Lars Larson: Progressives Are ‘Marxist’ — But Don’t Call Conservatives ‘Fascist’
Lars Larson: Progressives Are ‘Marxist’ — But Don’t Call Conservatives ‘Fascist’
On Friday, right-wing radio host Lars Larson appeared on CNN’s Larry King Live and claimed that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) and other progressives are “Marxist.” Larson then bristled when King asked him whether the right wing is therefore “fascist”:
KING: Does that make the right wing fascist?
LARSON: No.
KING: You can’t have it both ways.
LARSON: No, fascism is about celebrating the country. America has always been about the individual. And conservatives really are about the individual. But saying we want to spread everybody’s wealth around and giving tax rebates to the 40 percent of Americans who don’t pay federal taxes, that’s Marxism.
Watch it:
Larson is repeating a common right-wing talking point. In June, former House speaker Tom DeLay said of Obama, “I have said publicly, and I will again, that unless he proves me wrong, he is a Marxist.” Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) has said that it’s a “good question” to ask whether Obama’s Marxist. Bill Kristol, Glenn Beck, and Karl Rove have made similar statements.
Politico’s Mike Allen reports today that the McCain campaign plans to continue charging Obama of promoting socialism. Similarly, Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH) has said that Obama is socialist because he supposedly “believes that the federal government should take over just about everything.”
Obama has never said he ascribes to Marxism, which believes that capitalism will eventually fail, nor has he ever said that the government should own everything. Conservatives, such as Larson, are clearly willing to simplify policy positions of progressives but cry foul when it is done to them.
Transcript:
KING: Lars, what would you advise him?
LARSON: Larry, he’s got to be bold. He’s got to tag Obama as the Marxist that he is. Again, from –
KING: Marxist? Hold it. He’s a Marxist?
LARSON: That’s Marxism.
KING: Does that make the right wing fascist?
LARSON: No.
KING: You can’t have it both ways.
LARSON: No, fascism is about celebrating the country. America has always been about the individual. And conservatives really are about the individual. But saying we want to spread everybody’s wealth around and giving tax rebates to the 40 percent of Americans who don’t pay federal taxes, that’s Marxism. That’s redistribution of wealth. And John McCain should be bold enough to tag him.
Barack Obama doesn’t believe in drilling for oil. He doesn’t believe in nuclear power. He does believe in spreading the wealth and redistributing Joe the Plumber’s wealth. That’s just dead wrong and Americans know it.
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After 8 years of disasterous fascism, I’m willing to try a few years of socialism and see which turns out better.
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October 20th, 2008 at 1:10 pmFear Reparations!
White Murkins seem mainly to fear being treated by a Black President in the ways that blacks have been treated by Whites, historically?
October 20th, 2008 at 1:11 pmDo the people calling Obama a Marxist not realize that he’s a Chicago Boy?
October 20th, 2008 at 1:12 pm“The Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:13 pm$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget.”
That’s kind of an ironic comparison seeing as the republicans are trying to suppress those that might vote against them, which oddly enough is what happens in Zimbabwe.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:13 pmLARSON: No, fascism is about celebrating the country. America has always been about the individual. And conservatives really are about the individual.
I guess he missed those bizarre chants of “USA, USA, USA, USA!” at McSame rallies. I thought for a second I had Colbert on.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:15 pm“Well of course Conservatives aren’t fascists, they’re just simple-minded and incoherent”
October 20th, 2008 at 1:16 pmso pathetically desperate
October 20th, 2008 at 1:16 pmnigel Says:
That’s kind of an ironic comparison seeing as the republicans are trying to suppress those that might vote against them, which oddly enough is what happens in Zimbabwe.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
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Not to mention that Mugabe’s land-reform policy — bulldoze the slum houses of poor people and give the land to rich cronies — is quite similar to what happened in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:16 pmA steaming pile of dogshit has more to add to any discussion than Liar Lars Larson.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:17 pmIs he saying conservatives aren’t pro America enough to want to celebrate it?
October 20th, 2008 at 1:17 pmIt seems to me that it’s these same clowns that use socialist stimulus packages and bailouts every time their trickle down fails.
