Poll: Nearly a quarter of Texans erroneously believe that Obama is a Muslim.
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Poll: Nearly a quarter of Texans erroneously believe that Obama is a Muslim.
A new poll from the University of Texas and the Texas Politics Project finds that nearly a quarter of Texans erroneously believe that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) is a Muslim:
When asked to identify Obama’s religion, 45 percent of respondents accurately identified him as Protestant, however 23 percent erroneously identified him as Muslim.
Another 28 percent of Texans did not know Obama’s religion, while 0.2 percent of Texans believe that Obama is a Hindu. The poll’s sponsors did not speculate as to why so many Texans are mistaken about Obama’s faith.
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While 32% of Texans did not realize they live in the United States. /snark off
October 30th, 2008 at 9:43 amIt’s Texas – what do you expect? /snark (sorta)
October 30th, 2008 at 9:46 amI speculate that approximately a quarter of Texans polled are willfully ignorant and live lives of quiet desperation, making the same mistakes over and over and wondering why the outcome doesn’t change.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:46 amI’m guessing about 23% of Texans believe the world is flat.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:47 amNever having gone more than 20 miles from their home town, I can understand why.
Life is tough. It’s tougher if you’re a stupid Texan.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:48 am….ummmmm, as someone living in Texas, I’d like to apologize for the 23-percenters.
I’m thinking, though, they may be the same 23% that’s hanging onto George Dubya’s train, despite its derailing years ago.
No Child Left Behind? Unfortunately, we have evidence of Many Children Left Behind; then they become adults and continue their merry, ignorant ways.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:50 amSome people are just dumb as posts.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:52 amThey cannot be educated; they cannot change.
We need to amend the Constitution to allow us to put states on probationary statehood status whenever they get too stupid for their own good. Seriously. Why should we allow these morons to hold so many electoral college votes?
October 30th, 2008 at 9:52 ameverything’s bigger in texas, even stupidity.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:53 amI moved to North Texas 3 years ago. This region is an insular little backwater. Unfortunately people that have always lived here do not realize it, and so they have no incentive to learn anything different or new.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:54 amLikely because they:
a. Read the inserts in their newspaper with the phony DVD on Obama
October 30th, 2008 at 9:56 amb. Believe the viral mass e-mail falsehoods
c. Watch Fox News 99% of the time
d. Believe whatever anyone says who is Repug, Christian, O’Reilly or Limbaugh
100% criticism of yee haw Texass. Cool.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:56 amWhat could anyone add to the first 10 posts pretty much covered it guys
October 30th, 2008 at 9:57 amIt’s just another excuse for people to use so that they don’t have to vote for the scary black guy without having to actually say it out loud and admit their racism.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:58 amAnd 20% out of the 28% who do not know Obama’s religion, think he is a UFO.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:58 amWe’re poking fun at Texas in a good natured way, Patty we all understand there are many sentient residents there.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:59 amI live in your neighboring state to the west, and have had to become an extra-defensive driver as I wheel around with an Obama bumper sticker.
Some of the already aggressive bullet-headed butt-heads in their oversized pickups have become even more ornery.
texas? lol. texas? i hear they are still missing their village idiot.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:01 amWe do have a lot of backwater dummies in this HUGE state, but I would have to guess that a big portion of these people said they thought he was a Muslim just to try to further the falsehood. “If I say he’s a Muslim, more people will think he’s a Muslim.”
Don’t think that the dumb hicks in your state are any different. We just have more of ‘em!
October 30th, 2008 at 10:01 ama little long, but i’ve got to share this… the latest from my ditto-head in-law… it begins with a lament about poor joe the plumber and how the media has exposed his life… but, what do we REALLY know about barack obama? hmmm?
[...]
Thanks to a lazy press corps we still don’t know what grades Obama made in college; how he got into Harvard; when he met Bill ‘the bomber’ Ayers; when he stopped doing illegal drugs; his medical history; whether he still smokes cigarettes; the extent of his affiliation with socialist/communist organizations; why he’s no longer a licensed attorney; whether he lied on his Bar application;—-
Whether he’d qualify for a security clearance if he were just an ‘average Joe;’ what passport he used to travel to Pakistan in 1981; who his ex-girlfriends are; whether he was or still is an Indonesian citizen; why his Kenyan grandmother insists he was born there; whether he was ever legally named Barry Soetoro or anything else besides Barack Hussein Obama—–;
Why he needed the help of a crook to purchase his family home; where he was on Nov. 6 and 7, 1999; what the long-version of his birth certificate says; why he helped an anti-American, pro-Islamic candidate for Kenyan President against US interests; why he listened to Rev. Wright’s sermons for 20 years; how many times he took his kids to a Rev. Wright sermon; what he actually did as chair of the Annenberg Challenge; the depth of his relationship with ACORN.
