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Rove And Kristol Fault Disloyal, Ill-Serving Campaign Staff For McCain’s Struggles

Today, the New York Times Magazine features a long article about the infighting and finger-pointing within the McCain campaign. Yesterday, reports surfaced that Gov. Sarah Palin is a “diva” who “takes no advice from anyone” and might be going “rogue.” Meanwhile, more and more conservatives are trying to separate themselves from Sen. John McCain with as much speed as they distance themselves from President Bush.

Today on Fox News Sunday, “master strategist” Karl Rove joined the finger-pointing, blaming the McCain staff for being “undisciplined” and expressing insufficient “loyalty” for McCain:

ROVE: We saw it in the Clinton campaign, and now we’re seeing it in the McCain campaign, where before the election is totaled up, before the votes are all cast, before the decision is made, people start pointing fingers and blaming each other. It is a sign of undisciplined people who do not have the loyalty that they ought to have to the candidate whom they’re serving. And it’s — it’s a sad sight to see. Nobody makes themselves look good by this process.

Later in the show, right-wing columnist Bill Kristol blamed McCain staffers for “ill-serving” Palin by mishandling the story about spending $150,000 on new designer clothes for her. “The staff has not served her well by hiding her and not having confidence,” he said. Watch both clips here:

It makes sense that Kristol is trying to direct blame onto staffers and away from Palin: after all, McCain insiders have credited Kristol with convincing them to go with Palin to begin with. The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer said Kristol was “the most ardent promoter” of Palin, repeatedly talking up her electoral prowess on Fox News and urging McCain to choose her for vice president.

Some recent polls have shown her selection to be a bigger drag on McCain’s campaign than Bush.



91 Responses to “Rove And Kristol Fault Disloyal, Ill-Serving Campaign Staff For McCain’s Struggles”

  1. Bozo The Neoclown says:

    and i site the fact they’re running two incompetent boobs on the coattails of an utter failure. i figure my words have as much relevency as rove’s and kristol’s these days


  2. Jim Wolf359 says:

    Like rats jumping off a sinking ship. The implosion of the McCain campaign and the Retuglican Party should be fun to watch.


  3. Another Joe says:

    What this just goes to show is that rove, kristol, and the lying liars that directly represent dur chimpfurher are not the “geniuses” we have been told all along.

    Just another distraction, brought to you by the same lying liars that told us Sadam had WMD, that Iraq was somehow involved in 9/11, and that Iraq posed an “imminent threat” to the United states.

    The folks that brought us dur chimpfurher know better than to stand in front of the cameras – the criminal cabal behind this administration understands that you have to be very quiet when you steal.

    Folks like rove and kristol are just the public mouthpieces – they actually know little and are wholly incapable of:

    *organizing the theft of 2000 and 2004 elections
    *”catapulting the propaganda” – that takes a willing and compliant media that dutifully repeats the lies, creating an “echo chamber”
    *putting enough lipstick on the repug/neocon pig to make is acceptable to the vast majority of Americans – hence, point 1, election theft.


  4. barfly says:

    Wallace should’ve asked: Isn’t this indicative of how a potential McCain administration would operate? He’s had over four months to get the campaign running smoothly, and on-message, and this has been the result. Would a McCain administration be able to hit the ground running, with such a campaign staff, how could americans believe his transition staff wouldn’t be of similar caliber?

    Is that a presidency Americans require, in these perilous times?


  5. katy says:

    ROVE: We saw it in the Clinton campaign, and now we’re seeing it in the McCain campaign,

    is it lost on him, and them, that the radical decline began when both candidates turned to the ugly rovian tactics?


  6. barfly says:

    The really funny part, is all the right-wing politicians who took such great pains to separate themselves from the Bush anchor, are going down anyway, because of the SS McCain has caught them in the undertow.

    Hilarious.


  7. vinylspear says:

    Dear John,

    A long time ago I was told by a testosterone soaked phys-ed coach who compusively scratched his nether-regions:
    “The word TEAM does not have the letter “I” in it.
    Well, for the republicans out there I would like to add.
    The word team does not have the letter “I” in it, not to mention that it does not have “X” “Y” or “Z’ or a host of other letters.
    However, Mr McCain I would like you to know that we can’t spell “FAILURE” without “U”

    Sincerely,

    I’m not voting for “U”


  8. MysteriousTraveller says:

    I wonder about Kristol sometimes.

