Palin Takes Another Shot At Outlining Role Of VP: ‘They’ve Got To Be Exclusively…Administrative’
Palin Takes Another Shot At Outlining Role Of VP: ‘They’ve Got To Be Exclusively…Administrative’
In a recent interview, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) claimed that the vice president was “in charge of the United States Senate.” She added that she was excited to “make a lot of good policy changes.” As ThinkProgress reported, her claim was contradicted by the Senate Parliamentarian’s office and the U.S. Constitution.
Yesterday in an interview with Fox’s Greta Van Susteren, Palin took another shot at outlining the role of the vice president. This time, Palin completely changed her answer:
Well, they’ve to be exclusively, of course, concentrating on the administrative side of governance. And there again, that’s where my executive experience will be put to good use. But John McCain and I have spoken a lot about the missions that we’ll be on together and about where he would like to see me lead. And energy independence is first and foremost what I will be able to help, in a supportive role, be able to help him get this nation firmly on that path towards energy independence.
Watch it:
Palin still doesn’t seem to be clear on what she’ll be doing if elected to office. MSNBC’s Chris Matthews recently became frustrated with Palin’s lack of knowledge, demanding that she “read a job description.” Based on what Palin hopes to be able to do while in office — strong control over both the legislative and executive branches — it seems like it will be a third term of Vice President Cheney. (HT: News Hounds)
Transcript:
VAN SUSTEREN: It’s sort of interesting. There are a couple jobs in government that have no job description. One is first lady. You know, whoever — you know, each first lady sort of defines it herself. We’re going to have to maybe define, you know, what the husband does of a vice president. But the vice president also (INAUDIBLE) sort of defined. We’ve seen Vice President Gore. He sort of made it more active. And Vice President Cheney, as — he’s assumed certain roles, you know. What’s your idea of what — what do you sort of envision the job as?
PALIN: Well, they’ve to be exclusively, of course, concentrating on the administrative side of governance. And there again, that’s where my executive experience will be put to good use. But John McCain and I have spoken a lot about the missions that we’ll be on together and about where he would like to see me lead. And energy independence is first and foremost what I will be able to help, in a supportive role, be able to help him get this nation firmly on that path towards energy independence.
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Please make it stop. It hurts.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:19 amPlease make it stop. It hurts.
Have patience. This airhead will be banished from the national scene this Wednesday. We will never have to see or hear of her again -- except to read the news of indictments and results of recall efforts coming from Alaska over the next six months.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:30 amPlease make it stop. It hurts.
The dumbness or the possibilities?
November 1st, 2008 at 9:33 amPalin still doesn’t seem to be clear on what she’ll be doing if elected to office.
It seems perfectly clear based on what she did as Mayor and Govenor:
Decorate and re-decorate the Capitol Building every four months at the tax payers' expense;
Travel with her children who should be in school at the tax payers' expense;
Shoot animals at the tax payers' expense;
Hire all her friends;
Use her power to seek revenge on Obama, Biden, the media, Colin Powell, Scott McClellan, Tina Fey, etc.
Fortuenately for us, she won't be elected.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:36 amWell, they’ve to be exclusively, of course, concentrating on the administrative side of governance.
Sounds like something right out of the mouth of George W. Bush.
That's another good indicator of what another ignorant President (which she would become within the first six to twelve months) would do to further destroy this country.
Spiegel Online has a great article about Bush in retrospect from a German perspective, and points out how badly he's debilitated this country. Palin would even be worse. Like third world nation worse...
November 1st, 2008 at 9:40 amis she on the "straight talk express"? i think those cobwebs are indicative of the mclame/flailin palin campaign...dead.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:41 amThis bimbo takes more time to say absolutely nothing than anyone I have ever seen. She is a one-person filibuster!
November 1st, 2008 at 9:43 amThis Republican campaign is a malignancy.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:48 amAnd energy independence is first and foremost what I will be able to help, in a supportive role, be able to help him get this nation firmly on that path towards energy independence.
She rejects the necessary Science required to take a lead in energy independence, and clearly does not possess the math skills to understand that never will 3% of the world's supply product 25% of the world's demand.