[...]
so much stoopid…
October 30th, 2008 at 10:02 amoh, btw… this is s.central illinois…
October 30th, 2008 at 10:06 ami don’t think texas is exclusive…
Nevar Says:
. . . we all understand there are many sentient residents there.
. . .
as I wheel around with an Obama bumper sticker.
Nevar — glad you brought up Obama bumper stickers — in the Dallas area, they’re as plentiful as McCain stickers; same goes for yard signs.
While that’s encouraging, we have the reality of our Republican Representative Pete (my rally was in a Las Vegas not-strip-just-tasteful-de-clothing joint) Sessions, who joined in the fray at my early-voting place to tell a young male protester, “You couldn’t hold a job if you had to.”
Texas: It’s a Whole Other Country.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:06 amThis is why I keep saying this guy is the new standard bearer for the GOP:
“He is a law school graduate, but his admission to the Illinois bar was blocked in the 1970s after a psychiatric finding of “moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character.” ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us/politics/13martin.html
This is not just about a few bad apples on the fringe. The GOP base is increasingly becoming a psychiatric phenomenon, played out on a sociological scale, rather than just an ideological movement.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:07 amNo one really thinks Obama is Muslim in any state..the 23 percenters are known Bush/Chaney/McCain/Palin liars and deniers. They think Bush/Chaney are doing a spectacular job and consistently vote against their own interests.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:08 amI’m in Idaho, and I know that 23% of Texans have company. ;)
October 30th, 2008 at 10:08 amTexans are no more ignorant than other Americans. They’re just more proud of it.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:11 amAs a 3rd generation Texan who finally found someone else in my family voting for Obama (my little old great aunt), I can tell you why.
Most Texans view themselves as outlaws, rugged individuals who think they’re above everyone else. This “go-it-alone” attitude was necessary to help bring Texas out of the great depression, which was especially hard on those who lived in the vast, dead open spaces of despair in western portions of the state. This prideful arrogance was bolstered by the independence and power of the early oil boom in Texas and the wealth that was discovered within our state.
Our current, miserably failed leader is the spittin’ image of this ignorant, mis-placed pride.
What worked 75 years ago doesn’t play too well in today’s mass-info seeking society in which a sense of community is so desperately needed.
In short, stupid people will believe what they want to believe, no matter what, and it’s likely that the national average who believe the same BS is just as high.
Stupidity doesn’t recognize state borders… but Texans will always brag, no matter how stupid and wrong they might be.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:12 amDon’t mess with (what we know for sure, but just ain’t true in) Texas.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:17 am.the 23 percenters are known Bush/Chaney/McCain/Palin liars and deniers.
Or better yet, PALINITES.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:17 amThe poll’s sponsors did not speculate as to why so many Texans are mistaken about Obama’s faith.
That’s easy. Because they are s t u p i d and they get all their news from FOX.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:19 amThe poll’s sponsors did not speculate as to why so many Texans are mistaken about Obama’s faith.
Had they asked where they got these erroneous beliefs from, this poll would have served a more practical purpose than simply counting the number of ignoramuses in Texas.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:20 am“0.2 percent of Texans believe that Obama is a Hindu”
come on, now. there hasn’t even been a baseless smear to suggest that one
October 30th, 2008 at 10:21 amI have a friend who is supposedly voting, not for McKooKoo or Obama but states that she will write in. HAH! She isn’t even registered (thank goodness). I am willing to bet that a majority of these people will not be voting because they are to lazy. Obviously they are as they will not bother to look at the facts at all.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:22 amThat is about the % of Texans who misidentified the nation to our immediate south. I am not kidding. This isn’t a shot at Texas. Education across our nation is trashed and the media is a running Jerry Springer show.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:24 amIs it too late to sell Texas (well perhaps even give) it back to Mexico — except for Austin of course.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:26 am“0.2 percent of Texans believe that Obama is a Hindu”
Well, most of the erroneously informed would have never known about any other religion if it wasn’t for 9/11.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:26 amAnd what percentage of those 24% watch only Fox for their news source? I say it is not a coincidence.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:30 amGoes to show you the texas/bush no child left behind law is only good 25% of the time.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:31 amBut what percentage know that he is a black man?
October 30th, 2008 at 10:31 amWow! Amazing! I wonder what percentage of people in other states are low information, bigoted Republican loyalists? I guess all the people we’ve seen on clips the last month of people calling Obama a Muslim must really be from Texas. I did not realize that Texas had a monopoly on dumb asses.
Load up the truck, Granny, let’s move to Oklahoma or Iowa or Georgia or Ohio where there ain’t nobody watching Fox News and believing it!
