Romney Condones Right-Wing Biden Interviewer: ‘They Were Legitimate Issues To Probe’
Romney Condones Right-Wing Biden Interviewer: ‘They Were Legitimate Issues To Probe’
On Friday, Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) sat for an interview with Barbara West of WFTV Orlando, FL. West loaded her interview questions with right-wing smears, claiming that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) wanted to “turn America into a Socialist country like Sweden.” The interview was so unprofessional that Biden wondered if it was a “joke,” although West responded that she was just “probing and maybe tough.”
Today on Fox and Friends, top McCain surrogate Mitt Romney strongly defended West:
I must admit I thought they were, you know, tough questions, but certainly nothing out of bounds. I was surprised that the — that the campaign reacted so tenderly to that and was so upset by it. You know, get used to tough questions; that’s the was the nature of a political campaign. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I really was surprised at their reaction. And I thought they were legitimate issues to pose.
Watch it:
Journalists disagree with Romney; the questions were “out of bounds.” Mike Thomas of the Orlando Sentinel said it was “the most embarrassing interview I’ve ever seen on local television.” Politico’s Ben Smith called it “hostile.” The Chicago Tribune’s Frank James labeled the interview “a joke,” “embarrassing,” and “painful.”
Additionally, the McCain campaign has repeatedly criticized the “heat” of reporters’ questions. Complaining about the tough treatment of Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK), in fact, has been one of the campaign’s most common refrains. After CNN’s Campbell Brown asked spokesman Tucker Bounds about Palin’s foreign policy experience, the McCain campaign canceled an interview with Larry King scheduled for the next day. The campaign also demanded that reporters show Palin “deference” before they were allowed to speak with her.
More recently, the campaign has started locking reporters into designated areas and using the Secret Service to prevent them from talking to event attendees so that they don’t write “negative things.”
Transcript:
DOOCY: Now, Governor, when you’re sitting there at that remote location in Ohio, as people far away via satellite ask you questions, do you find of feel like Joe Biden did a couple of days ago where he was sitting for an Interview with an Orlando reporter by the name of Barbara West? She started asking him questions about, you know, This spread the wealth thing; isn’t that Marxist? Asked about ACORN, all sorts of stuff. At the end the interview — the Biden and Obama campaign was so unfair they canceled a future interview.
What did you make of that one-on-one with Biden and Barbara?
ROMNEY: You know, I read the transcript of the interview, and I must admit I thought they were, you know, tough questions, but certainly nothing out of bounds. I was surprised that the — that the campaign reacted so tenderly to that and was so upset by it. You know, get used to tough questions; that’s the was the nature of a political campaign. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I really was surprised at their reaction. And I thought they were legitimate issues to pose.
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I guess Mittens’ secret sunday underpants will be a “fair” topic in his next sit-down??
Mittens pals around with those child-screwers. How imperfect he must think America is.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:44 pmIf you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I really was surprised at their reaction. And I thought they were legitimate issues to pose.
Unless you’re name is Palin, then you must submit your questions in advance for approval.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:46 pmSo, Governor Romney, if McCain wins and gives you a cabinet post how will you use the special executive powers given to you by your secret Mormon underwear to combat terrorism and save the economuy?
October 27th, 2008 at 12:47 pmProbing, and slanted to the point where she should have proclaimed
We’re drinking your MILKSHAKE!
October 27th, 2008 at 12:48 pmah tom!, you beat me to it! Damn your trousers, sir!
October 27th, 2008 at 12:49 pmI must admit I thought they were, you know, tough questions, but certainly nothing out of bounds. I was surprised that the — that the campaign reacted so tenderly to that and was so upset by it. You know, get used to tough questions; that’s the was the nature of a political campaign. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I really was surprised at their reaction. And I thought they were legitimate issues to pose.
For once, I totally agree with Mitt. And I say the exact same thing regarding the questions posed to, and about, Sarah Palin.
At least Joe responded to each of the questions asked with a coherent, concise, and responsive answer, and didn’t once say, “I’ll have to get back to ya’ on that.”
October 27th, 2008 at 12:51 pmRomney Condones Right-Wing Biden Interviewer: ‘They Were Legitimate Issues To Probe’»
– - Remember during the GOP primaries when a reporter dared to call Romney out to his face on his claim that no lobbysists were in his campaign? Yeah, that was legitimate to, you elitist putz.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:51 pmThat explains it! Sarah Palin has simply gotten “out of the kitchen”.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:53 pm.
