GOP operative arrested for voter fraud in California.
GOP operative arrested for voter fraud in California.
Over the weekend, police and state investigators arrested the “owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year…on suspicion of voter registration fraud.” Voters charge that Mark Jacoby duped them into joining the California Republican Party by making them believe they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molestors. Watch MSNBC’s report:
TPMmuckraker’s Zachary Roth notes, “Ironic that, for all the GOP-generated sturm und drang over ACORN in the last few weeks, it looks like it’s in fact a Republican firm against whom there’s actual evidence of systemic fraud.”
Transcript:
TAMRON HALL: Here’s what we’re watching right now. Dozens of newly minted Republican voters in California say they were duped into joining the GOP. Reportedly, the California Republican Party hired a firm to register new voters, but some voters actually thought they were signing petitions for tougher penalties against child molesters. They did not know, they say, that they actually were becoming Republicans.
And joining us is former prosecutor and MSNBC legal analyst is Susan Filan. So Susan, this firm, Mark Jacoby, this guy was arrested and he’s been released on bail. This is a lot about bait and switch.
SUSAN FILAN: Yeah, it’s a real problem, Tamron, though, because your constitutional right to vote in this country is one of your most sacred and fundamental rights. We’re a democracy, that means that the people who govern, who lead us, are elected by us. If our ability to vote and to choose is interfered with, our democracy is at stake.
And what’s happened here in this California charge is that this person supposedly, allegedly, because he’s innocent until proven guilty, told people they were signing a petition but that they had to become a Republican to do it, and switch their parties in some cases. In other cases, he didn’t even tell them that he was in fact switching their party. They thought they were signing a petition, and their party got switched. What’s going to happen to them on voting day when they go to register as their Democratic vote that they thought they were registering, they’re not going to be on the right poll. They’re not going to get to vote.
HALL: What kind of time does this guy face if he’s convicted and found guilty of this?
FILAN: Well, these are felony charges. I mean, it’s not likely that he’s going to get incarcerated first time around. But the fact that he’s gotten prosecuted I think is right because even though people say it’s politically motivated, it’s not. It’s a dereliction in duty of the public officials if they didn’t charge him.
HALL: Alright, Susan, good to talk to you. Thank you very much.
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Uh….Republican…..duh.
“as in pirates of carribean” when he is told he cheated, Capt. Jack replies, “Pirate”
October 20th, 2008 at 3:25 pmdems arrested on voter fraud = 0
repubs arrested on voter fraud = 1
mccain? we’re waiting…. lol
October 20th, 2008 at 3:27 pmOWNED
October 20th, 2008 at 3:28 pmHow do you spell schadenfreude again?
October 20th, 2008 at 3:29 pm“…but some voters actually thought they were signing petitions for tougher penalties against child molesters. They did not know, they say, that they actually were becoming Republicans.”
That’s too easy! Much too easy!
October 20th, 2008 at 3:29 pmmmmmm… just deserts… more, please.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:29 pmFan of Man,
October 20th, 2008 at 3:30 pmDon’t hold your breath. The criminal was a Dem plant Dontcha know! *wink**wink*
Clearly, John McCain needs to clearly state his relationship with this shady, fradulent group, and any refusal to is complicity.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:30 pmSurprise, surprise the chickens have come home to roost. that would explain why they were screaming so loud about the preceived threat from A.C.O.R.N.- another sleight of hand in an effort to divert the public’s attention from the sleazy crap waahhhhhhpublicans are up to.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:30 pmWow as ACORN are getting death threats, Roth is right the firm the Republicans hired were the real criminals. California acted quickly as the Govenment agents drag their feet on criminal actions by Republicans like the fixed voting machines in Ohio.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:30 pmOh, dear.
How very inconvenient!
October 20th, 2008 at 3:31 pmHHHmmmmmmm….from where I’m from here in Connecticut,an arrest beats an allegation any day.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:32 pmWhat’s going to happen to them on voting day when they go to register as their Democratic vote that they thought they were registering, they’re not going to be on the right poll. They’re not going to get to vote.
i thought party affiliation was only noted in the primary election.
not familiar with california’s rules though…
October 20th, 2008 at 3:32 pm“GOP operative arrested for voter fraud in California.” Only in United Snakes of America: Land of the thieves. Home of the slaves. Glad that the state of California took action quick and nab Jacoby. GOP are getting really desperate. It’s hard out there for the GOP pimps.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:36 pmLittle slow on the uptake, aren’t you TP? I posted this info and a link to the story 5 hours ago on the ThinkFast thread.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:38 pmOn the other hand, Susan Filan isn’t the brightest bulb either (she’s a lawyer?).
What’s going to happen to them on voting day when they go to register as their Democratic vote that they thought they were registering, they’re not going to be on the right poll. They’re not going to get to vote.
Since it’s a general election, of course they will be allowed to vote for their candidate of choice of either party. If it were a primary, another story of course.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:43 pmGreat news! the only way to stop the Wingnuts from stealing another election is to arrest them and make them PAY for their crimes.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:45 pmCalifornia Secretary of State Debra Bowen has been a champion for election reform!
http://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK+Library+and+Museum/Kennedy+Library+Foundation/Newsletter/2008/Summer+2008/Election+Integrity+Spotlighted+at+JFK+Profile+in+Courage+Awards.htm
What’s going to happen to them on voting day when they go to register as their Democratic vote that they thought they were registering, they’re not going to be on the right poll. They’re not going to get to vote.
i thought party affiliation was only noted in the primary election.
not familiar with california’s rules though…
Katy — California law has nothing to do with a general national election.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:46 pmWhat’s going to happen to them on voting day when they go to register as their Democratic vote that they thought they were registering, they’re not going to be on the right poll. They’re not going to get to vote.