¶ AIO
October 20th, 2008 at 1:17 pmLARSON: No, fascism is about celebrating the country. America has always been about the individual. And conservatives really are about the individual.
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So did he just call McCain/Palin’s “Country First” slogan fascist?
October 20th, 2008 at 1:18 pmHere’s another example of how the “Right” wing dumba$$ extremists are trying to label Obama as a socialist or Marxist. It’s just pure exaggeration and ignorance on their part. Why do they keep repeating the lie that rebates will be given to 40% of Americans who do not pay taxes? God help us if dumb McCain and dumber Palin get elected.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:19 pmOK, instead we’ll just call them ass holes.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:21 pmwhoa! new meme?
But saying we want to spread everybody’s wealth around
and giving tax rebates to the 40 percent
of Americans who don’t pay federal taxes, that’s Marxism.
rebates???
October 20th, 2008 at 1:22 pmWhen was the last time the US had a socialist president?
Oh, that’s right. It has never happened.
Their idiotic talking points would be hilarious if these people weren’t so dangerous.
So, Obama believes “the federal government should take over just about everything.”?
Funny. And I thought Pres Bush was already down that path (illegal wiretaps, claims of executive “privilege”, signing statements, out-of-control federal spending, two invasions & occupations, etc.)
October 20th, 2008 at 1:23 pmRight-wingers aren’t fascists, because fascists could at least get the trains to run on time. Under Republicans, the trains don’t run at all.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:24 pmThey are not interested in a healthy debate about the direction of the country and what is good for the ‘individuals’ (versus certain individuals) who’ve built and made this country strong.
Soon all will tire of the relentless vilification and demeaning. We are at war and don’t need one on our soil as well.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:24 pmFrom what I’ve seen on the blogs, it’s not enough for right-wingers to disagree with Obama on the issues. They have worked themselves into an hysterical frenzy, believing he’s the new Fidel Castro or something. Never mind the dictatorial powers seized by President Bush– they were never worried about that problem.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:25 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
So did he just call McCain/Palin’s “Country First” slogan fascist?
Beat me to it. All we’ve ever heard from the Right is “my country, right or wrong” and all of a sudden they’re not about country? WTF?
I’m embarrassed to admit this idiot is from my hometown.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:27 pm“And conservatives really are about the individual.”
That is until said individual needs help with any of the following: finding affordable childcare, relocating before or after a natural disaster, getting loans for an education, or finding affordable health care for themselves and their families. Then it’s “let ‘em eat cake” conservatism.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:28 pmAnd mccain is drawing social security….what a hypocrit.
Not to mention that they all drive on public highways…socialism
they love having a competent police force…..socialism
they love having firefighters in thier community…..socialism
teachers…….socialism…..caviat….they would like to destroy this one as it threatens them.
etc.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:29 pm“Fascism is about celebrating the country“??
I am totally going to revise my view of Hitler now.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:29 pmObama is Mugabe: They’re both B – L – A – C- K!!!!
Malkin oozes racism out of every pore.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:30 pm“Fascism is about celebrating the country“??
I am totally going to revise my view of Hitler now.
I guess the Fourth of July is like the Nuremberg rallies.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:31 pmWow, this is getting more & more ridiculous by the day. Throwing more sh*t around in hope enough stick that low-info voters get scared. What a crock. Someone please explain to me why MSM like King even give someone like Larson or Minnesota’s Bachmann on MSNBC, a platform from which to speak??
October 20th, 2008 at 1:33 pmGregor Samsa Says:
“And conservatives really are about the individual.”
That is until said individual needs help with any of the following: finding affordable childcare, relocating before or after a natural disaster, getting loans for an education, or finding affordable health care for themselves and their families. Then it’s “let ‘em eat cake” conservatism.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
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That’s cause you’re using the liberal definition of “individual.” To us, “the individual” can be anybody – a relative, a neighbors, a peers, a total stranger, someonewe agree with, someone we disagree with, someone who shares our faith, someone of a different faith, someone of our socioeconomic background, someone of a different socioeconomic background, etc.