    Does he evern realize that he’s been wrong about everything forever?


  9. MysteriousTraveller says:

  10. McWars says:

    Who wants another four years of trickling down the blame? Choose the campaign known for its efficiency, vote Obama/Biden ‘08!


  11. unbelievable says:

    ROVE: Nobody makes themselves look good by this process.

    But it never stopped you, now did it?

    I wish you reich-wingers would just look in the mirror and give your holier-than-thou speeches to yourselves first and foremost. Until you start taking your own advice about integrity, honesty and honor, you have no room to lecture anyone else.


  12. Fan of Man says:

    Translation to ALL of this CRAP?

    McCain has already conceded.


  13. Michael Lafferty says:

    Right…

    Because she is a superstar—one always destined for greatness, hand chosen by the great one himself to perform this calling—and those other people just got in the way of destiny.

    What utter bunk! Blind, religious fanaticism at work. The ‘true believers’ as Eric Hoffer referred to them, have stumbled badly in their quest for power and continued control.

    Hey, Bill – Karl: don’t let the door hit you on the a** on the way out, huh?


  14. Marie says:

    It’s not my fault!! It’s those other guys!
    I didn’t advise their campaign! Palin is a rogue! Who picked her anyway — not me!
    This isn’t a republican problem! This is Obama’s fault!
    His campaign is almost flawless — who ever heard of that! It’s sinister.


  15. joe cantwell says:

    want to put a smile on your face

    this morning? read this column

    by bush speechwriter david frum.

    *

    may favorite line:

    “I could pile up the poll numbers here, but frankly . . . it’s too depressing. You have to go back to the Watergate era to see numbers quite so horrible for the GOP.”

    ^


  16. unbelievable says:

    Michael Lafferty Says: Blind, religious fanaticism at work. The ‘true believers’ as Eric Hoffer referred to them, have stumbled badly in their quest for power and continued control.

    Creating a state religion in many European countries has led to a significant rise in Atheism in those countries.

    I’ve begun to suspect that the recent polls showing that the fastest growing religious group in America is ‘no religion’ due to the fact that we’ve had religious nuts in charge for the last eight years.

    People might initially agree with them in theory, but they never come off good in practice.


  17. Tawdry says:

    They know her better than we do. The largest newspaper in Alaska, the Anchorage Daily News, has endorsed Obama. They say “picking Palin one 72-year-old heartbeat from the leadership of the free world is just too risky.”


  18. barfly says:

    I’m watching the interview, and Rove just made a big deal about the “personal attacks” on Steve Schmitt, by the NYT.

    That his head didn’t explode is a positive, I guess.

    Wasn’t it his decision to smear McCain in ‘00?


  19. barfly says:

    Now he’s telling viewers about the unreliability of certain polls, and that’s why campaigns hire their own pollsters, for accuracy. But the Rove-hired pollsters in ‘04 were dead wrong, as was his much-touted “math.”

    Yeah, Karl, you da’ man…

    It will be interesting to see his dance on Nov. 5th.


  20. tom says:

    FoxSnooze Sunday had the feel of a wake this morning. Little Britty and Billy, Botox Mara and Williams all conceded the outcome. Now comes the finger-pointing, fault-finding, blame-placing pissing and moaning. How amusing.

    All that any of these airheads really had to do was tune into Brokaw’s inverview with McNumbNuts on “Meet the Press” this morning. The whole reason for the republican massacre on November 4 was sitting right there at the table. That “reason” is a self-absorbed 72-year-old phoney reformer who has no policy, no character, no judgement, no shame, no leadership capability, no integrity . . . and no chance of becoming the 44th President of the United States.


  21. Left Coast Mike says:

    Kristol was heavily involved in chosing Scaraboo Barbi.

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/27/081027fa_fact_mayer

    He is wrong 100% of the time.


  22. Curlew says:

    I’m not sure about you but I absolutely love watching the Repignofascists eat their own. Keep it up and bring em on.


  23. Exit Stage Left says:

    Bozo The Neoclown Says:
    and i site the fact they’re running two incompetent boobs on the coattails of an utter failure.

    “two incompetent boobs?”
    You forgot to mention McCain :)~


  24. unbelievable says:

    I don’t feel sorry for them. They had a choice at the beginning of their majority rule, and they chose poorly. It shouldn’t at all surprise them that they are about to have that power stripped from them.