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Susan Filan either didn’t communicate very clearly or she’s dead wrong. The next election will be a general election and every registered voter gets the same ballot regardless of party.
Since Filan is a legal an*lyst for MSNBC, I assume she knows perfectly well that being registered as a Republican won’t make any difference for a general election. I think what she meant is that next time there’s a PRIMARY election, any Democrat who has been switched to a Republican without their knowledge may be in for a rude surprise when they get handed a GOP ballot at the polls. But this is a scenario that won’t happen for awhile. Hopefully, word will get out and people will get their party registration fixed before that time comes.
Still, this is an underhanded trick by the GOP and cannot be condoned. Especially since they are all squealing like wounded animals over all the ACORN “fraud” that exists only in their minds.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:46 pmMeanwhile… the Republicans who signed were duped into thinking they were signing a petition that was pro-child molester. Everyone’s pissed.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:46 pmRemember, this group was hired by the Sacramento GOP who was forced to take down all the racist slogans and bumper stickers they were promoting on their website last week.
And the founder of the group was arrested because he himself filled out a fraudulent voter reg using his childhood address because he needed a CA address to engage in the registration drive.
OOPS! Gotta suck to be a ‘pub these days!
PEACE
October 20th, 2008 at 3:47 pmThe real mystery here, to me, is why they would have fooled people into registering as Republicans since it has zero effect on the general election.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:48 pmVoters charge that Mark Jacoby duped them into joining the California Republican Party by making them believe they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molestors.
I don’t get it. Why was he trying to make them believe they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against Republicans?
October 20th, 2008 at 3:50 pmWAKE UP America!
McCain-Palin are LIARS, HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS.
McCain-Palin are LIARS, HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS.
McCain-Palin are LIARS, HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS.
McCain-Palin are LIARS, HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS.
McCain-Palin are LIARS, HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS.
McCain-Palin are LIARS, HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:51 pm#19 – misshusseinmolly Says:
You are correct. And there will be no more primaries for two more years. It really makes no sense that they would “fool” people into registering Republican. Unless they are counting on few people to look at their voter registration cards when they come in the mail. I suppose that’s certainly possible….again, counting on people to be dumb.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:52 pmOMG What will these GOP thugs try next?!
October 20th, 2008 at 3:53 pmConservatives just don’t have any good facts on their side.
Old man McCain and stupid hick Lindsey Graham are gasping today. Lot’s of vile crap being spewed. Their continued pivot includes trashing feminists. What a baaad term, it must be because sinking con-nuts say so.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:53 pmI believe that this exemplifies the problem Republicans have with projection, the tendency to ascribe in others the things you hate about yourself. They deride ACORN for doing exactly what they got caught doing. If ACORN is the greatest threat to Democracy, then so is the California GOP.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:54 pmimpeachcheneythenbush Says:
The real mystery here, to me, is why they would have fooled people into registering as Republicans since it has zero effect on the general election.
Because they were hired by the ‘pubs, they probably got paid for new and “converted” ‘pub registrations.
ACORN was given the task of registering voters, not registering Dems only.
And therein lies the ethical difference.
PEACE
October 20th, 2008 at 3:55 pmAnd California needs to correct this as soon as possible. Party registration would also affect local primaries, which could start happening in six months, not two years. (Where I live in NY, our local elections usually happen in May.)
October 20th, 2008 at 3:56 pmTP, shouldn’t your headline read “GOP operative arrested for voter registration fraud in California.”? Isn’t that one of the important distinctions we often have to make – the difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud? We don’t want to conflate the two the way the right-wing does.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:01 pmimpeachcheneythenbush Says:
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The real mystery here, to me, is why they would have fooled people into registering as Republicans since it has zero effect on the general election.
Oh the sweet irony. They break the law that wouldn’t help
October 20th, 2008 at 4:05 pmthem win the election if they had pulled it off. Ha.
Wayne A. Schneider Says:
TP, shouldn’t your headline read “GOP operative arrested for voter registration fraud in California.”? Isn’t that one of the important distinctions we often have to make – the difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud? We don’t want to conflate the two the way the right-wing does.
Indeed, Wayne, you point an excellent make!
PEACE
October 20th, 2008 at 4:05 pmTracy,
Your link says:
“ACORN’s oversight of the workers was virtually nonexistent, Satterberg said.”
So, is this a concerted effort of intentionally coordinated voter registration fraud on a large scale, or not?
October 20th, 2008 at 4:16 pmDevilStrongCoffee,
October 20th, 2008 at 4:16 pmDont try to have an intelligent discussion with Twacie.
Not worth the effort.
Hey Tracy_5 or is that Tim57 or is that John Kerry or is
that Darell?
Ha Ha!
October 20th, 2008 at 4:17 pmThe strategy is to claim that the head of YPM or whatever is being PERSECUTED as a tit-for-tat strategy by the liberal vote registration fraud machine. Their tactic as seen by Fox is to de-legitimize it (”We’ll look into it IF IT’S FACT) while hyping up ACORN. Therefore Fox will NEVER bring this up and thanks to Brad, it would have never been brought up if he hadn’t…
The whole mess about ACORN is to de-legitimize Obama even before he wins the election. I’ve been thinking about this over the weekend and now believe that they know it would be too obvious if the election were stolen, but they can make it much closer than the “pundits” have projected by stealing maybe Ohio and Florida to bring the margin to maybe under 50 points. Then they can also claim that ACORN won him the election and will use ACORN to try to undermine his presidency, sort of what WA Republicans had been trying to do to Governor Gregoire.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:18 pmI think the those individuals who were hired by ACORN and paid per registration (of either party) who filled out phony registrations in order to get more money are highly unethical. However, because the obviously phony registration were flagged by ACORN before submission to the local election offices, this is not a scam by the organization itself.
