After Calling Social Security An ‘Absolute Disgrace,’ McCain Says Safety Nets Are ‘What America Is All About’
After Calling Social Security An ‘Absolute Disgrace,’ McCain Says Safety Nets Are ‘What America Is All About’
In an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity last night, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) claimed it was a “far-left liberal view that you need to take money from one group of Americans and give it to another.” Yet in the same breath, McCain praised the social safety net system, in particular Social Security:
McCAIN: Now, of course we have an obligation to take care of citizens in our society who can’t care for themselves. That’s why we have those programs, those Safety Net Programs. But you know, the Safety Net Program, a lot of Americans pay in to Social Security, they pay in to a number of those programs. So the point is, yes, a society and government takes care of citizens who need our help. That’s what America is all about.
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McCain has claimed that Social Security is “broken” and has campaigned alongside President Bush to privatize the system. In July, he went a step further and said Social Security is an “absolute disgrace“:
Americans have got to understand that we are paying present day retirees with the taxes paid by young workers…and that’s a disgrace. It’s an absolute disgrace.
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In August, in honor of the 73rd anniversary of the Social Security Act, the New Mexico Democratic Party attempted to sing “Happy 73rd Birthday to Social Security” outside of a McCain campaign office, “only to have the birthday cake thrown in the trash by the campaign.”
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Flippy McDipshit strikes again!
October 29th, 2008 at 9:52 amBut you know, the Safety Net Program, a lot of Americans pay in to Social Security, they pay in to a number of those programs. So the point is, yes, a society and government takes care of citizens who need our help. That’s what America is all about.
Holy crap! Is that what Barack Obama is saying now? Government takes care of CITIZENS? What a socialist! What a communist! What an anti-American!
Oh, wait - it was McCain who said that? Heh. Never mind...
October 29th, 2008 at 9:54 amSo nothing new from Mcflipper.........what does Palin have to say about it?
October 29th, 2008 at 9:57 amJoe the Phony-Baloney Bald-Headed Escaped-Mental-Patient Plumber: "Commie pinko Marxist socialist liberal freak...!"
October 29th, 2008 at 10:00 amThe whole Palin-McCain campaign is in the trash and on November 4 the garbage truck makes its pick-up.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:01 amSafety Net Program? Socialist Creed?
It's beginning to sound like McCain is having some leakage from his years at the Hanoi Hilton.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:01 amCommunism is a dead threat anymore, John-Boy...
Republicans seem unaware their "socialism" meme is backfiring.
The Right are deficient in the area of self-criticism. They can't see that eight years of Republican rule have made socialism look pretty damn good.
If they can pour billions of our money into corrupt corporations, we can damn well take it back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiBWkNFtrEg
October 29th, 2008 at 10:03 amCindy must have cut off his allowance...
October 29th, 2008 at 10:03 amSmells like another flip flop to me.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:04 amHuh? This is "honor"? Say anything at any time just to win an election? Didn't he just describe Obama in that same way? Obama needs to hit back at McCain for all of his flipping.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:09 amIn an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity last night, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) claimed it was a “far-left liberal view that you need to take money from one group of Americans and give it to another.”
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Well being an elitist, Johnny McMansion isn't going to tell the truth that the redistribution of wealth in this country comes from the middleclass and goes to the rich. The tax cuts for the wealthy as I recall was signed by the fascist Bush regime and approved by the rubber stamp republikkkan majority in congress. There are lots of tax loopholes for the elite to take advantage of and of course off shore tax shelters but you won't hear Johnny McMansion mention this.
I see know problem with raising capital gains taxes or starting a tax on speculators. These people don't work or sweat for these financial gains unlike the labor of hard working Americans whose labor is taxed. Someone once said that when the money handlers and paper shufflers on Wall Street make more money than the average worker, this country is doomed.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:11 amknow = no
October 29th, 2008 at 10:13 amA lot of Americans pay into SS? A lot?
How about everyone who really works? Let's out Senators and Reps, because they have a gold-plated lifetime plan.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:14 amSomeone should ask McCain what would have happened to the social security benefits of millions of Americans had his and Bush's plan to privatize SS would have succeeded. Just more poor judgement by Johnny McLoser.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:17 amSo the point is, yes, a society and government takes care of citizens who need our help. That’s what America is all about.
