McCain adviser dismisses evidence of Bush’s Iraq lies as ‘conspiracy theories.’
McCain adviser dismisses evidence of Bush’s Iraq lies as ‘conspiracy theories.’
In a recent interview with Der Spiegel, Robert Kagan, a leading member of John McCain’s war cabinet, dismissed wrongdoing by the Bush administration in the run-up to the Iraq war as “conspiracy theories”:
SPIEGEL: Isn’t it true that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld took advantage of the outrage over the 9/11 terrorist attacks to strike Iraq? Is it even possible anymore to deny that the war was based on manipulation, exaggeration and flat-out lies? [...]
KAGAN: In retrospect, we have to admit that Washington could have waited a while longer. That’s a different question. But I think it’s about time we moved beyond this silly conversation and these absurd conspiracy theories.
Matt Duss at the Wonk Room writes, “We can ‘move beyond this silly conversation’ when people like Robert Kagan cease pretending that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, et al were arguing in good faith about the need to invade Iraq, and stop dismissing the overwhelming evidence of their dishonesty as ‘conspiracy theories.’”
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F-ing traitor. Kagan must be from the Un-American part of the USA.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:03 pmPeople who lie this blatantly need to be arrested & put in prison, to show our children that dishonesty (particularly political dishonesty) has consequences. I’m sick of these liars never being called on their lies, & never being held accountable for them.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:05 pmI don’t think Kagan can even see the truth from where he is. Not qualified to be a toilet cleaner.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:06 pmIt’s so painfully evident that they lied. It’s been documented over and over (do a google search for 935 lies). How is it possible for this guy to try and pull this over our heads?
I hope Obama investigates the living daylights out of Bush et. al.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:12 pmI have a feeling this is going to be the new song and dance the GOP gives as an “excuse” for their misdeeds. Just accuse your accusers of spreading “conspiracy theories”.
Beats me why Ted Stevens didn’t use it.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:13 pmOver ONE MILLION innocent dead. the least you could do Mr. Kagan is drop dead yourself.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:15 pmwhoa.
way to go, rachel!
she just announced – she got an interview with OBAMA!
CONGRATULATIONS, RACHEL!
watch on THURSDAY!
!
October 28th, 2008 at 9:18 pmRevisionists like this will get their clocks cleaned by future historians.
The lies and distortions are so well documented, there’s no way the BS stands.
Go flush it, jerk, you stink to high heaven.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:20 pmI loathe these people as much as they despise the truth.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:21 pmDespite the fervent belief of revisionists such as yourselves, The President NEVER lied about the Iraq war.
It’s simply amazing to watch you rabid Bush haters in action. You’ll make great little Brown Shirts for Obama’s coming revolution.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:26 pmFact #1
In order to lie, a person must know that what they are saying is in fact untrue.
If, as most of you contend, the President lied then had to have known that pre-war intelligence was completely false and unreliable. This was simply not the case and no amount of saying it was doesn’t make it so!
October 28th, 2008 at 9:30 pmThe so-called “evidence” that the President knew certain things to be untrue, yet claimed they were true simply doesn’t exist.
If it were, he would have already BEEN IMPEACHED, you morons.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:33 pmBreathtaking. Absolutely breathtaking. But surprisingly not unexpected.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:35 pmAnd flush the “Turd” Tim Vaculik as well.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:36 pmIt’s amazing to me how easily some people are fooled!
You folks that are just so certain that you know the REAL truth about the Iraq war, 9-11 etc., etc., are just fools being lead by the nose.
You know next to NOTHING about almost every topic, yet you think you are so smart. It’s almost comical.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:38 pmThe notion that the President lied in the months preceding the war requires an absolute suspension of rational thought.
But I guess anything is possible for folks who fervently BELIEVE in something, despite evidence to the contrary.
I read a study not too long ago that examined the thought processes common to people who are prone to believing conspiracy theories. The interesting part was a common attribute of confusing coincidence with causation. In other words, the conspiracy theorists always put together random and disparate occurances in such a way in order to reinforce their already strongly held BELIEFS. They discounted any evidence to the contrary.
Now I’m saying it is the folks that just KNOW there was a conspiracy by the President to go to war that are in a mental state that requires them to REJECT all evidence to the contrary!
October 28th, 2008 at 9:47 pm..”BUT BARRING A NATIONAL CATASTROPHY IT WILL BE HARD TO GALVANIZE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC BEHIND SUCH A SCHEME !”
October 28th, 2008 at 9:50 pmTHE PNAC, OF WHICH MOST OF BUSHES CABINETS ARE SIGNATORIES, ON THE NEED TO INVADE THE MIDDLE EAST INORDER TO CONTROL cHINA AND THE DEVELOPING WORLD
read all about it in their premier paper ,Rebuilding America’s Defenses ! All written pre 911
It’s redundant now, but I spent a few year documenting Bush’s LIES at the TV News Lies forum.
http://tvnewslies.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2670&start=0
October 28th, 2008 at 9:51 pmTim Vaculik Says:
The notion that the President lied in the months preceding the war requires an absolute suspension of rational thought.
But I guess anything is possible for folks who fervently BELIEVE in something, despite evidence to the contrary.
I read a study not too long ago that examined the thought processes common to people who are prone to believing conspiracy theories. The interesting part was a common attribute of confusing coincidence with causation. In other words, the conspiracy theorists always put together random and disparate occurances in such a way in order to reinforce their already strongly held BELIEFS. They discounted any evidence to the contrary.
Now I’m saying it is the folks that just KNOW there was a conspiracy by the President to go to war that are in a mental state that requires them to REJECT all evidence to the contrary!
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what’s your
“evidence to the contrary”?
:)
thank you.
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what’s the name
of the “study” you read?
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good luck.
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October 28th, 2008 at 9:52 pmNote the pattern: Bush lies are “time we move beyond this silly discussion”.
IN the Veep debate, discussing McCain’s voting record was “There ya go again, bringing up the past rather than looking toward the future”
Should I be in court, I hope my lawyer can convince the judge to look forward instead of looking toward the past.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:53 pmVacuous and Silly Timmy,
The pathetic little man you worship picked and chose evidence that fit his agenda and discarded all evidence that didn’t. Bush’s War in Iraq was based on a set of lies, half-truths and innuendo. But you know that don’t you little guy?
What does Bush’s smag taste like? You disgust me. FOAD.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:54 pmThese honest conversations can and should be had sitting across a pane of glass from one another Monday and Wednesday afternoons from 12-5pm and Saturdays and Sundays from 10am – 6pm!
That is the only way Americans will get the answers they deserve.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:56 pmwoo hoo!!!!!!
barack obama on jon stewart tomorrow night!!!
OBAMA ON THE DAILY SHOW!
October 28th, 2008 at 9:57 pmkaty Says:
woo hoo!!!!!!
barack obama on jon stewart tomorrow night!!!
OBAMA ON THE DAILY SHOW!
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i’m a good little “brown shirt”
(even though my shirt is blue)
so you know i’ll be watching.
how about you, tim?
^
October 28th, 2008 at 10:00 pmand rachel says, “don’t forget, on thursday i’m going to florida to interview the actual barack obama” … she’s so cute!
October 28th, 2008 at 10:01 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Despite the fervent belief of revisionists such as yourselves, The President NEVER lied about the Iraq war.
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You have lost your mind. Either you are an outright liar or completely deluded. There is NO DISPUTING THE FACT Bush told at least one outright lie as well as undeniable distortions about Iraq that cannot be reasonably denied.
It’s simply amazing to watch you rabid Bush haters in action. You’ll make great little Brown Shirts for Obama’s coming revolution.
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What is amazing is you Fascist Bush Idolators are willing to say ANYTHING no matter how stupid to deny reality.