    Senior Republicans Warn Of GOP Civil War

    Aides to George W.Bush, former Reagan White House staff and friends of John McCain have all told The Sunday Telegraph that they not only expect to lose on November 4, but also believe that Mr Obama is poised to win a crushing mandate.

    They believe he will be powerful enough to remake the American political landscape with even more ease than Ronald Reagan did in 1980.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/25/senior-republicans-warn-o_n_137866.html


  25. 5th Estate says:

    Excerpts from Kristol’s “How to pick a VP”

    ( http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/04/opinion/04kristol.html )

    (emphases added)

    “The public wants change but is nervous about Obama. Why not allow people to vote for experience and the next generation of leadership at the same time?

    This implies a young and different V.P.: the 37-year-old governor of Louisiana, Bobby Jindal; 44-year-old Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska; or Eric Cantor, the 45-year-old Virginia congressman. Party pros would have fainting spells about the unseasoned Jindal and Palin in particular but party pros are often wrong, and if Jindal or Palin performed well as candidates, the upside would be considerable.”

    [...]

    “And he could be especially intrigued by Sarah Palin and Meg Whitman. I run into plenty of moderate and conservative women who don’t consider themselves feminists but would be pleased to see a qualified woman on the ticket.
    Especially if Obama picks a man, rejecting hope and change in favor of the same old patriarchy — won’t McCain be tempted to say: cherchez la femme?


  26. DidHeJustSayThat says:

    I don’t know who deserves the blame. I do appreciate them not recognizing the real problems with the party.


  27. barfly says:

    Wallace just told a howler:

    That higher-income taxpayers pay a higher percentage of income in taxes than middle-class folk.

    When total tax amounts include payroll deductions, the higher-paid workers pay less.


  28. unbelievable says:

    I guess we won’t see any trolls again any time soon?

    If Darryl can’t brag about his soaring oil stocks or his direct pipeline to god for political outcomes, then what does he have really?


  29. barfly says:

    unbelievable Says:

    I guess we won’t see any trolls again any time soon?

    Perhaps we should take turns being Designated Troll For The Day.

    Any volunteers?


  30. unbelievable says:

    Ouch!

    Could McCain Lose His Home State?

    A poll suggests John McCain, having trouble all over the map, might not win his home state:

    Democrats are circulating a poll showing Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) losing ground in his own state, an ominous sign for his beleaguered campaign as state after state turns blues.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/26/could-mccain-lose-his-hom_n_137913.html


  31. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Now we can’t have Billie Kristol pointing a finger at himself, can we? Because if the was instrumental in getting Palin picked, then he is just as much at blame as the “insufficiently loyal staffers” who he is pointing fingers at.

    Who they SHOULD be pointing the fingers at are the right wing evangelicals who have a stranglehold on their party.


  32. misshusseinmolly says:

    I can’t think of any time where I agree with either Rove or Kristol, but I have to admit they have a point on this one. A small point.

    Having a campaign that runs like a well-oiled machine is a plus. Having a campaign that runs like a pig on stilts is a minus. The ultimate leader of a campaign should be the candidate, and in McCain’s case, it obviously isn’t. This should tell us something about his leadership and managerial capabilities.

    However, having a disloyal, whining, finger-pointing staff is only part of the problem. A candidate who shamelessly panders is a problem. A campaign employing obvious dirty tricks is a problem. An unqualified running mate is a problem. There are many more to add to the list.

    I find it somewhat amusing that Kristol and Rove are criticizing a disloyal, whining, finger-pointing staff by being disloyal, whining, and finger-pointing. I wonder if they see the irony?


  33. Above the Clouds says:

    When do we get to see the clip of the “cage match” between Rove and Kristol as they battle it out over control of the “intellectual wing” of the flailing and failing GOP? Surely a match with two losers and no winners.


  34. katy says:

    wow – cokie roberts says she doesn’t think it was right to have reported the $150k palin wardrobe… sam donaldson was justifiably criticizing the expense, and cokie came up with that … NOT that the campaign spent it, that it was reported…

    wow.