Ask a majority of Americans who need some help if they think that their government is taking care of them. I'm betting the answer would be a resounding NO!
October 29th, 2008 at 10:18 amI think McCain realizes that he has to go back to the SEnate and work with the in coming Democratic majority.
He cares more abouit being liked than he does about anything else.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:19 amIf McSame thinks that SS is a disgrace than why is he taking SS? He is getting disability money from the government. His wift gets enough money that he should refuse the SS, disability and being a Senator.
VOTE OBAMA!!!!!
October 29th, 2008 at 10:20 amOMG -- he truly will say ANYTHING that sounds good to his ear, won't he?
He's really starting to sound like an unspooled Stepford wife. I really miss the 2000 version of McCain -- I didn't always agree with his views, but at least he had principles and consistent positions. And he could string together words in sentences that made sense.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:24 amOT, but Princess Bobblehead is delivering an energy "policy" speech right now, and I honestly can't figure out what the phuck she's even saying! The audience seems equally puzzled, as there is no applause.
I think it's just one big run-on sentence, also, even, though.
PEACE
October 29th, 2008 at 10:25 amunbelievable Says:
He cares more about being liked than he does about anything else.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:19 am
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Given the way he's alienated liberals, moderates, conservatives, and even his former self over the course of this campaign, it sure doesn't look that way. It looks to me like winning is his only goal - it doesn't matter how many bridges he burns to get there.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:25 amOnce again we have another example of overzealous reporting from TP. I'm a longtime fan of this site and I appreciate the many articles highlighting the failures of the McCain campaign. I also look forward to President Obama in office. However, I must point out these certain tactics in your reporting. The title would have one believe that McCain thinks Social Security is a disgrace, but clearly after reading the article McCain says we need Social Security, and the disgrace is the fact that present day retirees are being paid with the taxes by young workers.
McCain does enough to tank himself. TP doesn't need to reach like this to highlight this poor man's failed repuglican policies or goals.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:26 amspencers mom Says: OT, but Princess Bobblehead is delivering an energy “policy” speech right now, and I honestly can’t figure out what the phuck she’s even saying! The audience seems equally puzzled, as there is no applause.
I really wish someone would ask her how dinosaurs became oil in only 6,000 years, when it actually takes millions of years for the process to occur.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:29 amLemme get this straight. We have an obligation to take care of the members of our society who need help. But it's "far-left" to take money from one group of people and give it to another (I presume that taxes of any kind is a "far-left" idea).
Does Flippy McSpin have any ideas on how to take care of the have-nots without any help from the haves?
And why is more and more of a Palin-like nonsense creeping into his proclamations? Is it contagious?
October 29th, 2008 at 10:29 ameLad in MO Says:
The title would have one believe that McCain thinks Social Security is a disgrace, but clearly after reading the article McCain says we need Social Security, and the disgrace is the fact that present day retirees are being paid with the taxes by young workers.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:26 am
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But he did call Social Security a disgrace. The concept of present-day retiress being paid with the taxes of young workers is the very definition of Social Security. When he calls the "current system" a disgrace, he's referring to the fact that the system hasn't been privatized into a 401(k).
It's kinda like saying "I like cats, except for their whiskers and claws and tails and cat ears and all those other cat parts."
October 29th, 2008 at 10:30 amThe disgrace is that the money from Social Security is being "borrowed" to fund illegal wars for oil.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:33 amMcCain has continually supported the Borrow and Spend policies of his fellow Republicrooks, so he may as well STFU.
unbelievable Says
October 29th, 2008 at 10:29 am
I really wish someone would ask her how dinosaurs became oil in only 6,000 years, when it actually takes millions of years for the process to occur.
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That's an easy one. The "6,000 years" crowd believes that God put the oil in the earth exactly where it lies today, and the dinosaurs have nothing to do with it. Those who will admit a connection between dinosaurs and oil will claim the process came about through God's magic wand.
Don't laugh -- people really believe this stuff.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:33 amunbelievable Says:
I really wish someone would ask her how dinosaurs became oil in only 6,000 years, when it actually takes millions of years for the process to occur.
Morning UnB! The short answer? God's will.