FACT On Sept 7, 2001 Bush said ” I would remind you that when the inspectors were in Iraq, when they were finally denied access (which could only be 1998) an IAEA report came out saying Iraq was six months away from a (nuclear) weapon. (the only kind the IAEA would be involved in writing reports about) THAT WAS A LIE. No such report Bush pulled it directly out of his rectal database. The same place you morons get most of what you post. That was NOT a mistake of intelligence, it was NOT a misinterpretation THERE WAS NO SUCH REPORT as the IAEA reported. There is also the Aluminum tubes. Not ONLY did Bush send 12 reports to congress saying they could ONLY be used for gas centrifuges he did so AFTER RECIEVING THE REPORT FROM OUR SCIENTISTS, the experts in the field who denied it was even PLAUSABLE they would be used that way much less could only be used that way. Three of the top scientists ridiculed the very idea. One saying that while it would techinically be possible to use them that way it was also technically possible to turn his Yugo into a Cadillac. They ALSO sent out Condalizzard Rice to say the anodyzed coating on the tubes PROVED they were for GCs. Except to use them as GCs the ANODYZED COATING WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED. OK we GET that you love to be lied to and are brainwashed beyond belief but its just flat out IGNORANT to claim Bush didnt lie about this he DID and its beyond dispute.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:04 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Fact #1
In order to lie, a person must know that what they are saying is in fact untrue.
If, as most of you contend, the President lied then had to have known that pre-war intelligence was completely false and unreliable. This was simply not the case and no amount of saying it was doesn’t make it so!
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FACT when you MAKE UP A REPORT THAT DOESNT EXIST that is a LIE. IF it isnt a lie to make something up that doesnt exist to back up your position there is no such thing as a lie.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:06 pmtim vaculick,
our one and
only troll.
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where have you gone?
:(
October 28th, 2008 at 10:07 pmchingebush,
Well, then. You obviously are disgusted by former President Clinton as well. It was on his watch that the United States made it OFFICIAL: regime change in Iraq.
You also must believe that many in Washingto n at the time including Senator Hillary Clinton are liars as well!!!
Moron.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:08 pmEugeneDebs,
“There is NO DISPUTING THE FACT Bush told at least one outright lie…”
O.K., I’m game. What was the one lie the President told that EVERYONE knows to be a lie and there’s no debate, hmmmm?
October 28th, 2008 at 10:10 pmTim Vaculik Says:
The so-called “evidence” that the President knew certain things to be untrue, yet claimed they were true simply doesn’t exist.
If it were, he would have already BEEN IMPEACHED, you morons.
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YOU are the stupidest poster on the site. Calling US morons is pure projection and more of your abject stupidity. Impeachment is a POLITICAL action and there are other reasons than guilt that are involved in whether or not to impeach. The House PROVED that Reagan violated the Boland amendment. They produce a paper with his signature PROVING he did. This is why he publicly appologized but they didnt impeach NOT because they couldnt or the PROOF of a violation of the law wasnt there but as a political decision that is wasnt worth the public trauma. My GOD you are stupid. You didnt really think that made sense as an argument did you? Hey I can PROVE that Capone had nothing to do with the St Valentine massacre he wasnt imprisoned for it. What a complete moron you are. I appologize to morons everywhere as you would have to gain a couple dozen IQ points to make a reasonable moron.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:11 pmIt is just a crying shame that so many people had to die in Iraq so George Bush could be re-elected in 2004.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:12 pmTim Vaculik Says:
It’s amazing to me how easily some people are fooled!
You folks that are just so certain that you know the REAL truth about the Iraq war, 9-11 etc., etc., are just fools being lead by the nose.
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You DEFINE a fool being led around by the nose. You are the most brainwashed ignorant hivemind imbecile I have ever seen. If Bush drug your wife outside and shot her in the head then told you she was a terrorist you would be denouncing her within minutes. It must be sad to be as ignorant and brainwashed as you. Incapable of higher brain function KNOWING you are too stupid to make an actual contribution to discussion you just parrot the propaganda like a demented Myna Bird.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:14 pmTim Vaculik Says:
The notion that the President lied in the months preceding the war requires an absolute suspension of rational thought.
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No it isnt it is a proven FACT. You regurgitating the denials you have been instructed to belive wont change that in any way you insufferable moron
October 28th, 2008 at 10:16 pmtim vaculick,
our one and
only troll.
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if i gave you $150,000
to spend on clothes
what would you buy?
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muck lucks?
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October 28th, 2008 at 10:17 pmTim Vaculik Says:
EugeneDebs,
“There is NO DISPUTING THE FACT Bush told at least one outright lie…”
O.K., I’m game. What was the one lie the President told that EVERYONE knows to be a lie and there’s no debate, hmmmm?
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What you cant READ. I put it in the post. In the joint press conference with Tony Blair when he pulled an IAEA report that DIDNT EXIST directly out of his A$$
October 28th, 2008 at 10:18 pmKagan says that BushCo had the same intelligence as the Clinton admin, Germany and France. I guarantee you:
October 28th, 2008 at 10:22 pma) no one knows what a foreign country’s intelligence apparatus thinks
b) intelligence summaries are stated in probabilities; part of that’s CYA, part is the nature of gathering intel on a foreign nation
c) Kagan had no access to high level raw data from anywhere
Poor little fact-free troll. Such a sad spectacle. Y’all just know his thighs are chafed and irritated from the piss-encrusted sweatpants…
October 28th, 2008 at 10:30 pmTiny Tim the Vacuous,
In chimpanzee societies the alpha male demands absolute subservience from the other males. They will bend over and offer themselves to the alpha and he will occasionally let them know he’s boss by slamming them a couple of times.
I see the same behavior in the Bush defenders. You really should ask yourself why you have the need to show subservience to Bush. Grow some balls my man!
It’s ok to admit that Bush lied and led the country to an unnecessary and counter-productive war. But as I said, you already know that and what we are witnessing is the display of subservience to your alpha.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:33 pmIs it a “conspiracy theory” that WTC Building 7 was not hit by an airplane or significant debris on September 11th, that by the afternoon of September 11th there were only a few small fires of unknown origin evident in the building, and yet this building collapsed neatly into its own footprint (through the path of greatest resistence) at virtually “free fall” speed?
Is it a “conspiracy theory” that fire has never — prior to 9/11, on 9/11, or after 9/11 — caused any steel frame building to collapse? The official 9/11 narrative posits a fire-initiated, gravity-driven collapse theory for all three WTC buildings.
Is it a “conspiracy theory” that George W. Bush’s brother, Marvin Bush, and his cousin, Wirt Walker III, were principles in the company [Stratesec, formerly named Securacom] that was in charge of security for the World Trade Center, with Walker being the CEO from 1999 until January 2002?
Is it a “conspiracy theory” that the Secret Service broke their mandate by allowing President Bush to remain in a well-publicized classroom location long after it was known that the U.S. was under attack and that he may well have been a target?
Is it a “conspiracy theory” that unidentified insiders made millions on the stocks of American and United Airlines and those of other corporations that were likewise impacted by the attacks?
Is it a “conspiracy theory” that several war games scheduled for the morning of 9/11 involved inserting phantom jets onto RADAR screens as well as exercises which involved hijacked airliners flown into buildings (as reported by credible news sources)?
Is it a “conspiracy theory” that the 9 or more war games scheduled for the morning of 9/11 caused enough confusion to make NORAD ask “is this real world or exercise?” when FAA reports came in alerting NORAD to the hijacked airplanes?
Is it a “conspiracy theory” that NORAD routinely intercepts aircraft hundreds of times a year but on 9/11 they failed on four separate occasions?
Is it a “conspiracy theory” when NORAD tells us three contradictory stories in an attempt to explain why they were unable to intercept any planes on 9/11?
Is it a “conspiracy theory” when Senator Mark Dayton said in testimony during a Senate Governmental Affairs Committee hearing that NORAD officials “lied”?
Is it a “conspiracy theory” that not one single person within the FAA, NORAD, FBI, CIA, etc was fired, demoted, or otherwise reprimanded after the events of 9/11?
Is it a “conspiracy theory” that key individuals responsible for preventing the attacks were in fact promoted?
