McCain: Obama Campaign Has ‘Savaged’ Joe The Plumber
McCain: Obama Campaign Has ‘Savaged’ Joe The Plumber
Today on Fox News Sunday, McCain said that “Joe the Plumber” was just “the average citizen” asking Obama a question, and he had the right to an answer. (Apparently Obama’s six-minute exchange with Joe was not extensive enough for McCain.) Continuing to hitch his campaign to Joe, McCain claimed the Obama campaign was “savaging” the Ohio citizen. Watch it:
Of course, when an average citizen asked Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) a question about Pakistan just weeks ago, McCain decried it as someone engaging in “gotcha journalism,” and said the question was merely a “gotcha soundbite.”
The idea that Obama has been “savaging” Joe is ludicrous. It was McCain who brought up Joe the Plumber — 21 times — in the final presidential debate. In fact, Joe himself said after the debate, “To be honest with you, I’m sure Obama didn’t want my name mentioned. … I wish they had talked about, you know, more important issues.”
What’s more, McCain continues to insist that Joe would face a tax hike under Obama’s plan. The truth is that Joe the Plumber — as he himself finally admitted — would see his taxes cut. As the New York Times noted, “neither his personal taxes nor those of the business where he works are likely to rise if Mr. Obama’s tax plan were to go into effect.”
McCain cited Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) as someone who had “savaged” Joe. Biden merely pointed out that he didn’t know many plumbers who made $250,000 per year — a fair statement, considering that fewer than two percent of Americans make $250,000 or more.
Apparently to McCain, when a presidential candidate engages a voter in a 6-minute dialogue and when the media factchecks a claim about tax policy, that constitutes “savaging” a voter.
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the mccain hypocrisy is un-freakin-believable! hey a$$hole, why dont you try vetting your plants.
jesus man!
October 19th, 2008 at 10:51 amOn ABC’s “This Week” today, Newt Gingrich both repeated the claim that Joe had been “savaged by the elite media.”
Is this TP’s way of saying Newt’s two-faced?
October 19th, 2008 at 10:59 amYes, yes..
Let us all pity that poor guy who ran up to seize his moment of Freeper Fame by playing “gotcha” with Obama on National TV…
Poor guy…
October 19th, 2008 at 11:00 amIf you call finding out the truth about a man thrust into the spotlight as the face of McCain’s economic attacks by McCain himself and his campaign “savage.”
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/
October 19th, 2008 at 11:00 amAttack, attack, attack…
(slap back from the attacked)
BULLIES!
October 19th, 2008 at 11:03 amIt can be problematic floating a narrative with holes in it.
Sarah Palin-sinking fast
Joe the Plumber-floats like a basin wrench
October 19th, 2008 at 11:03 amPerhaps Joe should have been honest in the first place, and then he wouldn’t have faced the same scrutiny that everyone in the public forum now gets from those of us here in the ‘blogosphere’. The media is asleep at the wheel, so someone has to do their job for them. And it’s not like calling us ‘liberal’ as a perjorative is going to stop us from finding the truth.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:05 amWhat? ANOTHER ethics lecture from Newt Gingrich?
October 19th, 2008 at 11:06 amJoe has been savaged?!
October 19th, 2008 at 11:07 amHe was a deceptive fame-seeker, or a plant. Easy and quick investigation proved that to be true.
It’s sad and stupid state of affairs to realize that asking questions to verify the veracity of assertions and claims is now referred to as “savaging.”
ClusterTim,
October 19th, 2008 at 11:08 amYou missed one. Please tell me about the Privacy Center ASAP.
Thanks
Translation: Bad! Bad media! No barbecue! Bad!
October 19th, 2008 at 11:11 amAre these not the same people who after went after 12 year old Graham Frost when he spoke about SCHIP?
Or how about Bill O’Rielly when he went after Shawn Hornbeck who had been kidnapped and molested for years? I am tired of the Right’s fake outrage.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:11 amIs he talking about the “Joe” named Sam? “Joe” the plant? “Joe” the shill? “Joe” the liar? “Joe” the fraud?
October 19th, 2008 at 11:11 amAnd how in Hell do they get off condemning the truth as “savaging”?
October 19th, 2008 at 11:13 amOh yeah superk, I’d forgotten about those.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:13 amJoe is spewing the last stale Rush Limbaugh lines about redistribution of wealth, socialism, and rugged individualism.