Please, let’s probe dog cages…
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October 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pmI think it’s legitimate to find out whether or not Mitt Romney would force us into polygamy and tithing.
Of course, he lost to McCain in the R primaries, so that ought to tell you how likely it is he’ll ever be President.
HA! Bye-Bye Mr. Mittens – go catch a show with Broadway Rudy, whydoncha!?
October 27th, 2008 at 12:58 pmI think that questions concerning foreign policy, economic governance, and health care coverage are legitimate in the political arena. What is objectionable in the West interview is how she prefaced the questions – she was obviously not interested in interviewing, but interrogating. Mike Thomas is correct – it was an embarrassment to Orlando TV news. . .but not because West obviously was working from the talking points supplied by Hubby Wade a Powerful Republican Businessman, but because the political bias in local Orlando News was nationally exposed – along with the amateurish posturing of this most amateur of amateurs.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:58 pmThe campaign also demanded that reporters show Palin “deference” before they were allowed to speak with her.
def?er?ence? ?/?d?f?r?ns/ [def-er-uhns]
–noun 1. respectful submission or yielding to the judgment, opinion, will, etc., of another.
2. respectful or courteous regard
My question is, “Why?” Why should reporters, exercising their First Amendment rights, who wish to question Gov Palin about her judgment, opinion, and will have to yield to her judgment, opinion, or will before she answers their questions (about her judgment, opinion and will)?
October 27th, 2008 at 12:58 pmHow about someone getting to the bottom of his being a closet neo-Nazi? That should be legitimate too!!!
October 27th, 2008 at 12:59 pmBiden handled her easily. However, any other Democrat would be crazy to let this madwoman interview them.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:59 pmNow I’m waiting for somebody to ask Mittens if all five sons are from the same mother since so many Mormons are closeted polygamists.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:03 pmRomney’s opinion matters.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:05 pmHmmmmmmmmm,
“video no longer available”
curious…
October 27th, 2008 at 1:05 pmShayne Says:
Biden handled her easily. However, any other Democrat would be crazy to let this madwoman interview them.
The campaign has already cancelled an interview that this Fux wannabe had scheduled with Jill Biden. As well they should.
PEACE
October 27th, 2008 at 1:06 pmNote well capitalist corporate media: By Willard’s standards you should ask McBane if he is a fascist, has a copy of “Mein Kampf” and believes in a master race.
You don’t have to ask about the militarism and unprovoked, aggressive military attacks. We know those answers.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:08 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
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My question is, “Why?” Why should reporters, exercising their First Amendment rights, who wish to question Gov Palin about her judgment, opinion, and will have to yield to her judgment, opinion, or will before she answers their questions (about her judgment, opinion and will)?
For the same reason neither she, nor John McCain will negoiate with Iran unless all negoiating points are conceded beforehand. These right-wingers are moronic cowards who cannot hold their own in any uncontrolled environment.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:10 pmThat’s why Mittens will not be stumping successfully in the Michigan mitten for the GOP–we’ve had enough of this crap to last us a lifetime and some of us remember what dear ole’ daddy did to our economy here.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:11 pmVideo should be working now.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:12 pmThank you Amanda :D
October 27th, 2008 at 1:12 pmThis interview was transparently partisan. She at no point showed any interest in getting information (the qualifying factor of an interview) from Biden. Her comments and questions were polarizing and divisive. Obama and Biden have talked about the healing this nation is going to need to do in order to make change possible.
If republicans and their hacks are set on continuing this type of politics in an election year in which they have been so plainly rejected – kudos. It won’t garner one single vote and might only depress their base who are left with name calling in defense of their party’s candidates.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:14 pmAnd which Bain Capital affiliates will line up at Hank Paulson’s Treasury window for a socialist bailout? HCA’s professional liability insurance subsidiary has $652 million in untradeable auction rate securities.
http://www.kkrpei.com/pdfs/May08/HCA%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf
Bain is Romney’s old place.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/04/us/politics/04bain.html
October 27th, 2008 at 1:15 pmperhaps it could go this way:
“John McCain’s campaign has been distinguished for its fervent nationalism, its distrust of intellectuals and its willingness to bend the apparatus of government to the will of corporate interests.