Is it a “conspiracy theory” that the Huffman Aviation flight school — where Mohamed Atta and other alleged hijackers trained — had a Lear jet seized by the DEA with “43 pounds of heroin” onboard and there was not one prosecution in connection with the “biggest drug seizure in central Florida history”?
Is it a “conspiracy theory” that the FBI’s top Al Qaeda investigator, John O’Neill, “resigned in July of 2001 in protest over the obstruction of terrorist investigations”?
Is it a “conspiracy theory” that the Bush administration blocked the formation of the 9/11 Commission for 441 days? Similar investigations, such as those for the first WTC Bombing, the Oklahama City bombing, and Pan Am Flight 103, all started in about one week. (In fact it was “The Jersey Girls” — four courageous 9/11 widows — who finally forced the administration to create the 9/11 Commission and who also presented many penetrating questions… most of which were ignored.)
Is it a “conspiracy theory” that Bush and Cheney agreed to being questioned by the 9/11 commission only on the conditions that they appeared together, without taking oaths, with no family members present, without audio or video taping, and with no records of any kind being kept?
Is it a “conspiracy theory” that on the night of the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House Medical Office dispensed [the anthrax drug] Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David… and the public was not warned about anthrax or alerted about Cipro for another six weeks, when anthrax-laden letters were sent through the mail to top Democratic congressmen and to others?
October 28th, 2008 at 10:35 pmDamn Zooey, that’s a picture now!
October 28th, 2008 at 10:35 pmHere’s a searchable database of Bush Administration lies leading to the Iraq invasion:
http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/
And a surreal video:
October 28th, 2008 at 10:38 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiBWkNFtrEg
I want the American public to know , it still takes a Fisa warrant to spy on an American citizen .Bush on the news hour lying bold faced to the American public while the phones of 10’s of millions of American are being tapped outside the FISA courtand with no judicial oversight.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:39 pmForged documents on Saddam’s attempts to acquire yellow cake from Niger , which joe Wilson’s sent to investigate began the plame affair , when he exposed it as a forgery but refused to remain quiet.
The connection between Saddam and al qaeda which although the bi partisan 911 committee said did not exist was trumpeted by bush and even longer by Cheney in the lead up to war !
EugeneDebs,
It took me all of three minutes to find what I believe is the 1998 IAEA report you claim doesn’t exist. I’ve read a good portion of it, but now I want to go find the text of the President’s speech. I want to compare what you say with the facts.
At this point your batting average doesn’t look so good.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:39 pmfreeman,
Uh, no. You better go check that Niger report Joe Wilson filed before you make uninformed statements!
October 28th, 2008 at 10:40 pmfreeman,
Here’s a hint: He didn’t actually file the proper written report for the type of mission he went on. He did, however testify about his trip.
Double hint – his report doesn’t say what you think it says.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:42 pmtim vaculick,
have you made your
clothing selections
yet?
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take your time.
spending $150,000
requires a lot of thought.
:)
October 28th, 2008 at 10:46 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Hey MORON. I didnt SAY they didnt have ANY reports in 1998. I said there was on such report as one that claimed that IN 1998 Iraq was six months away from a Nuclear weapon which THEY THEMSELVES SAID.
THIS is what they actually said in 987
“has found no indication of Iraq having achieved its program goal of producing nuclear weapons or of Iraq having retained a physical capability for the production of weapon-useable nuclear material or having clandestinely obtained such material.”
So he not only LIED about what he said what he CLAIMED they said is the polar opposite of their actual postition
October 28th, 2008 at 10:48 pmThe documents weren’t forgeries vacuous?
October 28th, 2008 at 10:48 pmThe PNAC didn’t recommend pre 911 that the US must invade the middle east inorder to control China ?
October 28th, 2008 at 10:49 pmtim vaculick,
hint,
saks is a very
expensive place to shop.
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double hint,
so is neiman-marcus.
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October 28th, 2008 at 10:49 pmAnother unindicted co-conspirator trying to save his own ass. He’s been on my list for long time. I guess if you are rich and deluded you will never be prosecuted, let alone jailed. His father, Donald, was a signatory to PNAC. Robert is a co-founder of PNAC. He is a one man conspiracy to bring war on this earth and destroy the American way of life. My theory is, he might, someday, be prosecuted for war crimes.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:51 pmBush wasn’t involved in the decision to torture , an itsy bitsy war crime ?
October 28th, 2008 at 10:51 pmTim Vaculik Says:
freeman,Uh, no. You better go check that Niger report Joe Wilson filed before you make uninformed statements!
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What is wrong dont like any competition in the uninformed statements race? Freeman is of course RIGHT and you are WRONG. The CIA did NOT believe Iraq tried to get uranium fron Niger when Bush claimed he did having MADE BUSH TAKE THE REFERENCE OUT OF HIS CINCINATTI SPEECH A MONTH EARLIER. Only signing off on his using it in the SOTU speech IF he attributed it to British Intelligence. So he used the tactic of attributing a claim to the British that our CIA would NOT support. How is that not lying? He KNEW the CIA wouldnt support it. If lying is purposefully giving false information how is it NOT lying to make a claim by attributing it to someone else that YOUR OWN INTELLIEGENCE DOES NOT SUPPORT?
October 28th, 2008 at 10:53 pmfreeman Says:
Bush wasn’t involved in the decision to torture , an itsy bitsy war crime ?
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let’s all vote on that
on nov. 4th.
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tim vaclulick,
our one and only troll,
are you game?
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October 28th, 2008 at 10:53 pmJust ask Hans Blix who was lying. Hell, it looks like The Iraqis were closer to telling the truth than Bush and Cheney.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:54 pmMy; track record is fine YOURS is one of ignorance and embarassing yourself. Here let me help you out since you are an idiot
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020907-2.html
THE PRESIDENT: We just heard the Prime Minister talk about the new report. I would remind you that when the inspectors first went into Iraq and were denied — finally denied access, a report came out of the Atomic — the IAEA that they were six months away from developing a weapon.
Some reporter SHOULD Have said how about some evidence that, I dont know, ACTUALLY EXISTS.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:58 pmhey tim, why don’t you slug down some more of that gub’men’ kool-aid… it’ll help wash down the lingering taste of foot cheese.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:59 pmThe bush administration was not spying outside the FISA court without a warrant on 10’s of millions of Americans , not accused of anything and collecting records of everyone they talk to , when he told Jim Lehrer the opposite on national TV ?
October 28th, 2008 at 11:00 pmEugeneDEbs,
Actually the speech you were referring to was a joint press conference with Tony Blair on September 7, 2002, NOT 2001.
Here’s some quotes:
Note the reference to the supposed NON-EXISTENT IAEA report you so breathlessly reported to me as a FACT earlier.
Now, interpretation of the IAEA report can be debated, but what can’t be denied is that there was a report and that it wasn’t just the President who drew certain conclusions from it.
A lie? I think not!
October 28th, 2008 at 11:02 pmEugeneDebs,
Looks like I just showed you the error of your recent posts, but hey you probably were just too excited to get the facts straight.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:05 pmchingebush Says:
Damn Zooey, that’s a picture now!
October 28th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Mission Accomplished. ;)
October 28th, 2008 at 11:05 pmObviously, the troll does not know how to provide links to his Googles.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:06 pmtim, please go round up some more of your slack-jawed, ultra-right wing, neo-stupid republican friends and bring them back here for the “big flip off” with the thinkprogress groucho-marxists debate team.
if you weren’t so amusing you’d be humorous.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:06 pmGen. Michael Dunlavey didn’t recieve orders from the president to direct the pentagon to torture while bush publically denied it ?
October 28th, 2008 at 11:09 pmTimmeh Wilson made an ORAL report to the CIA the person he made the report to would have made the PROPER WRITTEN REPORT and YES it says that it is unlikely that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Niger since the entire Uranium trade IN Niger is under control of an international consortium from mining through shipping and Niger couldnt cough up significant amounts of uranium if they wanted to. Also Iraq already HAD 500 tons of yellowcake. The question is do you EVER know what you are talking about? Or is repeating the nonsense you were TOLD to believe all you can do?