I guess Joe the Plumber must really be from Texas. Western Pennsylvania is full of transplanted Texans.
Who’d a thunk it?
October 30th, 2008 at 10:32 amKaty- you can lead a dittohead-in-law to water, but you can’t make him drink… You are not alone, I have one of those, too.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:37 amman i am surrounded by morons here in texas…mccain/palin signs all over the neighborhood…lol?…
October 30th, 2008 at 10:37 amWhy cares if B.O. has only been Muslim for 10 or more years of his life. There are thousands of other better reasons not to vote for this potential disaster for America.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:42 amSubstitute the word “deliberately” for “erroneously” in that statement and you’re closer to the truth, TP… jes’ sayin’…
October 30th, 2008 at 10:42 amSeriously, I’m guessing from some of the responses here that many of you believe that the results in your own state would be significantly different. I’m wondering on what basis? In whose state is Obama carrying 77%? Where is a quarter of the population not bamboozled by Republican propaganda?
I’m not denying there’s not a shiteload of dumbass in Texas. Just tell me where this poll wouldn’t produce the same result.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:44 amThis kind of lunacy shouldn’t surprise anyone…ESPECIALLY coming from texas…
There is a blog post in the Houston Chronicle TODAY titled “Why You Should Vote For John McCain”, which is a serious attempt by a local to convince folks that we should just vote for this lunatic and “McCain understands that this is not a play where we write our parts. This is the real world, in need of a real leader whose past we don’t question, but honor.”
Here’s the link if you’re interested..(OR not.)
http://blogs.chron.com/texassparkle/2008/10/why_you_should_vote_for_john_m.html
Wonder why GENERATIONS of people in the south can never get out of their pick-ups !! Yikes…
October 30th, 2008 at 10:45 amNorthwest Florida is the same way! Texas would have a good hard fight on their hands with Northwest Florida in claiming the honor of being the most sycophantic Christian jugheads and Bush toadies!
October 30th, 2008 at 10:46 amAbout 30 percent of the US population uses the Fixed News Channel for their primary source of information. And about 23 million people a day listen to Rush Limbaugh and spew his vile misinformation. I wonder if those two facts could be related to 23 percent of Texans being so far off the mark, or are 23 percent of Texans just inherently ignorant?
October 30th, 2008 at 10:46 ambtw – i forwarded the stupid to:
watchdog@barackobama.com
as advised by http://fightthesmears.com/
October 30th, 2008 at 10:46 amand yet they still have the right to vote.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:47 amMorning Bam Bam:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:50 amMight you list let’s say maybe just a hundred? Okay what about two dozen? Can you handle that? Thanks-
BB brain: “There are thousands of other better reasons not to vote for this potential disaster for America.”
Perhaps… yet I can’t think of one good reason to vote for McCain… just sayin’…
October 30th, 2008 at 10:53 amA vote for Obama: potential disaster
October 30th, 2008 at 10:55 amA vote for McCain: certain disaster
They raise some big, giant morons down there, don’t they?
October 30th, 2008 at 10:58 amdbadass Says:
None of B.O.’s past backs up his claim of change. His rise to power is indicative of business as usual politics. Look at how he forced Alice Palmer off of the ballot in Illinois.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:15 amShe’s the former state senator who picked Obama to be her successor back in the mid-90s. The Rev. Wright flat out lie. The Bill Ayers lie. The Rezko deal with the purchase of his mansion and the small plot of land adjacent to his property. The video of him toasting Rashid Khalidi. His ideological background with Marxism and Socialism. The fact that his idea of fairness is raising taxes and introducing socialized medicine. And numerous of other reasons but it’s a start.
If only we could get Texas to split its electoral votes. Here in Dallas, based on yard signs, bumper stickers, and comments on the Dallas Morning News’ site, I’d say Obama is running at better than 50%. And the Houston Chronicle endorsed him. As in most states, it’s the rural areas that are the problem — and we seem to have more of them than anybody else (look at a map!).
October 30th, 2008 at 11:17 amI suspect that there are a number of people in Texas (and everywhere) who assign ethnicity and religion based upon a person’s name, whether true or not. If you have a “Muslim-sounding” name, you are Muslim. If you have a “Jewish-sounding” name, you are Jewish. If you have a “Spanish-sounding” name, you are Hispanic. Whether you actually are or not. Your name brands you — in the minds of these people.
I’m not sure this kind of ignorance can be cured.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:18 amThe really sad part of this is that it even matters. One’s spiritual beliefs (or lack thereof) should be private; not something one “wears on one’s sleeve”.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:18 amThere you have it: proof that 25% of Texans are just plain stupid.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:22 amJust to be fair, in the poll it actually says 20%, not 23%. I know, I know, what’s 3%?
