:34 am*
October 19th, 2008 at 12:37 amtrajie?
trajie…?
*
link to your
blog please.
^
October 19th, 2008 at 12:37 amalcyone Says:
I don’t see this as being an “ACORN” problem, I see it as having names on the voter registration rolls that don’t match reference lists.
If those names got there because some “hired help” person wasn’t doing their job, it shouldn’t bother anyone if those names are removed. If that is the explanation and it does bother someone to have those names removed, there is a reason for that too.
*
look, see.
*
sucks to be you,
doesn’t it?
^
October 19th, 2008 at 12:45 amI’m tired of repugs negative comments the fine organization, ACORN.
I know first hand that ACORN is a very good community based aid. I won’t bore you with all the good work they do but they will go out of their way to help people that need help. They are bright, driven, bucking (they do very well) the imbalances of our society. They are caring, ready and love people who voice their opinions about the injustices everywhere.
I LOVE THEM.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:46 amit shouldn’t bother anyone if those names are removed.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:48 amNope, should not bother anyone to be disinfranchised.
NOT
does bother someone to have those names removed, there is a reason for that too.
Care to elaborate on that there trajan?
alcyone Says:
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liberal traitor Says:
We’re the ones who said all along we wouldn’t find any WMDs in Iraq, and even if we did they would be old, degraded, and not useable
I sure don’t see “old” “degraded” or “not useable” here, liberal:
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Addressing the US House of Representatives
October 10, 2002
Congressional Record, p. H7777
Senator Edward Kennedy (Democrat, Massachusetts)
Speech at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies
September 27, 2002
I have more if you like
October 19th, 2008 at 12:20 am
How about finding Dems who actually voted “Yay” on the resolution to invade Iraq (illegally) , dipshit ; both Pelosi and Kennedy voted “Nay” you absolute moron………
Man , you’re clueless………….
October 19th, 2008 at 12:48 amJohn McCain is a goddamned LIAR. McCain hasn’t got one ounce of integrity or honor.
Anyone with half a brain would know that this “ACORN” business is crap propaganda. Both the news media like CNN and McCain know unequivocally that their claims phrased as “voter fraud” are bogus, yet they perpetuate them at heavy rotation.
McCain, you’re a goddamned, no-balls sack of lying pus. I’m ashamed of my country for not drumming your incompetent, plane-crashing @ss out of the military, all because of your daddy.
When Oliver Stone decides to make a sequel to “W,” he just needs to flip the logo over into an “M.” You two pampered failures are two sides of the same lying-@ss coin.
Go join your other military, butt-kissing turncoat-whiner Colin Powell and you two can swap anecdotes about who told the biggest whoppers to the American people.
McCain: America’s Sawed-Off Insurance Salesman.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:48 amtrajie?
trajie…?
#
October 19th, 2008 at 12:51 amMcCain: America’s Sawed-Off Insurance Salesman.
OMG!
He’s King of the Hill’s father!
To the letter!
October 19th, 2008 at 12:54 amBuck: Now, I am not a history buff, but I tell you, I don’t remember Louis XIV spending his days pulling hippie hair out of drains!
Buck: Get me my flip-flops, I’m going to shave in the pool.
Buck: I had it all, Hank. I had a good wife to mother me. I had a pretty young girlfriend. I was livin’ like a Frenchman!
October 19th, 2008 at 12:58 amAnd his constant harangues about his days in the Army.
Did McCain’s political consultants model his current personna after Buck Hill?
October 19th, 2008 at 1:00 amooops,
just a hand job
trajie?
*
October 19th, 2008 at 1:00 amno links from
trajie?
*
i guess his
wife didn’t have
a headache after all.
:)
lucky trajie.
(he’ll be back in five minutes.)
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October 19th, 2008 at 1:01 amMcCain: Get me my flip-flops, I’m going to shave in the pool
Comedy gold!
October 19th, 2008 at 1:04 amtrajie,
were you in
this group?
yes/no?
*
thank you.
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October 19th, 2008 at 1:06 amAs I see it ACORN is a fine community organization that hired some moron`s (Reich wingers) and didn`t know it until they turned in some voter registrations that were fraudulent. The Reich is singing the blues because they will lose in November and we on the left can fix the mess from these last eight years of Reich wing authortarian phuck ups.This is the end of neo liberalism, neo facsism and the republican dogma as we know it.Thank goodness.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:07 amWait a minute, CNN (the Fox wannabe) is reporting that ACORN is NOT perpetuating voter fraud? This is the CNN where Lou Dobbs is ranting daily about how ACORN is going to steal the election for Obama? Wow, pigs really do fly.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:09 amtakes trajie,
a long, long
long time…
to answer.