I believe that being able to pronounce the word "nuclear" should be a prerequisite for running for any office.
PEACE
October 29th, 2008 at 10:33 amhussein toasterhead Says: It looks to me like winning is his only goal - it doesn’t matter how many bridges he burns to get there.
I've seen countless photos of him basking in the glory of the applause he received at his stump speeches. It was nearly psychotic, but also somewhat immature.
It was visually clear that he doesn't want to be President, but that he he wants to be liked (approval he never received from his paternal role models), and he simply equates winning the Presidency with being liked most.
I think he is now considering what happens if he doesn't win. He has to have an alternative plan for still being liked, in some other manner. Well, he's going to have to start agreeing with the Democrats who are quite 'popular' right now...
October 29th, 2008 at 10:34 amIn an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity last night, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) claimed it was a “far-left liberal view that you need to take money from one group of Americans and give it to another.”
Why can't these guys ever be specific about which "groups" they are discussing?
October 29th, 2008 at 10:36 amI can't believe that right his minute McSame is in Miami, Florida with his newly created rightwing celebrity Joe the Plumber for a "Joe the Plumber" Rally. Two lame asses together at the same time. That desperate joke is sure to be a real winner among the undecided voters.
But on the other hand, yes I can believe it.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:36 amShame And The 2008 Election
Angie Riedel
The presidential election is only a matter of days away now. I wish I could say there is reason to be optimistic that it will bring an end to the reign of greed and destruction of the bush regime. The reality is that there is little to be optimistic about.
A new president will not herald the changes we want and so desperately need. There will be no more than a changing of faces that will still tell us lies. We will still have a king instead of a leader. He will still act as though the constitution is somewhere between optional and flat out objectionable.
We will still have a government that is separated from us, that asserts a right to be above us and to rule over us with two separate sets of laws. The laws for themselves forgive every felony and lie, and excuse every wrongful death, theft and trespass. The laws for us forgive nothing, excuse nothing, and mete out brutal punishments and imprisonment even before crimes have been committed. ? We will still be held hostage by, and held accountable for the mental midgetry of our disconnected elites. We will still have multimillionaire legislators and multimillionaire White House denizens who's services are already pre-purchased by people whose interests are in direct conflict with our own.
Follow up:
Too many of our elected pseudo-deities literally have no idea what it means to work for a dollar, or to struggle to get by, or to slowly drown in insurmountable debt and burden until the point is finally reached where there are no further options and everything is lost. They have no idea what it's like to feel yourself going down for the last count while nobody seems to care. I guarantee you, they don't know, and they don't care. They're too busy handing free hundreds of billions of our hard earned dollars to billionaire bankers who blow more cash on a few days at the spa than ten of us earn in a year. They call that a "bail out". What it needs to be called is a bald faced rip off the likes of which has never been seen, the biggest most despicable financial heist in living history.
No discussion whatsoever has been raised to change the system of the ultra rich sucking the life blood out of the struggling working class, and nothing will be done to change it. Therefore no matter who wins the prestigious career prize of the presidency, we the people will still not be served. We will continue to be used, marginalized and lied to while they rip us off and treat us with ever more disrespect. Who's going to stop them? They're supposed to be stopping themselves.
Where are the checks and balances? That's a dang good question. They're gone. And I'm sorry but whoever the next president is, do you really expect him to bring them back?
It's always been the case that every right and freedom we've ever won for ourselves has only come about through tremendous struggle, and with our government fighting us every step of the way; and now that process will be harder than ever. The very idea of the people having anything resembling a fair share of prosperity or having any true freedom has become officially undesirable. Such things would threaten the imperial rule of this globalist oligarchy. All that matters to them is themselves. The only other thing that matters is that we comply. And should we fail to comply the punishments are ever more swift in coming.
I wish I could say that democracy and freedom have not been imprisoned, tortured and murdered along with the still uncounted civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, but they are every bit as dead as the innocent citizens of those foreign lands, and every bit as dead and wounded and permanently disabled as our own soldiers who went to those foreign lands with the desire to serve and do something good for those people and yet so often ended up betrayed, disillusioned, abandoned and treated like chattel.
