Comments on: Shays: McCain ‘has lost his brand as a maverick.’ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:25:58 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5313288 EugeneDebs Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:09:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5313288 JT Says: WOW. That was among the most purely delusional posts I have ever read and the rightwing has a LOCKDOWN on delusion. There have been plenty of smears alright smears of OBAMA. He wasnt born in Hawaii, he is a Muslim, he palls around with terrorists, and so on DEEP into the mud. Smears of McNobody? Not so much. As for Palin she is just an idiot that people are calling on being an idiot. It isnt a smear to notice the Emperor has no clothes as much as it would HELP your delusional cause if it was. I suggest you try letting reality into your world, that would be Planet Wignut. Better start with just a bit, dont want to put you into a coma with such a shock to your system. Then try a bit more and eventually you might be able to visit us on Planet Earth. We have a nice climate and many good Thai restaurants. JT Says:

WOW. That was among the most purely delusional posts I have ever read and the rightwing has a LOCKDOWN on delusion. There have been plenty of smears alright smears of OBAMA. He wasnt born in Hawaii, he is a Muslim, he palls around with terrorists, and so on DEEP into the mud. Smears of McNobody? Not so much. As for Palin she is just an idiot that people are calling on being an idiot. It isnt a smear to notice the Emperor has no clothes as much as it would HELP your delusional cause if it was. I suggest you try letting reality into your world, that would be Planet Wignut. Better start with just a bit, dont want to put you into a coma with such a shock to your system. Then try a bit more and eventually you might be able to visit us on Planet Earth. We have a nice climate and many good Thai restaurants.

]]> By: Constant Weader http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5313086 Constant Weader Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:09:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5313086 Shays' sudden Come-to-Obama moment is no doubt a function of the stiff competition for his seat in relatively liberal Western Connecticut. I don't think he'd be shocked, shocked at the usual tone of the Republican campaign if he weren't in a neck-and-neck race. As for McCain & his sleazy campaign, I'm with those who think he was always sleazy -- complaining about the racist Rovian tactics against him while waving the Confederate flag is about as two-faced as you can get. As for his post-2000-election apology, that's a tactic he has used many times. Do something despicable to get elected, then after the election, say you're sorry so everyone sees how "honorable" and "human" you are. I think for McCain the statute of limitations has run out on that well-worn stunt. Are we all going to say, "Oh, that's okay, John," after the election when he says he's awfully sorry he called Obama an unpatriotic terrorist socialist anti-American anti-Israel Hamas-backed elitist airhead? I'm not. I'll put Chris Shays' little moment of clarity up on RealityChex.com, but more for comic value than for anything else. If you want to see a stunning actual moment of truth, take a look at the "Must-Watch" on RealityChex.com (center column near the top) at http://www.realitychex.com -- it's quite remarkable. Shays’ sudden Come-to-Obama moment is no doubt a function of the stiff competition for his seat in relatively liberal Western Connecticut. I don’t think he’d be shocked, shocked at the usual tone of the Republican campaign if he weren’t in a neck-and-neck race.

As for McCain & his sleazy campaign, I’m with those who think he was always sleazy — complaining about the racist Rovian tactics against him while waving the Confederate flag is about as two-faced as you can get.

As for his post-2000-election apology, that’s a tactic he has used many times. Do something despicable to get elected, then after the election, say you’re sorry so everyone sees how “honorable” and “human” you are. I think for McCain the statute of limitations has run out on that well-worn stunt. Are we all going to say, “Oh, that’s okay, John,” after the election when he says he’s awfully sorry he called Obama an unpatriotic terrorist socialist anti-American anti-Israel Hamas-backed elitist airhead? I’m not.

I’ll put Chris Shays’ little moment of clarity up on RealityChex.com, but more for comic value than for anything else. If you want to see a stunning actual moment of truth, take a look at the “Must-Watch” on RealityChex.com (center column near the top) at http://www.realitychex.com — it’s quite remarkable.

]]> By: stateofthedivision http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312854 stateofthedivision Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:01:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312854 Now I'm confused. Who will show up at that D.C. area house to resurrect the Republican brand after the election? Now I’m confused. Who will show up at that D.C. area house to resurrect the Republican brand after the election?

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312840 Fred Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:55:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312840 <blockquote>JT Says: McCain has run a very good campaign considering the smears and other attacks put up against him and his running mate Palin.</blockquote> JT had to run for obvious reasons.....he stuck his foot in it. Please, jt if you're still out there, compare the things the mccain campaign has said about Obama such as calling him a terrorist or unAmerican compares to what has been said about mccain. I believe the case has been well made that mccain is not in this to help the average American.....his constiuants are wealthy business people, not joe the plumber. Joe's just a dummy who wants to be right.....to bad, he picked the wrong side. Keep listening to your bosses Joe, they know what's good for you.

JT Says:
McCain has run a very good campaign considering the smears and other attacks put up against him and his running mate Palin.