October 28th, 2008 at 11:09 pmThat’s right, it’s ridiculous to think that there weren’t lots of WMD’s in Iraq. There were LOTS! In fact, they were extra dangerous ‘cuz they’re INVISIBLE!
October 28th, 2008 at 11:09 pm‘those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it’
exactly what neocon scum such as the kagans are counting on.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:11 pmwearechange,
Sorry, but every one of the items you mentioned about the events of 9-11 have either been proven to be false or simply coincidences that re-inforce conspiracy theories that simply have no basis in fact whatsoever.
Nice try. Not even woth refuting line by line…
October 28th, 2008 at 11:14 pmFat pig
October 28th, 2008 at 11:14 pmhere you go tim refute this …
October 28th, 2008 at 11:15 pmhttp://bushlies.net/ …an entire site to entertain you.
EugenDebs,
The U.K. stands by their report on Niger. Go take it up with them, you dolt.
Jow Wilson’s credibility was easily shot down on Niger, you just refuse to delvbe into what really happened.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:15 pmTim Vaculik Says:
A lie? I think not!
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A lie ABSOLULTLY here is the difference Blair was talking ONLY about Iraqs history which was reference in the report we are talking about that is 1991. THAT wasnt good enough for Bush who then LIED and tried to say it was in 1998 that they were six months from a nuclear weapon. This is made clear because when the IAEA DENIED the report instead of just clarifying that Bush was wrong they tried to say they meant an IISS article. They did that to KEEP the LIE that in 98 or later Iraq was six months from a nuclear weapon. This is actually another LIE because A) the report came out TWO DAYS AFTER THE STATEMENT, a statement that began I WOULD REMIND YOU. He could not POSSIBLY be reminding them of a report that hadnt come out yet. Bush lied then lied again in order to maintain the lie. ALSO the IISS report did NOT say Iraq was six months from a nuclear weapon but IF THEY COULD GET ENRICHED URANIUM they would be six months away. The thing is since enriched uranium (or plutonium) is the sine qua non of nuclear weaponry that is about like saying IF you gave me the money I could buy a Ferrari. So Bush danced and told FURTHER LIES. This is proof he was lying HAD he just admitted his mistake I wouldnt be calling this a lie. And NO it is NOT open to interpretation of whether or not the IAEA was saying in 98 Iraq was six months from a nuclear weapon and NO Blair did not make the same claim. You DO know that you arent very good at this dont you?
October 28th, 2008 at 11:16 pmTim Vaculik Says:
EugeneDebs,
Looks like I just showed you the error of your recent posts, but hey you probably were just too excited to get the facts straight.
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No actually you didnt what you DID do was embarass yourself further and show you are a moron with no understanding whatsoever of this issue.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:17 pmTim Vaculik Says:
wearechange,
Sorry, but every one of the items you mentioned about the events of 9-11 have either been proven to be false or simply coincidences that re-inforce conspiracy theories that simply have no basis in fact whatsoever.
Nice try. Not even woth refuting line by line…
Shorter Tim the troll: “I don’t have anything as proof, except my stinky fingers.”
October 28th, 2008 at 11:17 pmTim Vaculik Says:
EugenDebs,
The U.K. stands by their report on Niger. Go take it up with them, you dolt.
Jow Wilson’s credibility was easily shot down on Niger, you just refuse to delvbe into what really happened.
^
have you been drinking?
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October 28th, 2008 at 11:18 pmMight try learning how to spell too, Timmy Troll.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:18 pmHANG HIM HIGH!! RIGHT NEXT TO HIS SON, FEITH, WOLFOWITZ, KRISTOL, O’HANLON, AND THE LIST GOES ON… BUSH AND CHENEY GO FIRST…JUST TO TEST THE NOOSES’ RELIABILITY!!
October 28th, 2008 at 11:19 pmEugenDebs,
Like I said on another thread recently, if you could calm down you might make a halfway decent debater.
As it stands, you are simply rude and obnoxious, but I’m willing to deal with personal insults because I know it means I’m on target.
Hard to refute a good argument, isn’t it? Been a while and you’re a little rusty, huh?
October 28th, 2008 at 11:20 pmWayne,
I never learned to type properly on a keyboard and I always go too fast.
Don’t let that fool you.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:20 pmElBruce Says:
That’s right, it’s ridiculous to think that there weren’t lots of WMD’s in Iraq. There were LOTS! In fact, they were extra dangerous ‘cuz they’re INVISIBLE!
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Exactly so. If tomorrow Bush came out and said we HAVE to invade Canada because they are breeding giant lizards that shoot lazer beams from their eyes. Rush would spew his lies then Timmeh would be in here in a heartbeat telling us how crucial it is to invade Canada to stop the giant lazer eyed lizzard threat.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:20 pmLessee, by my quick calcs, Timmeh should have about sixty McPalin stamps by now.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:22 pmTIM…YOU ARE A DISGUSTING TROLL…HIT THE ROAD, FLAK!!
October 28th, 2008 at 11:22 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Wayne,
I never learned to type properly on a keyboard and I always go too fast.
Don’t let that fool you.
^
learn.
do.
^
good luck.
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October 28th, 2008 at 11:22 pmTim Vaculik Says:
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Wayne,
I never learned to type properly on a keyboard and I always go too fast.
Don’t let that fool you into thinking I can provide any sort of rational argument backed up by logic or citations.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:23 pmTim Vaculik Says:
EugenDebs,
The U.K. stands by their report on Niger. Go take it up with them, you dolt.
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Sure you MORON, the Brits whose WHITE PAPER on Iraq was plagiarrized from an 11 year old thesis from an American student stands by their report that the CIA NEVER BELIEVED. So what? They got nothing. YOU being too stupid to even know what is going on changes NOTHING. How are they going to cough up uranium from an industry TOTALLY under foriegn control? Why would Iraq want it when they HAVE uranium and TURNED DOWN AN OFFER BY THE CONGO FOR URANIUM? Ya got nothin. This didnt happen and you are an idiot.
Jow Wilson’s credibility was easily shot down on Niger, you just refuse to delvbe into what really happened.
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No it wasnt HE WAS RIGHT. YOU are a brainwashed moron. I KNOW what happened. YOU dont. I know all about this I looked into it deeply at the time you insufferable imbecile.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
October 28th, 2008 at 11:26 pmMobile labs
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In late January 2003, as Secretary of State Colin Powell prepared to argue the Bush administration’s case against Iraq at the United Nations, veteran CIA officer Tyler Drumheller sat down with a classified draft of Powell’s speech to look for errors. He found a whopper: a claim about mobile biological labs built by Iraq for germ warfare. – Drumheller instantly recognized the source, an Iraqi defector suspected of being mentally unstable and a liar. The CIA officer took his pen, he recounted in an interview, and crossed out the whole paragraph. – A few days later, the lines were back in the speech. Powell stood before the U.N. Security Council on Feb. 5 and said: “We have first-hand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails.”
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Tim Vaculik Says:
Don’t let that fool you.
You don’t fool me at all.
People who use arguments completely devoid of facts rarely do.
People who do not live in reality never do.
You seem to fall in the latter group.
Carry on. It’s at least entertaining comedy.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:27 pmtim, your politics suck, just like your debate skills. people like you are the reason cults exist.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:27 pmhere tim another one for you.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:28 pmhttp://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/
This debate is easily settled. All the troll needs to do is provide proof of Iraqi WMD’s and the link between Saddam and AQ. I won’t wait up.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:28 pmElBruce,
There’s tantalizing circumstancial evidence that Iraq’s stash of WMD’s, particularly of the biologocal and chemical variety, were trucked out of the country in the runup to the war. Syria was the most likely destination.