To conservatives, “the individual” refers to one of three people – me, myself, or I.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:33 pm“Fascism is about celebrating the country“??
I am totally going to revise my view of Hitler now.
asperjava Says: I guess the Fourth of July is like the Nuremberg rallies.
Under McCain/Palin, yes it would be.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:35 pmKaty — good catch. A tax cut for those who EARN less than $250,000 (which is WAY above the median income) is NOT a “rebate.” And it’s more than obvious that tax cuts don’t go to people who don’t pay taxes at all. But this is all these crazy people have now.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:36 pmWhere are the obvious follow-up questions?
“What is the definition of ’socialism’? What is the definition of ‘fascism’.”
“Will you please provide an example of how ‘progressive’ policies represent Marxist ideas?”
“If, as you say, fascism represents ‘celebrating the country’, can you explain how American fascism is materially different from German Nazism or Italian fascism?”
“If it is considered ’socialism’ to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor, then should ‘trickle up’ tax policies like we’ve seen from Reagan and both Bushes also be called ’socialism’ since they redistribute wealth from the middle class to the rich?”
October 20th, 2008 at 1:36 pmI believe it’s in my best interest not to listen to or read anything Malkin has to say.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:37 pm“No, fascism is about celebrating the country”
Well, maybe Lars would like to review the bidding on how Mussolini celebrated fascism, and how he ended up.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:38 pmyes because we know that Progressives are not only Marxist, but thanks to that idiot Jonah Goldberg, Fascist!
October 20th, 2008 at 1:39 pmGod. I’m sick and flucking *tired* of stupid and ugly people.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:39 pm“I laughed so hard I shit myself!”
America has always been about the individual. And conservatives really are about the individual.
How do back-door no-bid contracts, outsourcing, lack of basic concern for FELLOW Americans, torture, etc. show SUPPORT for the individual?
Stupid hypocritical regressive.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:39 pmWhere does Malkin live? I’m sure I could come up with a pitchfork and torch brigade if she really needs one.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:39 pmLARSON: No, fascism is about celebrating the country. America has always been about the individual. And conservatives really are about the individual. But saying we want to spread everybody’s wealth around and giving tax rebates to the 40 percent of Americans who don’t pay federal taxes, that’s Marxism.
Obviously, Larson is missing his brain. His definition of fascism is, of course, completely incorrect and overly simplified. And, by the way, corporations also are considered “individuals” under the law (sadly). They happen to be the individual that the Republicans “are all about.” In addition to calling tax breaks “rebates,” he also doesn’t understand the entire theory of Marxism. Just one more pathetic example of the stupid leading the stupid.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:42 pmConservatives aren’t Fascist??? WTF…like hell they aren’t.
They think they can just lie without anyone catching on, well, I guess those that watch Fux News aren’t smart enough to catch on….but the rest of us, not so much.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:43 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
a neighbors, a peers, someonewe agree with,
October 20th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
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Ugh. The typo fairy’s been visiting me a lot today. Sorry…
October 20th, 2008 at 1:44 pmtoasty, did she leave a quarter under your keyboard?
October 20th, 2008 at 1:44 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
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To conservatives, “the individual” refers to one of three people – me, myself, or I.
And multi-national corporations.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:45 pmhussein toasterhead Says: To conservatives, “the individual” refers to one of three people – me, myself, or I.
Clearly the only three people anyone should care about.
/sarc off
October 20th, 2008 at 1:45 pmAmerica has always been about the individual.
One making such a claim would have to be able to overlook the fact of the corporatization of the commons over the past century and a half…
Would, in other words, have to be lying.
Bringing into focus the question: why would one who lied so easily and prolifically not be rebutted in the immediate ionstance by ANYONE knowing anything about the history that Larson (e.g.) wants to erase?
October 20th, 2008 at 1:46 pmRUCerious Says:
toasty, did she leave a quarter under your keyboard?