Still…it’s the fact-checker in me. :-)
October 30th, 2008 at 11:23 amKlem Kiddilehopper Says
October 30th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Northwest Florida is the same way! Texas would have a good hard fight on their hands with Northwest Florida in claiming the honor of being the most sycophantic Christian jugheads and Bush toadies!
____________________________________________________________
Having spent some time stationed at NAS Pensacola, I’m inclined to agree with you. Normally, people in the military tend to lean a bit to the right politically, but my fellow shipmates looked like flaming liberals compared to the folks outside the base.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:23 amWhat did you expect from the state who gave us George f’en Bush!!!!
The only good thing about TEXAS…There is enough land for the rest of America to take a big healthy shit on there state. This is what happens when you cut education out of the system….dumb voters equals Repubican rule which equals getting fu**&ed. NOT NOW , NOT THIS TIME AND AFTER OBAMA NEVER AGAIN WITH A REPUG!!!
October 30th, 2008 at 11:25 amA Texan named Ron White put it best. “You can’t fix stupid. Stupid is Forever.” I only wish people weren’t so very anxious to prove him right.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:26 amImpeach, while There’s Still Time!
they figure if they convince themselves of it, it’ll be true…facts be damned…
who cares about the truth?
October 30th, 2008 at 11:35 ammk3872 Says:
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Likely because they:
a. Read the inserts in their newspaper with the phony DVD on Obama
b. Believe the viral mass e-mail falsehoods
c. Watch Fox News 99% of the time
d. Believe whatever anyone says who is Repug, Christian, O’Reilly or Limbaugh
My retort:
a. You mean they know how to use a DVD player? At least, most DVD players don’t have a digital clock like VCRs did.
b. They know how to use e-mail?
c. Nolo contendere
d. Ditto
Let’s give Texass back to the Mexicans!
October 30th, 2008 at 11:43 am“The poll’s sponsors did not speculate as to why so many Texans are mistaken about Obama’s faith.”
I’ll take a shot at that question. How about this: they’re morons.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:49 amAngry Mcamous: “I’m not denying there’s not a shiteload of dumbass in Texas. Just tell me where this poll wouldn’t produce the same result.”
California, New York, Mass., Washington, New Jersey, Maryland, New Hampshire, etc… you know, where there are more educated people who don’t have their heads up their asses.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:53 amProbably the most pathetic thing on these discussions is when a low-grade moron like “Barn barn” posts one absurd hand-grenade of a silly post and then runs for his life. Look, a-hole, if you’ve got “thousands of reasons” not to vote for Obama, you might try mentioning one or two of them before you crawl back in your hole and continue crying big wet tears over what’s going to happen next Tuesday.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:55 am.
Somebody’s been repeating big lies…
.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:00 pmI’ll bet at least that 23%, and maybe more, also think the earth is 4000-6000 years old.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:01 pmdbadass Says:
“Morning Bam Bam:
Might you list let’s say maybe just a hundred? Okay what about two dozen? Can you handle that? Thanks-”
Bum Bum’s top 5 reasons:
1. He’s black
October 30th, 2008 at 12:06 pm2. He’s smart
3. The NRA says so
4. He’s a communist
5. He’s a turrist
Bush = Texan
October 30th, 2008 at 12:11 pmBush = ignorant dope
Texan = well, you do the math
I’m an avid reader and Obama supporter and resident of Austin (which is unlike the rest of Texas entirely), but this is flat out a textbook logical fallacy, namely a hasty generalization.
The study dealt with 613 Texans (not nearly a reasonable sample size) and for the headline to say “Nearly a quarter of Texans…” is simply ridiculous. I usually call these sorts of things out all day by Right wing assertions, but it’s important to call it out here as well.
For the record, Austin is like Portland, Oregon, but warmer. I lived in Portland for 7 years and Austin resembles it very much. The only problem with Austin, is that it’s surrounded by Texas…
October 30th, 2008 at 12:12 pmSeriously, I know that poll-literacy tests were abused in the reconstruction south to exclude minorities. I understand how that could be a touchy subject.
But can’t we institute some sort of test for current awareness before one votes ?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:12 pmAround the time of the last presidential election, I had gotten unsolicited emails from my relatives in Texas telling me how liberals are going to hell, how I’m evil for supporting abortion, and how their toddlers all know how to fire guns and that the second amendment is a God-given right. I was just scratching my head because they had no clue what my views are on anything and we were not exactly close. I didn’t care if they voted for Bush, but I was just really disturbed by their unprovoked attacks. So if the rest of the people in Texas are anything like that, they have my support in seceding from the union.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:18 pmBecause they’re stupid!