If she's really the future of the Republican Party, they are so over...
Only three days left of this nonsense.
It is over for her.
They are losing in red states.
State Supreme Courts across the nation have been reinstating voters who've been picked off the roles.
The Fed is actually monitoring voting stations for problems,
And even the MSM has been oddly active in spotlighting this process and creating hotlines for issues that may arise - preventing the possibility for another stolen election.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:49 amsatirev: Sarah Palin has managed to regress the women’s rights movement back several decades within the course of two brief months.
I don't think so, satirev.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:59 amHer stupidity is just too profound.
In my estimation she's caused far more damage to the Republicans and to Alaskans in general.
satirev Says:
Where are Palin’s medical records: Day #9 of her promise to release them????
What’s she hiding?
An Abortion? Probably - during her beauty queen wannabe days?
A Breast Augmentation? Most likely - again part of that beauty queen meme.
I'm betting that she took the ultimate birth control method last time around. For all the hype about carrying a child to term, I'm betting good old todd said no more, get yourself fixed.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:01 amFriday's polls
November 1st, 2008 at 10:02 am
Hey, her answers may be dumb but she's a wife and a mom! I can't bear to watch the video but I see she's got the FirstDoof and at least one kid. Did she drag along the poor infant as well?
November 1st, 2008 at 10:12 amYou betcha we can have energy independence!
First, we're gonna freeze spending on all entitlements. No more unemployement checks spreading the wealth from those who are working to those freeloaders.
Next, we're gonna raise taxes on all those workers out there currently gettin health insurance paid for by their employers.
Now, with less money to spend, people will drive less. And when people drive less, they use less oil. Plus, if we shift more jobs overseas, that will mean fewer people will have to drive to work. That will reduce our energy consumption even more.
And let's not ferget global warming. While this is a totally natural event and in no way caused by people, it has a blessed side effect of reducing demand for heating oil. I'll betcha by the end of my first term, we'll have energy consumption down so much that we can export oil and natural gas.
And it's important to consider, too, I think, that we should let the good people of Alaska decide whether they want to stay part of the United States, or become their own country. After all, they own their natural resources, so it's only natural they should profit by them. It's not like the rest of the country, where the oil and gas and coal underground belongs to the federal government and the federal government can squeeze the energy companies of their earned profits just to spread the wealth to people who don't do anything.
So as your Vice-Commander-in-Chief, I'll make sure you get exactly what you deserve (smile, wink).
November 1st, 2008 at 10:15 am"Fruit flys - I kid you not"
November 1st, 2008 at 10:17 amIn that same softball interview she claimed when she was a mayor, it was a non-partisan, bi-partisan position. What an idiot.,
November 1st, 2008 at 10:17 amsarah - your kid needs a kleenex. pay attention.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:39 amHer daughter to her immediate left could have given a better answer. Then again, it is her daughter so probably not.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:42 amsatirev Says: ...
Sarah Palin has managed to regress the women’s rights movement back several decades within the course of two brief months.
indeed...
and she brought out the racism and bigotry that's been simmering...
for that, i'm almost grateful... now everybody knows who the idjits are...
November 1st, 2008 at 10:43 amwe've got a long way to go, baby...
dr.matt - it was SUPPOSED to be a "non-partisan, bi-partisan position", always had been up till her run...
some digging will prove that she's been getting groomed for some time by the RNC...
November 1st, 2008 at 10:50 amLady,
November 1st, 2008 at 10:50 amJust shut the FCUK up already. You are a moron. Where is your fcuking baby anyway?????
This is a nice read for you Obama gushers.
Obama plans to deaden expectation after election victory
Obama's advisers have drawn up plans to lower expectations for his presidency if he wins, amid concerns that many of his euphoric supporters are harboring unrealistic hopes
Since the Obama phenomenon has no precedent in American politics, we must look to folk tales to understand it.
Another article hit the nail on the head!
