ThinkFast: October 22, 2008
ThinkFast: October 22, 2008
Some Al Qaeda affiliates are endorsing John McCain. “Al-Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming election,” said a commentary posted Monday on the extremist Web site al-Hesbah, which is closely linked to the terrorist group. It said McCain would continue the “failing march of his predecessor,” President Bush.
Reflecting recent comments made by Joe Biden, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said “terrorists may see the change to a new U.S. president over the next six months as a prime chance to attack, no matter who wins the White House.”
Yesterday, Senate Democrats subpoenaed Attorney General Michael Mukasey for “testimony and documents about the Justice Department’s legal advice to the White House on detention and interrogation policies since the 2001 terror attacks.” The Justice Department “blasted the subpoena as a partisan move.”
A new video of Rep. Randy Kuhl speaking in August shows the New York Republican saying that Democrats want “the American public to suffer and to hurt so that they can make some political gains at election time.” Kuhl is the latest conservative to use incendiary fear-mongering rhetoric against progressives.
13 days to go: Senators Barack Obama and Joe Biden are in Virginia and will be meeting with their Senior Working Group on National Security. John McCain is scheduled to begin his day meeting voters in Manchester, NH, and then heads to Ohio. Sarah Palin will spend the day campaigning in Ohio.
“More than 2 million children in the United States who have no health insurance of any kind have at least one parent who gets employer-provided medical coverage,” according to a new report in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Typically, these parents have coverage through work, but “cannot afford the extra thousands of dollars that may be needed for a plan that also covers their children.”
Contrary to convention wisdom, a new study finds that long wait times and overcrowding in the hospital emergency rooms are not caused by “uninsured people with minor ailments who want free treatment.” The study’s lead author, Dr. Manya Newton of the University of Michigan, said that the nation’s 46 million uninsured “are actually underrepresented in the emergency department.”
“In a sign of growing unease with the proposed security agreement between the United States and Iraq,” the Iraqi cabinet said yesterday that it would demand changes to the deal because many senior Iraqi officials worry “that the agreement left too much leeway for the Americans to stay in Iraq beyond the scheduled deadline for withdrawal in 2011.”
A state ballot measure to ban gay marriage in California — Proposition 8 — is gaining momentum, “with polls showing almost even odds of it passing after trailing by double digits a month ago.” “Initial polling showed that a majority of Californians were likely to vote against Proposition 8,” but now “the measure is favored 48% to 45% among likely voters questioned in an Oct. 17 poll by Survey USA.”
And finally: South Park Republicans are more than just a political theory. New Nielsen data show that “South Park” is, in fact, the show that most engages Republicans, followed by “Cash Cab” on the Discovery Channel and “Damages” on FX. For Democrats, “The Colbert Report” was no. 1, beating out Discovery’s “Deadliest Cash.”
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“Initial polling showed that a majority of Californians were likely to vote against Proposition 8,” but now “the measure is favored 48% to 45% among likely voters questioned in an Oct. 17 poll by Survey USA.”
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It appears that the myths spread by the fear-mongering religious right are gaining traction. People are actually believing that their church pastors are going to be required to perform gay marriages against their will, schoolchildren will receive indoctrination in the “gay lifestyle”, young people will be forced into homosexuality against their will, and heterosexual marriages will become a thing of the past as they all erode.
Hopefully polls like this will serve as a wake-up call for the proposition’s opponents. They still have almost two weeks.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:07 amSome Al Qaeda affiliates are endorsing John McCain. “Al-Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming election,” said a commentary posted Monday on the extremist Web site al-Hesbah, which is closely linked to the terrorist group. It said McCain would continue the “failing march of his predecessor,” President Bush.
Damn, even Al Qaeda is smarter than John McCain’s supporters…
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:09 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
Latest NBC News/WSJ Poll:
52 – 42 for Obama
Reich-wingers, start packing your bags. Cuba, your motherland, is calling you.
I think they would be happier in North Korea…
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:11 am“Some Al Qaeda affiliates are endorsing John McCain.”
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…but…but…but…I thought OBAMA was the terrorists’ candidate of choice! Isn’t this what the McCain camp has been trying to tell us?
Seriously, the zealots who want to see the destruction of the United States just love the way Bush has been making it happen ever since 9/11 (this is why no further attacks have been necessary — the damage has been working like a slow poison, helped by Bush policies). They see McCain as the guy who will carry on Bush’s work. Wanting McCain in the job is logical.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:12 amHomeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said “terrorists may see the change to a new U.S. president over the next six months as a prime chance to attack, no matter who wins the White House.”
The “Powers That Be” will remain in control, no matter who sits in the WH.
Just ask Biden, he agrees.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:13 amReflecting recent comments made by Joe Biden, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said “terrorists may see the change to a new U.S. president over the next six months as a prime chance to attack, no matter who wins the White House.”
The problem with being honest is that a large percent of the population cannot handle it.
They need to believe in the fairytales that some invisible man lovelingly created them, and is constantly protecting them from the bad people.