  35. pbg says:

    It should be pointed out that choosing a staff for a presidential campaign is a public test of how you will actually run the country.
    Hire boobs? Let your staff run wild?
    It may not be your fault in schoolyard terms, but a BIG part of your job is assembling a team.
    Look at the Obama organization–and look at Mccain’s.
    Even if McCain had come out against the Iraq War, was pro-choice and vowed to undo the Bush Tax Cuts, there’s no way I’d vote for a man who put together a campaign organization like that one.


  36. Keith H. says:

    Note to karl:

    Scoreboard, Scumbag .


  37. unbelievable says:

    barfly Says: Perhaps we should take turns being Designated Troll For The Day. Any volunteers?

    So we don’t have to cause self-inflicted brain damage trying to think like a Republican, or use tehir atrocious grammar, I pulled this off RedState.com:

    utoh October 25th, 2008 at 10:03 p.m. CDT (link)

    Where in history have we seen a policical campaign like Obama’s? A time of economical crisis. The need to blame. Think, think, think…Than ask yourself how that turned out? It may not be the same, but the parallels are great. Are you willing to take that risk? Obama owes it to America to explain a few thing. It is our right to know so stop minimizing your relationships they ARE important to me and please don’t insult my inelegances by repeating it doesn’t make it the truth the more you say it.


  38. Perry logan says:

    The silver lining for the McCain campaign are the reports of vote-flipping.

    Some early voters have had trouble getting the machines to register their Obama votes. So–while the Repub candidates and their campaigns may suck–they’ve still got the machines working for them.

    The Mess We’re In:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiBWkNFtrEg


  39. gummitch says:

    katy Says:

    wow – cokie roberts says she doesn’t think it was right to have reported the $150k palin wardrobe… sam donaldson was justifiably criticizing the expense, and cokie came up with that … NOT that the campaign spent it, that it was reported…

    Cokie is in the tank for the Republicans and has been for years. I first realized this when she was on the insta-pundit panel reviewing Geraldine Ferraro’s performance in the VP debate with Bush the Elder and said something like “Well, Bush obviously won that one” when the truth was about 180 degrees removed from that. That was 24 years ago, and Cokie has been lying on the air ever since, pretending to be a “journalist.”


  40. Fred says:

    barfly Says:
    Perhaps we should take turns being Designated Troll For The Day.

    Any volunteers?

    This is a great day for republicans. Americans are finally going to see what socialist and traitors the far left loonies really are.


  41. barfly says:

    Above the Clouds Says:

    When do we get to see the clip of the “cage match” between Rove and Kristol as they battle it out over control of the “intellectual wing” of the flailing and failing GOP? Surely a match with two losers and no winners.

    Two rats, stuck in a bilge-tank, as the repub ship goes down.

    Kristol plays dead, hoping Rove will come near enough to strike – but Karl grabs his tail between his ratty incisors, and swings him into a stantion, braining him.

    Kristol’s last reported utterance: Squueeekkk!!!


  42. unbelievable says:

    Dr. Hussein Matt Says: unbelievable, redstate will ban your IP shortly

    Fine by me. I think my computer may have picked up a VD from going over there…

    The comments are seriously sad. They can’t even come up with anything original. Most of their insults are stuff they read on liberal blogs last year.

    Funny, one guy said he was done going to DailyKos anymore because we ‘cannot be changed’. LOL. Like we’d want to be ignorant. Hilarious stuff.


  43. barfly says:

    Fred is today’s

    Designated
    Daily
    Troll

    No bottle throwing allowed. Remember, he’s one of us…


  44. barfly says:

    This is a great day for republicans. Americans are finally going to see what socialist and traitors the far left loonies really are.

    Such a great day, republicans like Chris Buckley are paddling away, jus as fast as his personal assistant can paddle.


  45. Fred says:

    As the today’s resident DDT I would like to say that all of this talk about disarray in the mccain campaign is the result of running from behind in a long campaign and is in no way indicative of the way a mccain presidency would be run.


  46. Michael Lafferty says:

    Incompetent boobs, indeed. And Governor Palin is still in the running for the title, having uttered these words yesterday at a rally in Sioux City IA:

    Now they do this in other countries where the people are not free: government as part of the family, taking care of us, making decisions for us. I don’t know what to think of having in my family Uncle Barney Frank or others to make decisions for me.

    It was an utterly nonsensical attempt to claim that tax and spend, big government liberals—as represented by chairman of the House Financial Services committee, Barney Frank of Massachusetts—would destroy America.