November 1st, 2008 at 10:51 amOT, but I guarantee McBane does not win PA.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:52 amWhat is with this mumbling interviewer? I listened to the (INAUDIBLE) part five times, and couldn't disentangle the jumble of words. Were the thoughts spilling out of her brain too fast for her mouth to enunciate, or are they just slipping subliminal bits of glossolalia into Fox News nowadays?
And then when Palin starts speaking her usual whirlwind of nonsense... well, there's just no way for your logical mind to process it, so it necessarily shuts down.
Very clever approach, Ms. Palin! Orwell and Goebbels both salute you from the grave.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:56 amFrom the link supplied by the McCain poodle:
He has also been reminding crowds in recent days how “hard” it will be to achieve his goals, and that it will take time.
Do you ever read the stuff before posting?
November 1st, 2008 at 10:58 amApparently not, if you missed that.
I WANT BOOOOSH TO RESIGN ON WEDNESDAY!!!
FCUKING TRAITOR!
November 1st, 2008 at 11:01 amOne positive that can come from this election, is the pollsters will be forced to scrap their electoral models. If it's a blowout, they will have to confront their sloppy methodology, which doesn't take into account cell phone users.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:02 amAnd hey... I noticed Todd wasn't wearing a flag pin. Somebody please get a journalist on that right away.
It was kind of funny watching her kid roll her eyes and wipe her nose with her palm and try to whisper across to First Daddy Dude and such, while Sarah was rambling. You can tell they're used to just letting the endless words float by like elevator music.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:04 amhttp://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3527/palintodubyahex5.gif
November 1st, 2008 at 11:04 amI just realized; Amanda's last name is Terkel.
Any relation to Studds? If so, you have my deepest sympathies.
He was a great writer, and I will miss him.
RIP
November 1st, 2008 at 11:11 amMcGrampa has a < 3% chance of winning
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
November 1st, 2008 at 11:12 amSarah Palin is proof of the need to keep abortion legal and available.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:14 amI'm surprised no one is talking about what she said in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrUN8oldj9o
Apparently, the role of VP is to be the top Republicannibal and eat the top of the ticket!
November 1st, 2008 at 11:18 amLooks like bam2 has realized Obama is going to win. Congrats on finally obtaining some level of reality.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:18 amSuppose that Barack Obama were to concede Pennsylvania's electoral votes. Literally, concede them. Throw 'em back, like a Chase Utley home run at a Cubs' game. How often would he still win the election?
...89.0% of the time, according to our most recent run of simulations, along with another 2.4% of outcomes that ended in ties. This is because in the vast majority of our simulations, Obama either:
a) was winning at least 291 electoral votes, meaning that he could drop Pennsylvania's 21 and still be over 270, and/or
b) was winning at least 270 electoral votes, while already being projected to lose Pennsylvania in the first place.
(a) was much, much more common than (b), obviously.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:18 amMcGrampa has a < 3% chance of winning
And Pennsylvania is no longer a battleground state, according to the link.
Will that mean Obama destroys another cherished media icon, the Reagan Democrat?
November 1st, 2008 at 11:19 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
Was that last post, some new evolution of in-line citation?
Because I don't see any quotation marks.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:21 amNope. I provide the link from where I C&Ped the text.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:25 amLittle Princess Runny Nose is in need of a tissue, and is exhausted -- Mr & Mrs Palin, would one of you please pay attention to the needs of your child?
November 1st, 2008 at 11:28 amOnce again Palin is exploiting her children for the sake of her political life. Where is the outrage from the "pro-family" reich-wingers?
November 1st, 2008 at 11:30 amfrom antiwar.com
It will take more than the calm reassurances of Barack Obama to still these tides of discontent and rancor. If he defies the odds and actually makes it to the White House, Obama will merely put another face on the same old policies, albeit more friendly and less offensive to our own elites, who would rather not be so rudely confronted with the ruthlessness of their rulers.