On the other hand, if those people paid to register people were actually given the so-called petition by the GOP-hired firm itself, I wonder if that isn’t beyond an ethical issue and becomes a legal one.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:22 pm“Hi Ho, Hi Ho, Straight to frigging jail we go…” la, la, la… *lol*
October 20th, 2008 at 4:28 pmHere’s the deal, stupid troll.
ACORN flagged the questionable registrations and turned them in to the proper authorities. Mr. Jacoby committed fraud against people who didn’t even know they were being registered as Republicans and then committed fraud against the State and Nation by turning in registrations, which he KNEW were fraudulent, and did NOT inform the proper authorities.
Get it?
October 20th, 2008 at 4:35 pmYou think that ACORN’s non existant oversight was an accident? If they are this sloppy why would you want them involved in any voter registration drives?
Big difference between sloppy oversight and outright fraud.
Care to comment?
October 20th, 2008 at 4:36 pmPoor, stupid, troll.
If ACORN’s, as you say, oversight were nonexistent they would not have “flagged” questionable registrations. And there is no evidence that there was any official effort to deceive election officials.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:39 pmSo as usual, Tracy tries and fails to establish moral equivalence.
You’d think he’s give up after getting punked on such a regular basis.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:40 pmBTW. I’m pretty sure that there have been no arrests among ACORN management. This would strongly suggest that there are not legitimate cases of wrongdoing among ACORN officials.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:41 pmTracy, what is your problem? Those workers defrauded ACORN, not the vote. They filled out fraudulent registrations in order to get paid more. If the person on the registration doesn’t exist, then how is that non-existant person going to show up on election day to vote, you fool.
What a moron.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:42 pmIt’s equally insane to exploit the cause of cracking down on child molesters to fraudulently beef up GOP votes.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:43 pmTracy__5 Says:
You actually think that zero oversight on ACORN’s part is an accident?
There is oversight. They flag the applications in question and turn them over to the state. ACORN as an organization is not committing fraud, nor do they sponsor it. Unless any application materializes into a vote, you are desperately pivoting 14 days ahead of a presidential election, where Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill) is ahead six points.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pmACORN officials have repeatedly claimed that their own quality control workers were the first to discover problematic ballots. In every state investigating bad registrations, ACORN tipped off local officials to bogus or incomplete cards, spokesman Kettenring said.
Many states require that all registrations be submitted to local voting officials so that election directors are in charge of vetting problem ballots, not the groups collecting them.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jxjAsAV-4bVaxvkleyrVdeKz2cmgD93T13EO0
October 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pmOh dear, Tracy_5 – it must totally suck to be you!! Here you are, defending racists and bigots and thugs – oh my!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Pass the schadenfreude, please!
October 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pmTracy,Tracy,Tracy. You just don’t get it. If i register to
October 20th, 2008 at 4:51 pmvote 20 times 19 of them get thrown out when they see I am
already registered. I don’t think you are going to get many
people to try to vote as Mickey Mouse or Wonder Woman. It
is a felony and hardly worth the risk for one vote.
You aren’t very good at this, are you stupid troll? Rummy was a member of the government which would be responsible for enforcing the law while ACORN is not a government entity. So, Rummy and his allies were able to influence investigations from the inside while ACORN is at the mercy of a hostile government. And yet, that hostile government still can’t make a case despite all the hoo-hah.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:53 pmYou’re wasting your time with Tracy, folks. Tracy doesn’t want to get it. Tracy just wants to make trouble for us.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:54 pmTracy won’t even comment on the GOP actions. Can’t defend his Good Ol’ Boys, so he tries to twist it around.
But at least he does show up. We seem to have lost all the other little trollis, they craled back to RedState.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:57 pmFrom the same article:
When caught, Kettenring said, those workers are fired.
Sounds like oversight to me.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:57 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
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You’re wasting your time with Tracy, folks. Tracy doesn’t want to get it. Tracy just wants to make trouble for us.
But it’s so much fun! We don’t get many trolls these days.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:58 pmNo. Jacoby didn’t do it on his own. He is, however, the only one who has been arrested.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:58 pmIt would appear that Mr. Jacoby had about seven employees, but he was the ringleader.
Someone even took the time to capture Jacoby on film, apparently after a debt was defaulted on. The comments are equally revealing.
Someone posted him at youtube — and comments are equally as bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg0s973bNfQ“
October 20th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
good ole unlovable t5, comes in guns a blazen and when he’s been wounded 3 or 4 times he starts slingin shit.
You must be so much fun at a party t5.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:59 pmIf I understand the process correctly, ACORN’S oversight comes in when the registrations are turned in. Those that are obviously fraudulent are bundled and reported separately, as ACORN is required by law to turn in all registration cards. If a Republican operative or merely an unethical person seeking to scam ACORN turns in bogus registration cards, the Elections officials are already alerted to the potential problem.
ACORN is such a non-issue for those of us with greater than a 3rd grade reading comprehension level.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:59 pmWell Tracy, I see you’re using the tried-and-true method of distracting away from GOP scandals by claiming Democrats do it too!