October 30th, 2008 at 12:30 pmWow! You all support Obama because you are tired of the divisiveness and petty politics of the past 8 years, yet you are slamming on your fellow Americans who live in Texas. Wow! Clearly a case of “do as I say, not as I do.”
October 30th, 2008 at 12:40 pmMapleStreet says:
In which case most TP posters would flunk because they mostly regurgitate Dem talking points and get upset when anybody debates substantive and relevant issues.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:41 pmI don’t really care about Obama’s religion. In this day and age there’s a lot occult symbolism that many people don’t notice. To make it into the White House a political figure must be familiar with occult symbolism, secret societies, masonic monuments, and occult practices. Religion is irrelevant considering it takes quite a bit of occult knowledge and practice to make it in the White House regardless of what political party or religion the leader is affiliated with.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:48 pmI live in Texas and believe the 23%. I was livid a few weeks ago when my Mom told me she thought Obama was Muslim. I asked her where she received the information and she said she could not remember, but that everyone she knew thought he was a Muslim. “Who doesn’t think that?” was the reply. I’ve since sent her many emails to convince her otherwise.
Granted, some of the family members she was speaking about do live in rural areas and do not seek out information. But my parents live in a large city and voted for Kerry in 2004.
I think there is a different cause than just being stupid. Many people in the state of Texas have a huge mistrust of all government and politicians. Conspiracy theories are created around anything and everything. Unfortunately, this seems to be one of them and it seems to go a little deeper than just thinking he is Muslim. (thinking he is cohorts with certain people,etc.)
It’s very sad – I’m glad I live in a city where everyone loves Obama…and knows his background and story.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:48 pmLet’s make a deal, Red America. We’ll stop being so elitist if you’ll stop being so damn STUPID.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:49 pmJT: “yet you are slamming on your fellow Americans who live in Texas.”
Yeah, Texas has been so fricking good for the country. What are we thinking??!!
October 30th, 2008 at 12:50 pmJT: yet you are slamming on your fellow Americans who live in Texas.
Nope. Just the stupid ones who think that Obama is Muslim.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:53 pmJT Says:
In which case most TP posters would flunk because they mostly regurgitate Dem talking points and get upset when anybody debates substantive and relevant issues.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
______
Since when have you trolls ever debated substantive and relevant issues?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:56 pmJT: “Wow! You all support Obama because you are tired of the divisiveness and petty politics of the past 8 years, yet you are slamming on your fellow Americans who live in Texas.”
Wow! Morons like you are trying to say that a 33% top marginal rate is “America First!”, yet you are slamming Obama’s 36% top marginal rate as “socialism.” Evidently that makes sense in Texas.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:58 pmMapleStreet Says:
But can’t we institute some sort of test for current awareness before one votes?
Whether or not such a test would be constitutional or appropriate is certainly debatable, but, which party would benefit more from implementing such a test is pretty obvious in my opinion!
October 30th, 2008 at 1:01 pmJT: “In which case most TP posters would flunk because they mostly regurgitate Dem talking points and get upset when anybody debates substantive and relevant issues.”
Democratic “talking points”: get us out of Iraq, fix the infrastructure, enact universal healthcare, fix the broken military, make sure the wealthy pay their fair share, etc…
Republican “substantive and relevant issues”: Bill Ayers, The Reverand Wright, Obama’s a Muslim, Obama’s a terrorist, Obama’s a terrorist sympathizer, Obama’s a socialist, Obama’s a Marxist, Obama is not a citizen…
You’re right, JT, nobody around here wants to discuss your Republican “substantive and relevant issues” anymore. Boo fricking hoo…
October 30th, 2008 at 1:05 pmTexas…
Ignorant and proud of it!
What can you say about a state that reveres ignorance and loves Bush?
If Bush ran for governor again in Texas (I think he can), he would win in a landslide.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:09 pm49erDem Says:
I never said the things (above). Do you always put words in other persons’ mouths so you can knock a straw man down? You’re pretty good at winning arguments that you yourself created. Shows the lack of intellectual capacity you possess.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:27 pm“Shows the lack of intellectual capacity you possess.”
Says the moron who will suppport republicans even after they have run the country into the ground by simultaneously ruining our ecomomy, our military and our standing in the world. Whatever, dumbass.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:36 pmGive texas back to mexico , it seems to be the land of hate , corruption and political assasination , financed by oil barons whose greatest innovation seems to have been making holes in the ground .
October 30th, 2008 at 1:37 pm( with apologies to Mr. Pickens )
Redistrict it out of the Union , shoot it through the head ,make it blackout or defraud it of it’s retirement!