    Palin fails to understand that history demonstrates that we must spend our way out of recession as a government, diverting dollars not required to support the massive defense budget to targeted public works infrastructure improvement projects.

    Duh: history tells us this. Why is it that the lunatics on the right purport that we can cut taxes and pull out of the recession as a result? If they were paying any attention to history at all, they would know that this is not the case.

    Governor Palin clearly demonstrates that she does require adult supervision, and needs someone else to think and speak on her behalf. And what’s with this silly ‘Uncle Barney Frank’ moniker? Like Elvis, this woman has clearly left the stadium…


  47. shoeless says:

    Bill Kristol blamed McCain staffers for “ill-serving” Palin by mishandling the story about spending $150,000 on new designer clothes for her.

    The McCain campaign is obviously in cahoots with the liberal biased media in their efforts to destroy a poor hockey mom with five children, including a special needs child. Fortunately, both Sarah Palin and John McCain have disassociated themselves from the McCain campaign.


  48. unbelievable says:

    Fred Says: This is a great day for republicans. Americans are finally going to see what socialist and traitors the far left loonies really are.

    I think you’re supposed to misspell a bunch of words, drop punctuation, ramble on incessantly without ever making a point, and insult our hygiene/patriotism/education… :)


  49. Fred says:

    As the today’s resident DDT:

    I would also like to suggest that with all of the lefts new found power that much oversight will be required to prevent corruption and theft of our nations money.

    A balance must be achieved by Americans to keep us safe. A divided government is the only choice and I reccommend that voters take that into consideration and help us elect enough republicans to keep the left wing loonies from destroying our great nation.


  50. shoeless says:

    Fred Says:

    As the today’s resident DDT I would like to say that all of this talk about disarray in the mccain campaign is the result of running from behind in a long campaign and is in no way indicative of the way a mccain presidency would be run.

    I guess you are trying to say that a McCain presidency would not be long?


  51. Fred says:

    Ok unbelievable, let me try again.

    Your stinking, traitorous, trailer park trash comments on this tree huggin, abortion lovn, gay marryin blog makes me sic,.


  52. ElBruce says:

    ROVE: We saw it in the Clinton campaign…

    Bill won both his runs, so I guess Karl can’t be talking about him.

    The Hillary team was remarkably solid right up until the end of the primary. They were making up ground at a rapid rate up to (and well beyond) where anybody else would have thrown in the towel. In fact, they demonstrated the exact opposite of what Karl’s talking about. If anything, the McCain campaign should be taking a lesson from Clinton’s “it ain’t over ’til it’s over” grit and determination, if he wants to have a chance.


  53. Fred says:

    shoeless Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Fred Says:

    As the today’s resident DDT I would like to say that all of this talk about disarray in the mccain campaign is the result of running from behind in a long campaign and is in no way indicative of the way a mccain presidency would be run.

    I guess you are trying to say that a McCain presidency would not be long?

    No you left wing loonie, I’m tryn t say a mcane preesidncy would be run with honer and distincshun. We need real Americans leading us, not someone who eats breakfast every morning with terrists.


  54. unbelievable says:

    Fred Says: Ok unbelievable, let me try again.

    Your stinking, traitorous, trailer park trash comments on this tree huggin, abortion lovn, gay marryin blog makes me sic,.

    I don’t know Fred, I think you just might have too many brain cells to pull it off… :)


  55. jonlester says:

    It’s a little late in the game to size up McCain’s handlers, when it’s been apparent for several months that it’s the most crooked bunch to ever run a campaign. I thought that was by design.


  56. unbelievable says:

    This is an email I got from a Republican:

    On that last note, I can tell you as a business owner- the amount of taxes our government thinks they have a right to take from hard working people is criminal. I don’t think it is very encouraging when they penalize me when I put everything on the line to start a business. I had zero income for the first six months, and not much more the first year after that. I am the one who has created jobs for 6 other people in this world, yet the government thinks I am rich and evil.

    I can assure you, I am not rich, and not too evil :) but according to their standards, they are hammering me with so many taxes, it makes me very discouraged. Had I know it would be like this I might have never started. I think every day about how our country succeeded from Great Britain because
    of taxes, yet it is even worse now and we are doing it to ourselves. Most people don’t realize it as an employee, but if you feel the way I do, then magnify it by 10 and you will know how a small business owner feels.