JT had to run for obvious reasons…..he stuck his foot in it.

Please, jt if you’re still out there, compare the things the mccain campaign has said about Obama such as calling him a terrorist or unAmerican compares to what has been said about mccain.

I believe the case has been well made that mccain is not in this to help the average American…..his constiuants are wealthy business people, not joe the plumber.

Joe’s just a dummy who wants to be right…..to bad, he picked the wrong side. Keep listening to your bosses Joe, they know what’s good for you.

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312790 Wayne Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:41:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312790 <em>JT Says: Shoeless, don’t put up a straw man that’s easy for you to knock down.</em> Shoeless, you should listen to JT, since he has lots of experience in putting up straw-man arguments that are easily knocked down. /snicker JT Says:

Shoeless, don’t put up a straw man that’s easy for you to knock down.

Shoeless, you should listen to JT, since he has lots of experience in putting up straw-man arguments that are easily knocked down.

/snicker

]]> By: DwH http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312784 DwH Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:39:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312784 Adlai Stevenson also said: <em>There are worse things than losing an election; the worst thing is to lose one's convictions and not tell the people the truth.</em> Adlai Stevenson also said:

There are worse things than losing an election; the worst thing is to lose one’s convictions and not tell the people the truth.

]]> By: Gregor Samsa http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312770 Gregor Samsa Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:36:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312770 Wait, did JT just equate scrutiny with smears and attacks? Someone please remind me, which candidate was accused of being a closeted Muslim, a Marxist, and a socialist, then had those accusations echoed by TV & radio stations? Wait, did JT just equate scrutiny with smears and attacks?

Someone please remind me, which candidate was accused of being a closeted Muslim, a Marxist, and a socialist, then had those accusations echoed by TV & radio stations?

]]> By: motorfingaz http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312762 motorfingaz Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:32:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312762 <strong>That so called "brand" never really existed!</strong> That so called “brand” never really existed!

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312756 Wayne Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:30:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312756 'Rep. Chris Shays (R-CT) declared that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) “has lost his brand as a maverick” ' "Maverick" like the "Straight Talk Express" have never been anything more than campaign slogans for a shallow, petty, crooked man with a lust for power. ‘Rep. Chris Shays (R-CT) declared that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) “has lost his brand as a maverick” ‘

“Maverick” like the “Straight Talk Express” have never been anything more than campaign slogans for a shallow, petty, crooked man with a lust for power.

]]> By: shoeless http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312758 shoeless Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:30:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312758 It fools JT. It fools JT.

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312746 Wayne Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:26:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312746 JT Says: Time to stop drinking that koolaide, wake up and see reality, Bud. The white is black, up is down, 1984ish view of the world is not fooling anyone except the lowest IQ voters any more. JT Says:

Time to stop drinking that koolaide, wake up and see reality, Bud.

The white is black, up is down, 1984ish view of the world is not fooling anyone except the lowest IQ voters any more.

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312744 Leftside Annie Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:24:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312744 Fred, I'll take you one step further: If Obama were a white man, McCain/Palin would be polling at 19%-22% (the same % as the hard-core wingnuts who still support Bush). Fred, I’ll take you one step further:

If Obama were a white man, McCain/Palin would be polling at 19%-22% (the same % as the hard-core wingnuts who still support Bush).

]]> By: Perry logan http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312732 Perry logan Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:22:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312732 In fairness to John and Sara, it can't be easy fronting for the Party of Treason. In fairness to John and Sara, it can’t be easy fronting for the Party of Treason.

]]> By: A Patriot Acting http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312730 A Patriot Acting Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:21:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312730 Rep. Chris Shays (R-CT) declared that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) “has lost his brand as a maverick” It's impossible to lose that which you never had. "I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." Adlai E. Stevenson Jr. Rep. Chris Shays (R-CT) declared that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) “has lost his brand as a maverick”

It’s impossible to lose that which you never had.

“I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends… that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.”

Adlai E. Stevenson Jr.

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312708 Fred Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:11:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312708 JT, I'm with shoeless. mccain has flipfloped his way through this whole campaign. He has lost ground every time he made a move. He's white and that's the only reason he's still even in this race at all. Even that won't get him a win.....that's how bad his campaign has been. JT, I’m with shoeless. mccain has flipfloped his way through this whole campaign. He has lost ground every time he made a move.

He’s white and that’s the only reason he’s still even in this race at all. Even that won’t get him a win…..that’s how bad his campaign has been.