By the way, JT, if “intellectual capacity” is important to you, why don’t you bring it?! Come on, poindexter! Let’s have an intellectual argument in support of your republican nominees for office. What have Republicans accomplished over the last eight years in the Exec branch and for 16 years in the Legislative branch that makes you proud. How have repubs improved life in the good ole USA?
October 30th, 2008 at 1:40 pmHey McCain-supporter JT: let’s have your “intellectual” discussion. I’ll start:
How is it that republicans call a 36% top marginal rate “socialism” but a 33% top marginal rate “America First?”
At what point between 33 and 36 do you get to socialsm?
Bonus discussion: since Ronald Reagan was in charge and backed the Earned Income Tax Credit which distributes tax money to working poor, would Ronald Reagan be considered by you to be a “socialist?”
October 30th, 2008 at 1:46 pmI guess JT the McCain supporter doesn’t have the stomach for an “intellectual” discussion about “socialism.”
How about war. When your guy says he wants “victory with honor,” what exactly do you think he means? Or, to put it another way, how do you know you have achieved “victory” with an occupation and who exactly have you beaten?
I’m assuming that when you complained about the lact of “intellectual discussion,” you were being honest. Was that a shaky assumption?
October 30th, 2008 at 2:07 pm83. JT – yes you are so right. Obama is a Muslim commie pinko marxist communist african american who grew up anywhere but Kansas and Hawaii.
BTW – you do know that he is black, don’t you ?
October 30th, 2008 at 2:18 pmJT: “In which case most TP posters would flunk because they mostly regurgitate Dem talking points and get upset when anybody debates substantive and relevant issues.”
JT, you are pure, unadulterated bull. I’ve given you all the opportunities anyone would need to engage in a debate on “substantive and relevant issues.” But you don’t really want to debate, do you. You just want to whine and complain about the unfairness of it all. Boohoooboohooooboofickinhoo!
October 30th, 2008 at 2:24 pmMost of the world is misinformed about Obama’s faith. It’s all thanks to the dishonest Republican spin machine and a so-called liberally biased media.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:47 pmupnorth Says:
Most of the world is misinformed about Obama’s faith. It’s all thanks to the dishonest Republican spin machine and a so-called liberally biased media.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Why would most of the world be misinformed about the faith of a candidate who has been campaigning for two years? What would make the knowledge about his faith so ….nebulous: some believe he’s a Christian and some believe he’s a Muslim?
Could it be that BHO is using misinformation or lack of information to his advantage?
For instance, BHO could have squashed any question about the nation of his birth by simply releasing a copy of his birth certificate, but he didn’t.
Why didn’t he?
Why did his campaign lawyers not response within the 30 days period to the suit filed in PA? This suit claimed the BHO was not a “natural born citizens” of the U.S.
Is it to BHO’s advantage to not prove that he’s a U.S. citizen?
October 30th, 2008 at 3:26 pmJT Says
October 30th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Wow! You all support Obama because you are tired of the divisiveness and petty politics of the past 8 years, yet you are slamming on your fellow Americans who live in Texas. Wow! Clearly a case of “do as I say, not as I do.”
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Slamming my fellow Americans who live in Texas? Nonsense. Just the stupid ones. Remember that according to this poll, 45% correctly identified Obama’s religion as Protestant — more than incorrectly identified it as Muslim.
I’m one of the people who believes that religion should not be relevant. But Obama’s religion has received so much scrutiny and exposure that those who don’t know he’s a Christian just haven’t been paying attention.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:33 pmLividLib Says:
dbadass Says:
“Morning Bam Bam:
Might you list let’s say maybe just a hundred? Okay what about two dozen? Can you handle that? Thanks-”
Bum Bum’s top 5 reasons:
1. He’s black
2. He’s smart
3. The NRA says so
4. He’s a communist
5. He’s a turrist
October 30th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
And…
His father was a Muslim from Kenya.
His step-father was a Muslim, and he went to a Muslim school in a Muslim country as a child.
He is quote as saying, from “Audacity of Hope,” page 261:
“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” (bit doesn’t think this is what a Christian would say even if Muslims were the objects of discrimination. )
He has a 100% rating from NARAL, which would seem to bit, to raise the question of whether or not BHO is a Christian or a Muslim. (Conservative Christians see abortion as denying the value of God’s gift of life.)
It is reported that laws, from committees which he chaired, were not passed to protect newborns who had survived abortion attempts, because BHO didn’t support these laws. (Now in truth how many abortionists are going to let a newborn survive?)
So if he’s not Muslim, what is he beside enigmatic?
He’s cunning.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:35 pmAaaah, I just love the smell of Repuke desperation in the air.
It’s getting heavier by the day…
Goodbye worthless trolls, come next Tuesday evening when the returns are coming in, we will NOT be missing you.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:03 pmJaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin Says:
Texas…
Ignorant and proud of it!