Telling they the truth only causes them to FREAK OUT, as many are now doing, even though Biden was certainly right.
We really need reality-based education in our coutry as part of our ‘change’ if we’re ever going to join the 21st century.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:14 amWhere are Obama’s lawyers that should be working on the voting machine errors or the invalidating of paper ballots? Talking about actual election fraud on DemocracyNow!
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:16 am‘Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said “terrorists may see the change to a new U.S. president over the next six months as a prime chance to attack, no matter who wins the White House.”
Ah, but whichterrorists?
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:17 am“Deadliest Cash”
I thought the “toxic mortgages” were just a metaphor…
O.o
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:17 amClearly, Al Qaeda understands, better than the hawks, how helpful the American occupation of Iraq is to their cause. Force and bullying do not win hearts and minds.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:18 amBet ya McCain could out spit a camel.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:18 amI’m sure every Republican in America is on his knees right now, praying for another big terror attack.
That’s how much the Right love America.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:20 amDr. Hussein Matt Says: This is worth repeating: Al-Qaeda supports McCain
Colin Powell endorses Obama and Al Qaeda endorses John McCain. I suppose that ends the debate on foreign/military policy judgment… Well, at least for the multiple brain celled folks.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:21 am“More than 2 million children in the United States who have no health insurance of any kind have at least one parent who gets employer-provided medical coverage,” according to a new report in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Typically, these parents have coverage through work, but “cannot afford the extra thousands of dollars that may be needed for a plan that also covers their children.”
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And as soon as that parent gets laid off, then nobody in the family has insurance.
The system is broken. Right now, the only way many people can afford health insurance is to get it from their employer, and then often can only afford to insure themselves instead of their whole family. Even that is tenuous, because more and more employers have to cut back their contribution to health benefits or eliminate them entirely because of costs. People stay in bad jobs because of health insurance. People stay in bad marriages because of a spouse’s health insurance.
Even under McCain’s plan, where Joe Citizen will get a $5,000 tax credit (where he might be able to afford insurance for his kids), that credit will be offset by having to pay taxes on the portion of premiums provided by Joe Citizens’s employer.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:22 amPerry logan Says: I’m sure every Republican in America is on his knees right now, praying for another big terror attack.
You mean Sarah “Taliban” Palin isn’t enough?
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:22 amAl Qaeda is ‘telegraphing their moves’. We finally ‘have them right where we want them’!
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:23 ammisshusseinmolly Says: The system is broken. Right now, the only way many people can afford health insurance is to get it from their employer, and then often can only afford to insure themselves instead of their whole family.
My married co-workers with children pay $500 a month for health insurance – and that’s the discounted price with the college kicking in the other half. All it gives them is a 20% discount on their medical needs.
We do not have health care in America.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:26 amSome Al Qaeda affiliates are endorsing John McCain.
Ok, now let’s see if the MSM gives this the same coverage they gave to Hamas supposedly endorsing Obama………Crickets……
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:27 amOh… well, I guess it IS o.k. to ask about McCain/Palin’s ties to terrorist organizations. Silly uckin me.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:28 amHomeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said “terrorists may see the change to a new U.S. president over the next six months as a prime chance to attack, no matter who wins the White House.”
Uh oh, Chertoff didn’t get his GOP talking points!
Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
Colin Powell endorses Obama and Al Qaeda endorses John McCain
Thanks! Laughter is just what the Doctor ordered!
PEACE
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:28 amDr. Hussein Matt Says: Colin Powell endorses Obama and Al Qaeda endorses John McCain
Don’t think I’m not saying that to every conservative I know :)
The rest of us might be too angry to be afraid any more, but the die-hard cons around here are still wetting their pants over the idea that Osama is ready to pounce again.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:29 amHomeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said “terrorists may see the change to a new U.S. president over the next six months as a prime chance to attack, no matter who wins the White House.
Oh dear, there goes the latest Right Wing Troll talking point. Darn, the McCain campaign just can’t catch a break, can they. But, the hole they are in is all of their making. And they are still digging.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:29 amYesterday, Senate Democrats subpoenaed Attorney General Michael Mukasey for “testimony and documents about the Justice Department’s legal advice to the White House on detention and interrogation policies since the 2001 terror attacks.” The Justice Department “blasted the subpoena as a partisan move.”
Well, since the Justice Department is supposed to be non-partisan, I fail to see how this could be a partisan move.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:30 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Well, since the Justice Department is supposed to be non-partisan, I fail to see how this could be a partisan move.
Sheesh. Anything done by Democrats is “partisan”. Anything done by Republicans is “reaching across the aisle.”
I thought you understood the basics!