As some of my readers may know, I recently moved to a small town in northern California, where antiwar feeling is high – and so is support for Obama. Everywhere I go I see Obama posters, bumper-stickers, etc. Why, just the other day, a gaggle of peace demonstrators gathered in the middle of the town's main street, holding up banners proclaiming their opposition to our government's foreign policy and their support for Obama. "Honk if you're for peace and Obama!" – and the resulting cacophony was audible for miles. I live next door to a couple that has festooned their home with peace signs, and their backyard is a veritable "peace garden," with peace signs sprouting up all over – and, yes, their car sports an Obama-Biden bumper-sticker. A house sign supporting the Democratic ticket has sprung up in their front yard, alongside the rhododendrons. I wonder how long it will take these well-meaning folks to become thoroughly disillusioned with their messiah. In the case of the more honest and intelligent, I give it a few weeks, a month or so at the outside. The rest, I'm afraid, will follow the Dear Leader to perdition…
~ Justin Raimondo
November 1st, 2008 at 11:35 am(that's why I'm voting green)
November 1st, 2008 at 11:36 amI see katy got there before me at #20. Moms think alike. :)
Dr Matt, I'm sure that the wing nuts would say that being with her parents is much more important than anything -- including school, apparently.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:37 amDid she also admit that it was a part-time position?
November 1st, 2008 at 11:37 amThat's why you're an idiot. The only "people" that "think" Obama is treated as a "messiah" are disgruntled shillary supporters and the unhinged reich-wingers...and there's no difference between the two groups.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:38 ammccain: I knew I should have picked joe .. at least he could correct my mistakes.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:38 amSo is "Bam_Bam" really the latest alias for Gigi?
If so, she's the blog equivalent of Steve Carlton, still going out there, insisting she can still pitch, while getting shelled repeatedly.
Of course, unlike Steve Carlton, Gigi used to get shelled in her prime, too.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:41 amIsn't Bam Bam due for a new link to a new lame ass picture?
November 1st, 2008 at 11:44 amI never supported Hillary and I am not a reich-winger.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:45 amThe only "hope" the trolls have now is to cite the factually challenged rants on Faux/Drudge.
For a so-called "fair and balanced" network, it's quite amazing that shortly after Drudge posts something it just happens to appear on Faux.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:45 amhere ya go bam = bam,
sen. john ensign (r-nv),
chair of the national republican
senatorial committee, throws
sarah under the bus.
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enjoy.
:)
November 1st, 2008 at 11:51 amObama will keep us at war.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:53 amObama voted for 2008 FISA.
Obama voted for $700 bailout.
$700B
November 1st, 2008 at 11:54 amKay, shillary isn't in the race any longer....deal with it.
November 1st, 2008 at 11:56 amI never cared if Hillary was or wasn't in the race: Dennis Kucinich was my candidate right from the very beginning.
Curious, though, why you keep bringing her up?
November 1st, 2008 at 11:59 amAnd furthermore I do resent you calling me an idiot.
Your intelligence is showing, again.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:00 pmKay, you're whining half-breed shillary supporter. It's obvious. Will you commit suicide or move to Cuba after Obama wins?
November 1st, 2008 at 12:01 pmTwo things for the conservatives out there:
Wes Pruden is not a realiable source of information or opinions, as his mindset is fixed on believing his ideology reflects the true nature of the world, and he couldn;t be more wrong.
And Ronald Reagan is dead. It's too bad his ideology and overly-simplistic way of dividing the world into Good and Evil didn't die with him.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:04 pmYou are truly despicable. I never supported Hillary.
When Obama and his warmongering advisers cause 9/11 : the sequel, imbed us in Afghanistan with 20,000 troops(w/Betrayus at the helm) and this great country is deep in The Great Depression of '09 -- get back to me.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:07 pmKay:
November 1st, 2008 at 12:07 pmI am curious and maybe I misread but why vote green then. Why not write in Kucinich? I am not trying to be argumentative. I just don't follow you. Thanks
Matt and Kay, this is no time to be fighting amongst ourselves or calling each other names.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:07 pmKay,
With all due respect, what evidence do you see that Obama will continue sending our troops into war? (You posted a comment from antiwar.com that was short on facts, and simply leaped to the conclusion that Obama does not want to end the war in Iraq.) I would like to understand where people get the idea that Obama wants to keep us at war. What has he said that make people believe that? I appreciate your help.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:09 pmI was going to write in Kucinich -- but then I decided to vote green.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:11 pmObama said last night on CNN with Wolf Blitzer he is going to focusing on Afghanistan.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:11 pmHe should be focusing on Afghanistan. The focus should have been there all along.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:13 pmWhenever someone like Kay claims to be ready to issue a protest vote on the grounds that the Democratic candidate is essentially no different from the Republican, I always wonder whether they believe that we'd still be in the same shape we're in today if all those Nader voters in 2000 hadn't thrown the state of Florida to Bush.