Just because someone disagrees with your misguided ideology you immediately degrade them. The sick tactic of the lawyer party.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:33 pmbitblt Says
October 30th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
He has a 100% rating from NARAL, which would seem to bit, to raise the question of whether or not BHO is a Christian or a Muslim. (Conservative Christians see abortion as denying the value of God’s gift of life.)
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THIS is your “Obama must be a Muslim” argument? Just one teeny tiny flaw — Muslims are anti-abortion, too, for the same reason.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:56 pmYo bitblt, what’s your beef with Muslims?
October 30th, 2008 at 4:59 pmBam_Bam Says
October 30th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
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JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin Says:
Texas…
Ignorant and proud of it!
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Just because someone disagrees with your misguided ideology you immediately degrade them. The sick tactic of the lawyer party.
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Did you actually READ JTAG’s post before responding? Or did you just unwrap one of your pre-packaged responses and blast it?
JTAG wasn’t claiming that anyone in Texas was disagreeing with his/her ideology. He/she was commenting on the results of this poll, and how many people still believe Obama is a Muslim, when that has been debunked many, many times.
I see it as an issue of ignorance, not ideology difference. Apparently, JTAG does, too. I think any sensible person would.
October 30th, 2008 at 5:07 pmbitblt Says
October 30th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
For instance, BHO could have squashed any question about the nation of his birth by simply releasing a copy of his birth certificate, but he didn’t.
Why didn’t he?
Why did his campaign lawyers not response within the 30 days period to the suit filed in PA? This suit claimed the BHO was not a “natural born citizens” of the U.S.
Is it to BHO’s advantage to not prove that he’s a U.S. citizen?
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Obama has “released” his birth certificate. He has had stamped, certified copies of it released from Hawaii to various news organizations who wanted to verify authenticity, and he has it posted on his website. So far, nobody who has examined it has claimed it’s a forgery — in fact, everybody has verified its authenticity. Right now, Obama’s birth certificate has become the most scrutinized document in our country since the Zapruder film (meanwhile, we can’t even get McCain and Palin to release their medical records). Yet Obama’s detractors continue to bleat for him to “release” it.
As far as why Obama’s lawyers wouldn’t play ball with the suit in PA — why legitimize something so silly and frivolous? That’s a no-brainer. (apparently the judge in PA thought so, too — the case was dismissed).
If there was any serious evidence to suggest that Obama (or any other presidential or veep candidate) was not eligible to be POTUS, the Feds would have caught up with that by now. So give it a rest, or find something more important to snipe about.
October 30th, 2008 at 5:22 pmI live in Austin. I dealt with a moron who asked me about Obama’s putative Muslim background. I asked him if he knew the cultural source of “Barack,” and he–inevitably–was stunned when I told him it was a Jewish name. Numbnuts.
Positing Islam as an acceptable religion to most Americans is a whole ‘nuter propostion, so I’ll let that one slide for now. Besides, I’m an atheist. Thank god.
October 30th, 2008 at 5:25 pmha, “nuter” almost “nutter” which would be a more complete Freudian slip
October 30th, 2008 at 5:25 pmdbadass Says:
Yo bitblt, what’s your beef with Muslims?
October 30th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
bit doesn’t believe a person of the Muslim faith is qualified to be POTUS, or a congressman for that matter.
This isn’t bit’s beef with BHO. bit believes BHO has been made out to be many things that he’s simply not. Seems to be the politician’s skill to make voters believe what it is the voters want to believe about any one candidate.
Since bit is a single issue voter the NARAL 100% is enough for bit to vote Republican.
October 30th, 2008 at 5:35 pmwhosbarmynow Says:
I live in Austin. I dealt with a moron who asked me about Obama’s putative Muslim background. I asked him if he knew the cultural source of “Barack,” and he–inevitably–was stunned when I told him it was a Jewish name. Numbnuts.
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October 30th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
You’re wrong, but you would get partial credit.
You really want us to think that a Muslim father would name his son with a Jewish name? Perhaps you’re referring to the Biblical reference to a Barach, and perhaps you want us to think BHO was named after a Biblical character?
The key here is that both language – Hebrew and Arabic – are spoken by Semitic peoples( those who descended from Noah’s son Shem), so there is a point of commonality.
Unless you have a BHO story where he says his father gave him a Jewish name, bit will assume it’s a name common to both languages.
October 30th, 2008 at 5:42 pmWhy does bitblt no believe a Muslim is qualified to be president? Does bit believe a Jew can be? Has bit checked out the constitutional requirements for this job? dbadass is often amused by bit but not so much this time as dbadass finds little humor in religious intolerance yet much humor in religion.