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 amMind you, health insurance (at least the kind the “average Jane Sixpack” gets) is usually very poor. Co-pays and deductables (and all the things that are NOT covered by your plan) add up very quickly. Fact is that only in extreme cases does anyone actually benefit from their insurance: most of the money that you “save” by having insurance pay on the bill is not balanced by the amount you pay to the insurance company over a year. insurance is a huge industry because the vast majority of people do not receive benefits that meet or exceed their yearly payments. And of course the corrupt costs of all things medical do not help the matter. It would be CHEAPER to have socialized medecine (”socialism” is NOT synonomous with “evil”). I mean, for the repugs who are intent on keeping their every dime, it is ludicrous that they cannot see that socialized medecine would save them, personally, thousands of dollars per year. And give them health care.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 am#BearCountry Says:
Where are Obama’s lawyers that should be working on the voting machine errors or the invalidating of paper ballots? Talking about actual election fraud on DemocracyNow!
Don’t worry, they are on it. Obama has recruited thousands of lawyers across the nation to take these problems head-on. I know because my daughter is one of them! Early voting is turning out to be a boom for the Democrats because the Republican dirty tricks are rearing their ugly heads in enough time to get them addressed before the final day of voting.
I have a question. Why is it that voting machines never flip votes in favor of Democrats when they “malfunction”?
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 amSo much for the maverick “Reformer” who is going to change Washington. Looks like the last 6 weeks of power has already corrupted McCain’s new girlfriend:
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:39 am
BearCountry Says: “Where are Obama’s lawyers…”
I gather they are all over the place at the moment. But the voting machine issue is something they can’t do much about in immediate practical terms. By rights the machines should have been re-engineered years ago, or else discarded.
What the lawyers can do that should have a more immediate effect, is to prevent illegitimate challenges, organized misdirection and intimidation.
There have already been reports of malfunctioning machines in early voting states which of course extend the time it takes to vote (a CNN reporter encountered a 3-hour line at one station).
A massive turnout is the only thing I can think of that will mitigate and expose manipulation of the vote. A lot of governerships went to Dems in 2006 so that should be a big help, assuming of course that they have made an effort regarding their voting systems.
There’s some hope in the fact that Democrats did gain significant ground in 2006 ( why wouldn’t the Republicans want to prevent that, back then?),
With Obama’s ground teams (read about them at fivethirtyeight, they are highly organized and well staffed) and outfits like C&L, Think Progress, Act Blue and many others and a somewhat more attentive media these days feedback from the polls will be much faster than in 2000 or 2004 as a lot of it will be internet based. Of course the MSM will be slower than they should be to react or report but it still should be an improvement.
That’s not to say the eventual vote count will be at all accurate (I;m sure the true margin of victory will be much higher than the official tally) but the win should still be obvious, if the turnout is there.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:39 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
Even under McCain’s plan, where Joe Citizen will get a $5,000 tax credit (where he might be able to afford insurance for his kids), that credit will be offset by having to pay taxes on the portion of premiums provided by Joe Citizens’s employer.
Another “inconvenient truth” about McCain’s plan is that the $5,000 allotment is not indexed for inflation. So, within a couple of years of rising health insurance costs, it will be worthless.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:44 amFor the fun of it: South Park engages repubs ?
I’ll admit the show is funny. But it is alwo rather vile. Not exactly Family Values.
I don’t get it
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:44 amCageyCretin Says: It would be CHEAPER to have socialized medecine (”socialism” is NOT synonomous with “evil”).
If socialism is good enough for the world’s most powerful military, then it should be good enough for medicine.
For-profit medicine is the real evil.
I also notice that not one single Republican in Congress or the White House has rejected national health care in order to buy their own private insurance policy.
Socialism means ’state owned’. In a Democracy, the people are the state. We should support ‘people-owned’ systems, as they clearly work for the people.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:44 amSo, question for those more intelligent than I: say there is a difficulty with voting (harrassment, machine won’t work properly and the staff are unhelpful, etc.), is there a number to call about that? Is there an agency to contact?
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:44 amThe Justice Department “blasted the subpoena as a partisan move.”
If the subpoean had no legal merit or foundation, the DOJ could and should argue that point. Instead the DOJ, by claiming the subpoena is politically motivated, is revealing it;s own partisan political colors.
The subpoena has been issued only because Mukasey has refused to co-operate in the investigation by invitation, ergo he is being legally compelled to do so.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:46 am“Yesterday, Senate Democrats subpoenaed Attorney General Michael Mukasey for “testimony and documents about the Justice Department’s legal advice to the White House on detention and interrogation policies since the 2001 terror attacks.” The Justice Department “blasted the subpoena as a partisan move.””
The DOJ official’s OPINION that the issuance of a subpoena is partisan is NOT does not change the fact that there is a growing mountain of damning evidence that the WH BROKE THE MOTHER EFFING LAW!!!!!!
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:46 amunbelievable Says:
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misshusseinmolly Says: The system is broken. Right now, the only way many people can afford health insurance is to get it from their employer, and then often can only afford to insure themselves instead of their whole family.
My married co-workers with children pay $500 a month for health insurance – and that’s the discounted price with the college kicking in the other half. All it gives them is a 20% discount on their medical needs.