*
doesn’t it?
#
good luck.
#
October 19th, 2008 at 1:09 ambarfly Says:
McCain: America’s Sawed-Off Insurance Salesman.
OMG!
He’s King of the Hill’s father!
To the letter!
McCotton Hill?
October 19th, 2008 at 1:14 am#alcyone Says:
I would assume that, in light of this information, no one would have a problem crossing off any registration that is not valid. Like the 200,000 in Ohio.
You are an a$$. The 200,000 registrations in Ohio were perfectly valid. The only thing wrong with it was that they checked the names against a database that had typos and missing information in it. Hey, Joe the Plumber would have been tagged because the database had misspelled his name.
Do you really think people should not be allowed to vote because they registered as Jane A. Doe and the database they checked had them as Jane Doe. Or do you think they should not be allowed to vote because the database had their name misspelled, or the person entering the information for the registrar of voters made a typo?
It’s really too bad that the only way the Republicans can win elections is by disenfranchising voters and flipping votes in voting machines. Pathetic actually.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:15 amI think the Troll either passed out at the keyboard, or is on a Cheetos run
October 19th, 2008 at 1:17 amalcyone Says:
Dr Hussein with no brain…the 200,000 do not match existing records. If this is something caused by “paid help”, then get the ones that don’t match out of the system. Every body wins that way.
You really are an idiot. Most don’t match because of typos. The name is spelled slightly different but the address matches. But the rules say that registration has to be tagged because of the discrepancy. Do you really think those people should be denied the right to vote because of a typo?
October 19th, 2008 at 1:17 amOkay, so I guess the question that needs to be asked is;
October 19th, 2008 at 1:18 amWho set up ACORN for this?
Three guesses and the first two don’t count.
Since we’re into late-night deep thoughts – does the current trend, of conservative pundits’ presenting Obama in an almost neutral manner, indicate their unspoken, collective fear that an Obama presidency might result in a call for a renewed Fairness Doctrine by his party’s constituents? Does their somewhat untimely decision to acknowledge political reality in the presidential race, represent an attempt to stave off such a grass-roots liberal referendum, by showing it really isn’t necessary?
October 19th, 2008 at 1:18 amrepugs will stir up lies about anyone real or imagined. they will make up shyte to defray the other bs that’s going on. Like what they are doing in Iraq and then use the same lie for Iran.
repugs are dirty, sneaky liars. they are worse on the repug sites. They said they are getting a guns because there will be hell either way on Nov 4th. I doubt these kkk assh won’t do shyte.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:19 amWhat happened Trajan, your blog shut down or did you get bored waiting for someone, anyone to post on it?
October 19th, 2008 at 1:19 amalcyone Says:
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Hey McMetal, plenty of dems voted to go into Iraq. 111 to be exact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
Do you not think this information is available, McMetal? Just because Diddldykos or Bowelmovement.org doesn’t inject the information up your butt with turkey baister doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
They say looking up information online is a good brain stimulant….you really should try it.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:00 am
You’re attempting to give me advice ?
And with an action you claim I should use , that you youself ignored and did not use , and thus made yourself look like a complete imbecile ?
Try re-reading your moronic posts before hitting the “Submit Comment” button , jackass ; and culling your little tidbits of crap off of NewsCrap and the Weakly Substandard is something you really should consider dropping………..
October 19th, 2008 at 1:20 amTrajan says:
His point (sigh) was that the people who said the things you quoted did not vote for it (sigh). You really are just an intellectual black hole aren’t you? How did you become this obtuse…and smug about it?
October 19th, 2008 at 1:21 amPeople will write in silly names when they vote also. Run after that bs too mcchimpy repugs.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:22 amMy point being, that many things become possible when The Force of political control changes hands.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:23 amalcyone Says:
I was ask to show that there were 200,000 registrations in Ohio that didn’t match records, liberal. And I did just that. What is your problem with that?
October 19th, 2008 at 12:12 am
What records? The records they attempted to use for “comparison” were in no way related to voting records.