In spite of the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans have made it perfectly clear that we want our troops pulled out of the Middle East now, both of the leading candidates have already pledged to keep all battlefronts going, and to fund them and even to send more troops abroad. The 2008 election won't bring an end to the militarism we abhor, it will extend it.
The depth and breadth of the damage done in the small space of eight years truly exceeds comprehension. Please don't believe it was all a string of accidents made by inept and clumsy clowns and morons. This much destruction took a tremendous amount of planning and concerted effort to achieve. It is no accident that it all plays right into the hands of those who want to shove their one world government and Agenda 21 treachery down our throats.
The neo-con machine has consciously worked to undo and destroy everything we believe in and stand for. Bush has recklessly spent more money than all presidents before him combined. He has broken every rule of democratic government in the name of his self-proclaimed imperial right to be "the decider". He's broken every law he didn't like in spite of being well counseled that it's still criminal when the president does it. This president proclaimed his own lawbreaking to be his presidential prerogative, as if his own personal desires are of more value than the laws we need to protect us specifically from the likes of him. That won't change with the 2008 elections. What president is going to give up having imperial power?
The bush regime has consistently treated the working class and the poor with disrespect and contempt. Every assault on our freedoms and rights has been carried out with characteristic smugness and arrogance. His anti-democracy team purposely sought to undermine and redefine freedom, rights and justice not to improve upon these concepts but to negate them.
Little if anything that belongs to us has been left unmolested. We've had sweeping attacks on all of our rights and now none of them remain intact enough to afford us the protection that was all we had to defend ourselves with. A million names on the no-fly list, "free speech zones", gag orders, kidnapping and torture, and trashing the Geneva Conventions are barely the beginning.
Property rights, health rights, parenting rights are all in some stage of being totally usurped by the government. Rights to privacy, to be safe and secure in our own homes and with our own property, these are mere memories. Reasonable expectations of common sense business and industrial regulations to protect us from all manner of corporate greed, predation, malfeasance and unconscionable usury, these literally no longer exist. No more legal protection from intrusive, warrantless wiretaps and unregulated collection of all of our most intimate, personal data, permanently stored and on sale cheap. In all good sense, in every legal sense and in common decency these things should never have happened.
Warrantless searches, seizures and destruction of our personal property by brutal thugs called police; the infiltration and tracking of our private lives, personal associations and activities; being squeezed to the marrow for tax dollars that are shamelessly wasted on the extravagances of the wealthy and well protected; a CIA owned and manipulated press with a multimillion dollar budget used to lie to us; the overturn of posse comitatus; these have all been made reality with subterfuge or with devious tactical legislation specifically devised to negate our rights. This short list doesn't even begin to cover the long list of abuses that this government is now legally entitled to perpetrate against us. If you think the next president is going to turn any of that around, don't hold your breath. You'll be long dead and none of this will have changed, at least not for the better.
Protecting and defending our rights, our freedom, the constitution, or ensuring there is a bona fide democratic process was not a part of this government's game plan. On the contrary. They set out to destroy all of these things for us, while retaining frighteningly exalted versions of them only for themselves. Our lives, our values and our laws mean nothing to these people. So, today, in accordance with their extremist belief system, Americans will only get as much freedom and justice as they can afford to buy, and trust me, you and I can't afford them.
The same goes for our health and food and all basic human necessities. Henceforth, it is official that if you can't afford these things because of the despicable fiscal policies of this government then you'll just have to die, apparently. You'll also have to bear the insult of being blamed for being victimized by zealous ideologues and their system of rampant corruption and raging anti-American values.
Are there still any Christians out there who believe these people are following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ? Good God, I hope not. They are the obscene and defiant antithesis of Christ.
Did you hear what the president's press secretary had to tell us about our crisis of unemployment? Bush will veto legislation that would extend the number of weeks of unemployment benefits for American workers who cannot find work. The unavailability of work due to tens of millions of jobs being sent off to other countries does not warrant any extension of unemployment benefits for working people. After handing the breath taking instant, no-strings attached free gift of $850 Billion dollars to billionaire bankers to bail them out of their gambling debts at our expense, our need for food to eat and a roof over our heads does not warrant the puny amount of dollars required to save our very lives.