How is that not fascism?”
October 27th, 2008 at 1:15 pmI was a bit disappointed. There were so many other issues that she could have hit. Since insurance runs by the well paying for the sick, and it’s kept that way with preexisting conditions, if Obama eliminates that then you just need to sign up for a policy at the hospital and join the government plan..Can you spell socialized medicine? I wanted her to bring up the issue of the birth certificate. McCain was challenged in the same way and he presented his. So far Obama had a league of attornies that simply made some quick maneuvers to avoid it. So, how hard would it be to end the crap on the b. certificate? Just present it, that’s all. Don’t put in on a web site. If you go to court as John Q Average American, you can’t put your response on a website. Is Obama above the law? Why not just present it and end the question forever. It would make the Republicans look like idiots……unless, there’s something he’s hiding. The actions make everyone very suspicious. I’m tired of the responses that say he doesn’t have to do that. He’s applying for the highest office in the nation. It’s a simple request. One EASY act could end the discussion. Why has he fought it. McCain didn’t.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:15 pmJohn mccain loses temper
October 27th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
One last thing. Democrats have been in power in the legislative branch for the last two years. These people hold the pursestrings. Obama received more money than anyone but Senator Dodd (Who’s had longer) from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. I think these are real issues.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:18 pmjanngilly Says:
I wanted her to bring up the issue of the birth certificate. McCain was challenged in the same way and he presented his. So far Obama had a league of attornies that simply made some quick maneuvers to avoid it. So, how hard would it be to end the crap on the b. certificate?
October 27th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
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What the crap? Why in the hell does anyone care about this?
I mean, is there doubt as to whether Senator Obama was born of woman or not? Is there concern about him being a “Secret MacDuff,” who from his mother’s womb was untimely ripped?
October 27th, 2008 at 1:19 pmjanngilly Says:
your kidding right? hopefully so, or your getting paid to say stupid shit. i hope so. for your sake.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:22 pmAsking if Obama is a Marxist isn’t a tough question (the answer is quite easy — “no”), it’s a stupid question. There’s a difference.
Biden could easily explain why Obama wasn’t a Marxist. He could easily explain that Obama’s wanting to roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy wasn’t socialism on the scale of the Soviet Union, it wasn’t socialism on the scale of Sweden, it wasn’t even socialism on the scale of Franklin Roosevelt. Biden could also remove some of the stigma of the term by pointing out many accepted instances of socialism that already exist in this country — free education, free roads, national parks, Medicare, and many, many more. But a “tough” question? Get real. Biden’s pointing out the stupidity of the question was hardly an indication that he was stumped.
Now, let’s say that an interviewer asked Mitt Romney if it was true that McCain was a fascist, he would probably have no problem answering the question itself, but he might be dumbstruck by the stupidity of the question. A more reasonable question might be if it was true that McCain is a plutocrat, but Romney could no doubt answer that question as well (Palin couldn’t, but she might if she had a cheat sheet).
October 27th, 2008 at 1:23 pmjanngilly Says:
Your concern seems a little lopsided to those of us who have watched mccaain/ palen avoid questions and hide personal relevant info…..please…
It looks as though the American people have made thier decisions though so your concerns are not relevant.
socialized medicine, yep, get ready for something much closer to that than the “we will give you medical attention but you have to give us your first born child” hostage type medical system that existsts now.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:24 pmjanngilly Says:
One last thing. Democrats have been in power in the legislative branch for the last two years. These people hold the pursestrings. Obama received more money than anyone but Senator Dodd (Who’s had longer) from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. I think these are real issues.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
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Wrong on both counts. Democrats have had a thin, impotent majority in both houses for two years, facing an executive branch that considers itself above the concept of checks and balances and holds an effective line-item veto in the form of signing statements. So, no, they haven’t had a majority.
And who cares if Obama received money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – they’re not the ones responsible for the financial crisis we’re in. They had at most a minor role in the collapse of the housing market.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:26 pmCall the newsroom. I did. I called them embarrassing (as a fellow Floridian) and unprofessional. “There’s really nothing I can say to that.” No, there’s really not. The number is on their website (for now, can you imagine if a newsroom had to pull it’s number from it’s website).