I know what you’re saying, Joe. I used to be there. I used to think taxes were punishment and that everything would be fine if we were all responsible for no one but ourselves.
And then I figured out that I live in a community (actually several nested communites), where my life is inextricably entwined with those of my neighbors, the ones I like and the ones I don’t.
http://madvilletimes.blogspot.com/2008/10/selfishness-of-joe-wurzelbacher-plumber.html?showComment=1224190980000
October 19th, 2008 at 11:14 amThis is without a doubt the whiniest Republican ticket I have ever seen. Uncle McNutzi started this by wasting his last debate opportunity babbling incoherently about some guy his campaign read about on Drudge. Then Joe the freaking plumber(’s helper) gave voluntary interviews to every media outlet that asked. The fact that McPalin didn’t vet the guy and he turned out to be a little nutty is not the fault of the press or Obama. Stop whining about yet another bizarre strategy not working out.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:15 amThe nation weeps for both John and Joe. It’s just so
tragic to be caught in a lie, and called on your bullsh*t.
poor, poor, John McCain.
and, uh… Joe the Plumber too! It’s not his fault he’s not a plumber, doesn’t have the 250 large and would actually do better under Obama’s plan. Hell, it’s not his fault his name is Steve, or Scott or something, and registered as a Republican.
sigh… what to do….?
You’re just going to have to hug this one out, b*tches!!!
October 19th, 2008 at 11:17 amwhoopie!
“Joe the whatever he is” is a Limbaugh, Hannity and FOX “News” dittohead. Even though voting for Democrats would be in his best economic interests, he’s frightened that Democrats will take his imaginary wealth.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:19 amMcCain’s just pissed off because Joe the Plumber(’s mate) was going to be his Secretary of Labor.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:21 amMcCain worries about all the small business owners but he couldn’t be bothered finding one of them to shill for him. That’s because a true owner would know that chances of netting $250k are just about impossible. And that McCain’s health insurance plan is what will really cost us money.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:21 amJoe and Johnny, what a couple of spineless cry babies. It is embarrassing to listen to this whining. It really is.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:22 amOT.
Michele “Psycho Shelly” Bachmann was just on local news and claimed that her “anti-American” scree was “misreported”!
October 19th, 2008 at 11:24 amMcCain’s trying to take a page from the Nixon playbook: expose an elite (or an elitism), who is attacking a regular-joe’s honor/background/religion/income, and act the victim, when the inevitable counter-punch is thrown.
Tricky was much more adept at it. He could get them to swing at him, by using proxies to push the message, and keep his prints off it.
I’m surprised Graham and Leiberman aren’t out there, making the case for him.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:25 amOctober 19th, 2008 at 11:26 am
That’s a good one Pete. Bachmann is just misunderstood. Yeah, that’s the ticket. I have to go donate to the other guy now.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:26 amHow pathetic is it to hitch your electoral-chances wagon to fictitious plumber in Ohio? The McOopsie campaign has to be the most incredibly piss-poor campaign in the history of American Politics. Is he being intentionally sabotaged from within?
October 19th, 2008 at 11:27 ampete:
October 19th, 2008 at 11:30 amOT but I just that a Gervais Beaked Whale recently beached near my childhooh haunts. It died before it could be successfully returned to the water. Despite the unfortunate ending that would be one hell of a critter for a life list
best-
i found this last night:
amazing…
“You know, when you can’t ask a question of your leaders anymore, that gets scary,” he said.
what the hell does THAT mean???
‘Joe the Plumber’ strikes back at media
October 19th, 2008 at 11:30 amhttp://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5go9HC93wTPI-EOPgUDzCdXBjG8pwD93TAT0O0
Iolair Says: The Democratic Party should counter the “spread-the-wealth” line with “invest in Americans.”
Absolutely. After all, a society is only as strong as its weaket links.
No matter how great your health insurance coverage, if your entire community is dying from the bubonic plague, then evntually, so will you.
We buy more as a community than any rich individual ever could afford on his own.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:31 amplease insert the word “heard” or “learned” or something between “just” and “that”
October 19th, 2008 at 11:31 amExit Stage Left:
October 19th, 2008 at 11:33 amI don’t know, for me it is still a toss up between the stumbling about in the dark campaign of McCain and the campaign from beyond the grave of Bob Dole.