Hundreds of billions of dollars, no, trillions of dollars have flowed like cheap wine through the office of this president as though there was no end to it, as though it was free for the taking in limitless amounts. With borrowed billions he has greased the greedy palms of favored cronies, war profiteers, loyalist campaign contributors, billionaire bankers and fellow multimillionaire capitalists, and he's even paying off the selfsame terrorist insurgents that he initially sent us overseas to kill. Now they're on the payroll too. It seems everyone is being lavishly rewarded with our money, except us.
In all history never have the rich been so rich. Glutting themselves on the people's money, their wealth has expanded so profoundly that it's literally obscene. And yet our national infrastructure is crumbling away. Bankrupt cities and counties are in dire need of major updates and maintenance of public roads, buildings and public utilities. Bridges and highway overpasses are collapsing, levies are breaking, hurricanes and floods are demolishing cities, fires rage across thousands of acres, drought scorches vast areas of numerous states, and people are dying from all of these things; a million families are losing their homes, losing their dreams, losing their prosperity and hope.
Did the people who suffered the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina's burst levies receive any of that luxurious and speedy multibillion dollar generosity? No, afraid not. Still not. Sorry. That sort of thing just doesn't appeal to the interests of the wealthiest people in the world.
The small percentage of citizens that own outright the vast majority of all our nation's wealth don't care about anyone but themselves. They exist to gratify their own greed and they do it by raping this nation and its citizens. They're not about to feel bad about it. They're much too morally bankrupt and proud of it to give a damn how much harm they cause, or how much suffering they leave in their wake. They prefer to focus on their own luxuries and comforts, to enjoy their prestige and overwhelming advantages. They fully expect us to be fine with that, and even to support it. They've shown us this repeatedly and without exception with their own actions and have told us so in their own words over and again.
There is nothing there to be proud of.
Nothing so shameful as this should ever have reached into imagination much less have been achieved. What manner of despicable beings are these? How can these people bear to be inside their own skins? They are revolting in the truest sense of the word. They are utter and abject failures as human beings.
There is nothing to feel but shame from predating other people or from bludgeoning other people into submission or to death. There is no conceivable reason to feel pride after lying, deceiving, stealing and in every other way cheating to gain the desired ends. Cheating is not winning, it is stealing and it is lying, it's something to be ashamed of. Winning is something that can only be done fairly, ethically and morally and none of these people are burdened by any obligations to moral considerations. They truly are, at least in my deeply sincere opinion, amongst the literal scum of the earth. Few could aspire to become any lower life form than these people. They thoroughly disgust me.
I am ashamed of what this country has been turned into. I am ashamed of the immorality and disdain for ethics those in authority have so widely sown and made normal. I am ashamed of the arrogance and the shocking cruelty of our leadership and their sickening inability to tell the truth or take responsibility, or to show respect to anyone outside of their own private clan. This is a rapacious clique of billionaire thieves flying death flags of the Free Market instead of championing a free world. These are delusional ideologues desperate to justify their unjustifiable behavior by repeating romanticized odes to dead capitalist theorists and with dialogues of phony religiosity used as cover for their raging greed, racism, sexism, and classism. They are bullies and cowards always leaving the hard work to others, always taking the cream for themselves and leaving the clean up behind for their victims to cope with. These are not decent people.
I can't count how many times my stomach has been turned listening to the arrogant insincerity of these men and women who say they are there to serve us but who only serve themselves. We have been besieged by tragedy and destruction from within and without; and we should never have to endure vicious attacks from within. True to form, in the wake of every disaster they've stepped up and served themselves, helped themselves to more of what they want, grabbing ever more for themselves at our expense, leaving us to flounder and beg and fend for ourselves. After robbing us of our wealth it is not possible for us to fend for ourselves, you bastards.
They've spun countless lies to cover their criminal acts and more lies designed to inspire fear and weakness, tearing us apart. They've created enemies and threats we never had before they arrived. They've used their monopoly of media and their wealth to fabricate the illusion that everyone agrees with them and supports them when nothing could be further from the truth. They do not even have the courage to show us who they really are or to let us see the condition this country is really in, burying international reports, gagging scientists and medical experts and demanding censorship and even outright fraud. They have truly earned the deep contempt that is felt for them all over the world.