October 27th, 2008 at 1:29 pmThere’s a concern that he’s not a natural born citizen and therefore not eligible to run for the highest office of the land. If that is true, and only found out after the election then we will be in a constitutional crisis. Would Biden go in as VP? OMG then Polozi would be a heartbeat away from pres. That would keep Biden safe. Would there be a recall? This is not a joke, it’s a very real problem that could be stopped with the presentation of his birth certificate, but he won’t do it, even though he recently traveled to Hawaii. It would have been great press to have cameras roll as he got the certificate. What politician wouldn’t take that opportunity?
October 27th, 2008 at 1:30 pmHow could he travelto Pakistan in college when Americans couldn’t enter the country. He noted in his speech that he went there at that time. Indonesians could gothere. So what’s the deal? Sorry hussein toasterhead. It’s a huge deal.
Obama’s birth certificate is up for anyone to review on his “Fight the Smears” web site.
Your (whoever you are, Republican-hack-janngilly) party is losing precisely because Americans don’t give a $hit about non-issues (conspiracy theories on the existence of birth certificates that are on full public display, for example), but do care about finding/keeping a decent job. Something your people suck at caring about.
So do keep it up. Keep harping about birth certificates, and taxing health care, and agreeing with Bush and we will crush in one week’s time.
Hell, we might even get a filibuster proof 60 majority in the Senate if you keep up your off topic, inane, nonsensical, non-issues talking points.
Thanks!
October 27th, 2008 at 1:30 pmOne last thing for you too. Democrats have held a majority in the house of reps. The senate ruplicans have held up any legislation that the dems wanted to move forward. The reps are still holding our contry back, not the dems.
It has been proven repeatedly that fannie and freddie were not the caause of the sub-prime collapse. It was private commpanies that were not held to regulations….their money went to mccain.
If you thought they were real issues, I would expect you to actually know what you are talking about…..sadly, you don’t.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:30 pmjanngilly Says:
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Obama received more money than anyone but Senator Dodd (Who’s had longer) from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. I think these are real issues.
Do you also think this is a real issue?
Rick Davis, John McCain’s campaign manager, has remained the treasurer and a corporate director of his lobbying firm this year, despite repeated statements by campaign officials that he had ended his relationship with the firm in 2006, according to corporate records.
The McCain campaign this week criticized news stories disclosing that, since 2006, Davis’s firm has been paid a $15,000-a-month consulting fee from Freddie Mac, the troubled mortgage giant recently put under federal conservatorship. The stories, published Tuesday by NEWSWEEK, The New York Times and Roll Call, reported that the consulting fees continued until last month even though, according to two sources familiar with the arrangement, neither Davis nor anybody else at his firm did any substantial work for the payments.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/160713
http://scc-internet.scc.state.va.us/corporate/imaging/9799267.pdf
October 27th, 2008 at 1:32 pm“we will crush you”, post 38 should read.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:32 pmBarbara West also interviewed John McCain today:
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html
At one point, McCain started to refer to the combination of Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi as a “lethal combination” before stopping himself and taking out the word “lethal”. Does McCain really believe that such a combination would be “lethal”? Call it a Freudian slip if you want, but I think it says something about the way that man’s mind works, and that something ain’t good.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:32 pmjanngilly Says:
Very well, then, let us engage:
1)Would you please define “socialism”?
2)Specify how Obama’s plan (as you understand it) would be “socialized Healthcare” (be specific)?
3) Explain why “socialism” is an evil thing, to be avoided at all costs (as you imply explicitly)?
4) Explain how you AVOID anything that has been “socialized” by the government (because if socialism is a thing that is completely abbhorrent and to be avoided at all costs, then certainly YOU do not partake of ANYTHING that is socialized — right?)?
October 27th, 2008 at 1:33 pmThere’s a concern that mccain is not stable.
mccain loses his temper
That’s one major reason he’s losing this campaign.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:33 pmFred, republican flunkies don’t care about facts or reason or proof.
That’s why they’re republicans.
Reality has a liberal bias.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:34 pmBtw, Barbara West’s husband is a GOP fat cat here in Orlando. A major money raiser for them.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:35 pmjanngilly:
“Can you spell socialized medicine?”
Yep, M-e-d-i-c-a-r-e and M-e-d-i-c-a-i-d.
And listen, the birth certificate thing is nothing… check out the list of real “scandals” here. Jon Swift has so got Obama’s number.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:35 pmIs it just me, or does anyone else think janngilly is the next incarnation of goongolly?