Why do you think the Court ruled against the Republican party in Ohio?
October 19th, 2008 at 1:29 amBarfly @90
October 19th, 2008 at 1:29 amYes, and that has me deeply concerned. Given how the repugs are currently running thier campaign.
liberal traitor Says:
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Trajan says:
Hey McMetal, plenty of dems voted to go into Iraq. 111 to be exact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
Do you not think this information is available, McMetal? Just because Diddldykos or Bowelmovement.org doesn’t inject the information up your butt with turkey baister doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
They say looking up information online is a good brain stimulant….you really should try it.
His point (sigh) was that the people who said the things you quoted did not vote for it (sigh). You really are just an intellectual black hole aren’t you? How did you become this obtuse…and smug about it?
October 19th, 2008 at 1:21 am
He really is pretty pathetic , isn’t he ?
October 19th, 2008 at 1:30 amI so admire Obama for hitting this ACORN issue head on.
Mukasey appointed a special prosecutor to look into the firing of States Attorneys because they refused to go along with prosecuting Acorn and others for “voter fraud” because there was no evidence. And now Obama is asking Mukasey to have her take on the COLLUSION (yes, Obama’s attorney did use the word “collusion”) between the McCain Campaign, the White House and the Justice Department to make ACORN an issue two weeks before the election to try to cloud the election. There’s a reason why there are rules that things like this are not brought up within 90 days of an election. The Justice Department is in violation of other rules by leaking the information that ACORN was being investigated.
I truly believe that Obama is right, this is collusion between the McCain campaign, the WH and the Justice Department and I admire Obama for fighting back.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:31 amBarfly, unless the next crop of Democrats, even with a Democratic President, grow a new set of balls, conservatives probably don’t have to fear a renewed call to bring back the Fairness Doctrice. IMHO, of course.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:31 amMCMetal Says:
He really is pretty pathetic , isn’t he ?
Yes, and it gets tedious trying to reason with it. I did it a couple of times then read most of the posts. Now I’m just reporting it for being a repetitive, serial idiot.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:32 amGame of Life Says:
repugs will stir up lies about anyone real or imagined. they will make up shyte to defray the other bs that’s going on. Like what they are doing in Iraq and then use the same lie for Iran.
You want to talk about registration fraud, GOP? Ok, let’s talk about this: “An employee of a private voter registration firm alleges that his bosses trashed registration forms filled out by Democratic voters because they only wanted to sign up Republican voters. …
And isn’t it interesting that this was NOT reported by the MSM? I wonder why not?
October 19th, 2008 at 1:34 amRandomChaos Says:
I think the Troll either passed out at the keyboard, or is on a Cheetos run
It’s more likely his mom made him go to bed.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:35 amBilbo,
October 19th, 2008 at 1:36 amDo you have a link regarding Obama’s involvment with pushing this forward? I am only asking, because your post is the first I heard. Forgive my ignorance.
ralph the wonder llama Says:
alcyone Says:
then take him the off the list, ralph.
Not up to me, Trajan. We all know that the smaller the voting block, the better it is for Republicans.
This is why during the primaries dems count voters’ votes and repug use percentages. It would make the repug party appear insignificant if they were to actually count voters’ votes and display the count on tv.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:39 amI just watched the most awesome thing, and I am sitting here with tears in my eyes:
A YouTube posted by the Obama campaign nearly one year ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmUUYo9o9eg
Watch it then go to bed with a smile on your face and a feeling of hope in your heart that we can make it happen.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:42 amRandomChaos Says:
Bilbo,
Do you have a link regarding Obama’s involvment with pushing this forward? I am only asking, because your post is the first I heard. Forgive my ignorance.
See if you can find the Countdown video from Friday. That’s where I heard about it.
Also, here’s a Bloomberg article about it:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=anlSbwVX9jJI&refer=home
October 19th, 2008 at 1:44 amhttp://punditnation.blogspot.com/2008/10/john-mccain-in-2006-acorn-helps-make.html McCain was FOR it before he was AGAINST it….what a shi#!!
October 19th, 2008 at 1:44 amAlcyone is on another tp link having it out with WaltTheMan last I knew and losing pitifully, of course, so that’s why you couldn’t find the troll for a while.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:49 amBilbo,
Thank you for both of those links.
One Voice.
One Nation.