October 20th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
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Pfff, yeah right… Now that she’s been privatized by the Bush Administration, she just leaves an invoice.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:46 pmshoeless Says:
me, myself, or I…
And multi-national corporations.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
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Ah, yes. Well, they’re just a subset of “myself.”
October 20th, 2008 at 1:48 pmtoasty, do the words ‘Blackwater Inc’ appear anywhere on that invoice?
October 20th, 2008 at 1:49 pmMalkin oozes racism out of every pore.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
yeah, she does…
which is, in at least one way, hi-fuuking-larious when you consider, as they say, “the source.” Michelle Malkin realizes the Murkin Dream: The anchor baby, who grew up full of ‘racial’ self-loathing, grows up to become a vitriolic voice for White racism.
Izzis a grate kunchry, or wutt…
October 20th, 2008 at 1:49 pmCONSERVATIVES ARE FASCIST PIGS!
CONSERVATIVES ARE FASCIST PIGS!
CONSERVATIVES ARE FASCIST PIGS!
There, now what are you going to do about THAT Larson?
October 20th, 2008 at 1:57 pmLars, after watching Bush socialize Wall St losses while Wall St privatizes it’s profits, I’d like to know how corporate socialism differs from tax cuts.
Corporate citizenship is bought & paid for by lobbyists. Are lobbyists socialists? Marxist, perhaps?
You, sir, are as dumb as Malkin & Bachmann.
And yes, that should be considered an insult…
October 20th, 2008 at 2:00 pmIn much the same way that night follows day, a desperate John McCain predictably played the “socialist” card against Barack Obama. Ratcheting up his recent scurrilous attacks that Obama’s tax cuts for working Americans constitute “welfare,” McCain in his Saturday radio address followed running mate Sarah Palin and Ohio Senator George Voinovich in branding Obama a socialist. Sadly for McCain, his thundering diatribe against refundable tax credits makes him a sworn enemy of his hero Ronald Reagan and, as it turns out, himself.
For the details, see:
October 20th, 2008 at 2:01 pm“McCain Blasts Reagan, Self as Socialist.”
Of course they can, Larry, they’re Republicans. Haven’t you figured out how this works yet?
October 20th, 2008 at 2:01 pmLARSON: No, fascism is about celebrating the country. America has always been about the individual. And conservatives really are about the individual.
Huh? I guess those Italian people in the closing days of WW2 were so fed up with “celebrating their country” that they felt an overwhelming need to string up Mussolini, his wife and their henchmen in the public square.
Lars needs to be stood in front of a chalkboard and forced to write the defintion of “fascism” until his chalky white fingers bleed.
Just saying
October 20th, 2008 at 2:03 pmHey, does anyone want to know what fascism REALLY looks like?
It looks like a mother being foreclosed out of the house she could no longer afford because her son was killed after serving in Iraq.
Now THAT is fascism.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:03 pmLars Larson is as dumb as a box of rocks, and an unending source of embarrassment to Oregonians.
When the administrator of Lane County decided to enforce a long standing rule prohibiting Christmas symbols in county office buildings—one which had long been ignored—Lars rode to Eugene to save Christmas. His childish local radio appearance would strangely be the precursor to later efforts by Bill O’Rielly and FOX News to ’save Christmas.’
He simply could not process the concept that this was not an assault on a holiday—religious or otherwise—but, simply the proper exercise of responsibility of a government manager who felt that the rule should be enforced, rather than ignored.
What a moron Lars is…
October 20th, 2008 at 2:06 pmThe nice lady over at firedoglake has a point that seems to me to be rather germane to this discussion. It’s about our country’s first progressive president and his “socialist” leanings.
Hint: He’s a Republican who fought for government regulation and against capitalist monopolistic hegemony, yet McSame credits him as being one of his idols. Tsk, tsk, Johnny, I didn’t realize you were a closet Marxist…
October 20th, 2008 at 2:11 pm1. noun (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
What’s not to celebrate? Hurray! Sieg Heil!
If it’s Marxist to believe in the redistribution of wealth, then Republicans are Marxists. They believe in class warfare: they just think that it’s the RICH who should win.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:12 pmRUCerious Says:
toasty, do the words ‘Blackwater Inc’ appear anywhere on that invoice?