Almost forgot about her! Back just in time to enjoy McStain’s crushing defeat.
PEACE
October 27th, 2008 at 1:36 pmjanngilly Says
October 27th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
I wanted her to bring up the issue of the birth certificate. McCain was challenged in the same way and he presented his. So far Obama had a league of attornies that simply made some quick maneuvers to avoid it. So, how hard would it be to end the crap on the b. certificate? Just present it, that’s all. Don’t put in on a web site. If you go to court as John Q Average American, you can’t put your response on a website. Is Obama above the law? Why not just present it and end the question forever.
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OK, I know I’m probably going to be sorry for asking, but to whom should Obama “present” his birth certificate? He has already permitted a number of organizations (including factcheck.org) to thoroughly examine his Hawaiian birth certificate (yes, the original one on file with the state). There probably aren’t too many more documents that have been scrutinized more closely by skeptics, and all who have examined it claim it’s the real thing. Obama can’t remove the original certificate from Hawaii, but he does have it on his website for all to see, and state of Hawaii has verified that what’s on the website is authentic.
What more, exactly, do you think Obama should do to prove the authenticity of his birth certificate? Where do you want him to “present” it? Whatever he does, you and your ilk are going to believe what you want to believe. I can think of no other presidential candidate who has been badgered for “proof” of his natural-born citizenship more than Obama has, and there’s a point (which has been reached) where there’s no further “proof” that would ever convince you.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:38 pmjanngilly Says:
There’s a concern that he’s not a natural born citizen and therefore not eligible to run for the highest office of the land.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
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Yes, among idiots who are desperately grasping at straws for some miracle that will prevent the defeat of St. John the Maverick.
News flash for ya, buddy – Obama’s mother was a U.S. citizen. That means that he is a U.S. citizen. Case closed. No birth certificate needed. But feel free to spend the next four years whining about it while you and your conservative cronies fade into irrelevance.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:39 pmSpeaking of socialized medicine. Remember the Walter Reed scandal?
The part of Walter Reed that the soldiers love is run by the government.
The part of Walter Reed with the moldy ceilings and backed up toilets and broken pipes?
Yeah, you guessed it. That part of Walter Reed had been privatized.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:40 pmspearNmagicHelmet Says:janngilly Says:
your kidding right? hopefully so, or your getting paid to say stupid shit. i hope so. for your sake.
I’m not kidding and I’m not paid. Although I accept all charity..(I am kidding on that) Don’t give me crap that McCain Palin haven’t supplied info. I’ve done every check on them possible, tore apart both partys’ platforms (mostly crap for both) and really dove into this. This area still bugs the heck out of me. It seems so simple to solve and yet it is addressed with a legal battle. Why? I don’t believe that either candidate will make one bit of difference. The president doesn’t really have that much power. But, I’d at least like it legal.And so what was the “for your sake” crap at the end. Web police?
October 27th, 2008 at 1:41 pmjanngilly Says:
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There’s a concern that he’s not a natural born citizen
Kansas became a state on Jan. 29, 1861. It is named after the Kansas River, and it’s nickname is “The Sunflower State”.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:41 pmCongress has a dismal approval rating. The Dems don’t have enough of a majority in the senate to do anything. the Dems in the house (aside from being a little too easy on Bush) can’t override a veto. Generic ballots have Dems up a lot. I guess what the approval rating is saying is that there are not enough Dems in congress yet, so it doesn’t work. You can try to find hope in the dismal approval rating for a Democratic controlled congress, but if you actually look past the number, well, there’s nothing there for you. You might as well go crawl under a rock for the next 4 years. What I really expect you to do, though, is not support the president and disparage our leaders for the next number of years (hopefully a lot of years) because you do not believe in America unless it is controlled by Republican thugs. I can’t wait to welcome you to the minority as I am moving out.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:42 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
The only “proof” that janngilly, and like-minded folk will EVER accept is proof that supports their pre-conceived notions. This is the MO of the republican, conservative, and neo-con mindset (yes, this midset is found all over, but in the conservative people it is a predominant factor). They devise a conclusion that fits their existing beliefs, and then they work hard to “discover” (or fabricate) “facts” to support the conclusion they already reached. It is not possible for them to accept facts that destroy the conclusion that they already decided to believe. Gawd, just explaining it is like being a whirling dervish. I’m dizzy……..