We do not have health care in America.
**I have posted this before. My spouse gets our health insurance from employer. We are empty-nesters but must still buy “family” coverage because the employer only offers family or employee only coverage. Next year our share goes up to about $750-800 a month. Add our copays for prescriptions, physical therapy and all my office visits – I have been fighting an injury for over a year – and we pay $1000 a month for health care. This is outrageous. When our insurance was at first not authorizing a refill for one of my prescriptions, I discovered that I would have to pay $180 for it. Our entire system needs to be changed. Single payer with costs capped. I wonder how much of our costs are paying for THEIR mistakes?
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:47 am#unbelievable Says:
Since her selection as John McCain’s running mate, the Republican National Committee spent more than $150,000 on clothing and make-up for Gov. Sarah Palin, her husband, and even her infant son, it was reported on Tuesday evening.
And do you see that splashed all over the MSM the way John Edward’s $400 haircut was? And how about the $5,000 a session makeup artist that McCain uses to make him look like he is not dead?
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:47 amIf everyone agrees to keep it private, I’ll admit that I intend to beat ClusterTim to within inches of his life if he doesn’t cut the crap…
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:49 am“cannot afford the extra thousands of dollars that may be needed for a plan that also covers their children.”
America is the only developed country in the world that has this problem. Every other one has everyone covered and spends half or less what we spend.
Misshusseinmolly, some people whose children need expensive care, have to stay unemployed so they can get Medicaid to cover it.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:56 amAnd the beat goes on Says: I wonder how much of our costs are paying for THEIR mistakes?
And how much for profit, if they are ‘maximizing profits’ so their fat stock holders can afford a 17th car and a 12th house?
$1000 a month for health care is ridiculous. It’s why I pay out-of-pocket. Barring some catastrophe, it’s cheaper than paying the premiums, co-pays and other nonsense that I paid when I had insurance coverage at $100 a month with high dedictibles and $50 co-pays.
We’re all one medical catastrophe away from poverty and/or bankruptcy. Sounds like a third-world country to me.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:58 amMapleStreet Says: “For the fun of it: South Park engages repubs?
I don’t get it”.
I suspect what they ‘get’ is very selective. They identify with Cartman. The police and government are incompetent. The lids are ‘independent’. And don’t forget the violence.
Personally I disagree with some of the preaching some of the time, but South Park does a great job of pointing out the absurd in so many areas of life and society.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:58 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says: And do you see that splashed all over the MSM the way John Edward’s $400 haircut was? And how about the $5,000 a session makeup artist that McCain uses to make him look like he is not dead?
Maybe after we e-mail it to everyone we know, and some people talk about it on the Cafferty File :)
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:58 am…the Republican National Committee spent more than $150,000 on clothing and make-up for Gov. Sarah Palin, her husband, and even her infant son.
SO? Cindy McCain spent over $300,000 on ONE outfit to wear at the RNC Convention.
I guess it just goes to show that Palin is still a ’snowbilly’, and doesn’t rate the expensive outfits the McCains do, eh?
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:58 amZimzone Says: SO? Cindy McCain spent over $300,000 on ONE outfit to wear at the RNC Convention.
Well, McCain bought her own outfit, Palin took donation money from ‘joe sixpacks’ to pay for her European wardrobe that costs more than most people spend on clothing in a lifetime. So much for bing one of us…
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:05 amBECAUSE IT BEARS REPEATING
Thank you unbelievable, that was unbelievably well put.
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:14 am#48,Good point, unbelievable.
Maybe it was ‘Joe the Plumber’ who’s been buying her outfits for her & her kids, and that’s why he can’t afford to pay his own taxes under McCain’s plan.
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 amThe McCain campaign: ‘Made in America & owned by China’
Wow! I could live quite nicely for 15 year’s on what they spent on falin palin just for clothe’s..How crazy is that…Blessings
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:19 amThat picture is just begging for a Caption Contest.
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:27 amZooey @ 52
“UUHHHHHHHHHHH-ARGH!!! Oh yeah, that was an epic crap. Thanks, Depends!”
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:33 amGood morning Lady Z, good to read you here….Blessings
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:33 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
People stay in bad marriages because of a spouse’s health insurance.
I will be experiencing a 400% increase in my health insurance premiums, under COBRA, after my divorce next week. I’m not sure how long I’ll be able to afford it. Since I’m self-employed, the best-case is I have insurance for 18 more months. After that, it is unlikely any insurance company will touch me with my pre-existing conditions. I am screwed unless the politicians actually get off their collective asses and do something about healthcare in this country.
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:41 am#55 Exit, know what your going through..I was laid off and cobra wanted $300 a month to cover me, was unemployed for a year with no insurance and then retired early because there were no job’s.Because I retired at 62 I had to wait 3 more year’s with out any insurance before medacare would kick in…All that after I had a heart attack and triple bypass while on insurance, found out it should of been a quad when I wasen’t insured..Any time I was sick had to go to a local clinic and pay out of pocket..A nightmare…I hope it improve’s soon….Blessings
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:54 amCaption contest: Ooooh Sarah…Don’t stop…It will be up any minute now.