October 20th, 2008 at 5:00 pmnot addressing you personally t5, I don’t respect you that much. Just for anyone’s info though:
they have been investigating Acorn for weeks….no arrests.
They investigate this bunch for a couple of days….guess what….people in handcuffs….felonies at that.
sucks to be a t5 unit these days. Keep your chin up t5, mental medical help for ya is just around the corner.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:03 pmSince, I know you’re fair and balanced, Tracy, I know you came out just as virulently against Voters Outreach of America back in 2004.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:03 pmLurker:
I am coming to the conclusion that there is only one, or two, trolls. I find it very telling that one will show up, get banned, and then another pops up using similar rhetoric under a different name.
Since they are farther and fewer in between I’m guessing that TP has started banning IP’s so our one or two trolls have been reduced to logging in from different locations. One day from the basement, the next from the library, then try from a friend’s house and maybe from the school computer lab.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:03 pmI posted this story on TP’s ACORN thread 14 hours ago.
TP, will you please give the story of Spoonamore, the Republican data security expert, who says Ohio in 2004 was stolen by tabulation fraud. I think it is kinda important.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:09 pmpete,
You give the trolls too much credit…
October 20th, 2008 at 5:11 pmAcorn notified the proper authorities. This whole case would not have been known if Acorn did not notify the proper authorities. Someone earning $8 an hour was trying to get the money while not doing the work. There could be noone actually voting illegally in an election.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:13 pmwe did, and it was real fraud. Nothing happened.
suck it up ya big cry baby suck a titty baby.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:23 pmOnly one…!!
October 20th, 2008 at 5:28 pmhere t5 a little help for ya from your own link. Note also that not one mention of hand cuffs despite your claim that laws were broken….you are just a run of the mill liar.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Tracy_5 jus give up you don’t have a leg to stand on. In a
October 20th, 2008 at 5:35 pmbattle of the wits you are unarmed.
You could submit a thousand bogus forms that doesn’t lead to one vote being cast.
i just heard a good explanation from randi -
that this was for fund raising purposes…
“see how many new republican voters are registering!”
they have to cheat…
October 20th, 2008 at 5:36 pmTracy, one more time. ACORN is required BY LAW to submit ALL registrations to election officials. Gawd you are dense.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:42 pmTracie says: I do believe that attached by the Dems to to the first bailout bill was millions in profits from the potential sale of those bad loans by the governement for ACORN.
http://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2008/ 09/ 27/ politics/ politico/ thecrypt/ main4483168.shtml
If you read your link, it does not say what you are saying it says!
October 20th, 2008 at 5:42 pmTracy_5 I have to admit you make me laugh. Do you really think
October 20th, 2008 at 5:42 pmyou will convince anyone here to go over to the darkside?
Tracy__5 Says:
You want to argue your case here? Why hasn’t anyone been arrested? Please, you just don’t want to talk about what the gop is doing illegally and getting cuffed and doing the perp walk for.
It’s just the start of a long line of handcuffed, perpwalking gop’ers we will be seeing in the near future.
Even prosecutors in the gop pocket are smelling in what you are stepping in……a democratic majority with a democratic president.
ya better go take your meds….you’re gonna need them.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:43 pmYou run your mouth but you don’t/can’t back it up.
no arrests means somethink to most Americans…..you, you just want what you want. Too bad, this one turns out bad for ya in addition to all the other things going south for ya.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:47 pmFrom RFK Jr. and Greg Palast’s great article in Rolling Stone:
“… studies have repeatedly shown that voter fraud is extremely rare. According to a recent an@lysis by Lorraine Minnite, an expert on voting crime at Barnard College, federal courts found only 24 voters guilty of fraud from 2002 to 2005, out of hundreds of millions of votes cast. “The claim of widespread voter fraud,” Minnite says, “is itself a fraud.”
http://www.rollingstone.com/ politics/ story/ 23638322/ block_the_vote/ print
TP would not print this the first time because it included “an@alysis. Lord Have Mercy!
October 20th, 2008 at 5:50 pmEgad this one’s dense.
1. Neither of the links it posted makes any mention of whether the questionable ballots were identified as such by ACORN. Maybe they were, maybe the were not.
2. The countless investigations of ACORN, going back to their inception in 1970, have not yielded any arrests related to this year’s election.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:52 pmTracy_5 Silly troll I wont even flag you because your fun to beat up. Haaaa.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pmKeith isn’t it odd that that word is taboo but I can say twat assmunch clit if I want. Oh I just did. It is so ridiculous
October 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pmt5, talk to us about the con job done on these people by the gop who was arrested…
I mean, the worst you can say about acorn is that they turned in bogus registrations.
the criminal in the title of this thread was performing what can be called no less than a criminal enterprise where people were trained to do something illegal….
talk to us about why you think that is ok and omit any reference to acorn….just address this one thing.
Is what this gop stooge has been doing ok with you?
October 20th, 2008 at 5:54 pmWhat part of ACORN MUST TURN IN EVERY BALLOT BY LAW they receive, fraudulent or not don’t you get, Tracy? What part of they FLAGGED the fraudulent registrations before turning it in don’t you get? (There, I wrote it in all caps for you)
Where were you in 2004 when Voters Outreach of America was TRASHING Democratic registrations? which is against the law?)