I'm thinking not.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:16 pmKay,
If you live in a state that is going to go unquestionably one way or the other, then, by all means, help a third party try to get 5% of the national vote so that they can automatically qualify to be on federal ballots. Nothing wrong with that. I, for one, do not feel that either the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party (especially the Republican party) serves the interests of the people well.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:16 pmSarah Palin is prima facia evidence that someone is behind the curtain pulling the strings.
While Cheney is Machiavellian, he can at least speak in public.
From Palin's prepositon overloaded diatribes, it's clear the old Republican guard, like James A. Baker, is absent.
The lying and "hot button" statements point to Rove and his ilk.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:17 pmKay Says:
Obama said last night on CNN with Wolf Blitzer he is going to focusing on Afghanistan.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:11 pm
And...
November 1st, 2008 at 12:18 pmThis woman is an embarrassment. I really have no idea how the McCain campaign ever settled for this woman as the running mate.
Seriously, I doubt her ramblings starter after she was picked; she must have been just as shallow when running for governor. I cannot believe nobody in the McCain camp bothered to watch any of that footage to get an idea of who she is...
November 1st, 2008 at 12:22 pmsorry kay, your
deception does
not work.
*
better luck next time.
*
thank you.
^
November 1st, 2008 at 12:26 pmKay Says:
When Obama and his warmongering advisers cause 9/11 : the sequel
Wha? How do you know this? Does god talk to you?
And I wonder what it has to do with the topic of the thread. You do know what it is, don't you?
November 1st, 2008 at 12:27 pmKay Says:
Obama said last night on CNN with Wolf Blitzer he is going to focusing on Afghanistan.
Good for him. When you think about what's happening in Afghanistan now and the fact that Pakistan is ready to implode, someone needs to do something in a hurry to contain the situation.
I especially like the fact that Obama has put Pakistan on notice that they won't be getting our money willy-nilly like Bush gave it to them without getting anything in return.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:28 pmKay Says:
I was going to write in Kucinich — but then I decided to vote green.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Have the courage of your convictions. Write in Kucinich.
The result will be the same.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:30 pmKay Says:
When Obama and his warmongering advisers cause 9/11 : the sequel
Ok folks, Kay's gone off the rails again. Let's not encourage her by replying to her absurd posts.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:31 pmBeing from Massachusetts (blue) so voting green helps McKinney
November 1st, 2008 at 12:32 pmbeing a third party try to get 5% of the national vote so that they can automatically qualify to be on federal ballots.
Yup. I've gone off the rails. Go ahead ignore me. I'm probably the most sane one here.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:33 pmFunny, you miss the part where Afganistan is where the people who actually attacked us are living....
Funny too that you assume with no evidence, only your blind belief, that Obama will deal with these matters in the same way that the neo-cons did. Funny but not necessarily true.
You are entitled to believe whatever you want. I disagree with you.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:36 pm#Bam_Bam Says:
Since the Obama phenomenon has no precedent in American politics, we must look to folk tales to understand it.
Bam...please...critical thinking! I am sure that Obama supporters know that he is not going to be able to do all he wants to do immediately. They all know what a mess the Republicans have left for him to clean up. And he needs to clean up those messes before he can proceed to implement new programs. On the other hand, Obama is perfectly capable of multi-tasking so I expect he will do both at the same time.
Bam...you and your's rein of terror is coming to an end. Too bad so sad. May you all rot in hell.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:41 pmKay Says:
Yup. I’ve gone off the rails. Go ahead ignore me. I’m probably the most sane one here.