Shame on them for their icy hearts of stone. Shame on them for their ravenous greed, their incivility, and their dishonesty. Shame on them for their world record breaking selfishness. Mountains of shame on them.
These people are the walking embodiments of shame. They are the living, breathing personification of all the worst qualities that men can possess. They have no honor, no compassion and no desire for either. They have abused the trust of tens of millions of people who would do anything asked of them because they believe in the rightness and honor of their leadership.
It is profoundly unwise to follow unproven strangers just because they are in positions of authority, and though many who did so have since come to bitterly regret it, they have still not learned the lesson and they will simply do it again. Next month.
To anyone sputtering on themselves because they're enraged at my failure to properly notice our wonderful American freedoms, or because they still, for some incomprehensible reason, believe and support the bush crime family, you are pounding your fists in defense of the very predators who have ripped you off which you can't see or admit to because of your brainwashing; a gift to you courtesy of those same conniving liars. But spare me your protestations for this simple reason: the powers that be have no moral ground to stand on. None. I can't think of even one single thing they've done to make this nation stronger, healthier or more prosperous. It is not more free, it is less free. It is not more just, it is less just. It is not more prosperous it is rife with unemployment and an economy teetering on the brink of total collapse. They've cleaned us out and left us bankrupt. There's not a single thing in their well documented history that this country can feel proud of. All that's been done has been done in deceit and disdain not only for us but for people all over the world. They have absolutely nothing to their credit.
Legitimate leaders take responsibility, they do not claim to have rights of control over the lives of others. Genuine leaders do not demand compliance to their arbitrary personal beliefs and selfish goals. Legitimate leaders empower and strengthen those they lead, they do not predate them or cheat them or deprive them of justice, nor do they force a nation to its knees in poverty and worry about the future. They do not bankrupt the nation and pocket the cash. They do not create enemies everywhere they go due to their stubborn, small minded ignorance, arrogance and hypocrisy. They do not call for wars based on lies and deceit in order to serve the goals of another country at the expense of our own goals, prosperity and progress. They do not militarize the police force and teach it to hate and violate the public at will without fear of accountability. They're leaving no legacy beyond their profound criminal greed and dishonesty. So what are you defending? Your right to be violated?
True leaders don't take, they give. These people have done nothing but take. All they've given us is a bottomless nightmare to contend with and right on cue, they will all be long gone, safe and snug and comfortable when the worst comes to kick the rest of us down and cause us more suffering than most of us can handle. This will not end with the bush administration, this is the new normal.
I'm sorry, but no matter who is elected, if they even are fairly elected, there will be very little difference between tomorrow and today. None of the critical problems and core issues that have taken us so far from where we were and who we are, have ever been mentioned. If they're not even mentioned, then there is no possibility that anything can change.
We are on our own.
If freedom actually means anything to anyone, it's time to ponder that fact well and decide where you stand on it. Then realize the 2008 presidential elections will not bring us out of this terrible tide, but with all intent and capability will push us further into it.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:37 ammisshusseinmolly Says: Don’t laugh — people really believe this stuff.
Unfortunately - I live in Georgia has have worked in the public education system where people with advanced degrees actually call Evolution "just a theory" or a "belief".
I've also heard that dinosaurs have never existed and that Scientists created all those fossils themselves as a hoax like Big Foot (except that they think Big Foot is real).
I just would like to see what Caribou Barbie's response would be, since she has acknowledged that dinosuars existed, and that oil is a fossil fuel. :)
October 29th, 2008 at 10:40 amspencers mom Says: I believe that being able to pronounce the word “nuclear” should be a prerequisite for running for any office.
That would be a nice start... :)
October 29th, 2008 at 10:42 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
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Those who will admit a connection between dinosaurs and oil will claim the process came about through God’s magic wand.
Those who deny global warming fall into two groups, those who stand to profit (economically or politically) from the use of fossil fuels, and those who believe that fossil fuels were created by God's magic, and therefore, they cannot be harmful.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:44 amKay Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Srsly, it's not cool to copy entire articles and post them anywhere. Maybe choose a couple pertinent paragraphs, and link to the rest. They'll appreciate the views.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:44 amKerry was "for it before he was against it." McLame goes one step further, he's "for it and against it at the same time."