    Please take a look at what we will be facing when Obama raises taxes, and he promised he will. I assume it will go even higher to pay for all the new programs too. All these rates can be verified on the IRS website, just go back to the 2003 tax brackets, when the tax cuts expire, this is what we
    will have. Are you ready to pay $2,000 to $6,000 more in income taxes each year?


  57. barfly says:

    A balance must be achieved by Americans to keep us safe. A divided government is the only choice and I reccommend that voters take that into consideration and help us elect enough republicans to keep the left wing loonies from destroying our great nation.

    The balancing comes in nine days time.

    The reason you now tout a balanced government, is your side has so thoroughly screwed the country up, and the true extent of the damage is yet to be known, that it’s your last hope of ever coming back from political Hooterville.


  58. Fred says:

    barfly Says:
    The reason you now tout a balanced government, is your side has so thoroughly screwed the country up, and the true extent of the damage is yet to be known, that it’s your last hope of ever coming back from political Hooterville.

    Our side has saved your tree huggin cry baby marxist butts from the people who want to kill us. bush has been vigilant and because of that you havent heen attaked since 911….you can’t deny it.


  59. barfly says:

    Perhaps the reason the trolls are absent, is they no longer have a saleable product. We’re all socialists now, thanks to Bush’s incompetence, and they can’t bring themselves to defend the free market, because they didn’t fully understand it in the first place.

    They took a lot on faith from their wealth gurus, and have earned a bitter reward.


  60. Gregor Samsa says:

    Fred Says:
    I’m tryn t say a mcane preesidncy would be run with honer and distincshun.

    Good try. Heh.

    As for Rove, he is blaming everyone for the disaster the McCain campaign has become -everyone, that is, except for the actual culprit, John McCain.

    What Rove is actually saying is that McCain has no control over what happens in his own campaign; in essence, going for the incompetence defence.

    Think, Karl, think: If McCain cannot control his own staff, can we trust him with the White House? (I cannot believe this man was actually nicknamed “Bush’s brain”)


  61. Fred says:

    Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    REich-wingers only want a “divided government” when it appears they will be in the minority. F**king hypocrites.

    There is much fear in the country of the extreme left wing of the liberal party having too much power. It could lead to costly and unessessary wars and financail hardships for Americans.

    Americans like divided government.


  62. barfly says:

    Our side has saved your tree huggin cry baby marxist butts from the people who want to kill us. bush has been vigilant and because of that you havent heen attaked since 911….you can’t deny it.

    Except they’re still killing us – nine this week.

    Bush’s vigilance was actually Bush, the Amazing Power Sponge, that can absorb even the biggest constitutional spills — and there’s no denying he can even siphon political power from the House and Senate, with one fear-drenched application!


  63. shoeless says:

    unbelievable Says:

    Dr. Hussein Matt Says: unbelievable, redstate will ban your IP shortly

    Fine by me. I think my computer may have picked up a VD from going over there…

    Oh gawd, you don’t want one of those. My old computer picked up a virus from the Free Republic website, and it was awful.

    First, everything in it’s memory was either altered, or completely removed. Then, all the keys on the keyboard got scrambled, which made it impossible to spell correctly. The shift key was usually either inoperable or stuck on caps. Finally, my broadband connection was disabled, so I had to install a series of tubes in order to gain internet access. Even then, I could only go to the website of the Competitive Enterprise Institute or Teenage Asian Girls.

    So, I threw the thing out on the curb. Some toothless guy with orange stains on his fingers stopped in his pick-up truck with a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker, and threw it in the back. I’m sure he is very happy with it.


  64. Fred says:

    barfly Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Perhaps the reason the trolls are absent, is they no longer have a saleable product. We’re all socialists now

    W’re not all socialists now. The bailout had to happen because the dems screwed it up when they got elected in 06. Everything was going fine till then.


  65. katy says:

    all this latest talk and fear and loathing about the dems gaining control of all branches of government – one party rule –
    is so incredible… the fear mongers were fine with it when THEIR party was in charge, and don’t even seem to be grasping that situation…

    “let’s all be bi-partisan, let’s all get along, let’s all work and think and talk together… as long as it’s OUR way.”

    they can’t even grasp why it’s all happening…

    clue: ya fooked up.


  66. Fred says:

    shoeless Says:

    So, I threw the thing out on the curb. Some toothless guy with orange stains on his fingers stopped in his pick-up truck with a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker, and threw it in the back. I’m sure he is very happy with it.