Obama/Biden 08
Goodnight all
October 19th, 2008 at 1:50 amI did not think that they could use SS info for verification, alcyone. Good thing there are provisional ballots. Some of my child’s friends thought that they had registered at an event and then found out that they were not registered. Why, you may ask? Because they had registered as Democrats and some nasty GOP thug tossed ‘em out. There’s you damn voter fraud.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:53 amAlcyone I miss you like I’d miss a wart on Bush’s a$s
October 19th, 2008 at 1:54 am#alcyone Says:
and you have proof of that, loan voice?
Does you mommy know you are out of bed and back at the computer. You’re going to be in big trouble when she catches you.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:57 amOOPS Had a typo in 108–getting near as bad as alcyone, who by the way, I have the courtesy of addressing by the post name without demeaning it.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:57 amhttp://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/ Someone was looking for this interview from last night…Obama campaign’s attorney on Acorn issues…
October 19th, 2008 at 1:58 amYes I have proof—32 pissed off kids. Perhaps you will say that is a small number, but they do not feel that way.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:58 amOOps, my bad–my daughter is still up and she said it was 23 kids.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:00 amOh, it’s getting looked into, I assure you. They had their id with them, there was no reason for it not to be valid registration. I do not have to whine nor do I. I would state that speculation is more likely to be fact after the investigation is completed.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:04 am#alcyone Says:
Bilbo, I realize you are probably used to trying to talk to little boys on line, late at night, just the two of you, but I think I’m a little old for you.
If you have something intelligent to say, ok. otherwise, GTF out of my face.
The only place where I talk to little kids is all the trolls that hang out here. And why should I GTF out of your face. You are in everyone here’s face with your lame posts that contain zero facts and zero use of critical thinking. If you really are not a 12 year old, I suggest you find a critical thinking course at your local Junior College. You are sorely in need of some education in the ability to think critically.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:05 amThough it pains me deeply I must agree with alcyone that declaration of party affiliation would likely lead to less incidents of allegations of fraud.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:06 am“They can use divers license records”
I wonder how many Ohioans have a divers license? Scuba or deep-sea?
October 19th, 2008 at 2:07 amJane— roflao :D
October 19th, 2008 at 2:08 amThis whole thing has gotten out of hand, re-pukes will do anything to win because they can`t win on the issues so they make a mountain out of a mole hill.Acorn turned in the fraudulent apps which were just a few and the re-pukes started crying like a kid who needs his mommy.Why can`t the re-pukes win on the issues? Because they created this mess and don`t want to pay for their crimes!
October 19th, 2008 at 2:09 amMy main problem with the GOP candidates is the way that they use the words “liberal”, “Muslim”, and “Arab” as if they were slurs–it’s infantile and paints them as idiotic
October 19th, 2008 at 2:15 amNot all of the 200,000 were fraudulent, and ACORN flagged the ones that were. Therefore, they should not “throw the baby out with the bathwater”
October 19th, 2008 at 2:18 amThanks, Lone Voice. Although the troll could have meant divers as in sort of the old English form of ‘diverse’…
alcyone must be a robo-troll that doesn’t need sleep. But this human does, so I’ll say ‘goodnight’ to nearly all of you.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:18 amAh, reason at last, alcyone. I do believe there is hope for you yet :)
October 19th, 2008 at 2:22 amIs this along the lines of flag pins again? The “I’m more patriotic than you” thing is quite old now
October 19th, 2008 at 2:29 amI’m sorry alcyone, do you have spell check? I think it would help you when you type so fast.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:31 amWell, that’s a Rove thing, repeat the lie often enough so that people will start believing it
October 19th, 2008 at 2:33 amAh, yes, this is a political thing but you know that Rove is the mastermind. I also remember the 70’s, they were not that great either, but in my memory these are the worst of times, as generally agreed by most that these are the worst since the Depression, and among those I know personally it’s very bad. When McDonalds isn’t even hiring anymore you know it’s bad. Things must change, and the MP ticket will not part ways with the current administration’s very failed policies.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:45 amGood night and do try to be thoughtful when you make your choice on election day.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:46 amGood night–I will look for your posts later then, and I have stuff about that national security thing you know :)
October 19th, 2008 at 2:53 amAlyone,How is Mcwars more qualified in National Security than Obama?26 years in congress shows me nothing and i have been voting since 1977.The re-pukes have let National security lapse for the last 8 years, how is Mcwars more qualified? because he voted with the shrub 90 plus percent of the time.