October 29th, 2008 at 10:44 amnext time I'll just give the link :)
October 29th, 2008 at 10:48 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
That’s an easy one. The “6,000 years” crowd believes that God put the oil in the earth exactly where it lies today, and the dinosaurs have nothing to do with it. Those who will admit a connection between dinosaurs and oil will claim the process came about through God’s magic wand.
Don’t laugh — people really believe this stuff.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:33 am
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Well, to be fair, dinosaurs likely have had a negligible contribution to modern-day oil supplies - the bulk of the organic material in our oil came from plankton and marine plants. And though scientists don't know exactly how long the process of hydrocarbon pyrolysis takes, it is believed to be in the hundreds-of-thousands-of years range, not necessarily the millions-of-years range. It may seem a purely academic distinction, but it's the difference between oil forming in the time that our ancestors started coming down from the trees in the Rift Valley, or oil forming in the Jurassic period.
Of course, the young-Earth whackos like to seize on this gap in current scientific knowledge as proof that the oil was just put there by Yahweh.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:50 amIgnorance is rampant. You pay into social security if you work. It does not come from taxes.
It's like them saying unemployment insurance is payed by taxpayers. If you don't work and contribute to the system then you can't draw on it.....simple.
Same with social security. Why are people who never worked or payed a penny into the social security sytem concerned. It has nothing to do with them.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:51 amI call bullshit on your 3000 word diatribe. Just wait and see. You will be astonished by the positive changes coming our way soon.
October 29th, 2008 at 10:55 amMcBain's "straight talk" is as crooked as a dog's hind leg!
October 29th, 2008 at 10:59 amDoesn't he know that Sarah Palin warned America this week that Obama believes government should take care of people and that's bad, evil, and socialistic?
She seems to be running in two or three campaigns at the same time: this one, the 2012 GOP primary and the 2012 general election. What a gal! And they said she was incapable of multi-tasking. . .
October 29th, 2008 at 11:05 amThat's what I thought America was still about : different points of views converging.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:05 amHmmm doesn't McCain's social security benefits also come from young and middle aged workers wages?
October 29th, 2008 at 11:07 amIs McIIIrd throwing HIMSELF under the wreckage of the Straight Talk MilkRunBus?
October 29th, 2008 at 11:10 am"So the point is, yes, a society and government takes care of citizens who need our help. That’s what America is all about."
Um, exactly how do you take care of citizens who need our help if you don't, ...take money from one group of Americans and give it to another.”
October 29th, 2008 at 11:15 amJebus. I don't think Grampaw McFlippy even remembers what he says from one day to the next...
October 29th, 2008 at 11:15 amPerhaps a good place to start in fixing Social Security would be to stop raiding the fund over and over again to pay for military projects.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:19 amAnd this is why he's losing. He talks out of both sides of his mouth. The McCain Campaign needs to pick a position and stick with it if they have any hope left of pulling this thing off.
I have a feeling that McCain's base a very easily confused.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:22 amSenator McCain's view of a safety net for those who can't take care of themselves applies to everyone but him. Would he ever explain why he continues to accept our tax dollars which he doesn't need?
October 29th, 2008 at 11:22 am
McCain's done. Somebody stick a fork in him already.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:24 amIt is very interesting that media never checked to see if Joe the Plumber does have any money to buy a plumbing business.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:41 amIf Joe could not pay a fine which was little over one thousand dollars, then how could he pay for a business that gives him a profit of $250,000.00.
Isn't interesting that the profit that Joe the plumber was seeking from his investment is exactly the same amount that Obama put to start taxing people.
To buy a business that makes 1/4 of a million profit, the business would have to cost Joe at least two million dollars to buy.
Enough of this Joe fairy tale of buying plumbing business.
i love how he says, "from one group of americans to another."
it doesn't really work like that: it's taking money from ALL americans and giving it back to AMERICA.
October 29th, 2008 at 11:45 amOn 05-Nov-2008, Big Liar John mccain needs to get checked out for dementia - the man is, and has been spouting gibberish for sometime.
October 29th, 2008 at 12:00 pmThese SOBs never have a problem spreading our wealth in Iraq, do they?