In fact, there was a plot by a group of terrorists post-war in which they obtained WMD material for an attack inside Jordan. The attack was launched from within Iraq. Problem is, they had no way to get that stuff unless it existed already. Where did it come from?
With respect to the actual existence of pre-war WMD in Iraq. If they didn’t have any, why did they keep saying they did? This came from Saddam as well as his battlefield generals. Our military was convinced they would be used against us in the war.
Bush Lied… COME ON! Tel me another funny one!
October 28th, 2008 at 11:28 pmWayne,
You wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you in the ass.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:29 pmTim Vaculik Says:
EugenDebs,
Like I said on another thread recently, if you could calm down you might make a halfway decent debater.
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Stop snivelling like the pathetic little whiner you are. A six year old girl would be embarassed to whine as much as you. You have called me an idiot a dolt and insulted everyone on this site over and over and then its WWWWAAAHHHHHH its so mean when you treat me the way I treat you. When YOU leave off your insults I will leave off mine as long as YOU are rude its coming back I couldnt care less what you think about it.
As it stands, you are simply rude and obnoxious, but I’m willing to deal with personal insults because I know it means I’m on target.
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No it means YOU are insulting us. You THINK God gave you conservatives the exclusive franchise on personal attacks but that is just another in your long line of fantasies.
Hard to refute a good argument, isn’t it? Been a while and you’re a little rusty, huh?
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No its been easy. For three reasons. I KNOW what I am talking about and you dont. You are a moron without a CLUE about these issues and you really arent very good at this. I mopped the floor with you. It really isnt my fault you are too stupid to understand the issues here.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:29 pmBush administration has used 27 rationales for war in Iraq, study says
Why so many?
October 28th, 2008 at 11:29 pmEugeneDebs,
East there, lightning. Walk slowly to your medicine cabinet…
Also, make sure to only take the recommended doses of your meds…
October 28th, 2008 at 11:31 pm“Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.”
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has 500 tons of chemical weapons:
- Sarin gas
- Mustard gas
- VX Nerve agent
October 28th, 2008 at 11:31 pm———————-
Zero Chemical Weapons Found
Not a drop of any chemical weapons has been found anywhere in Iraq
“U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein
had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable
of delivering chemical agents.”
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has 30,000 weapons capable of dumping chemical weapons on people
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Zero Munitions Found
October 28th, 2008 at 11:31 pmNot a single chemical weapon’s munition has been found anywhere in Iraq
Tim Vaculik Says:
No Timmeh there is no such evidence there are RUMORS and photos of trucks that could have been carrying anything from loot to incriminating photos of Saddams gay orgies. I was wondering when we would hear the A-DOG-ATE-MYWMDs-DEFENSE
October 28th, 2008 at 11:32 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Wayne,
You wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you in the ass.
*
are you a romney republican
or a palin republican?
^
can you tell us why?
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thank you.
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October 28th, 2008 at 11:32 pmpete,
The link to Al Qaida comes in two forms:
Salman Pak
Mohammed Atta’s meeting with an Iraqi intelligence agent
October 28th, 2008 at 11:32 pm“We have also discovered through intelligence
that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.”
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has a growing fleet of planes capable of dispersing chemical weapons almost anywhere in the world
Zero Aerial Vehicles Found
Not a single aerial vehicle capable of dispersing chemical or biological weapons, has been found anywhere in Iraq
Except of course for the boys toys…
October 28th, 2008 at 11:32 pmHow very cute. The troll whines, and points out the personal attacks of others, only to resort to personal attacks of his own.
Still haven’t seen a link to all that proof, ya f ucking piss-soaked troll.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:33 pmTim Vaculik Says:
EugeneDebs,
East there, lightning. Walk slowly to your medicine cabinet…
Also, make sure to only take the recommended doses of your meds…
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Is that the best you can do? A jr high taunt to the facts that beat you like a red headed stepchild? You got schooled because you are a moron. Trying to turn it over on me is just sad and pathetic. Probably the best a moron like you could do but actually pretty weak. I have no emotional investment here. I am amusing myself wiping away your weak arguments like a windshield wiper does the rain.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:33 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Wayne,
You wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you in the ass.
That all you have troll?
Hahahahaha!
Here is a free tip for you: You might be able to type better if you would wash your hands after pulling your “facts” out of your posterior region.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:33 pmOne might think that if Sadaam had been scurrying his missiles, munitions and so forth across the Iraqi desert that perhaps our spy satellites might be able to confirm such activity.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:33 pmWhere’s the beef, Timid?
Damn a Jason Hendler style troll , or perhaps Exley and at this late date .Good luck bub as the reporter at Der Speigel said above , this is common knowledge.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:34 pmOne anomaly I could handle and perhaps excuse but with so many to choose from ,a pattern of criminality against mankind in general and the American people in particular is unmistakable .
I hope your well paid , how much is a mans soul worth these days ?
RUCerious,
Actually, they did find some, but they were old and unusable. Minor technicality, huh?
October 28th, 2008 at 11:35 pmTim Vaculik Says:
RUCerious,
Actually, they did find some, but they were old and unusable. Minor technicality, huh?
*
where can we get
some of the pot
you’re smoking?
^
thank you.
:)
October 28th, 2008 at 11:37 pmWayne,
I’ll amend my comment then. You wouldn’t know an argument based upon facts if it bit you in the ass.
Satisfied?
October 28th, 2008 at 11:37 pmjoe,
You’re a funny guy. If I was still smokin’ I wouldn’t be HERE, I can assure you of that!
October 28th, 2008 at 11:39 pmOn August 26, 2002,
October 28th, 2008 at 11:39 pm“Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.”
dick cheney
freeman Says:
Damn a Jason Hendler style troll , or perhaps Exley
This one is more like Hendler.
Exley had more than 2 brain cells.
Yoda: “The Stupid is strong with this one, yes it is.”
October 28th, 2008 at 11:41 pmTo be a weapon, a munition has to be capable of firing, as in causing damage. Please. Try harder.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:41 pmTimmy, what’s your address, I’ll send you some bud. Then you can go away happy!
October 28th, 2008 at 11:42 pm“The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the facilities to make more and, according to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given. . . . This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material could build one within a year.”
October 28th, 2008 at 11:43 pmgeorge bush sept 2002 radio address
That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all day and I’ve heard some funny stuff today……ha.
Let me tell ya something timmy, the victors get to write the history. You lost. You lost big and you have lost for a long time.
As a result, your lies will not be written as the history of the events you describe, acutal facts will be used and it won’t go well for bush and his crime cabel.
too bad for you loser.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:44 pmEugeneDebs,
I’ll leave you with this:
There’s no denying you have issues with your anger. That’s plain for anyone to see.
Further, the way in which you have expressed it towards me, a person you don’t even know, from the VERY FIRST post you made in response to a comment I posted some days ago clearly shows the depth of your seething hatred, bitterness and anger.
Thus the sarcastic reference to meds… If you don’t have any you might consider getting some or possibly self-medicating if you are of a mind to do so!
October 28th, 2008 at 11:44 pmFred,
“Let me tell ya something timmy, the victors get to write the history.”
Oooohhh, you been reading up on Lenin and Stalin again? That’s a very revealing comment, but I suspect you might not even realize it.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:45 pmfreeman,
Yeah, I hear you. The question is, did he just make that stuff up or did he have a basis upon which to make that judgement?
October 28th, 2008 at 11:47 pmWe know exactly where the wmd’s are, they are east west and north of bagdad…..rummy.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:47 pmWho let the bottom feeding, knuckle dragging, troglodyte, Tim V. out of his cage? Twenty three percenters are not supposed to be out this late.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:48 pmYou know tim by now this is the most well researched topic on the planet , millions of people world wide have look this over and the consensus is without question the war was sold to the american public on lies and false hoods , which have cause the deaths of 1 1/2 million in Iraq .
October 28th, 2008 at 11:49 pmRUCerious,
Thanks, but I prefer German beer! I’m good. Actually quite relaxed.
As I say to my dogs, “Time to go night night!”