October 19th, 2008 at 3:02 amWouldn’t it be easy enough for a few right wing Rove activists to infiltrate the ACORN registration process and plant quite a few fake voter registration forms?
Why ACORN? Why now?
¶ AIO
October 19th, 2008 at 4:17 amI knew Republicans were desperate, but the accusations against ACORN make me seriously worry about their IQs.
Do they really think that millions of Mickey Mouses (or dead people) are going to show up on election day and steal it for the Democrats? Could this be some neurological problem?
October 19th, 2008 at 5:31 amThere was supposed to be a lot of people voting with fake names in New Mexico in 2004, so Greg Palast asked for ALL the names so he could investigate. He was given SIX and all six turned out to be very legitimate voters. US attorney Iglesias was fired for not chasing a crime that did not exist.
The 200,000 in Ohio are not fraudulent—they are just not perfect matches, so they are rejected. Jane A. Doe is not a perfect match with Jane Doe. 1232 Alpine St. is not a perfect match with 1232 Alpine Ave., Steven is not a perfect match with Stephen, and so on.
We know about the false registrations made up by people who worked for ACORN because ACORN flagged them as fradulent. They never tried to hide anything as Republicans are implying.
October 19th, 2008 at 6:37 amThree months ago, Stephen Spoonamore, a top Republican data security expert, said there was fraud in the computer tabulation of votes in Ohio in 2004. It never made the MainStreamMedia. Not even as a question. Why not?
October 19th, 2008 at 6:59 am”“Just a few”??? There was a thread in here last night about VA records and everyone was crying and whining about how rotten that was…do you know how many records they were talking about? The story only listed about 11 or 12 from the entire VA system. We are talking 200,000 voter registration cards in Ohio alone and you use the term “just a few”?
-alcyone
The name on my birth certificate and my SS card do not match any of my other records including my driver’s license (Antony vs. Anthony), does this mean I shouldn’t be registered to vote because I wrote “Anthony” on my registration card and the state used my SS card with the spelling “Antony” to verify the info?
October 19th, 2008 at 7:41 am> They can use divers license records
> and Social Security records and there
> are 200,000 that do not match.
Riiight so basically if some of them minorities with names like SHanequeea and Leytoofa have their names mispelled by whoever entered thier SL or SS info into the computer (or the government worker forgot a hyphen or a retained maiden name),
in your deluded mind they shouldnt be able to easily vote.
Provisional ballots are much more time consuming to fill out AND they slow things down for EVERYONE in line…hence excessive provisional balloting has the potential to create long lines that would prevent more than just the provisional ballotee from voting. Yeah…
Those 200000 people were obviously asking for it by having names that are easily suspecible to clerical error..
What a coincidence that minorities with exotic names, who tend to vote dem might be much more likely to have a government worker mispell thier name in databases than say, someone like joe sixpack.
Thank god we know that the republicans dont have resources to cheat, like allies at voting companies like Diebold, and even if they did, we know they are too honest to compemplate electoral fraud. Honesty, its pretty much a republican thing.
Just ask people like Abramhoff and Abu “i forgot what color my urine is” gonzales. After all, upstanding republicans like donald rumseld “knew where the weapons were”..
Hey Mr. Phee, how much information did nancy pelosi see about saddams WMD program that didnt pass through the dick cheney/rumsfeld filter? Can you name it all? Did nancy see anything other than what the bush cronies allowed them to see?
And Clinton signing the Iraq Liberation Act? So what? You trying the classic “its ok that I did something incredibly stupid because this other guy talked about doing it” defense?
Anyone with any sense knows that Saddam was better than the Iranian fueled theocracy that Iraq is today. Saddam was brutal, sure, but peopel wern’t being killed for wearing shorts, not wearing burquas, or shaving thier beards, like they are in iraq these days..
Tell me..these royal welcomes that Iranian heads of state are currently receiving when they visit Iraq… Is that part of your definition of “victory”? Because if it is, wouldnt it have been better to just save our money and keep Iranian influence out of their oil-laden neighbors?
October 19th, 2008 at 7:42 amGOP is the party of Flim Flam. That and outright lies, smears, greed and an ongoing Freak Show. If we get rid of most of them, then the Dems can become the new right and a real left can contend for future power.