I am so SICK of hearing about “Joe the Plumber!” Again, we have allowed how many days of what SHOULD have been discussion about serious campaign issues (like the economy) and instead are arguing about…JOE THE PLUMBER????? Karl Rove, I am sure, is reporting mission accomplished.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:37 amJoe is whining that he’s being picked on-”I’m just a plumber”. That pi$$es me off more than the fact McLame tried to use this idiot to bolster his campaign. Although I no longer make a living at the trade, I am very proud to have spent a long and arduous 5 years serving a plumbing apprenticeship and achieved journeyman status. No Joe…you are not a plumber and should be arrested for illegally installing plumbing. Next is from a few days ago but deserves repeating. (Although I know it’s not really the point of this forum.) BTW- I don’t know any real plumbers supporting McLame.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:43 am
And the beat goes on Says: I am so SICK of hearing about “Joe the Plumber!” Again, we have allowed how many days of what SHOULD have been discussion about serious campaign issues (like the economy)
Indirectly Joe has been responsible for exactly that – pointing out how Obama’s economic policies will be better for middle-class America, and how the only 2% of Americans making $250,000 will pay only a tiny bit more.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:46 amIf you saw the clip where this fake plumber confronted Obama, it is clear, he had nothing in mind except to be a menacing, intimidating presence.
I will grant him that right and I think Obama handled the initial confrontation well.
It was all a set-up from the get-go. He is not a licenced plumber. He is not in the yellow pages. He does not earn more than 250,000 dollars per year – at least not according to available information.
When they tried to have “joe the plumber” rallies in OH – only 5 morons showed up.
They are responsible for this failed campaign strategy and in typical repug fashion, they are blaming it on someone else.
Just like they blame their failed wars, the economy, the dysfunctional healthcare system, and the financial melt-down on everything but their own policies and 8 years of dur chimpfurher.
For the party that constantly talks “personal responsibility” to constantly deny any responsibility is laughable on its face.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:49 amAnother point that Gingrich made, was that Obama would, of necessity, scale back his plans for tax cuts and raises. His reasoning: the wealthy would only move their money off-shore.
Except, if Obama were to eliminate SSI’s income cap, they would have no choice but to contribute on every dollar earned in the country. There is no way they can shelter income, or defer taxes. In this way, the wealthy, who have been getting in essence a free ride all these years, would be encouraged to show more interest in how those funds were used.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:52 amdbadass:
Dang! I miss the ocean, though I won’t do California again. There was recently a neat article on beaked whale research, I think it was from Reuters(?). Fascinating creatures. I’ll take a look through my history when I can give it my full attention.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:57 amMcwars is crying the blues,WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH….
October 19th, 2008 at 11:58 amI can`t wait till Nov 5th.
pete if you find it I would be interested. I do have a suprisingly long cetacean life list but it doesn’t include any of the beaked whales
October 19th, 2008 at 12:00 pmGuido the Loving OBGYN Says:
Obama needs to hire Joe the Plumber. …
i think joe ought to take mcFUNNY up on his joke from the other night, and be cindy’s official plumber…
October 19th, 2008 at 12:02 pmAnd the beat goes on Says:
I am so SICK of hearing about “Joe the Plumber!” Again, we have allowed how many days of what SHOULD have been discussion about serious campaign issues (like the economy) and instead are arguing about…JOE THE PLUMBER????? Karl Rove, I am sure, is reporting mission accomplished.
well, Joe The Plumber highlights Obama’s economic plans, McCain’s incompetence and desperation and the GOP’s policy and rhetorical weaknesses.
This is the end-game. Keeping it simple at this point may well be best. I’m sure if we both posted a list of issues we’d like to have addressed in the public discourse–Iraq, DOJ, GITMO , Defense Spending, the SCOTUS, Energy, Education, Infrastructure, the Environment, Climate Change, HAVA, Ekection Reform, Domestic SPying, War Crimes, Contractors, Church and State, Gay Rights, Abortion, Health Care, everything really… all related and all important, so in the final 2-1/2 do we discuss all those and try to settle (as it were) all those issues in that time?
I suppose we could do that here, but the MSM is a simple beast and they will keep it simple. So I don’t know…is sort-of “is what it is” at the moment.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:03 pmAwesome post, Mycelium.
I might add that, in addition to sanitation issues, an ill-trained plumber can also screw up gas lines or electrical wiring. Add that to the obvious issues with leaks and an ill-trained plumber can destroy one’s home or even kill you.