Later, folks.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:49 pmpeople lie and get away with it
October 28th, 2008 at 11:51 pmWow, that’s a lame troll. I guess he thinks, after 8 years of lying GWB, that we’ll believe shit just cuz he says it.
Well, maybe “thinks” is a bad choice of words…
October 28th, 2008 at 11:51 pmLike a broken clock twice a day, sometiems conspiracy theories are true. http://straighttalkonmccain.blogspot.com/
October 28th, 2008 at 11:51 pmtim, don’t the door hit your ass on the way out, buddy!
October 28th, 2008 at 11:51 pmmore lies by bush admin
October 28th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
go on timmy ya coward.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:52 pmRealize this….you don’t get to decide what the history will be…
You will be defending the liars for many years……happy trails.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:54 pmBaloney those two bits of idiocy were long ago debunked. Salman Pak was a counterrerrorism training base and the 9/11 commission denied the Atta meeting
http://www.newyorker.com/ archive/ 2003/ 05/ 12/ 030512fa_fact?currentPage=3
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2004/ 06/ 18/ politics/ 18DEBA.html?ei=5007&en=5db789c12c345a31&ex=1402977600&adxnnl=1&partner=USERLAND&adxnnlx=1134658645-j9MwbgXOISLGoYH+m0UBsw&pagewanted=print&position=
October 28th, 2008 at 11:56 pmZooey Says:
Well, maybe “thinks” is a bad choice of words…
Timmy Troll: “When I thinks, I falls asleep.”
October 28th, 2008 at 11:58 pmTim Vaculik Says:
There’s no denying you have issues with your anger. That’s plain for anyone to see.
Further, the way in which you have expressed it towards me, a person you don’t even know, from the VERY FIRST post you made in response to a comment I posted some days ago clearly shows the depth of your seething hatred, bitterness and anger.
Thus the sarcastic reference to meds… If you don’t have any you might consider getting some or possibly self-medicating if you are of a mind to do so!
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Leave your amazing mind reading powers out of this. You dont know me or whether I have any anger or anything else actually. I amuse myself and YOU have been insulting and rude from the very first post of yours I ever read. You may THINK that if you snivel enough we will just let YOU have the exclusive franchise on insulting us. Speaking only for myself that will never happen. However I am only amusing myself and have no anger whatsoever. You are a moron. Why would I be mad at you? You arent challenging, you arent smart and the only emotion you bring out in me it pity. Pity for your sad and brainwashed delusions that you actually think are anything other than abject stupidity that have long ago been shown to be exactly that
October 29th, 2008 at 12:00 amBush made a mistake tim ? It took the lives of 1 1/2 million INCLUDING Americans . Worldwide your apologisms are not in vogue .
October 29th, 2008 at 12:00 amMust be lonely supporting fascism .
Later, timmeh, much much much later if we have even a shred of luck…
October 29th, 2008 at 12:02 amChina release that report along time ago and the United Nations has that information and much more about the Bush Administration. Pelosi got kick backs to keep impeachment off the table but the Bush Administration will be charged with War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. Many US Law Makers from both Parties got kick backs but the UN will have many World Leaders looking for Justice. As the US often charged many other terrorist leaders for their crimes now turn around is fair play. Russia and China will be more then willing to lead the way.
October 29th, 2008 at 12:03 amTim Vaculik Says:
freeman,
Yeah, I hear you. The question is, did he just make that stuff up or did he have a basis upon which to make that judgement?
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Actually that is NOT the question. He stated it as an absolute FACT. So the question is did he have ANY reason to question if it were true. Yes he did. The State Depst intelligence arm the INR was giving him THEIR doubts in every report. The CIA early was ALSO not on board which is WHY the Administration made the Dept of Special Plans to stovepipe the Chalabi defector lies to the White House without the CIA telling them that those guys were liars who couldnt pass a lie detector test. So since he DID have good reason to doubt the CERTAINTY of these claims he shouldnt have stated them as if they WERE certain
October 29th, 2008 at 12:05 amApparently Tim never watched Colin Powell make a foolm of himself at the UN . I fdid it was the most ridiculous presentation I have ever seen .
October 29th, 2008 at 12:07 amI was 100 % sure we would invade the mid east if bush was elected the first time and told anyone who would listen . Sometimes it sucks to be right .
Tim Vaculik babbles:
Oooohhh, you been reading up on Lenin and Stalin again?
The troll is lacking in basic common knowledge as well.
The quote “history is written by the victors” is usually attributed to Churchill, not Lenin or Stalin.
I suspect the troll felt the need to mention those two names to appear somewhat knowledgeable of, well, something.
October 29th, 2008 at 12:07 amRichard Clark’s account of the hours following 911 is very revealing.
October 29th, 2008 at 12:08 amGive it up Tim you been SPANKED dude.
October 29th, 2008 at 12:09 ami bet little timmy thinks we’re actually spreading democracy in the middle east… nah, this isn’t a war for oil… nah-uh. no waaaaay.
October 29th, 2008 at 12:11 amThey wanted a war and they did what they needed to get it. They used the war as cover to raid the US Treasury. They killed over ONE MILLION innocent people along the way. Had a purple thumb election for propaganda purposes and a surge to sell a victory to the gullible US public. Kagan and his type are despicable, miserable excuses for human beings.
October 29th, 2008 at 12:15 amKagan is an adviser to McCain….reason enough to vote Obama.
October 29th, 2008 at 12:20 amfreeman Says:
Apparently Tim never watched Colin Powell make a foolm of himself at the UN . I fdid it was the most ridiculous presentation I have ever seen .
I was 100 % sure we would invade the mid east if bush was elected the first time and told anyone who would listen . Sometimes it sucks to be right .
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Apparantly Timmeh doesnt know ANYTHING that he wasnt told to know by Limbaugh or one of his ilk. Judging that is by the long ago debunked idiocy he tried to pass off on this thread. Atta in Prague???? Are you FKing KIDDING ME?
October 29th, 2008 at 12:24 am9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
October 29th, 2008 at 12:33 amAnd it all comes unraveled as Tehran is pressuring Maliki not to sign the security and status of force agreement, Odierno is threatening to pull out all services, pack up and go home.
Democracy’s a b!tch, ain’t it!
October 29th, 2008 at 12:34 amMe thinks tiny tim is very good at confronting the facts with mis information and debate , perhaps he can defend the fuhrer in court.
October 29th, 2008 at 12:35 am“I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,” Alan greenspan
EugeneDebs Says:
Apparantly Timmeh doesnt know ANYTHING that he wasnt told to know by Limbaugh or one of his ilk. Judging that is by the long ago debunked idiocy he tried to pass off on this thread. Atta in Prague???? Are you FKing KIDDING ME?
He is definitely a LIV (Loooooooowwww Information Voter)
Once upon a time, there were a few trolls you could actually test your debate skills on hanging around.
October 29th, 2008 at 12:41 amThey are long gone now.
.
Q U E S T I O N:
What’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy fact but the charges of criminality.
To date, no accountability of the war of aggression against a nation that:
1) NEVER ATTACKED THE USA
2) NEVER POSED AN IMMINENT THREAT TO THE USA
3) DID NOT POSSES KNOW QUANTITIES OF WMD’S
4) WAS NOT IN CONTACT WITH Al-CIA-DUH!!!
The fact that the Bush Administration is being let off scott free of ANY(!) consequential accountability for their needless and senseless war of aggression only gives permission for the radical Republicans to scapegoat the egregious atrocities wrought by the Bush maladministration upon dissenters and outraged people world wide as “NUTTY” conspiracy theorists.
More so, that CONgress refuses to hold the Bush Administration accountable for setting the stage for a rise in Al-CIA-DUH recruiting and civil unrest in the region, CONgress should ALSO be held culpable for the continuance of the WAR CRIMES that have been perpetrated in America’s name.
R E M E M B E R:
BECAUSE OF THE POOR JUDGMENT OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND THE LACK OF WILLINGNESS OF OUR CONGRESS TO REIGN THIS ADMINISTRATION IN, AMERICA IS LESS SAFE!!!