October 20th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
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Nah, it was… I forget. Arbusto something. I thought it was some Salvadorian landscapers at first.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:16 pmsatirev Says:
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How about this: George Bush and his cadre of crooks on Wall Street have PUSHED US INTO SOCIALISM through the back door.
What they are doing isn’t socialism, it’s cronyism.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:27 pmthanks, impeach @ 1:36 pm …
here’s another meme to be looking for…
ed schultz has picked up on a theme from mcSHAME, and a heather wilson quote, about the record fundraising of obama…
October 20th, 2008 at 2:29 pm“look into” any problems, where does it come from? who?
are these legitimate donations? obama should open the records…
“he’s buying the white house”!
Shorter Lars Larson: America fascist.
Rush Limbaugh (”American exceptionalism!”), Michael Medved (”American DNA”), Dennis Prager (”American Judeo-Christian values), BO’R (”Americanism”), entire right-wing blogosphere (”American flag lapel pins”).
Nice to hear them finally come clean.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:31 pmNeoNuts a go-go!!
New shipment of KoolAide?? Better flavor?? New straws?? Still infused with NeoNutism….
Still frayed around the middle…hhumm….LIMP seems to be a good description..
October 20th, 2008 at 2:34 pmLARSON: “Fascism is about celebrating the country.”
It is, eh? Then it might sound like, ohh, this?
Rush Limbaugh, September 12, 2008
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091208/content/01125113.guest.html
So according to Lars Larson, Rush Limbaugh is a fascist.
I KNEW there was something about that Larson guy I liked!
October 20th, 2008 at 2:39 pmHoly shit, who is this cunt Michelle Malkin?
October 20th, 2008 at 2:42 pmI am so far to the left of Sen. Obama that if he is a Marxist, then I am Marx!
October 20th, 2008 at 2:45 pmstewie; Which Marx? Groucho? Chico? Harpo? Zeppo?
October 20th, 2008 at 2:45 pmUncle Ho Chi Minh?
That would be Karl Marx himself.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:50 pmHow does a person who does not pay taxes get a tax rebate?
October 20th, 2008 at 2:59 pmWhat 40% of Americans don’t pay taxes, because even with a $15,000 annual income, a family will still owe federal income tax, I believe?!
October 20th, 2008 at 3:00 pmIt seems liberals are so highly intellectual that they can only resort to name calling, four letter words, and threats. Unbelievable, you call conservatives selfish because they don’t want to financially support liberals?
October 20th, 2008 at 3:15 pmYes, Obama is socialist/Marxist, which most of you embrace anyway. If you are proud of the fact that you are Marxist and even more left than Obama – try China or Russia. I would say move to France, England, or Canada but as my good friends in those countries tell me, their governments are turning more conservative. So now call me racist, although my daughter-in-law and grandchildren are not caucasion and I adore them and I have friends and a nephew who are gay. I respect them and at least they have the intelligence to look at someone’s background, ethics, past record, and experience before voting. By the way, don’t you even know that the majority Dem’s with Pelosi at the helm, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Barney Frank are behind the financial crisis? A new idea! Research!
Red-baiting has worked in the past and I’ve long predicted that it would be employed against Obama. If and when Obama is elected POTUS one of the great successes of his campaign will be the final defeat of this divisive, McCarthyist tactic that has derailed the progressive movement for generations.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:20 pmRepublicans are all about individuals – They want to control every aspect of individual Human Beings’ lives. Anything that benefits individual Human Beings is Marxism.
But, Corporate Welfare is considered “free market” Capitalism.
Never been able to wrap my mind around the fact that so many Human Beings are willing to go along with that philosophy.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:33 pmwonderwoman2 Says:
It seems liberals are so highly intellectual that they can only resort to name calling, four letter words, and threats.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
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We don’t resort to name calling. We just point out the fact that you conservative idiots are, in fact, idiots.
October 20th, 2008 at 3:41 pmWow, wonderwoman2 hit the mother load of hypocrisy!