An old acquaintance of mine thought he could install a new water heater, it blew up and he was lucky to escape with minor injuries.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pmI still say that “Joe the Plumber” was a set-up. This guy is well known to a local conservative talk show host. I’m betting that the talk show host, when he found out that Obama was going to be in Joe’s neighborhood, called him and asked him to try to find Obama and ask that particular question. I’m also betting that that host arranged to have the camera there to get the encounter on tape, hoping they would get something that would embarrass Obama. McNasty keeps saying that Obama went to his home. That is a lie. Joe found Obama several blocks away from where he lived. And he had to lie about himself to make the question he asked plausible.
I’m betting that Joe is sorry he allowed them to talk him into it now that he has been proven to be a liar, tax cheat and unlicensed at the trade he is in. I say “too bad so sad”, he should have known better.
And the fact that McNasty and Palin are still using “Joe the Plumber” in their stump speeches, after McNasty apologized to Joe on Leno for exposing him to the press, speaks volumes about what a soulless person McNasty is.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:12 pmdbadass:
I’ll track it down for you, probably this evening. My own list of cetaceans is rather short. Gray whales, pilot whales, orca and pseudorca(?), and harbor porpoises.
I did have the opportunity to go on a whale watching excursion guided by the late, great, Ted Walker. We even happened upon a pair of “courting” grays on the way back to port. Unfortunately we were all out of film because we had already seen so many, plus pilot whales and porpoises. Doc Walker nearly pitched a fit because at that time, 1971, no one had ever filmed the mating behavior of grays.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:14 pmIolair Says: The Democratic Party should counter the “spread-the-wealth” line with “invest in Americans.”
Well said! That’s not just good political advice, it’s also good policy.
“Spread the Wealth” might appear to have an appeal to those who don’t have “wealth” BUT as it is rather predicated on income taxes it also suggests that the less wealthy have to give up some of their “wealth” for the greater good at a time when they need alll the wealth they can muster.
I’ve always held that when tax revenues are managed for the public benefit then taxes ( up to a point) are a great thing. Managed for the benefit of a few they are a bad thing! It;s how the taxes revenues are used that matters, not the fact of taxation itself.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:15 pmThere aint no outrage like republican sham-outrage. In bushworld, uncovering truth is “savaging” someone’s reputation.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:15 pmYou mean the guy who’s a plumber who doesn’t have a plumbing license, complaining about the the taxes he doesn’t pay?
Please.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:17 pmHere it is db. Amazing how well Google works, if one spells correctly.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7651581.stm
October 19th, 2008 at 12:18 pmPete, you oughta come up to Washington. On my last fishing trip in La Push, we say four grays migrating late in the morning.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:19 pmpete Says:
OT.
Michele “Psycho Shelly” Bachmann was just on local news and claimed that her “anti-American” scree was “misreported”!
How could it be “mis-reported”, it’s all on tape for anyone to view. She realizes now that she made a very big mistake and she is trying to backtrack. That woman has zero impulse control.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:20 pmthanks for that pete. I don’t want to tie this place up with off topic marine mammal talk but that is all cool stuff. I have spent way too much time in my life with these animals but it has been worth it. Where’d you get the false killer whales? My gray whale experience was out of control but that is a whole other story. Let’s just say that I am glad that I am not rotting in a Mexican jail cell somewhere
October 19th, 2008 at 12:20 pmIIRC, Fox news Sunday also brought up “Joe” being “savaged by the elite media”, though didn’t seem to think it was particularly significant.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:21 pmI think Joe was doing a little grandstanding when he confronted Obama, and by now he must regret it. I’ll bet he’d rather be unclogging toilets than dealing with the media.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:23 pm5th Estate Says:
And the beat goes on Says:
I am so SICK of hearing about “Joe the Plumber!” Again, we have allowed how many days of what SHOULD have been discussion about serious campaign issues (like the economy) and instead are arguing about…JOE THE PLUMBER????? Karl Rove, I am sure, is reporting mission accomplished.