I REPEAT:
BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF WILLINGNESS BY OUR CONGRESS…
… AMERICA IS LESS SAFE!!!
Impeachment off the table=accountability off the table=UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
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October 29th, 2008 at 12:48 amIt’s almost hard to believe the troll would offer the Atta “connection” as “evidence” of Hussein’s involvement in the 9/11 attacks, when even Cheney has tried to walk away from that claim:
BORGER: “Well, let’s get to Mohamed Atta for a minute because you mentioned him, as well. You have said in the past that it was, quote, ‘pretty well confirmed.’”
CHENEY: “No, I never said that.”
~CNBC, 6/20/04
Obviously, the troll hasn’t kept up his talking points up to date. On top of it all, he is also a slacker…
October 29th, 2008 at 1:00 amI miss TimMaY! already. After a few thousand hours of reading these type of posts/comments, I have never laughed so hard.
Joe, you’re hilarious. Nice zingers Eugene.
October 29th, 2008 at 1:03 amthere is talk of forming an international tribunal to investigate the events of 9/11.
http://www.911blogger.com/node/17775
October 29th, 2008 at 1:09 amhttp://www.911blogger.com/node/13392
http://www.911blogger.com/node/12800
http://www.911blogger.com/node/17641
debunking 9/11 debunking
October 29th, 2008 at 1:26 amOh, poo, I missed the troll roasting :(
I so enjoyed your posts, guys. I had to do the smack-down last night, but I can smell the burnt troll hair still. :D :D :D
October 29th, 2008 at 2:14 amJust as Sen. Obama stated time and again, these lying tactics don’t work anymore, people just don’t believe in all the lying old tricks the repugs play. “joe” blows and such are really desperate moves from a out-of-date/touch party.
repugs have “joe” blows while we have real people like Mr. Charles. A real US citizen.
Leave a message for Mr. Charles on YouTube.
Obama\Biden
October 29th, 2008 at 2:24 ammcchimpy rally becomes paranoid.
I heard on KO show today that canned applause was played over the boos when moosey dropped the puck. (the appearance when her young daughter was paraded out)
October 29th, 2008 at 2:38 amChrisSEA said it at #4:
October 29th, 2008 at 3:35 am935 recorded lies. The meeting in Prague, the drones, the shack in the north, the ties to al Qaeda, the 500 tons, the 32,000 liters, the 28,000 liters, trying to aquire uranium from Africa, Saddam kicked out the inspectors, the aluminum tubes, mobile weapons labs, etc., etc.
Keith, AT THE VERY LEAST, Bush et al, should have been canned long ago for SHEER INCOMPETENCE.
Again, whether Bush lied or not is less of an issue with me (ok, it is a BIG deal). It’s the fact that he’s just INCOMPETENT. Truly, how many people would have kept their jobs if they made one MASSIVE mistake after another, year after year after year.
Oh, and let’s not forget that ALL the Republicans (and thus McCain) have to offer is THE SURGE! That’s it. That’s all they have. Obama was right in calling him out on the fact that there were year of bungled and mismanaged war (that Bush started) before they stumbled on this particular tactic.
October 29th, 2008 at 3:50 am“trying to acquire uranium from Africa” was known to be a bad forgery 11 months before Bush said it in the SOTU. Ditto “the aluminum tubes”. Curveball was known to be lying before Powell’s speech in the UN based solely on his testimoney.
October 29th, 2008 at 3:51 amI should also say that while reading the debate going on here, particularly with Tim the Right WIng Apologist, it strikes me how his main goal is just to excuse the BUsh incompetence.
“Oh, Bush didn’t lie, he just didn’t do a great job with the intelligence he had’.
Well too bad, he royally messed up and WE are paying for his incompetence. Sorry Right Wingers, you’re outa-here!
October 29th, 2008 at 3:53 amHave you ever noticed how many of these men are fat, ugly, nerdy, weird looking, like Karl Rove? I wonder how much of their fascism is based on either 1. they couldn’t get laid in college. or 2. they are closet queens who are so ugly they can’t pick up anyone on line or at a gay bar???? It’s remarkable to me how many of them are just trolls, in the gay pickup sense.
October 29th, 2008 at 5:30 amTim, it’s called critical thinking…use it when Bush says something…
October 29th, 2008 at 6:02 amTim Vaculik Says:
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Fact #1
In order to lie, a person must know that what they are saying is in fact untrue.
If, as most of you contend, the President lied then had to have known that pre-war intelligence was completely false and unreliable. This was simply not the case and no amount of saying it was doesn’t make it so!
Tim first of all you should stop talking long enough for someone else to say something. Second after 935 assertions that turned out to be not true makes GW Bush look like an uninformed uneducated Turdblossom if his staff could fool him 935 times.
Get a friggin real arguement will ya. All you are doing is shifting the assertion he lied over to an assertion he was an IDIOT> Both of which happen to be true.
Remember which Ahole ignored the GOOD intelligence about Al-Qaeda attacking inside the US. God who woul;d have thunk that would happen.
First off get a memory. Second make a decent arguement.
October 29th, 2008 at 6:09 amsacopenapa Says:
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9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
Ok this is way off topic but I have had enough of these windbag pyote dreams.
Bullpucky. 9/11 was the direct result of stupidity, lack of common sense, a sense of entitlement, poor judgement, an inability to read, and lack of education.
The Bush administartion was and still is too stupid to have put together something like that. Also if it were true we would have heard something about it by now given all the chickenhawks bailing ship and ratting on GW and his dishonest crew. Just think Scott McClellan for a second.
Want a real possibility for 9/11 try this:
In 1993 Al-Qaeda tried to topple the WTC Tower one over onto Tower two. The tried to blow out the supporting beam structure to make it fall over side ways. They were also hoping to knock over tower two. I don’t think it takes too much intelligence to determine that Al-Qaeda might try this again. It also doesn’t take much intelligence to think we just dodged a bullet and we need to do something about it right now so we are prepared in case they manage to pull this off again. DO YOU REALLY THINK NOONE NOTICED THE KIND OF DAMAGE THAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO DOWNTOWN MANHATTAN IF THE TWO TOWERS FELL OVER SIDEWAYS AND DESTROYED HALF OF DOWNTOWN MANHATTAN. If you do you are as simple as GW was!
So what would be the logical result. The best thing you can do to stop two 110 story towers from falling sideways is to demolish them under control and have them fall in their own footprint. Sound familiar? Watch the CNN tapes. The first tower starts to fall sideways and then the bottom falls out from it.
Take an overhead scale view of downtown Manhattan and superimpose a 110 story building, lying on it’s side across downtown Manhattan. Then do it a second time for the other tower. Now add all the people in the WTC tower and all the NYC citizens in all the streets and buildings across lower Manhattan. And that doesn’t take in to account the lose of businesses and having downtown Manhattan shut down for moths and maybe years! How much of a financial catastrophe would that have caused.
Now do you not think that it makes sense that they set those two buildings up for controlled demolition just based on that information alone. David Ray Griffin, for such an educated person, cannot see the forest for the trees.
It is better to sacrifice 3500 to save 10,000 more. And as bad as that sounds put yourself in the position of having to make that call and see if you would! That is what the government does. Makes hard ugly decisions about who lives or dies. It’s just a shame that that decision came from the stupidity of the turdblossom in chief.
I have plenty more common sense debunks for this crap and the official conspiracy theory. The government doesn’t want to cop to any of this because they think you will hate them for it and they will lose power plain and simple.
Now get over the stupid INSIDE JOB idiot theory. GW and his Admin got caught with their pants down, by Al-Qaeda, plain and simple. Then they did what they had to do to minimize the casualties. Then they lied there asses off about what they did in order to hold power. And that disinformation is why YOU THINK THE US GOVERNMENT ATTACKED ITS OWN COUTRY AND CITIZENS.