October 29th, 2008 at 12:05 pmJoe the Plumber on Social Security:
"Social Security is a joke. I have parents. I don't need another set of parents called the government...Social Security, I never believed in, don't like it."
For more, see:
October 29th, 2008 at 12:21 pm"McCain and His Plumber Hate Social Security."
AngryOne Says:
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Joe the Plumber on Social Security:
“Social Security is a joke. I have parents.
Do Joe's parents know he is counting on them to support him when he retires?
October 29th, 2008 at 12:25 pmMcCain makes sure his Social Security check gets direct deposited in his account as well as his Mother's check. Yes Cindy pays for the man she brought but McCain can at lease have his Senator pay check and Social Security check in case Cindy kicks him out.
October 29th, 2008 at 12:39 pmYou want to know what a disgrace is? Bailing out Wall Street.
October 29th, 2008 at 12:50 pmIt's kind of sad to see what unchecked, self-serving pseudo-conservative demagoguery can do to a person.
Poor old john mccain can't open his mouth without contradicting himself anymore.
October 29th, 2008 at 1:10 pmSomething is very wrong with McCain,maybe he has taken a little too much Geritol.
October 29th, 2008 at 1:11 pmYou neglected to point out that McCain pulls down about $2,000 per month from Social Security, about double the national average. He also has a Navy pension and one from the Senate awaiting him, making him a loomin triple dipper. Of course, I now could neglect to mention his allowance from the beer heiress.
October 29th, 2008 at 1:25 pmMcCain receiving Social Security and 100% Disability Benefits ($58,000.00)has always confused me. How can someone who is working full time collect on either? I thought there were earnings limitations for collecting SS. And how can someone be 100% diabled and still work? I did read somewhere that he gives the $58,000.00 to first wife Carol. Maybe that is why she hasn't outed him.
October 29th, 2008 at 1:30 pmBartolo Says:
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Of course, I now could neglect to mention his allowance from the beer heiress.
You can't count that. That's just his gambling money.
October 29th, 2008 at 1:39 pmSafety Nets are an American virtue:
Safety Nets for Lehman Brothers
October 29th, 2008 at 1:54 pmSafety Nets for Meryll Lynch
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Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer’s medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union.
If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers’ Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans.
The house didn’t have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: “We don’t need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.”
October 29th, 2008 at 2:08 pmPersonally, I find McCain's "[Federal] obligation to take care of citizens" more a condemnation of his opposition to National Health Care than Social Security.
McCain's misguided belief that "privatization" would "save" Social Security", and saying it is "broken and needs to be fixed" is less damning because he is still expressing support for the system.
It is FAR more hypocritical in comparison to his position on Health Care than Social Security.
October 29th, 2008 at 2:16 pmAdorable.
October 29th, 2008 at 3:24 pmlzcrmc Says:
“So the point is, yes, a society and government takes care of citizens who need our help. That’s what America is all about.”
Um, exactly how do you take care of citizens who need our help if you don’t, …take money from one group of Americans and give it to another.”
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Is the electric company TAKING money from you when you pay your electric bill? Taxes are the price we pay for a society. If you dont like it go live on an island somewhere and eat coconuts. Isnt it taking money from citizens by your definition and giving it to others when we use our tax dollars for corporate wellfare? When our public cost is used to help make private profit? Why does the rightwing only throw their hissy fits when public money is used to help the needy and yet they applaud when it is used to further inrich the wealthy?
October 29th, 2008 at 4:13 pmJoe the Plumber is a schmuck.
October 29th, 2008 at 5:55 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
But he did call Social Security a disgrace. The concept of present-day retiress being paid with the taxes of young workers is the very definition of Social Security. When he calls the “current system” a disgrace, he’s referring to the fact that the system hasn’t been privatized into a 401(k).
It’s kinda like saying “I like cats, except for their whiskers and claws and tails and cat ears and all those other cat parts.”
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EXACTLY. Clearly what McIgotmine thinks is a disgrace is the very CONCEPT that we are all in this together and we ought to care about and for one another. That IS calling SS a disgrace. I dont pay into SS I pay into a parallel program where I pay quite a bit more and GET quite a bit more but its done in EXACTLY the same way.
October 29th, 2008 at 7:16 pm