    You libs are the biggest wasters of stuff on the planet. You needd to conserve everything. We don’t need vista…win 95 has been good enough for years.

    You want bigger and bigger hard drives……who’s gonna pay for all this, big business?


  67. Fred says:

    barfly Says:
    Bush’s vigilance was actually Bush, the Amazing Power Sponge, that can absorb even the biggest constitutional spills — and there’s no denying he can even siphon political power from the House and Senate, with one fear-drenched application!

    bush needs those powers which are reserved for conservative presidents. No dem should ever have that kind of power, it could be devestating for our country and the world.


  68. shoeless says:

    barfly Says:

    Perhaps the reason the trolls are absent, is they no longer have a saleable product. We’re all socialists now, thanks to Bush’s incompetence, and they can’t bring themselves to defend the free market, because they didn’t fully understand it in the first place.

    They took a lot on faith from their wealth gurus, and have earned a bitter reward.

    When Pinochet took over Chile in the early ’70s, he sent economists to University of Chicago to study under Milton Friedman. They went home and instituted to first experiment in supply side economics. After the inevitable collapse of the pyramid scheme, they overthrew the dictator and instituted socialist reforms.

    In Chile, they still refer to Friedman’s supply side economics a “the Chicago road to socialism”.


  69. Fred says:

    shoeless Says:
    When Pinochet took over Chile in the early ’70s, he sent economists to University of Chicago to study under Milton Friedman. They went home and instituted to first experiment in supply side economics. After the inevitable collapse of the pyramid scheme, they overthrew the dictator and instituted socialist reforms.

    Yeah and where are they now? They may have health care for everyone but it’s not the kind of life saving medical care that Americans take for granted. socialized medicine is a joke. Ask any euorpean or canadian.


  70. tombaker says:

    Join us tomorrow for another installment of:

    “Backbiting Righty Cannibals”


  71. Jess Wonderin says:

    OK! OK! . . . I finely get it . . . “Fred” is a perform ace artist working out of a SOMA studio in SF, having a GREAT time here . . . NO ONE could actually have those thoughts and conclusions in a “sane” mind . . . thanks “FRED”, I think the SF Art Academy should reconsider your rejected MFA application . . . .


  72. Fred says:

    Hi Jess, go back up just above post #47 in this thread to see what is going on…..


  73. jaymark says:

    I would also like to suggest that with all of the lefts new found power that much oversight will be required to prevent corruption and theft of our nations money.

    A balance must be achieved by Americans to keep us safe. A divided government is the only choice and I reccommend that voters take that into consideration and help us elect enough republicans to keep the left wing loonies from destroying our great nation.

    Not surprisingly, some of the righties are making this same point, at the same time seeming not to have a clue as to how hypocritical they are.

    Thanks for being DDT, Fred.


  74. reality check says:

    the key phrase is “… disoloyalty to the candidate they are serving”. WTF? This is the main problem with republicans. They want to rule and not govern. This is not a failure of serving, its a failure of leadership, and by extension, a failure to govern (by republicans).


  75. Fred says:

    jaymark Says:

    Thanks for being DDT, Fred.

    Thanks Jaymark, it wasn’t as much fun as I thought it might be. I have to go take a shower now.


  76. joe cantwell says:

    fred, let’s not forget

    the spirit of fairness, balance

    and compromise that was

    shown by conservatives right

    after the 2004 presidential election.

    *

    here’s an example of that spirit

    in a letter from from bob jones lll

    to george w. bush:

    Dear Mr. President:

    The media tells us that you have received the largest number of popular votes of any president in America’s history. Congratulations!

    In your re-election, God has graciously granted America — though she doesn’t deserve it — a reprieve from the agenda of paganism. You have been given a mandate. We the people expect your voice to be like the clear and certain sound of a trumpet. Because you seek the Lord daily, we who know the Lord will follow that kind of voice eagerly.

    Don’t equivocate. Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil. You owe the liberals nothing, They despise you because they despise your Christ. Honor the Lord, and He will honor you.