Sounds a lot more common sense than the US government planning and perpetrating this whole thing.
Get a grip and think clearly.
October 29th, 2008 at 6:40 amI wonder how George W. Bush became the least popular President in memory and virtually destroy his own party–all without telling a single lie. The man deserves credit for this remarkable accomplishment.
October 29th, 2008 at 6:47 amKagan is just one of the people who fooled our little woodenhead president into taking us to war. He would say this wouldn’t he?
October 29th, 2008 at 7:20 amupnorth Says
October 29th, 2008 at 6:40 am
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OK, this is an interesting theory, and one I haven’t heard before — that the WTC was preset for controlled demolition just in case something like this would happen.
If your theory is true, this means that for years, the WTC was wired with explosives, “just in case”. Presumably, any other building or structure that terrorists may have their eye on is also wired with explosives — the Empire State Building, the Sears Tower, etc. This would create a significant hazard for those who occupy these buildings — surely the fire departments in these areas aren’t happy about this (and it would be hard to keep this a secret from them, since they inspect these buildings regularly). Furthermore, the possibility of having any of these explosives go off accidentally is pretty significant. Can you imagine the PR nightmare as the questions rise about why demolition explosives are detonating in our skyscrapers?
Also, who made the decision to kill 3,000 to save 10,000? Such a decision — especially when our nation is under attack — would be made by the POTUS. And we saw that Bush was staring glassy-eyed in an elementary school classroom holding a copy of “My Pet Goat”.
October 29th, 2008 at 7:47 amKagan while seeming to dismiss this “conspiracy theory” is actually ignoring his complicity in taking our nation to a war of choice in Iraq.
October 29th, 2008 at 8:00 amupnorth Says:
Now do you not think that it makes sense that they set those two buildings up for controlled demolition just based on that information alone. David Ray Griffin, for such an educated person, cannot see the forest for the trees.
NOT yelling at you, here, but the implication is either as
misshusseinmolly said above (the buildings were pre-set with demolitions to take them down): which is pretty insane, and in itself would be a HUGE security flaw. Or you propose that in a very, very short time after the first strike that demolitions were brought into each building and set. The problem with the second scenerio is that to properly calculate and set demolitions to bring down such buildings it takes considerable time to plan and to properly set such demolitions. Up to weeks to plan such an event, and at least days to set the charges.
Now, full-blown “inside job” or complicit ignorance (ala Pearl Harbor), one or the other must be true. Far too many things had to go WRONG for this to have happened as it did.
To claim that the series of events that allowed this were “just an unfortunate series of coincidences” is actually much more difficult to believe than that there was some measure of inside complicity to the atacks which aided them in succeeding. And it is certainly NO MORE a stretch of the imagination to believe that these events were orchestrated than to believe that such a ludicrous series of coincidental failures occurred at PRECISELY the right moment to allow these attacks to succeed. Really.
October 29th, 2008 at 8:20 amAnd the convenient use of “conspiracy theory” as a bad thing — there has been a huge push to make any thought or use of “conspiracy theory” to mean “lunatic fringe”. Which is not true. There are and have been conspiracies. It is an actual legal term, and an actual crime. You can be charged with “conspiracy”. It is not automatically a brand of the lunatic and untruth. Those who conspire on very large scales would like for everyone to maintain the assosciation that “conspiracy theory” = “raving of a lunatic”.
October 29th, 2008 at 8:25 amthinkprogress.org team, i see what you are doing here. “sneaking” these topics in and leaving threads like this one to cook overnight.
thank you! you do us all a great service by opening the forum to these discussions.
October 29th, 2008 at 8:27 amThe biggest offense I take from this White House is that they offend all in America by treating us as if we had no brains or intelligence at all. Still pretending to tell us that there was no crime, no plot, no conspiracy in starting this crazy war is outreageous. I think that those people are actually DEMENTED.
October 29th, 2008 at 8:50 amThe Bush Administration biggest lie and perhaps biggest crime centers on the fact that 911 and the Anthrax attack was obviously an inside job and a poorly executed one at that.
The reason why half this country does not believe 19 arab young men learned how to fly airliners, took over 4 aircraft with nothing but box cutters, successfully attacked 3 out of 4 targets in the most heavily defended airspace on the face of the earth with no help from the ground defeating the FBI, CIA, Law Enforcement, Norad and the US Air Force is that the story is unbelievable.
Further, 3 steel frame buildings completely collapsing into their own footprints at free fall speeds due to fire goes against fundamental laws of physics. Fire has never done this to a steel framed building ever yet we are to believe it happened three times on 911. Hell, one of the buildings, tower 7 was never hit by an aircraft.
When the government releases the extensive tape of the so called airliner hitting the Pentagon then maybe I will start believing the Bush administration. Go to the video and pictures that day and ask yourself where is the wreckage? Where are the engines, bodies and why was the hole in the side of the building so small?
We now know the Anthrax sent to the Liberal Senators and liberal news stations came from a US lab and not Al Queda.
Me thinks it is time to investigate this war criminal administration and their involvement in the most horriffic crime in the history of this country.
We alrady know the lied about Iraq, yellow cake, and outing a US spy.
Bush supporters or so called trolls or Dittoheads have been hypnotised by hate radio and need to be de-programmed by exposing to them the real truth.
Re-Investigate 911!
October 29th, 2008 at 9:18 amThe last post ends with re-investigate 911. I should have said investigate 911.
Most people do not realize the 911 Comission was never tasked to find out who did it. They were tasked to come-up with ways to fix the system from ever letting it happen again.
I should have said it is time to finally investigate the biggest crime in U.S. history.
October 29th, 2008 at 9:20 amDebunking the “Pancake Theory”, Steven E. Jones, PhD
October 29th, 2008 at 9:48 amGraeme MacQueen, PhD; first response emergency workers (118 accounts of explosions)
FBI complicity in 1993 WTC bombing.
October 29th, 2008 at 9:49 amTim Vaculik Says:
If, as most of you contend, the President lied then had to have known that pre-war intelligence was completely false and unreliable. This was simply not the case and no amount of saying it was doesn’t make it so!
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Um hey a$$hat, Senator Dick Durbin who was part of the intelligence commitee who were brought into the Whitehouse and shown the “intelligence” reports by the Bushites and said a couple of years later that everyone in the meeting that day knew the evidence was weak and cherry picked but Durbin went on to say that he nor any of the other senators in the meeting could say anything publically under the threat of prison due to the meeting being classified and a National Security risk. Your defense of our countries worst president and war criminal shows just how blind and ignorant you really are.
Game of Life Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 10:00 amI heard on KO show today that canned applause was played over the boos when moosey dropped the puck. (the appearance when her young daughter was paraded out)
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I believe the GOP used canned chants of U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A during the republican national convention in St.Paul just to cue the crowd.
If they had nothing to hide…..
Why did they try to hide everything?
October 29th, 2008 at 10:18 amI am always amazed at how often the conservatives refer to progressive in terms known to belong exclusively to conservative misdeeds. Calling Progressives brown shirts is like calling conservatives laid back hippies.
At what point in history have the progressives ever oppressed the conservatives in the way that conservatives and reactionaries are more than willing to oppress everyone else?
How oxymoronic of them.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:35 amRobert Kagan, PNAC dip sh#t and tool. What other response could he make??
October 29th, 2008 at 4:00 pmEugeneDebs,
You’re a HOOT at #132.
Sure is interesting that Salman Pak would be a facility used for counter-terrorism when the people using it were NON-IRAQI’s (read terrorists) training to take over aircraft with box cutters! The facility was top-secret and staffed by Iraqis, but the Iraqis WERE NOT training there.
You make me laugh.
As far as Mohammed Atta’s meeting in Prague is concerned, the Czechs stand by their intelligence and assert that the meeting did indeed take place. If memory serves me, the 9-11 commission language didn’t deny it, just said there wasn’t enough evidence to say it happened with 100% certainty.
Again, I get a lot of chuckles reading your posts.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:32 pm