October 27th, 2008 at 1:42 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
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janngilly Says:
There’s a concern that he’s not a natural born citizen and therefore not eligible to run for the highest office of the land.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
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Yes, among idiots who are desperately grasping at straws for some miracle that will prevent the defeat of St. John the Maverick.
News flash for ya, buddy – Obama’s mother was a U.S. citizen. That means that he is a U.S. citizen. Case closed. No birth certificate needed. But feel free to spend the next four years whining about it while you and your conservative cronies fade into irrelevance.
News flash for you buddy: Both parents must be citizens. Check the law.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:43 pmHey, if any trolls would care to harp on about Bill Ayers, in addition to the birth certificate “controversy”, that’d be good, too. “Cuz that’s another non-issue that’s helping our cause.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:45 pmNews flash for you buddy: Both parents must be citizens. Check the law.
Ummmm…. noooooooooo…… maybe YOU need to check the law.
Hey, I asked you a couple of simple questions. Are you ignoring me? Simple questions that a person who has done a lot of extensive vetting of the political candidates would be able to answer simply and swiftly. please, you wish to discuss, let’s discuss. The answers are relevant to issues that you brought up.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:49 pmFrom what you have exhibited here as results of your tireless research, you have gotten a failing grade.
You started the thread with two vital pieces of misinformation so your credibility is about as good as colon powell when he spoke at the UN. zilch.
Sure am glad you’re not a doctor.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:50 pmThank you jannfilly for proving you are an idiot.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:50 pmjanngilly Says:
News flash for you buddy: Both parents must be citizens. Check the law.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
I did. You’re wrong. Under United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), any person born in the United States is a United States citizen. The nationality of the parents is irrelevant. And even though Hawaii is one of the freak states, it was a state when Obama was born.
Problem solved. Talking point refuted. Troll whacked.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:52 pmjannjelly: News flash for you buddy: Both parents must be citizens. Check the law.
News flash for you, jelly, the baby only needs to be born in the US to be an automatic citizen. Neither parent needs to be a US citizen for the child to be.
But it sure was a fun try on your part!
PEACE
October 27th, 2008 at 1:53 pmjanngilly Says
October 27th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
I wanted her to bring up the issue of the birth certificate.
What on earth for? Obama has a US Passport, doesn’t he? Try getting one of those without proof of citizenship. If you can, please come back and we’ll discuss.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:53 pmI think it’s trajan with new copy and paste bullcrap.
Good entertainment though. I love seeing them wallow in their misery, it is way past due.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:54 pmThe troll du jour needs to read up on the Fourteenth Amendment. I know the GOP hates the constitution so s/he probably hasn’t, but . . . you know, never hurts to suggest.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:55 pmHey DumbFox (appropriate name heh)
Jon Swift, at the top of his blog says:
Since the media is biased I get all my news from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and Jay Leno monologues.
If that isn’t proof of an uninformed person, I don’t know what is.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:55 pmjanngilly Says:
Want to talk about relevant issues? Where are mccains medical records? You can’t be seen as reasonable if you don’t think that is a very relevant question.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:58 pmLegitimate questions!?! Like:
* How long has McCain palled around with the felon G Gordon Liddy?
* Why didn’t McCain use better judgement when getting involved with Charles Keating?
* Hows does McCain the adulterer really feel about the sanctity of marriage?
* Is his wife Cindy still a drug addict?
* Why did McCain personally seek out the support and endorsement of the hate mongering Reverend Hagee?
* Whats his opinion on his friend and former campaign member and lobbyist Doug Goodyears involvement with Freddie and Fannie?
* What is his opinion of Joe Vogler and the Alaskan Independence Party with whom Todd Palin was a member of?
Would the reichwingers consider these legitimate questions?
October 27th, 2008 at 1:59 pmDo McCain/Palin represent fascist views for governing or Theocratic views?
October 27th, 2008 at 1:59 pmCageyCretin Says:
Do McCain/Palin represent fascist views for governing or Theocratic views?
October 27th, 2008 at 2:01 pm“““““““““““““““““““““““`
Oh the humanity! That would be considered a “gotcha” question by all of the republikkkans! But a very good question indeed!
Q: Senator McCain due to the fact that you have received health insurance paid for by the American taxpayers for your entire adult life do you believe you are even qualified to talk about healthcare?