    Had your opponent won, I would have still given thanks, because the Bible says I must (I Thessalonians 5:18). It would have been hard, but because the Lord lifts up whom He will and pulls down whom He will, I would have done it. It is easy to rejoice today, because Christ has allowed you to be His servant in this nation for another presidential term. Undoubtedly, you will have opportunity to appoint many conservative judges and exercise forceful leadership with the Congress in passing legislation that is defined by biblical norm regarding the family, sexuality, sanctity of life, religious freedom, freedom of speech, and limited government. You have four years — a brief time only — to leave an imprint for righteousness upon this nation that brings with it the blessings of Almighty God.

    Christ said, “If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my father honour” (John 12:26).

    The student body, faculty, and staff at Bob Jones University commit ourselves to pray for you — that you would do right and honor the Savior. Pull out all the stops and make a difference. If you have weaklings around you who do not share your biblical values, shed yourself of them. Conservative Americans would love to see one president who doesn’t care whether he is liked, but cares infinitely that he does right.

    Best wishes.

    Sincerely your friend,

    Bob Jones III
    President
    Bob Jones University

    *

    thank you.

    #


  77. Patty says:

    With all this in-fighting, I hope the last one standing can let us know which of the Republican campaign workers are real Americans and which ones aren’t.


  78. tom says:

    Fred, you are one neuron short of a synapse. I can’t believe that you can even get dressed without assistance every morning. Take your steaming pile of crapola and stick it back where the sun don’t shine.

    [This posting is made in all good fun but today's DOLE -- Designated Offended Liberal Elitist.]


  79. mmanion says:

    This is really annoying. First, Sarah Palin is an adult. If she requires constant superior handling so as to not look like an idiot, maybe she should reconsider national politics. Second, this is the McCain campaign, not the Palin campaign. Why in the world should his staffers be expected to put her best interests first?

    Kristol, the master of disaster, would be well advised to stop coming up with “plans” for America. We’re barely surviving his ‘Iraq war executed by an inferior president’ plan and now he’d like to really put the nail in the coffin with his ‘govern the country with an ill-informed, petty amateur’ plan. Jeebus Kristol, just STFU please.


  80. MapleStreet says:

    The fish stinks from the head ?


  81. LibertyLover says:

    Can you see it?
    There is a huge “L” forming on the substancial forehead of Karl Rove…
    Amazing to watch.


  82. shoeless says:

    Fred Says:

    jaymark Says:

    Thanks for being DDT, Fred.

    Thanks Jaymark, it wasn’t as much fun as I thought it might be. I have to go take a shower now.

    I hope you remembered to wash between your ears.


  83. bogtrotters says:

    Two thoughts: I’ll bet Bill Kristol got repeated wedgies in middle school; and if John McCain runs a campaign this dysfunctional and dishonest, he really is four more years of Bush. If America’s [and/or the Supreme Court] stupid enough to elect him.


  84. Game of Life says:

    It’s turd and his dirty tricks that aren’t working. turd acts as if his pubescent trickery had nothing to do with mcchimpy’s failed campaign.

    moosey is a giant problem. she is a first class liar. she played fast and loose on Alaska pipeline that she brags about. she is a very sick woman and her dysfunctional family proves it.

    Now mcchimpy’s campaign is using Sen. Obama’s logo. pitiful.


  85. Game of Life says:

    Please vid tape the crowds at your voting center and post it on the internet.


  86. Game of Life says:

    barfly Says:

    Wallace should’ve asked: Isn’t this indicative of how a potential McCain administration would operate? He’s had over four months to get the campaign running smoothly, and on-message, and this has been the result. Would a McCain administration be able to hit the ground running, with such a campaign staff, how could americans believe his transition staff wouldn’t be of similar caliber?

    Is that a presidency Americans require, in these perilous times?

    If you are saying mcchimpy had a 4 month presidential campaign lead before the dem candidate was chosen, you are right. He blew the head start.

    The mcchimpy tried to steal Sen. Obama’s nomination speech by picking the moosekill. assh.


  87. Game of Life says:

    Is stealing Sen. Obama’s logo legal?

    Desperate, crab-in-the-barrel desperation.


  88. CaptainJohn says:

    Howdy I like that some here will volunteer to represent the views of the right. This is difficult process for progressives as it usually involves the consumption of copious amounts of ethanol and repeated self inflicted blows to the head. This is however the exact same process that the commentators on Fox use to achieve the proper state of consciousness. I look forward to reading more thoughtful and insightful comments from the pseudo-right


  89. shoeless says:

    We haven’t heard from Fred since then. I hope he didn’t do any permanent damage to himself.



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