This is all by design with the Republicalns. They have nothing to talk about as far as the issues are concerned so they have to manufacture false outrage to divert the public attention from the fact that they have nothing to say about the issues. It’s just another version of “look over there, there’s a shiny thing there”.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:24 pmJoe the Faux Plumber, now there’s one asscrack that wishes he’d never bent over and popped off…
October 19th, 2008 at 12:25 pmSo Obama has the MSM in his hip pocket,yeah right!Mcwars can`t talk on the issues and have competent rhetoric on it so he keeps up the negativity and looks the FOOLISH old man that he is.This is the MSM doing it`s job and he don`t like it.I guess he should have vetted “Joe” before he took on his cause.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:26 pmThe thing that convinces me that Joe was a plant is the fact that he asked a question that required him lying about himself to get an answer. But, since there isn’t anything about Joe’s life that wouldn’t improve under Obama, I guess he had to lie to get an answer that could be used against Obama.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:27 pmbarfly Says:
Another point that Gingrich made, was that Obama would, of necessity, scale back his plans for tax cuts and raises. His reasoning: the wealthy would only move their money off-shore.
And Ginrich didn’t see anything wrong with that? The wealthy already move their money off-shore and a significant number of them pay zero income taxes through various loopholes in the tax codes. Hopefully Obama will close those holes and set up something that will make it very expensive for the wealthy to move their money off-shore.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:32 pmBilbo:
I try not to think about how and why Psycho Shelly does/says things. It makes me feel dirty. But, I am encouraged that her extremism is at least being mentioned in the local media. She has powerful backers who, until now, have kept her insanity under the radar.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:33 pmHere’s what “Joe the Plumber” said on Mike Huckabee’s Fox show:
“You know, when you can’t ask a question of your leaders anymore, that gets scary,” he said.
It only got scary because he agreed to allow himself to be used by the McCain campaign. If they hadn’t used him, no one would have every known who “Joe the Plumber” really is. He has no one to blame but himself. Naturally Huckabee didn’t point that out to him.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:39 pmmycelium and Pete….
I’ve 15 years experience in the custom renovation biz ( as a cabinetmaker) and thus worked with many trades. Plumbing is a dirty and taxing job. Aspects of it look simple enough but to be a licensed plumber is to be an engineer. Ive done some ’serious’ plumbing myself from having observed professionals, but for the final connections ( and to satisfy inspections and the CO) I’ve always had a licensed plumber make the final connections (and add the traps and vents I suspected might be needed but didn;t know where to place). 4 hours work on the professional’s plumbers part at $150 was money well spent for the necessary expertise.
So called “manual” trades are vastly undervalued in this predominantly service society.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:40 pmDbadass:
You’re welcome and the false killer whales were off the coast of San Diego during an albacore fishing trip. And I’ve been pretty relieved to cross the boarder myself!
And, on that note, I’ll let the discussion get back on topic. Gotta run.
October 19th, 2008 at 12:41 pmWhat is the space you’re living in if you think someone revealing facts is “savaging” somebody? Gingrich’s life is a tapestry of lies, unraveling a thread at a time. Same with Bachman. Now she claims her rant on Hardball was “misreported”, when millions saw her McCarthy impression on live television.
“Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?”
October 19th, 2008 at 12:43 pm–Republicans
Wow. No wonder Republicans want to suppress the vote.
They really despise voters!
October 19th, 2008 at 12:55 pmpete Says:
OT.
Michele “Psycho Shelly” Bachmann was just on local news and claimed that her “anti-American” scree was “misreported”!
October 19th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Too late, we all saw it! And Tweety gave her chance after chance to dig herself out of that hole.
Bye crazy woman…
October 19th, 2008 at 12:56 pmyeah yeah black is white blah blah blah.
No one “savaged” Joe the plumber, but the depths of the Republican misinformation were plumbed and exposed…once again. Oh, how vicious truth is.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:01 pmAnd the mclame campaign is using “joe the plumber” like a cheap whore. in the words of dic khead cheney, “so”?
October 19th, 2008 at 1:02 pmOh poor little Joe the Plumber. How dare Obama savage him like that. What a meanie. Shall we call the wahmbulance?
Slink back into whatever corner of unlicensed plumbery you came from, and go cast your vote for John McCain, against your own interests.
Why should be expected to care even a little bit more about what this guy thinks, than millions of other voters, anyway?
October 19th, 2008 at 1:14 pmThis is getting old who cares about Joe the Plummer or Joe the bartender what ever. We have serious problems and we need a serious President to handle it.
October 19th, 2008 at 1:26 pmI guess you shoudn’t have pimped him out then, John McCain.
Since when is “the truth” equal to “a savaging”? -oh, that’s right, we’re talking about republicans here.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pmThanks Pete-5th Estate.
In addition to my last post- I have many friends whom became plumbing contractors. Not one of them nets anywhere near $250k.