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:54 amMost excellent, ESL. ;)
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:57 amExit Stage Left Says
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:54 am
Caption contest: Ooooh Sarah…Don’t stop…It will be up any minute now.
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Darn, you beat me to it. Mine was going to be “Easy with the teeth, Sarah…”
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:58 amMiss Molly: I’ll be happy to share the prize money with you..Let me get my calculator…..nuffin times point 5 is…….damn…..it’s still nuffin :)~
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 amDiscovery’s “Deadliest CATCH”. In light of recent Repub shenanigans in Alaska and elsewhere, “Deadliest Cash” might be an intersting show though…
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:10 amHow bad is this? Both the insured AND uninsured having trouble with “managed” health care and related costs! It’s hard to imagine what McCain’s deregulation what do to this problem. Deregulation=welfare windfall profits for those who need it the least. I guess in theory deregulation might work — until you throw greedy business practices in the mix. Let’s see – energy, oil, health care, media. It’s hard for me NOT to support nationalizing all of it and regulating them all.
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:13 amCindy caption: **smirk** I wonder how long it’ll take her to realize she’s wasting her time down there.
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:18 amMissmolly: Even under McCain’s plan, where Joe Citizen will get a $5,000 tax credit (where he might be able to afford insurance for his kids), that credit will be offset by having to pay taxes on the portion of premiums provided by Joe Citizens’s employer.
Hi miss molly. What is a “Cadillac insurance policy”, the type of insurance that McCain vows only to tax, if I heard him right? Is it true that McCain wants to tax health premiums/plans worth $12,000+ more per year? If the tax is based on the terms of the plan, how would the tax be tabulated come April 15th? More complicated forms, antithetical to the so-called “bureaucratic nightmare” by the GOP honchos? If the tax is based only on the cost, I would imagine that more families are actually paying $12,000 per year on their coverage for whatever reason.
And since when is covering transplants a “Cadillac policy”? Isn’t this exactly what health insurance is for, covering major procedures and protecting families from financial ruin?
If John McCain pledges to raise no one’s taxes, why is he even thinking about raising taxes on health insurance? He complains it’s not a good time to be raising taxes. Well, then why is he levying taxes on health care at a time when it’s the #1 cause of bankruptcy?
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:22 am______
unbelievable Says:
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Reflecting recent comments made by Joe Biden, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said “terrorists may see the change to a new U.S. president over the next six months as a prime chance to attack, no matter who wins the White House.”
The problem with being honest is that a large percent of the population cannot handle it.
They need to believe in the fairytales that some invisible man lovelingly created them, and is constantly protecting them from the bad people.
Telling they the truth only causes them to FREAK OUT, as many are now doing, even though Biden was certainly right.
We really need reality-based education in our coutry as part of our ‘change’ if we’re ever going to join the 21st century.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:14 am
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That’s not a very nice characterization of Biden and Obama, both of whom are Christians.
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:24 amWitch, so sorry about your major health problems. I hope that, despite our capitalist hell hole of a system, you’re making a full recovery.
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:30 amthis morning from zogby regarding obama’s lead over mcsame:
These numbers, if they hold, are blowout numbers. They fit the 1980 model with Reagan’s victory over Carter — but they are happening 12 days before Reagan blasted ahead. If Obama wins like this we can be talking not only victory but realignment.
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h/t glenn greenwald, salon.com
:)
btw – greenwald points out that zogby is
considered the most pro mcsame pollster.
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good luck.
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October 22nd, 2008 at 11:34 ammorning uppy,
how you doing?
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joe cantwell Says:
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morning uppy,
how you doing?
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October 22nd, 2008 at 11:34 am
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Fantastic, joe. ;)
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:43 amIt’s Deadliest Catch, not Cash
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:44 amupright left Says:
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joe cantwell Says:
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morning uppy,
how you doing?
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October 22nd, 2008 at 11:34 am
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Fantastic, joe. ;)
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don’t ya just
love that zogby poll?
:)
“blowout numbers”!
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October 22nd, 2008 at 11:46 amjoe cantwell Says:
don’t ya just
love that zogby poll?
:)
“blowout numbers”!
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October 22nd, 2008 at 11:46 am
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I sure do. It seems a little more certain now that Obama will win.
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:48 amupright left Says:
hey uprightie, want to tell us what you think of the pentagon spending 50,000 dollars for a portrait of rummy who was fired in disgrace. Since when do we put up pictures of failed leaders?
the link
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:54 amuppy,
i’m a little worried about trace.
let’s not tell him about the
zogby poll for now, ok?