October 20th, 2008 at 5:56 pmmore of just spouting crap like it’s true…..do you work for fox news?
proof or drop it.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:57 pmPerhaps ACORN should have a better vetting system, but hell with any registration drive, you’ll have lazy volunteers who don’t want to take the energy to walk house-by-house. ACORN fires those who are caught.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:58 pmIt’s very clear that obviously questionable registrations were, indeed, identified as such by ACORN in most cases. As for the large percentage which have discrepancies in spelling, address, and such are impossible for ACORN to screen because they don’t have access to the official data bases which disagree with the registrations.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:58 pmdbadass, what’s wrong with an@alysis, an@alogy, an@alyists, an@alyze, etc.? Jeebus H. Christ!
October 20th, 2008 at 5:58 pmThis is just another distraction away from the real issue of voting machines. Notice that there is NEVER an instance of McCain votes switching to Obama.
October 20th, 2008 at 5:59 pmTracy_5 says:. It’s just that TP will never point out any wrong doing by ACORN…only post lame articles which say “This sound like a case of fraud being perpetuated against ACORN”.
When you find some let them Know. You are still making me laugh. Ha Ha
October 20th, 2008 at 6:01 pmWell, ACORN followed the law by turning in EVERY registration form that was fraudulent. So your myth of ACORN is going to steal the election is just that, a myth.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:02 pmThe only ones I’ve heard saying it were republicans. Not even the news, papers, radio, etc. say there was any wrongdoing so far……just you and your 5 or 6 young republicans.
So far it has been a case of fraud being committed against acorn…….
Really funny to hear you use the word lame when talking about someone besides yourself.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:02 pmTake it from someone who’s been “into politics that deep” for more than 35 years. Your an idiot, stupid troll.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:05 pmHi Tracy_5:
October 20th, 2008 at 6:10 pmVultures feed on carrion. What are you suggestiong?
Tracy__5 Says: I have come to the conclusion that you and others here send mass Microsoft Office Commuicator messages to your buddies when I post because it seems to be the same old group of vultures start flying around.
Yes we smell your dead carcass, Ha.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:11 pmTracy, Acorn flagged them as fradulent when they turned them in—as required by law. Jeebus, you’ve been told this a dozen times on this thread!
October 20th, 2008 at 6:12 pm115 is an answer to 111
October 20th, 2008 at 6:13 pmSorry, stupid troll. I’m a Linux fan and would rather wipe my ass with sandpaper than buy more of Microsloths horrible products. Once was one time too many. You can rest assured that it’s your own outrageous inanities that attracts the crowd.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:13 pmTracy and his Freeper friends are all adither about the possibility of Micky Mouse showing up to vote on Nov. 4.
As Daffy Duck would say, “What a maroon, what an ignoramus.”
October 20th, 2008 at 6:15 pmTracy__5 Says:But it’s still not a problem that ACORN should fix with some decent oversight?
Oversight is great and welcomed by liberals. It’s the
October 20th, 2008 at 6:15 pmrepublicans who detest oversight.
Tracy__5 Says: No wrong doing by ACORN here.
Glad to see you agree.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:17 pmSure tracy, but now the special prosecutor is going to be investigating the FBI and GOP Justice Department officials that leaked the info that they were investigating ACORN because it is illegal to make charges like that so close to an election. You better be careful you’re not leaking some insider intel here or when President Obama gets into office the special prosecutor should maybe find out where you got your information.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:18 pmTracy__5 Says:But it’s still not a problem that ACORN should fix with some decent oversight?
Wouldn’t that be evil government regulation? Let the free markets sort it out. The magic of the marketplace.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:18 pmTracy__5 Says:
t5 says…..I just want to talk about acorn so you guys don’t talk about the gop criminals.
I will eat shit and take your abuse just to keep you from talking about the gop criminals.
pay attention to me……listen to me….wa
you’re pathetic t5.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:19 pmAnd the Obama campaign NEVER PAID ACORN TO REGISTER VOTERS. EVER.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:20 pmThat’s because even paranoids have enemies, nutjob.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:22 pmPiss soaked trolls smell like that even before they’re dead.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:23 pmtime for t5 to play the victim…..
October 20th, 2008 at 6:24 pmtracy, we’re all glad to hear that your IQ test results came back negative.
clearly you’re one strike past being called out… give it a rest, k?
October 20th, 2008 at 6:24 pmIsn’t it time for Tracy to get flagged until he is Tracy_666.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:26 pmI’m beginning to believe Tracy is as dumb as he sounds.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:27 pmTracy_5 Give up my eyes are watering from laughing at you.
I suprised you can still see after all one of the first
October 20th, 2008 at 6:27 pmthings vultures go for are the eyes. Ha.
I think we need to cut the stupid troll a little, very little, slack. After all, it admits it’s only been “into politics” since 06. Please believe me when I say that one who has only observed politics in the last couple years has never seen our Democracy function in any way like it once did.
If you base your opinions on the observation of a dysfunctional government? You are going to need to sift through a mound of BS without anything to compare it too. Kinda like trying to tell “good” registrations from “bad” ones without access to official records.
Don’t worry stupid troll. We The People are really trying to make positive changes and return accountable persons to the halls of power. With a little luck and lots of hard work you may just see what our country is supposed to be like within a few short years.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:27 pmpete, you’re just much more of a gentleman than I am. t5 is just like palen, he tossed his hat in the ring…..let him learn here.
Interesting sidnote t5. Obama just raised 160 mil last month, a new record up from his last months record of 60 mil.
That’s a pretty big vote of confidence wouldn’t you say.