October 27th, 2008 at 2:05 pmJanglynerves must be getting really jangly about now. McIIIrd/ImPalin are going down the porcelain portal and she’s grasping at the short straw…
October 27th, 2008 at 2:07 pmUnlce Fester, you left out McCain’s ties to Ken Duberstein, board member of Fannie Mae who helped John run for the Republican nomination in 2000.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:11 pm#28 – janngilly Says
Catch up moron.
Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it’s stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
October 27th, 2008 at 2:12 pmDid the troll leave? I was enjoying the bizarro-world conspiracy rantings of her/him.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:12 pmHow could he travelto Pakistan in college when Americans couldn’t enter the country.
janngilly – and when exactly were Americans not allowed to go to Pakistan? Gee…in my 61 years, I guess I forgot that little detail.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:22 pmIt turned out fine. Despite the interviewer’s incessant when did Obama stop beating his wife undertone, her robotic delivery and utterly cliched phrasing that made it appear more out of the Onion than serious tv journalism were dismantled by Biden, who fileted, chopped, sliced, and diced her, all with some humor and pointedness. Then they went on to quite rightly dismiss the station and interviewer of being unworthy of anymore of their time.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:25 pmCitizenE Says:
her robotic delivery and utterly cliched phrasing that made it appear more out of the Onion than serious tv journalism
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That’s a perfect description.
I mean, Karl Marx? Seriously?
October 27th, 2008 at 2:34 pmOh yeah..Biden tore her to shreds. She is still a shill though. I am so tired of being the butt of jokes because of people like here and old people in West Palm Beach who can’t read a butterfly ballot I’m moving to AZ, which is now a pink state if you can believe it.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:35 pmNews flash for you buddy: Both parents must be citizens. Check the law.
Only in the case of a person being born outside the U.S. Any child born within the within the U.S. is a citzen, whether or not EITHER parent is a U.S. citizen. What do you do…just use info gleaned from right-wing blogs or radio folks, without doing your own research and fact-checking?
Through birth abroad to two United States citizens
See also: jus sanguinis
In most cases, one is a U.S. citizen if both of the following are true:
1. Both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of the child’s birth
2. At least one parent lived in the United States prior to the child’s birth.
Birthright citizenship in the United States of America follows from a hybrid rule of jus soli and jus sanguinis. Under the American system, any person born within the United States (including the overseas territories of Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and the Northern Mariana Islands) and subject to its jurisdiction is automatically granted U.S. citizenship, [1] as are many (though not all) children born to American citizens overseas.
When accorded automatic birthright citizenship based on birth on American soil, a newborn’s status is generally unaffected by the legal status or citizenship of that individual’s mother or father.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States_of_America
October 27th, 2008 at 2:36 pmThe real question is, is John McSame a natural born US citizen, being born in Panama and all?
October 27th, 2008 at 2:39 pmUncle Fester Lurks Says:
Q: Senator McCain due to the fact that you have received health insurance paid for by the American taxpayers for your entire adult life do you believe you are even qualified to talk about the evils of socialism?
There…fixed it.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:40 pmYes. I was born on a U.S. Air Force base in England. My mother, being British, was not a U.S. citizen at the time, but I have always been a full citizen.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:41 pmAlso, John McCain has been on the payroll of the federal government for his entire life. Why did he never go out into the private sector and start a small business in order to create jobs?
October 27th, 2008 at 2:44 pmSt_Steven Says:
The real question is, is John McSame a natural born US citizen, being born in Panama and all?
Actually, he is since he was born on a U.S. military base and both his parents were U.S. citizens. That’s an argument we can’t win; let’s not waste our time on already-resolved issues, like janngilly has been doing.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:46 pmimpeachcheneythenbush Says:
Actually, he is since he was born on a U.S. military base and both his parents were U.S. citizens. That’s an argument we can’t win; let’s not waste our time on already-resolved issues, like janngilly has been doing.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
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Fair enough, but that won’t stop me from referring to him as John McCaiñ whenever possible…
October 27th, 2008 at 2:56 pmThe stupid burns!
Don’t these morons ever consider how improbable it would be for a person to obtain a U.S. passport, not to mention becoming a U.S. Senator, without establishing their citizenship and identity? It’s like the creationists with their “there is no proof for evolution” crap or Bible Spice continually lying about “our opponent wants to do nothing” about energy. Ridiculous lies from those who deserve ridicule are not worthy of consideration.