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October 22nd, 2008 at 11:55 am______
Fred Says:
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upright left Says:
hey uprightie, want to tell us what you think of the pentagon spending 50,000 dollars for a portrait of rummy who was fired in disgrace. Since when do we put up pictures of failed leaders?
the link
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:54 am
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I think it’s ridiculous for any govt agency to spend that much tax money on a portrait of anyone. If they feel the need to have portraits of the Secretaries of Defense, they should call in one of the photogs who are always on hand to snap a photo.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:06 pm______
joe cantwell Says:
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uppy,
i’m a little worried about trace.
let’s not tell him about the
zogby poll for now, ok?
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October 22nd, 2008 at 11:55 am
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Oh, go ahead. The sooner the reality sets in, the better.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:08 pmWell I don’t like the money wasted either but I am more offended by the fact that they are honoring a man who was fired in disgrace.
I am sick of the right trying to make hero’s out of disgraced republicans like rummy and raygun, wolfie and well, here’s a little list of fallen future hero’s of the right:
There are more that are recent to add to the list.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:16 pmWhy are these honored traitors never progressives, always republicans like ollie north who betrayed America and lied to congress.
I don’t understand why the right clings to such losers.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:17 pm______
Fred Says:
Well I don’t like the money wasted either but I am more offended by the fact that they are honoring a man who was fired in disgrace.
I am sick of the right trying to make hero’s out of disgraced republicans like rummy and raygun, wolfie and well, here’s a little list of fallen future hero’s of the right:
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:16 pm
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Ah, the hero thing. There are very few people to whom I would apply that word, especially among those in politics. No argument there.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:19 pmMcWars, that was a few year’s back when I had the bypass,..Doing fairly well now considering..Never did go back in and likely will not.Told them I was not a car with a hood they could lift at their leisure to fix what they neglected the first time…If I were to go in now even with medacare my part would be unafordable…Right now I pay $98 a month, deducted from my S.S. and another $30 for the prescription thingie..That will go up again with a tiny increase of the S.S this year..That’s what they did last year, give us a $24 doller increase and then hike the insurance that nearly wipe’s it out….I pay co-pay’s at the clinic and for priscription’s as well..Don’t go in unless I am really sick..The other thing I we have a cap on the pharmacy thing and every month my little med is deducted so before long when I really need it I will be in the “donut hole part where I will have to pay all med’s out of pocket…What a gimmick…Everyoe is getting screwed except the insurance provider’s….Thank’s for you concern…Blessings
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:29 pmupright left Says:
You sound different today. Are you trying to distance yourself from the right now? Bill Oliely was on the view this morning and he was distancing himself from them too.
What is it about just wanting to be on the winning side with you guys? Don’t you really believe what you have been saying all this time?
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:31 pm______
Fred Says:
Why are these honored traitors never progressives, always republicans like ollie north who betrayed America and lied to congress.
I don’t understand why the right clings to such losers.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:17 pm
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I’ve never seen a definitive study of the ratio of Dem to Repub scandals. It may well be that a preponderance of them are Repub. I do know that there are plenty of disgraced Dems as well. Perhaps you just don’t want to acknowledge them or consider their scandals to be less serious. I’m no cheerleader for either party. A fair portion of both are corrupt, and many of those who aren’t down right dishonest are self serving. Dishonesty among politicians preceded the Repub takeover and will remain when the Repubs are gone.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:33 pm______
Fred Says:
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upright left Says:
You sound different today. Are you trying to distance yourself from the right now? Bill Oliely was on the view this morning and he was distancing himself from them too.
What is it about just wanting to be on the winning side with you guys? Don’t you really believe what you have been saying all this time?
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
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About which issue do you think I’ve changed my opinion? I’ve never supported McCain. I support Obama, even though I disagree with him on a number of issues, because McCain is unacceptable. My views remain the same. It’s that “us against them” attitude of the extreme right and left that makes it difficult for you to understand.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:40 pmMcWars Says
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:22 am
Hi miss molly. What is a “Cadillac insurance policy”, the type of insurance that McCain vows only to tax, if I heard him right? Is it true that McCain wants to tax health premiums/plans worth $12,000+ more per year?
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As I understand it, McCain’s plan would give you a tax credit ($2,500 for individuals, $5,000 for families) for you to shop around for the best insurance plan you can find. Of course, the average health insurance plan now costs about $12,000 a year, so you would have to make up the difference out of your pocket. And, of course, this is IF you can find an insurer who will insure you (many people have pre-existing conditions that preclude them from all but the expensive high-risk pools). Furthermore, you can’t get a $5,000 “tax credit” unless your total IRS tax liability is at least that much. Just as you can’t list a deduction that exceeds what you earn, you can’t claim a credit that exceeds what you’re paying.
The flip side of the plan (and how McCain plans to pay for it) is that if you currently get your health insurance paid for by your employer, that benefit to you will now be taxed as income, whether it’s a “Cadillac” policy or not. So you’re basically given a tax credit with one hand, and being taxed by the other.