October 30th, 2008 at 5:57 pmWhy is it that misshusseinmolly is so elegant in her ability to call out bullshit?
October 30th, 2008 at 5:59 pmenough for bit to vote Republican.
Fine with me, our party denounces ignorance and racism so you’re more than welcome among the Repukes.
Birds of a feather, and all that…
October 30th, 2008 at 6:49 pmTexans prove themselves to be about 25% ignorant.
October 30th, 2008 at 7:55 pmWell, many people in other countries assert he’s a muslim. When he attended school in Indonesia he was a Muslim.
Maybe he is, who really knows for sure?
None of you that’s for sure…
October 30th, 2008 at 8:29 pmmisshusseinmolly,
Uh no. You are completely out in left field on this one. It has in fact been judged to be a forgery; a sloppy one at that.
There are several lawsuits pending that will REQUIRE him to produce the real birth certificate (if he has one). To this day he has refused to produce one.
Apparently, up is down in your world.
BTW, why does his Grandmother stand by her story that he was born in Kenya, hmmmm?
October 30th, 2008 at 8:34 pmWhy has Obama made sure that the Kenyan government sealed all records pertaining to him?
Why has the Kenyan government arrested anyone who travels to their country in search of the truth about Obama, hmmmmmm?
October 30th, 2008 at 8:36 pmRemember the barely covered “gaffe” where Obama said he wanted to visit all “57 states”? He was talking about the United States and people couldn’t believe someone would make such an obvious gaffe.
It wasn’t a gaffe. He was thinking of The Organization of Islamic Conference’s recognition of 57 Member States.
Nah, he’s not a Muslim…
October 30th, 2008 at 10:46 pmTim Vaculik is a turd? maybe he is maybe he isn’t. who knows?
Tim are you a turd?
My guess is yes. Tim Vaculik is a huge turd.
October 31st, 2008 at 12:02 pmBam_Bam Says:
You really are just a lying punk piece of garbage Bambi
October 31st, 2008 at 10:45 pmbitblt Says:
Bit why do you spend so much time parading your impressive ignorance? We already know you are about the stupidest moron in the special class.
Why would most of the world be misinformed about the faith of a candidate who has been campaigning for two years?
Because ignorant, brainwashed wingnuts like YOU keep LYING about it.
Could it be that BHO is using misinformation or lack of information to his advantage?
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You are ignorant he released an official birth document that shows he was born in Hawaii. Only the stupidest people imaginable, people like say YOU, keep repeating this ignorance.
To the rest of your abject stupidity I would just say its too ridiculous to do anything but what he did. Why take morons like you seriously. You arent serious. Just stupid
October 31st, 2008 at 10:54 pmbitblt Says:
Bit has a problem with FACTS, Logic, and REALITY. You are a bigoted moron. God help anyone who has to put up with you for more than three seconds
October 31st, 2008 at 10:57 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Well, many people in other countries assert he’s a muslim. When he attended school in Indonesia he was a Muslim.
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No he wasnt. It was a public school not a religious school once again you show that you NEVER know what you are talking about.
Maybe he is, who really knows for sure?
None of you that’s for sure…
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YOU MORONS are the ones making the claim he is Muslim even AFTER you talked endlessly about him going for 20 years to that “ooooohhh” Radical Christian Church. You people are so stupid you cant keep your talking points straight. If YOU make the claim its up to YOU to back it up. Only an ignoramus makes a cliam then says prove I am wrong.
October 31st, 2008 at 11:01 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Obama has “released” his birth certificate. He has had stamped, certified copies of it released from Hawaii to various news organizations who wanted to verify authenticity, and he has it posted on his website. So far, nobody who has examined it has claimed it’s a forgery — in fact, everybody has verified its authenticity.
Uh no. You are completely out in left field on this one. It has in fact been judged to be a forgery; a sloppy one at that.
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No it hasnt. You are either a liar or the most ignorant and brainwashed moron imaginable.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
Do you enjoy embarassing yourself and showing how brainwashed you are repeating this LONG AGO debunked nonsense as if anyone but the most brainwashed morons took it seriously?
October 31st, 2008 at 11:05 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Remember the barely covered “gaffe” where Obama said he wanted to visit all “57 states”? He was talking about the United States and people couldn’t believe someone would make such an obvious gaffe.
It wasn’t a gaffe. He was thinking of The Organization of Islamic Conference’s recognition of 57 Member States.
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OH MY GOD. Your ignorance is truly AWE inspiring. I cant believe someone as stupid as you hasnt forgotten to breathe and just died. Again a long ago debunked bit of stupidity
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp
Nah, he’s not a Muslim…
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Nah you are just a liar and a MORON
October 31st, 2008 at 11:08 pm