]]> By: A Patriot Acting http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312706 A Patriot Acting Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:11:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312706 The underhanded, careening out of control campaign that McCain has run is an eyeopener as to how he would run his Administration. A clear lack of focus, a win-at-all-costs attitude, a blustering, pig-headed old man looking for a fight, lying and pandering for approval while riding his predecessor's failed policies over a cliff, taking the rest of the country with him. The one decision that we have seen him make, the selection of Sarah Palin, shows us the knee-jerk mentality with which McCain bases his decisions. This man wants to be Commander in Chief so bad but doesn't give the rest of the job description of President of the United States much thought, quite like the way he approaches deeply serious issues that are hobbling this nation, with no thought for the long term and no real solutions to the problems other than how they will affect his friends in big business and the neocon base. This is not a leader. A "maverick" that doesn't like to follow the rules and relishes in being an @sshole to people he doesn't like is NOT the kind of person we need representing the US to the world. We've had eight years of a petulant, stubborn dictator wannabe and we cannot afford another. On the other hand, Barack Obama has shown intelligence, un-nerving calm and a strong ability to lead throughout his well run campaign. Despite outright lies and racism from the other side he doesn't take everything personal, is decisive in his planning, sees the long term over the short win and has shown a remarkable knack for making the right decisions. There is a very tangible reason why Bush has, despite his "stay-the-course" attitude, come around to reluctantly accept Obama's ideas and even try to make them seem his own (holding talks with Iran, setting a deadline for withdrawal from Iraq, going into Pakistan after Bin Laden). All McCain can seem to muster is a litany of "bomb, bomb Iran", chest thumping at Russia and a pledge to remain needlessly in Iraq until he himself could kick that can down the lonely road to the president to follow him. Obama's plans for the economy have been hailed by many economists while McCain's proposals will drag this Nation even further down the hole that Bush has dug for us. Senator McCain IS NOT A LEADER! The last thing America needs is an aging "maverick" lumbering through the White House looking to flex his military muscles at every turn. THANKS BUT NO THANKS, JOHN. The underhanded, careening out of control campaign that McCain has run is an eyeopener as to how he would run his Administration. A clear lack of focus, a win-at-all-costs attitude, a blustering, pig-headed old man looking for a fight, lying and pandering for approval while riding his predecessor’s failed policies over a cliff, taking the rest of the country with him. The one decision that we have seen him make, the selection of Sarah Palin, shows us the knee-jerk mentality with which McCain bases his decisions. This man wants to be Commander in Chief so bad but doesn’t give the rest of the job description of President of the United States much thought, quite like the way he approaches deeply serious issues that are hobbling this nation, with no thought for the long term and no real solutions to the problems other than how they will affect his friends in big business and the neocon base. This is not a leader. A “maverick” that doesn’t like to follow the rules and relishes in being an @sshole to people he doesn’t like is NOT the kind of person we need representing the US to the world. We’ve had eight years of a petulant, stubborn dictator wannabe and we cannot afford another. On the other hand, Barack Obama has shown intelligence, un-nerving calm and a strong ability to lead throughout his well run campaign. Despite outright lies and racism from the other side he doesn’t take everything personal, is decisive in his planning, sees the long term over the short win and has shown a remarkable knack for making the right decisions. There is a very tangible reason why Bush has, despite his “stay-the-course” attitude, come around to reluctantly accept Obama’s ideas and even try to make them seem his own (holding talks with Iran, setting a deadline for withdrawal from Iraq, going into Pakistan after Bin Laden). All McCain can seem to muster is a litany of “bomb, bomb Iran”, chest thumping at Russia and a pledge to remain needlessly in Iraq until he himself could kick that can down the lonely road to the president to follow him. Obama’s plans for the economy have been hailed by many economists while McCain’s proposals will drag this Nation even further down the hole that Bush has dug for us. Senator McCain IS NOT A LEADER! The last thing America needs is an aging “maverick” lumbering through the White House looking to flex his military muscles at every turn. THANKS BUT NO THANKS, JOHN.

]]> By: octamethyl http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312696 octamethyl Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:08:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312696 "Lost his brand as a maverick" is rather funny to me, because the term "maverick" literally originated from a rancher who refused to "brand" his cattle. “Lost his brand as a maverick” is rather funny to me, because the term “maverick” literally originated from a rancher who refused to “brand” his cattle.

]]> By: Zimzone http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312694 Zimzone Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:07:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312694 Not only has he lost his Maverick image, he's completely lost his <em>MIND</em> Not only has he lost his Maverick image, he’s completely lost his MIND

]]> By: shoeless http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312680 shoeless Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:05:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312680 No wait, that isn't the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Whining that Barack Obama has an unfair advantage because he is a black man is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. No wait, that isn’t the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Whining that Barack Obama has an unfair advantage because he is a black man is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/comment-page-1/#comment-5312682 dbadass Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:04:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/shays-mccain-maverick/#comment-5312682 JT: Strange thing is that many of the rightwing pundits that actually get pay to talk shit have claimed that it hasd been a piss poorly run campaingn and that ias why he is losing. Why should I buy your argument to the contrary? JT:
Strange thing is that many of the rightwing pundits that actually get pay to talk shit have claimed that it hasd been a piss poorly run campaingn and that ias why he is losing. Why should I buy your argument to the contrary?

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