Giuliani Clueless On McCain’s Health Care Plan: ‘He’s Not Going To Give Anybody $5,000′
Giuliani Clueless On McCain’s Health Care Plan: ‘He’s Not Going To Give Anybody $5,000′
Yesterday, in an interview with Sean Hannity, former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani alleged that Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-IL) plan to reduce taxes for the middle class was a ploy to create “a welfare system” in the U.S.
Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) health care plan also redistributes tax dollars, however, through a $5000 tax credit for families to purchase health care in the individual market. Noting Giuliani’s hypocrisy, Alan Colmes asked, “How is that different than John McCain giving $5,000 to everybody for health care? Isn’t that a handout?” Giuliani claimed a tax credit isn’t a “handout”:
GIULIANI: He’s not going to give — he’s not going to give anybody $5,000, that is totally misrepresenting his program, as you say we do. The reality is he’s going to give you a tax credit for $5,000. We get tax credits for all kinds of things. That’s not a handout.
COLMES: Isn’t that a handout?
GIULIANI: It’s a deduction, it’s a deduction from the income that you earned. It’s a tax credit like you get a tax credit for tuition, like you get a tax credit for other things.
Colmes astutely observed, “That is redistribution of wealth.” Watch it:
McCain’s health care plan does indeed involve a $5,000 “handout.” McCain’s tax credits and “Guaranteed Access Plan” (GAP) allow the government to redistribute wealth to those who choose to purchase health coverage or those who cannot afford or find plans in the individual market.
Like McCain’s broader economic proposals, his health care tax credit is unsuitable for the poorest, sickest individuals. Instead, it provides a “one-sized fits all” tax credit, meaning everyone would get the same amount regardless of their previous health or wealth. Warren Buffet would thus get the same tax credit as his secretary.
Earlier this month, McCain himself praised government health care. Referring to his GAP proposal, McCain said that if someone “is not able to qualify for any health insurance policy, we will establish government approved plans to give them the health insurance they need.”
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I've said this before, but you know that times are changing when Colmes is calling anyone out....
October 30th, 2008 at 3:25 pmHe's not clueless - McCain certainly won't give it to anyone, he'll give it to insurance companies while taxing citizens.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:29 pmWhy does anyone even give Rudy air time any more? Even Fixed News? Whats more pathetic is that I read this story about something Rudy said. My bad.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:30 pmOne would think a lawyer of Ghouly's experience would know the difference between a tax credit and a deduction. Unless, he's just making sh!t up as he goes.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:30 pmjulie annie is 100% correct. grampy mclame isn't about to "give" the middle class five thousand bucks. he's going to tax them for it, "give" it as a credit then let you go find insurance for five grand so big business doesn't have to provide it to you. good luck with that.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:31 pmThis goes to the very heart of Republican (mis)understanding of economics.
When you give someone a "tax credit", that means you deprive the government of $5,000 in taxes collected. So, where do they make up the shortfall? They must borrow in, increasing the debt and devaluing the dollar.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:33 pmAll I want is the same health plan JM has.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:34 pm"Giuliani Clueless On McCain’s Health Care Plan: ‘He’s Not Going To Give Anybody $5,000"
Ans obviously Ginger missed the memo on McCain's $5,000 tax credit spin. Giuliani: "It’s a deduction from the income that you earned." Why is this cross-dressing clown getting more airtime? He certainly not helping his BFF McCain.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:40 pmThe crossdresser pwned by the wimp.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:40 pmTrudy, Trudy, Trudy.....
Next time wear the famous red dress and the blonde wig, then the bad Faux Snewz reporters won't beat up on you so much. They usually are too busy drooling over blonde bimbos to beat up on them.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:40 pmIt's almost Halloween and Ghouly is already shoveling $hit into everyone's bag. He's scary wierd
October 30th, 2008 at 3:41 pmThey're now spinning all the McCain contradictions, flip-flops, and misspeaks so furiously that they're making twine. There comes a point where the yarn won't spin any tighter, but that's not stopping them. They are reduced to just making random noise, whether it makes sense or not.
McCain probably could have avoided the pit he now finds himself in if he had not grabbed and derided the "spread the wealth around" thing. It's sort of like his crusade against earmarks. Holes get punched in his narrative, he tries like mad to spin around them, and he winds up looking like a fool.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:41 pmA More Perfect Democracy
McCain needs 409,239 votes in seven states to win the election, whereas John Kerry needed 118,599 votes in Ohio
October 30th, 2008 at 3:43 pmObama doesn't have to bolster the numbers at his rallies by shipping in school children like Blinky did in Ohio.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:49 pmWhen McCain taxes health benefits, and corporations ax their employee insurance plans in response, what will happen to all those people with pre-existing conditions when they try to find a new insurance company to accept them?
October 30th, 2008 at 3:50 pmNot even the most ardent McIIIrd shills know what shilling is being doled out today. Wow. I can't decide whether this is a campaign meltdown, blowup, crash and burn or maybe just a rapid lava flowingoveryourfeets.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:57 pmGIULIANI: He’s not going to (911) give — he’s not going to give anybody (911) $5,000, that is totally misrepresenting his (911) program, as you say we (911) do. The reality is he’s (911) going to give you a tax (911) credit for $5,000. We get tax (911) credits for all kinds of things. That’s (911) not a handout.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:58 pmSo per Rudy the $5000 is only a deduction from taxable income and with that savings ($1000 @ 20%) we are supposed to buy
October 30th, 2008 at 4:03 pminsurance? So McCan't has been misleading us?
Too many words in the headline. "Giuliani Clueless" would have summed it up.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:05 pmHey Rudy, what's the health status these days of the 9/11 rescue workers? Got any idea?
October 30th, 2008 at 4:07 pmWhen are we going to start calling McCain's tax plan what it really is? It's not a credit, it's not a handout. It's a coupon.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:41 pmWhat experience does McCain have with health insurance? He's been on the Gov't/DOD his ENTIRE life - beginning with his birth.
October 30th, 2008 at 5:00 pmWe should all be entitled to the same healthcare as he.
He says 'credit' and 'deduction' as if they're the same thing. That should disqualify him right there.
October 30th, 2008 at 5:12 pmAnd has anybody asked the campaign what would happen when premiums go up by 20% the next year? And 20% the next?
There was a time when Mayor Rudy was reasonably sane. I even voted for him once. Sadly, he is now clueless on just about everything - not just this issue.
October 30th, 2008 at 5:16 pmHow do we really know that Giuliani doesn't have inside information that McCain will rig it so he doesn't give anyone 5K ?
October 30th, 2008 at 5:34 pmRudy must love prostate exams, because you can tell several members of the RNC have their hands up his a$$.
Rudy is a GOP prostitute...he'll come on any neocon talk show for a negotiated sum of money and a gift certificate to the Olive Garden.
October 30th, 2008 at 6:27 pmShouldn't McCain surrogates be HELPING his campaign?
October 30th, 2008 at 6:38 pm