Also note that Obama has hired one of the largest legal firms in the country to help keep an eye on election proceedings this year.
dealing with the gop is kinda like dealing with an insurance company for the first time….you don’t realize that you need a lawyer. We have learned.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:33 pmBesides which. What can one expect from someone who responds to “stupid troll” as though it was his name?
October 20th, 2008 at 6:33 pmFor the troll Tracy_5’s benefit:
The steps of a voter registration that’s bogus through the system.
1) Worker either collects or fills out a bogus voter registration form.
2) Worker turns in bogus voter registration form to ACORN.
3) ACORN validates form.
4) Does ACORN detect bogus form?
a) Yes: Sets form in bogus pile, flags worker.
b) No: Sets form in good pile.
5) ACORN turns in both piles to State agency responsible for voter registrations.
6a) Bogus forms are processed and officially recorded.
6b) Good forms are further validated. If truly good, they’re registered, and if not, they go into the bogus pile.
7) Valid voters are notified of their new status and are allowed to vote in their distract according to laws.
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So far the troll has said that ACORN should validate the forms before they were submitted. Of course, the Troll doesn’t wish to actually clarify _which_ submission, as there are three. Voter to employee, employee to ACORN, and ACORN to State Agency.
It’s not an employee’s job to validate a Voter’s registration. Hell, I don’t know who the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys is. Even if I did, I couldn’t pick and choose whose voter registration cards I accepted. There are laws against that for good reason. Likewise, unless the employee has a habit of submitting bogus ballots, ACORN really can’t do anything to the guy who received a bogus ballot. AND Every ballot, bogus or otherwise, MUST be submitted! It’s not ACORNs job to validate voters. Their job is to take voter registration. To deny a voter registration card is to be guilty of caging (ironically, what the Republicans are guilty of to a great extent).
ACORN can validate its registrations. In fact, that adds an extra set of eyes. However, that’s where their authority ends.
I might agree if the founder of ACORN was guilty of registering him/herself at multiple addresses trying to break the one man-one voice rule. But so far, there’s been no evidence of that. Well, at least not on the Democratic side. Hey, Tracy5. Scroll up to the article. That’s a REPUBLICAN doing that.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:37 pmTracy5, your link does not say:
I do believe that attached by the Dems to to the first bailout bill was millions in profits from the potential sale of those bad loans by the governement for ACORN.
It says:
“State and local governments can then dole out the funds and could send money to ACORN if they so choose and if the organization’s efforts meet the standards set out in the law.”
Those are two totally different statements. Under the second statement, Acorn might not get one single penny! You said they would get millions. You lied.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:38 pmSlight mistake in the above. The bogus pile is also further scanned by the State. They register the forms that are not truly bogus as good forms.
But the bottom line, for the troll’s benefit, is that Acorn is doing its job and following the law.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:41 pmtracy has a habit of leaving and revisiting the thread after everyone has moved on. He really tears us a new one when we aren’t here…..
October 20th, 2008 at 6:42 pmOh, yeah, and obligatory OT post, unlike ACORN, this Republican registration drive in California…was not following the law. ^^
October 20th, 2008 at 6:43 pmOnce again, and i state for the slow learners here (tracy and all it’s incarnations) an ARREST trumps allegations. repeat after me: ARREST trumps allegations.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:45 pmClusterTim:
October 20th, 2008 at 6:55 pmNobody gives a shit and decides I got here first and told everybody that the Privacy Center is just some lame jackoff link
RE: 142
“What else do you want?”
For you to grasp the concept that ACORN cannot run oversight on their submissions according to law
But of course if the Troll did THAT….then its point would go up in meaningless smoke.
Ta ta, now. Time to get an ejamacation.
October 20th, 2008 at 6:57 pmI never suggested that ACORN catches every questionable registration and neither did Mr. Ketterning. Many are only caught when there is a discrepancy between the registration and official election data. Since ACORN doesn’t have access to that data, there is no way they could catch those before submission.
October 20th, 2008 at 7:08 pmYou’re repeating yourself, stupid troll. Buh-bye.
October 20th, 2008 at 7:15 pmTracy__5 Says:
stay on topic or we’re gonna flag you. this thread is about gop voter fraud, acorn.
October 20th, 2008 at 7:16 pmAs suggested earlier, Shouldn’t you change the headline so it will be accurate? Otherwise you will hurt your own credibility.
October 20th, 2008 at 7:18 pm155 should have read it’s about gop voter fraud, not acorn.
t5 stick with the topic.
October 20th, 2008 at 7:20 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Tracy, what is your problem?”
ACORN needs to do their job…which includes oversight of those who they hire.
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So Tracy, how do you expect them to do this “oversight”. Do you expect them to follow each and every worker around to make sure that they aren’t writing down names out of the phone book?
And, for everyone’s edification, ACORN DOES NOT pay their workers per registration. They figured out a couple of years ago that it encouraged people to make up registrations. They now pay them by the hour. But, there will always be lazy people who, rather than do their job by approaching people to register, they will still sit down and copy names out of the phone book or who will make up names. It’s the nature of the beast.
ACORN trains the people they hire. They let them know what will happen if they are caught falsifying registration forms (meaning they will turn them in to the authorities which they have done on several occasions).
But the final line of demarcation is the fact that ACORN workers attempt to verify the identify of those who were registered and if there is ANY HINT of something out of whack, they flag those registrations and put them in a separate pile for the Registrar of voters.
There has NEVER been a verified case of anyone voting fraudulently who was registered by ACORN. That’s a fact and if you don’t like it, tough $hit.