October 19th, 2008 at 8:05 amPaper ballots and the purple thumb…..if its good enough for Iraqis…..
October 19th, 2008 at 8:07 amMickey Mouse will endorse Obama later today. Yogi bear gave his endorsement months ago. Goofy is still undecided, he’s worried about his taxes.
October 19th, 2008 at 8:11 amThis is a referendum on modern “conservatism” and it ain’t pretty. When America votes–Republicans lose.
October 19th, 2008 at 8:40 amThis is an obvious ploy to set the stage, if/when McC(umst)ain fails to win, for GOPukes and their racist allies to REJECT Obama as legitimate…
he SCUM is much happier to tell the “VOTER FRAUD” story than the ‘ELECTION THEFT” one because the “VF” story has identifiable bad guys who AREN’T the same people who are paying you to TELL those stories…
October 19th, 2008 at 9:31 am#Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
Powell just endorsed Obama!!!!!
Game…..set……match
October 19th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Lemme see if I got this right:
A former GOP official who NEVER distinguished himself as a man of principle when he was in the Govt, and who lied to the Country and to the UN, ignored unfavorable intelligence, and helped lead the Country into the most disastrous military debacle in 40 years, now switches over to “our” side, and it’s suddenly Game-set-match for US? “We’re” supposed to be delighted by this information?
Explain this thing to me, please…
October 19th, 2008 at 9:35 amI know some will say it’s none of my business (I strongly disagree) but I would like to inform you all that this election is regarded as very important for the future of all the people on this globe. I (like 99.99999% of the Dutch) hope Obama will win, and that he will be able to include in his “change” the fear of progress that seems to cloud the capability to reason of many republicans.
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/the-dangerous-fantasy-of-acorn-and-vote-fraud/
October 19th, 2008 at 10:01 amRepublican dirty tricks and dirty tricksters? IOW — Infiltrate ACORN and work to discredit it from the inside by signing up Mickey Mouse…
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October 19th, 2008 at 10:09 amClusterTim:
October 19th, 2008 at 10:53 amDo you really want to know or were you just looking for an excuse to continue to endlessly do you best to make the Privacy Center more public?
Drop the case, Tracist, because you don’t have one. Americans are overwhelmingly coming out against the tactics of your party. If you want to be relegated to third-party status indefinitely, by all means keep the schtick alive. This is no longer libruls vs. conservatives, it’s the moderate conservatives roundly condemning your acts.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:38 amThe Right made the SAME claim against ACORN in 2004 in the last weeks of the campaign.
It had no staying power back then either. (But I DO remember it as a cover to distract of rampant voter disenfranchisement taking place in other states.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:25 pmYou may want to check your voter registration, as I had mine fall away after registering as declined to state. I sent a WTF note to the report a problem link at the bottom of the page and when I looked the next day, my registration was there, like it had always been.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:34 pmVoter Registration Info
If the submit button doesn’t highlight when it should, click anywhere on the page. It’s an odd bug, but at least it works.
Anchors aweigh!
Obama “get out the vote” campaign is a fraud is somehow unfair?
Get out the vote campaigns are not fraudulent. People who whine about such efforts simply don’t understand how necessary the grooming a new generation of voters really is, we don’t live forever and must pass democracy on to the next generation if it is to survive. Fraudulent, or otherwise erroneous applications, span the entire country — group affiliated or otherwise. Please prove that any fraudulent application by an ACORN staffer/volunteer materialized into a vote. Any intentional wrongdoing would violate not only the law, but ACORN’s mission.
Pointing out Obama poor lack of judgement when associating with Ayers is unfair?
Obama and Ayers were professors. One duty of a professor is civic engagement. If Obama can be singled out for poor judgment, what about the former Reagan affiliate who funded the organization and vetted Ayers for the job? Ayers didn’t serve on the post because he was an unconvicted terrorist, he served because he is an expert on education.
BTW it has nothing to do with Ayers being a terrorist who was responsible for murdering Americans and got off on a BS technicality
Illegal wiretapping is not a mere technicality. I don’t know of Ayers murdering Americans, post a credible link, please.
it has to do with the fact the that Obama loves to dis people like Wright when it’s political advantageous.