Sorry but I have to rant a little…
The only reason any skilled tradesman I’ve ever known supported the GOP is primarily because the NRA was extremely successful in convincing them that the dems were going to take their hunting rifles from them. That coupled with gay issues dems seem to champion…nothing against gays…but the issue makes many uncomfortable and that’s why Rove et al use it. The phony GOP “values” such as “God and Country” has won many over too. This comes from the experience of having worked with literally thousands of tradesmen since Reagan.
A little about unions. My comments relate to my experience, which lies solely with Building Tradesmen. (Plumbers/piping trades, Ironworkers, Electricians, Boilermakers, etc.) You know…the people who at least used to build America…whom suffer when factories are built overseas and plants close here. Say what you want about unions but they (did) provide “checks and balances” to corporate America. The powers that be have successfully demonized unions to the point where they are nearly irrelevant. When was the last time you heard a positive story about unions? But the truth is- if you are “Joe six-pack” and not a union member you probably don’t have health insurance worth having and you surely do not have a pension plan for retirement. (It’s obvious 401k’s cant be trusted.) Once upon a time non-union labor benefited immensely from strong unions because employers had to offer benefits to retain labor…once upon a time. IMHO, Organized labor is a key to revitalizing America. (Want a positive story about unions? Check out the UA’s (plumbers,pipefitters,sprinklerfitters) Helmets to Hardhats program offered to returning veterans.)
One of my attractions to TP many years ago is that it is/was a Progressive web site. (I’ve been around since before Ryan Neat used to spank MA all over these forums if anyone else has been around that long.) Hate is too kind a word for my feelings of BushCo but I have no love for the Democratic party either. Hard to argue that the dems were more than complacent in selling the working man down the road. The Clinton administration embraced the GOP initiated NAFTA as if it were its own. That was the beginning of the end of middle class America. (GATT and others provided additional daggers.)
I have always voted democrat but I must admit the vote was probably more anti-republican. The only time unions hear from democrats is election time when they pay lip service to what they’re going to do for the “working man”. Then they consistently vote to sell union interests down the road. I’m not sure “Steve the Steamfitter” really has a party. Which leads to why I support Obama.
I’ve had enough of the political status quo. Enough of the Bushes and the Clintons for that matter. I can only hope Obama represents the change I’m personally looking for. I hope the drive towards energy independence and new technologies produced domestically are sincere. Manufacturing is the key to real wealth for everyone- we’re seeing psudo-wealth explode before our very eyes. Americas crumbling infrastructure needs to be addressed also. After all- who builds America? It’s time for Made in America to mean something again. Baring “shenanigans” Obama will win this election. I’ll be patient because I understand change doesn’t happen overnight… but I hope he doesn’t let me down.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:43 pm“Joe the plumber” is being “savaged”? You mean the same “Joe the plumber” who admitted that he would benefit from Obama’s tax plan? Say it ain’t so, Joe. Say it ain’t so.
October 19th, 2008 at 2:59 pm.
So the McPalin Campaign whored Joe the plumber around and then decries, how dare the media and Obama for noticing?
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October 19th, 2008 at 4:53 pmIn Ohio Swing, McCain Again Hails ‘Joe the Plumber’
Washington Post – 4 hours ago
By Michael Abramowitz WESTERVILLE, Ohio — Barack Obama may have Colin Powell in his corner, but John McCain still has Joe the Plumber.
ah hahahahaha!
October 19th, 2008 at 7:30 pmMcCain is like Bush in one more aspect, every seemingly cleaver thing he does, such as creating a “Joe Plumber”, turns to shit.
It is McCain who savaged “Joe Plumber” just as he did Paling; these people are the creation of a failed McCain attempt to promote his popularity – ain’t workin John.
October 19th, 2008 at 8:04 pmInteresting that McCain blames Obama for exposing Joe the Plummer’s tax and license problems when Joe the Plummer is himself blaming the media for digging into his past. Of course, the only reason the media had an interest was because McCain injected Joe the Plummer into the last debate 21 different times. McCain has only himself to blame for for Joe being exposed for his far right activism (refusing to pay his taxes and refusing to get a plummers license from the State).
October 20th, 2008 at 12:09 amI know this thread is probably dead but this is hilarious! Sounds like Joe’s gonna get his a$$ kicked to boot! I know some folks from Local 50 and they’re about as tough and willing to dole out an a$$-kickin’ as you can get. They ain’t gonna like what Joe pulled…
http://www.counterpunch.org/macaray10172008.html
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