October 20th, 2008 at 7:34 pmTracy__5 Says:
stay on topic or we’re gonna flag you. this thread is about gop voter fraud, not acorn.
October 20th, 2008 at 7:36 pmTracy__5 Says:
#114
“Tracy, Acorn flagged them as fradulent when they turned them in—as required by law.”
Cite some evidence that proves this…the cases I mentioned earlier.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jxjAsAV-4bVaxvkleyrVdeKz2cmgD93T13EO0
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/acorn_rallies_its_troops.php
http://www.velvetrevolution.us/electionstrikeforce/2008/10/obama_acorn_and_voter_fraud_my.html
And that’s it. I am done doing your homework for you. All you need to do is a google search for “ACORN FLAGS registrations as Fraudulent”. You will find plenty. I’m surprised you don’t know how to do the internets.
October 20th, 2008 at 7:42 pmTracy__5 Says:
#103
“This is just another distraction away from the real issue of voting machines. Notice that there is NEVER an instance of McCain votes switching to Obama.”
How many people have been arrested for this type of allegation of voter fraud?
At this point zero. And you know why? Because the states allow the voting machine manufacturers to declare their software as off-limits for verification. So we can’t see what is going on inside the machine. All we can see is what comes out.
And I agree. Isn’t it odd that there are zero instances of votes being flipped from Republican to Democratic.
The state of Virginia has already reported voting machines flipping votes from Democratic to Republican. So, how do you explain that troll?
October 20th, 2008 at 7:45 pmTracy_5 what’s the problem with trying a little trickle up? Trickle down doesn’t really seem to be cutting it. Notice the ever increasing gap between the citizens of the greatest nation?
October 20th, 2008 at 7:48 pmTalking to yourself stupid troll? Since everyone has grown tired of trying to educate you, here’s a little light reading, since you seem so concerned about voting integrity.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/20/florida-voting-machines-b_n_136342.html
October 20th, 2008 at 8:19 pmTracy_5.
October 20th, 2008 at 8:31 pmAre you being selective in your demand side choices? There are plenty of socialized societies that are doing quite well. Do you have an agenda which dictates that you ignore those?
Because this is incorrect. They hiredthe subsidiary to scout locations for the campaign and this subsidiary did not register voters for Obama.
October 20th, 2008 at 9:35 pmt5, you need to listen to me now. You are a sick little bugger. You just spent hours repeating lies and trying to distract us from gop voter fraud criminals by talking about an agency under seige by the same criminals.
You have been caught lying and using bogus info to make your invalid points and have generally shown your ass for all to see.
You obviously have no self respect and no comprehension that your silly game makes no difference to any of us here. The point that the gop is criminal in everything they do is common knowledge and anyone reading these posts will see you as the fraud that you are.
If anyone pays you for your conduct here, they are getting cheated.
You should seek mental health as soon as you possibly can.
October 20th, 2008 at 9:50 pmHow similar can a petition be, to a voter registration form, that a person can’t distinguish between the two? Don’t people READ, anymore?
October 20th, 2008 at 10:03 pmUltimately, it is up to someone in the government, not ACORN, to determine if a voter’s registration is valid. I would be surprised if the guy caught submitting phony registrations told the election officials that he suspected they were fakes. ACORN (the organization itself) did nothing illegal, no matter how hard someone wants to believe they did. I really wish people would stop getting the facts they choose to believe from the right-wing media. Those “facts” they spew were not chosen for their high level of accuracy.
October 20th, 2008 at 10:15 pmOT
I stumbled across this video and, while it’s still disturbing, I can’t stop giggling. I hope you all get a chuckle because, if we can’t laugh, ol’ Flippy might as well win. Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjYniYChX3k&feature=related
October 20th, 2008 at 10:24 pmTP: If no one else has brought this up (and since your headline reads “Voter Fraud”), you should immediately change it to “Voter Registration Fraud.” We have all been correcting people who have accused ACORN of “voter fraud” when what is at issue is fraudulent registration, not actual voter fraud. Let’s not use the same tactics.
October 20th, 2008 at 10:49 pmSorry, I screwed up the italics. :(
October 20th, 2008 at 10:50 pmAnd Tracy, here’s your answer from the recent ACORN thread:
http://www.time.com/ time/ politics/ article/ 0,8599,1849422,00.html
Enjoy…
October 20th, 2008 at 11:02 pmTracy, If ACORN does not catch a phony registration and it slips through—that just means that some slacker got his $8 an hour without doing the real work. It doesn’t mean a phony vote. There is not a phony person turning up at the polls and voting.
Someone give me a big piece of paper and a crayon and I’ll draw a picture!
The organization in California was tricking people into being registered Republicans when they did not want to be. This prevents them from voting in Democratic primaries (for instance, they could not choose between Hillary and Barack) and prevents them from receiving info from the Dem headquarters.
October 20th, 2008 at 11:46 pmWho was paying these people. Follow the money!
Keith Says:
dbadass, what’s wrong with an@alysis, an@alogy, an@alyists, an@alyze, etc.? Jeebus H. Christ!
October 20th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
It’s the a-n-a-l in each of those words. The system trips on that string of letters…
October 20th, 2008 at 11:47 pmtRACY, YOU may want to check out this link in Lake County, Indiana…
ACORN followed law on suspect voter registrations
October 21st, 2008 at 12:09 amyou know what? To be fair, I would like for Tracy to address the REAL PROBLEM our elections face, electronic voting machines that seem to always have glitches that FAVOR the GOP candidate.