That is pure speculation on your part. Why would Obama rely on a random education professor and a pastor to launch his political campaign? Mr. Wright cared for Lyndon Johnson when he underwent surgery, but that’s hardly political capital Obama would love to raise.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:44 pmCNN, along with the rest of the corporate media, went right along with the Republican spin on the ACORN story for while. It’s about time somebody there finally did some fact-checking and reported that this is a major mountain being made out of a tiny innocent molehill.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:48 pmJeebus, Tracy5 is just as idiotic as Tracys 1 through 4.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:52 pmTracy__5 Says:
Obama trained ACORN workers?….perrish the thought.
October 19th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Yeah, because you know that he won’t train them point out the similarity between Obama’s name and Osama’s, or that his middle name is Hussein so he must be a terrorist, or that he’s pallin’ around with a “washed-up domestic terrorist”, or any of the things that McShame’s campaign people are training their ‘get-out-the-vote’ volunteers to tell possible voters.
Jeez you’re an asswipe, Tracy.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:39 pmWe must educate people about the difference between voter registration fraud and voter fraud
October 19th, 2008 at 6:39 pmTracy__5 Says:
Why do you bother? All your posts just read like BBAAAAAAAAA. You are such an ignorant sheeple. What association with Ayers. The fraud was comitted ON ACORN which was the victim get back to us when there is fraudlent voting. Of course you KNOW these things dumb as you are you are just compelled to regurgitate the things your Limborg masters have TOLD you to believe.
October 19th, 2008 at 7:55 pmGOP contractor voter registration fraud that Brad Friedman referred to on Fox News Sunday:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-me-fraud18-2008oct18,0,3505611.story
October 19th, 2008 at 10:49 pmThree months ago, Stephen Spoonamore, a top Republican data security expert, said there was fraud in the computer tabulation of votes in Ohio in 2004. It never made the MainStreamMedia. Not even as a question. Why not?
(forgot the link before): http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6189
Spoonamore: “There was an enormous number of strange activities in which Triad and the Rapp family were running around the state taking hard drives out of computers, putting in new hard drives, and posting poll results. And the reason all this was going on, I’m quite confident, was that the hard drives they were pulling out had fraudulent coding. Simple as that.”
October 19th, 2008 at 10:59 pmTracy– Ayers is NOT a murderer. Look up what he really did and quit it with the mindless droning.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:31 amthe Lone Voice of Reason Says:
The fact it is an outright LIE wont stop Tracy the moron from repeating it endlessly. He couldnt care less if its true or not. Its useful for propaganda purposes and a hivemind propaganda parrots gotta do what a propaganda parrots gotta do. Truth, facts, reality these dont come into play in ANY WAY.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:00 amThis arrest goes along with the story from my post # 145:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story
“The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario (California) over the weekend on suspicion of voter registration fraud.
State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that all signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California. His firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM, collects petition signatures and registers voters in California and other states.”
October 20th, 2008 at 2:23 amRFK Jr. and Greg Palast article in Rolling Stone:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/block_the_vote/print
“I don’t think the Democrats get it,” says John Boyd, a voting-rights attorney in Albuquerque who has taken on the Republican Party for impeding access to the ballot. “All these new rules and games are turning voting into an obstacle course that could flip the vote to the GOP in half a dozen states.”
October 20th, 2008 at 3:08 amI expect our new Attorney General to investigate the criminal activities of the Republicans, which are massive.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:58 amThe real story is the fact that the GOP is employing voter suppression tactics all across the country. This, of course, the media ignores.
October 20th, 2008 at 10:16 amTracy__5 Says:
Of COURSE he wasnt trying to kill people. If they WANTED to kill people with their bombs all they had to do was NOT tell them the bombs were there. They notified every target so that no one would be killed. You have to make extra effort to assure no one dies when you set bombs or people die. That includes the Pentagon
October 20th, 2008 at 3:38 pmThe bottom line is it is an outright lie to call Ayers a murderer and you really dont care as long as it pushes your propaganda. The facts dont make your point so you lie.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:41 pmTracy__5 Says:
#142
“…or any of the things that McShame’s campaign people are training their ‘get-out-the-vote’ volunteers to tell possible voters.”
Present some evidence that McCain volunteers are telling potential voters “Obama’s name and Osama’s, or that his middle name is Hussein so he must be a terrorist”.
you have no room to talk with your BS accusations about McCain volunteers.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Here you go, dumbass: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1849422,00.html
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