October 27th, 2008 at 3:01 pmGreat point, shoeless, 87,
John McCain has never worked a ‘regular job’ in his long life.
He claims to know all about ‘Joe the Plumber’, when, in fact, he doesn’t know the first thing about running a business.
Right, Carly?
McCain said yesterday on MTP that Sairhead has more executive experience than Biden & Obama combined.
He neglected to say, ‘including myself’…
October 27th, 2008 at 3:05 pmIt is a total waste of time, but I am not questioning his citizenship. The undefined term in the Constitution is Natural Born Citizen. Not citizen. It is a higher standard than for representative or senator. It meant that the candidates for president had to be born in the US. I’m really just tweeking the troll though ‘cuz it’s fun.
October 27th, 2008 at 3:11 pmSmells like red herring and strawman in here – what’s up?
October 27th, 2008 at 3:34 pmShhhhhh…just keep them talking about birth certificates.
October 27th, 2008 at 3:38 pmnitwit rommney matters why? that’s right, he doesn’t!
October 27th, 2008 at 3:39 pmStop using Walter Reed hospital as an excuse for poor medicare. THE GOVERNMENT CUT OFF FUNDING FOR THAT HOSPITAL!!!THEN THEY RUN TO THE PRESS AND SAY SOCIALIZED MED DOESN’T WORK! BULL SHIT.
I have lived in Canada, and seen first hand what a socialized system is. The lies that our press puts out against socialized medicine is pushed forward by corporate America.
Did you know if we had socialized med, each family would have between $8000 to $10,000 per year in there bank accounts if there was a system in place. Currently we give our money to corp when we don’t have to.
The truth will come out, once Obama is in the driver seat.
October 27th, 2008 at 3:40 pmAnd Hank Paulson’s imitating Sweden’s bank rescue is rugged American individualism?
Last Friday, Treasury said it would steer its aid to insurance companies.
Mitt Romney—Bain Capital—HCA—Professional liability insurance sub $652 million in junk assets
Mitt could show up at Hank’s bailout window to ensure Bain’s investment doesn’t drop.
Do you think any reporter will ask Romney about that? Not a chance…
October 27th, 2008 at 3:40 pm“Stop using Walter Reed hospital as an excuse for poor medicare.”
I don’t think anyone is. The government run part of Walter Reed is extremely well managed and the soldiers are very happy with it.
The privatized parts of Walter Reed, on the other hand, are where the press found problems of nightmarish intensity.
October 27th, 2008 at 3:48 pmRomney who???
October 27th, 2008 at 4:07 pmHey janngilly, do you have any proof that Obama was born on foreign territory? Frankly McCain’s citizenship is less obvious which you could find out at the State Department web site since you’re such a great little researcher.
October 27th, 2008 at 4:28 pmCandidate Romney: Is it true you ran a training camp for teaching techniques for child molestation ?
I’m not saying you did, just that this is similarly an important matter to either prove or disprove.
Do you now see where there might be an improper implication to the question ?????????????????????????
October 27th, 2008 at 4:31 pmThe Obama campaign’s reaction was WAY over the top and a clear Over-Reaction.
Obama’s reaction to ANY questions not deemed “appropriate” is truly frightening. He’s already shown that he will try to use GOVERNMENT FORCE to stop any line of questioning he doesn’t like.
What do you think he’ll do if he’s elected and has the FBI at his disposal, hmmmm?
October 27th, 2008 at 10:21 pmTo all those who continue to insist that Mormons are polygamists: Mormons are NOT polygamists! When are you people going to get it right? How can anyone take your insight seriously when you continue to get this one, simple fact wrong? Any mainstream Mormon who tries practicing polygamy is excommunicated from the Mormon church. Those groups who practice polygamy today are splinter groups. To call them Mormons makes as much sense as calling a Baptist, or any other Protestant, a Catholic.
To all those who have some wierd fascination with Mormon underwear: What is up with that? It’s underwear! It’s a piece of clothing! What does that have to do with politics, or public policy? I can’t understand why that is even brought up! You people are crazy!
If you want to judge Mitt as a politician, look at his political record. If you want to judge his ability to lead, look at his executive experience.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:16 am