October 21st, 2008 at 12:13 amWhy am I thinking that Tracy is trying to bait us into forgetting the real issue over this: the GOP voter fraud and the election stealing that the electronic voting machines are engaged in.
October 21st, 2008 at 12:16 amTracy__5 Says:
#103
“This is just another distraction away from the real issue of voting machines. Notice that there is NEVER an instance of McCain votes switching to Obama.”
How many people have been arrested for this type of allegation of voter fraud?
That doesn’t mean it’s not real. It just means that the Bush administration which has benefited from all of these glitches would NEVER do a thing about that. Instead GOP operatives want to create a mythical problem that doesn’t exist or is rare that it isn’t the epidemic that you guys want to claim it is. The politicization of the Justice Department is real, but your principles, I mean principle of IOKIYAR prevent you from seeing that.
October 21st, 2008 at 12:18 amThought I would revisit this thread knowing full well that t5 would come back after everyone was gone and refute everthing and somehow claim a win.
t5 you have proven only that you are a total fool.
You have lied and lied. even your last point is a lie. Obama never gave 800,000 dollars to acorn, that is just another of your lies.
You are just a pathetic imitation of a human being.
The fact that we interact with you shows how compassionate we are, you obviously have no life at all.
October 21st, 2008 at 11:06 amt5 suck it up, you lose big time in so many ways. See nov 4.
October 21st, 2008 at 11:08 amto t5:
October 21st, 2008 at 11:10 amYour posting has no relevance to the purpose of the forum which is a discussion about a specific issue. The difficulty the Poster has with relevance shows also from the contents of his or her message. Poster uses this forum to ventilate unsubstantiated political messages. This is rather inappropriate since he or she does not intend to answer the question. Instead, it uses the question as a vehicle to influence or impress an assumed gullible audience.
the lie that Obama gave 800 thou to Acorn…specifically, but mostly all of your statements are just lies.
for you to ponder fool:
October 21st, 2008 at 11:32 am
You just keep talking to yourself t5, I will be back later to call you a liar again.
October 21st, 2008 at 11:41 amTracy__5 Says:
but what about the gop guy who was arrested and handcuffed? Guess you got nothing.
October 21st, 2008 at 12:40 pmt5, read through the thread, you look like a fool.
October 21st, 2008 at 1:18 pmt5, you replied to my question:
with this:
You are guilty of what you accuse us of and no one from acorn has even been arrested.
as I said before, read back through the thread, you look like a total bafoon.
October 21st, 2008 at 1:22 pmThis threads not about acorn. You are the only one trying to distract from the topic of the thread with lies and warped facts.
Are you sure you’re not really a progressive who was sent here to make the righties look bad. You certainly are doing that effectively.
October 21st, 2008 at 2:14 pmwastin your time and making yourself look bad…..progressives should pay you to post, you make righties look like doofus’s…
October 21st, 2008 at 2:27 pmWhat you have pointed out is that acorn has been policing itself and has resolved problems when they arise.
You should be more concerned about the gop’s people who were actually training people to commit voter registration fraud and got caught and arrested, handcuffed and perpwalked.
You are such a loser. How much do we owe you for making the right look so dumb?
October 21st, 2008 at 2:32 pmFunny, Tracy, how your standards of innocent until proven guilty are not applicable to ACORN…You’re too busy expressing your outrage that you don’t have the chance to see that maybe it’s not an intentional fraud ACORN is trying to do, but rather they need to do a better job in vetting who they hire.
I’ve seen these dirty tricks that signature gatherers utilize myself. For example, there was one about protecting children from sex offenders, but I noticed there were more that he was trying to get me to sign without reading them. One involved Prop 73 which was Parental Notification a few years ago. I will never forget the blatant dishonesty and the feeling that he wanted to hide something. After all, he was on a community college campus and perhaps he felt he wouldn’t get as much support. Perhaps this was a case of bad apples but you are not
October 21st, 2008 at 4:20 pmgiving ACORN the benefit.
October 21st, 2008 at 4:30 pmTracy__5 Says:
Why do you fail to mention that the reason Joe has a good paying job that pays (thru taxes) for ALL of the things you mentioned are a result of some evil conservative promoting a free market system that makes Joe’s job possible to have in the first place?
October 21st, 2008 at 12:59 pm
You make it sound like in our country’s early history there was communism until brave conservatives fought for capitalism! Truth is there were indentured servants, slavery, robber barons and the vast majority below the poverty line before those left-of-center fought for progressive policies! Originally, only white Protestant land-owning men could vote. And you probably think living under a monarchy is leftist!
October 21st, 2008 at 4:38 pmt5 bait….you suck at this t5.
lets see if the little fishie comes out.
October 21st, 2008 at 7:50 pmThere he is, set the hook
October 21st, 2008 at 8:14 pmfish on. Damn, someone hand me a beer.
October 21st, 2008 at 8:15 pmOff topic but:
Bernanke Endorses Obama
This is much bigger than Powell endorsment. This was gw bush’s apppointee…..now that’s funny.
October 21st, 2008 at 8:45 pmTracy__5 Says:
If it hadn’t been going on for so MANY years, the same complaint over and over, i.e. hired workers faking registration forms, I might have some sympathy. Why haven’t they taken steps to correct this?…because over the years it has gotten WORSE not better.
Funny, election fraud with the help of voting machines has gone on for several years and I’m wondering if your sympathy for that has diminished over the years…
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:37 amWell unlike those at ACORN, the election FRAUD is intentional. But I like how you’re trying to diminish the effect of it by claiming it’s a few individual election boards…
October 24th, 2008 at 12:54 am