And last but not least — there’s no provision in the plan to take care of spiraling health care costs. $5,000 today might make a dent, but in a few years, it will be a joke.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:40 pmYou know Witch, besides being around for family, is there any joy in living to be ripe n’ old these days? More often, in order to have a dignified retirement you have to put away a greater share of earnings while young. And even then, between the medical costs, the long-term care, the prescription drug costs, nobody can keep up any more except the top 5%.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:45 pmYeah, we’ve always had people who lied at the un to get us into an unnessessary war.
We’ve always had people who lied to us and told us it was just a few bad apples when in reality they had inplemented a new policy that condones torture.
we’ve always had people who promise us that tax cuts and deregulation would usher in a new period of prospertity…..still waiting for that one to kick in by the way…..oh yeah, we have had that one before…
I don’t think you can compare what has happened in the last 8 years to anything that has ever happened in America past or future(hopefully).
You are right in one respect, there are some bad democrats. For one, they are petty thieves compared to the bush admin and his gang of crooks.
The difference is, we despise them and get rid of them. The right defends them.
Why is it that you never hear of a progressive turning his back on his lifelong beliefs and activities. Why is it only conservatives who reject thier lifestyles at the end of their lives. See lee attwater and george wallace and maybe even colon powell.
Why do you suppose that is, could it be that they knew all along that they were doing wrong and just couldn’t live with it anymore?
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:46 pmFor-profit medicine is the real evil.
Senator Max Baucus D-Montana accepted major donations from eight for-profit healthcare companies with no. as in zero, facilities in his state.
Max won’t accept e-mails from people outside his geographic area, but will take checks from companies with no physical presence in Big Sky country.
Whatever reform gets pursued (after the ever growing Big Money Boy Bailout), Max will watch out for his for-profit buds.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:49 pmBingo missmolly, thanks for taking your time to explain it to me.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:53 pmposted on thread:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/31/troubling-flawed-dangerous-telling/
post #38
Guess you can’t see why I was confused on where you stand.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:55 pmOff the MSNBC wire:
“McCain asks N.H. for one more comeback win”
Robert Zimmerman replies:
“You got a lotta nerve, to say you are my friend!”
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:11 pm______
Fred Says:
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upright left Says:
Dishonesty among politicians preceded the Repub takeover and will remain when the Repubs are gone.
Yeah, we’ve always had people who lied at the un to get us into an unnessessary war.
We’ve always had people who lied to us and told us it was just a few bad apples when in reality they had inplemented a new policy that condones torture.
we’ve always had people who promise us that tax cuts and deregulation would usher in a new period of prospertity…..still waiting for that one to kick in by the way…..oh yeah, we have had that one before…
I don’t think you can compare what has happened in the last 8 years to anything that has ever happened in America past or future(hopefully).
You are right in one respect, there are some bad democrats. For one, they are petty thieves compared to the bush admin and his gang of crooks.
The difference is, we despise them and get rid of them. The right defends them.
Why is it that you never hear of a progressive turning his back on his lifelong beliefs and activities. Why is it only conservatives who reject thier lifestyles at the end of their lives. See lee attwater and george wallace and maybe even colon powell.
Why do you suppose that is, could it be that they knew all along that they were doing wrong and just couldn’t live with it anymore?
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:46 pm
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Knowing that, in your mind, Dem = good and Repub = bad, I’ll not waste my time pointing out all the generalities in your comment. I’ll just add one of my own. People tend to become more conservative with age. I’ve seen, on more than one occasion here, posters who defend Dems involved in scandals, often by pointing out a Repub scandal. Far lefties and far righties are very similar in that respect. I’m not aware of any great wave of conservatives who have turned their backs on long held beliefs. If a person does come to the conclusion that they’ve been wrong (Wallace), should they not change?
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:14 pmI really don’t think Colin Powell’s support for Obama means he has suddenly become a progressive. Similarly, none of my views have changed. I choose the better candidate, which in this case is the Dem. Not all of us vote a straight ticket.
WitchyOne @#80
what a sick effed up system we have to punish the elders in our society we should be revering and honoring…
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:15 pmUprightLeft ~ I too, vote the candidate, not party. But this year it’s damned difficult to find a Republican candidate who hasn’t been complicit with the Bush administration trashing this country for the last 8 years.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:18 pm______
Fred Says:
Guess you can’t see why I was confused on where you stand.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:55 pm
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So you think I’m a liberal because I’m voting for Obama? Perish the thought! As I noted above, Obama is the better candidate even considering the issues on which I disagree with him. Do you think you have to change all your views to match the person for whom you are voting?
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:23 pm______
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UprightLeft ~ I too, vote the candidate, not party. But this year it’s damned difficult to find a Republican candidate who hasn’t been complicit with the Bush administration trashing this country for the last 8 years.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:18 pm
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Definitely too few. And a few Dems bear that responsibility as well.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:28 pmupright left, so now you’re portraying yourself as what, and independant moderate? I have seen your posts, they don’t reflect what you claim today.
You have made plenty of extreme right statements here…..why do you guys forget that things you say here are a matter of record?