Attacking liberals because of name calling and threats, while she actually threatened and name called.
Seriously, you can’t make chit like this up.
Almost Trajanisc in content, without the capital L in leftist.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:00 pmThat MOVE TO RUSSIA talking point was SO 2004…get with the times.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:13 pmucsbclassics53 Says:
That MOVE TO RUSSIA talking point was SO 2004…get with the times.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
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Wasn’t that cute? It’s so funny how out of touch conservatives are – they still think China and Russia are Marxist.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:24 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
Wasn’t that cute? It’s so funny how out of touch conservatives are – they still think China and Russia are Marxist.
One should not be surprised. After all, they are conservatives. their thinking is a few decades if not centuries behind…
October 20th, 2008 at 4:26 pmI wonder about Wonderwoman2. I am really interested in that “research’part.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:55 pmThe only wonder about wonderwoman2 is that she doesn’t forget to breathe.
“I am not racist because one of my nephews is gay”? Russia is Marxist? Conservatives financially support liberals?
What planet did this wacko come from? WTF!?
October 20th, 2008 at 5:28 pm.
When Government controlls business, you get Communism.
When Government is controlled by business, you get Fascism.
RFK Jr
Q U E S T I O N:
Why do lobbyists rule legislators?
Why do Corporations write legislation?
Who benefits from extreme bailouts?
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October 20th, 2008 at 5:36 pm.
Dear Lars Larson,
Read THE 14 DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS…
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
And if reading is too difficult a comprehension activity, WATCH…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUdZnxtKR2A&feature=related
Too bad Lars, you’ve confused your rampant Nationalism with love of Country. GOT FLAG PINS???
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October 20th, 2008 at 5:41 pm73 – feigned outrage and faulty facts will get you everywhere, haughty lady.
October 20th, 2008 at 7:11 pmWell, I suppose there’s enough mis-use of labels on both sides to go around. Labels such as Marxist, socialist, fascist, etc., are really just shorthand for what people are trying to get across concerning their dislike of a particular group or ideology.
Progressives are just as guilty as concervatives of falling back on easy to use labels. The truth is much more nuanced and realistically, the application of labels, while we all engage in it, is counterproductive.
I think it’s fair to say that these days the United States is a real amalgam of ideologies. For example, We do not have a pure free-market based economy, but it’s not socialist either. We enjoy unprecedented freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution, but we’ve also allowed the government to abridge these freedoms.
So, it seems there’s room on both sides to discuss all issues without demonizing the opposite camp.
October 20th, 2008 at 8:45 pmI think Larry King is doing a slow burn about John McCain promising that his VP pick would go on his show and the McCain himself bailed out on King. When someone close to the McCain campaign appears on his show he is going to get a little sharper questioning from King. About all I can say to this is that it’s about time.
October 20th, 2008 at 9:47 pmActually, the definition of Fascism is identical to the definition of a Unitary Executive, come to think of it.
October 20th, 2008 at 11:44 pmLARSON: No, fascism is about celebrating the country. America has always been about the individual. And conservatives really are about the individual.
So when I see a vehicle with 25 American flags on it—they are not celebrating the country—they are celebrating the individual?!?
When someone gets attacked for not wearing a flagpin—the attacker is not celebrating the country—they are celebrating the individual?!?
Russia has not been communist since 1991. They have had an Al Capone style capitalism.
October 20th, 2008 at 11:54 pmAccording to McLoon and Palin, socialism is only for the ruling class, a la the $700B bailout of the Wall Street pigs. In contrast, McLoon and Palin offer only endless corporate fascism for the poor and the middle classes.
October 21st, 2008 at 12:32 amWonderwoman2 – “So now call me racist, although my daughter-in-law and grandchildren are not caucasion and I adore them and I have friends and a nephew who are gay.”
So you have to prove your not a racist or your not homophobic through your associations, why? No one cares you love “non-white” people or gay people. It’s not about who you know, it’s about what you think. It wouldn’t even cross my mind to give an example of someone I know who is…. It doesn’t make your case.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:00 pm