Does this really sound like something an independant moderate would say?
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:31 pm
When you go from supporting bush to supporting Obama I would say yes.
I am glad you have changed your tack though. Obama is a much better choise.
Al Gore was a better choice and John Kerry was a better choice too.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:34 pm______
Fred Says:
Does this really sound like something an independant moderate would say?
upright left Says:
Sorry, scum, population control is a loonie liberal concept.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:31 pm
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I’m an independent because I don’t vote any party line. I absolutely tend more toward conservatism. I still think population control ideas are more common from loonie libs, LaBruzzo notwithstanding. I think abortion is wrong, but don’t advocate outlawing it. I think everyone should have access to decent healthcare, but I don’t want the govt employing all the doctors. I want the govt to have all the tools they need to investigate those suspected of terrorism even if it inconveniences me. I don’t want them to have any more power than they need to do so. I don’t agree with a majority of either party, therefore I’m an independent. Political affiliation is determined by a range of issues, not two or three.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:49 pm______
Fred Says:
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upright left Says:
Do you think you have to change all your views to match the person for whom you are voting?
When you go from supporting bush to supporting Obama I would say yes.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:34 pm
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That’s an interesting idea you have there.
Gore and Kerry were lousy choices just as McCain is.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:52 pmcagey – REMEMBER THIS PHONE NUMBER
1-866-OUR-VOTE
October 22nd, 2008 at 2:35 pmYeah right, Gore would have been a bad choice compared to bush. Guess you think we would be in Iraq and in a financial recession if Gore had taken office instead of bush.
Guess you think our national debt would still be 10 trillion if gore had gotten elected. Remember, the debt clock was running backwards and we had a surplus when bush took office.
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:00 pmupright left, Fred are you two done publically arguing yet! I taught my children that the adult in the room is the one who knows when to be quiet, or as Bill O likes to say “shut up!”. The true answer to both your arguments is it’s the American People’s fault period. They are entirely responsible for each and every politician elected since the country was founded. And each of those politicians is in turn an American citizen.
Dripping sarcasm alert!
I mean really is there nothing more important than terrorists supporting John McCain and terrorists hanging out with Barak Obama. Nothing can be more important than ACORN tearing apart the fabric of Democracy. I think everyone should be up in arms and demanding the resurrection of the House Unamerican Activities Committee. And what about Putin watching those poor Alaska crab fisherman, from Deadliest Catch, in the Bering Sea. Joe the Plumber is always way more important than Bill The Marine amputee or John the homeless GI. Who really cares about anything else.
I’m just waiting for an ad from a 527 called Swift Boat “Real Virginians” for “Real Americans”
End Dripping Sarcasm alert!
Wanna have your say go vote on election day!
October 22nd, 2008 at 4:40 pmYou’re what we call a low information voter. You don’t even know what you’re talking about when you do chime in.
Show us facts where acorn has had someone arrested for a crime……can’t, well then you are talking out of your ass then. gop operative arrested yesterday doing what you, without proof, accuse acorn of doing…..
please know what you are talking about before posting irrational bullcrap here or anywhere.
October 22nd, 2008 at 5:54 pm______
upnorth Says:
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upright left, Fred are you two done publically arguing yet! I taught my children that the adult in the room is the one who knows when to be quiet, or as Bill O likes to say “shut up!”. The true answer to both your arguments is it’s the American People’s fault period. They are entirely responsible for each and every politician elected since the country was founded. And each of those politicians is in turn an American citizen.
Dripping sarcasm alert!
I mean really is there nothing more important than terrorists supporting John McCain and terrorists hanging out with Barak Obama. Nothing can be more important than ACORN tearing apart the fabric of Democracy. I think everyone should be up in arms and demanding the resurrection of the House Unamerican Activities Committee. And what about Putin watching those poor Alaska crab fisherman, from Deadliest Catch, in the Bering Sea. Joe the Plumber is always way more important than Bill The Marine amputee or John the homeless GI. Who really cares about anything else.
I’m just waiting for an ad from a 527 called Swift Boat “Real Virginians” for “Real Americans”
End Dripping Sarcasm alert!
Wanna have your say go vote on election day!
October 22nd, 2008 at 4:40 pm
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Publicly arguing? Heaven forbid! What do you expect since you hadn’t arrived to tell everyone what the real issues are? I’m sure you’ve done a fine job teaching your children the value you place on their opinions. Although, I really hope you don’t tell them to shut up.
My main point wasn’t who is at fault, but that we are allowed to vote for whomever we choose, even if we disagree with the candidate on a number of issues. Some folks here seem to have a problem with that concept.
And that “dripping sarcasm alert” thing? That’s just too cute. ;)
October 22nd, 2008 at 6:07 pmCaption: “I came.”
October 22nd, 2008 at 7:17 pmhere is one for u to think about,C.H.A.N.G.E (Come Help a Nigga Get Elected or EVEN) could it be. i dont know i just heard it. what do u think.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:54 pm