You are right Kay, you are a legend in your own mind. From the way you post, it must be a very scary place to be.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:44 pmY;know, I'm pretty sure Nixon said the same thing in the summer of '74...
November 1st, 2008 at 12:58 pmKay Says:
Yup. I’ve gone off the rails. Go ahead ignore me. I’m probably the most sane one here.
are you feeling ignored kay?
*
does that bother you?
^
November 1st, 2008 at 12:58 pmI've been reading what 'Kay' has been writing and I think I got it now: Kay is an idiot! I tried to think of the best word to describe her rants, but 'idiot' is the proper choice.
The world is crumbling around the GOP and they all know it. They can do all of the head-fakes thay want, but in their heart of hearts, they know they are toast. Some on the right are starting to talk about getting more ammo and making sure Obama doesn't get very far. That is treason, not being an American. We watched W ruin the country and parts of the world. Why can't Kay and the other loser trolls allow Obama the same time to either prove or disprove his capabilities? Is being a bigot the end all, and be all with the right side? Would they want the country to slide further into the abyss, rather than giving Obama and the dems a chance? It does appear so. Bigots are un-American Kay.
Are you a bigot? Tell the truth.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:59 pmPlease let's see that she is sent back to the far North, everytime she opens her mouth it only gets worse.
November 1st, 2008 at 1:02 pmThat's the fun thing about predictions. We get to see which come true and which fail in reality.
My vote turned into an anti-Bush/Republican vote. Obama will be centrist at best. There's nothing lefty about a guy who voted for telecom immunity, right before AT&T sponsored the Democratic National Convention.
The DNC Energy reception was as secretive as Cheney's White House Energy meeting. It got an ABC investigative news producer arrested for being on a public sidewalk.
Obama's likely National Security Adviser General James Jones serves on the boards of Chevron and Boeing.
Republicans hate Bill Clinton for horning in on their big money boy franchise. Ex-Clinton staffers Mack McLarty and David Marchick now work for the Carlyle Group.
Guess who'll be lining up for gobs of the forthcoming "stimulus package" to be signed in the first two weeks of the new Presidency? That same Carlyle Group. They're positioned to make kajillions under a red or blue administration.
Let Kay be Kay. That's what America is all about.
November 1st, 2008 at 1:03 pmKay is a guy, and he's voting green in a safe Dem state.
Who cares?
November 1st, 2008 at 1:04 pmSo many words saying absolutely nothing in that irritating tone.
The unthinkable could happen as check this out:
VIDEO: OPRAH SEES OWN PRESIDENTIAL VOTE DROPPED BY TOUCH-SCREEN VOTING MACHINE
November 1st, 2008 at 1:04 pmI am know interested in the assessment of sanity. Kay as the judge where might you place me on your continuum and what quantitative measures do you employ when building your sanity rubric?
November 1st, 2008 at 1:12 pmdbadass Says:
__________
Ahem...
Sorry, but as we all know, there is no Sanity Clause...
November 1st, 2008 at 1:17 pmThat 83 IQ just shines, doesn't it?
November 1st, 2008 at 1:26 pmThe Governator says that giving out Halloween candy is a typical liberal handout.
November 1st, 2008 at 1:27 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxSW9nK3kI8
Also makes fun of skinny Obama.
Boehner called Obama a Chickenshit! How's that for leadership?
November 1st, 2008 at 1:33 pmI'm saying this again . To those posters who insult anyone who is not absolutely in agreement with them . Try reasoned argument it serves us all better. Adolescent and offensive remarks do nothing to further your cause and does not convince anyone who may be sitting on the fence to vote for your candidate .
November 1st, 2008 at 1:35 pmI have been called a lot of names at certain times in the past here as well Kay and later received apologies from most.
Where everyone thinks the same no one thinks very much .
The nastiness here disempowers us all and gives the right wing and Bill O ammunition to use against our common cause !
KEEP IT CLEAN !
freeman Says:
I’m saying this again . To those posters who insult anyone who is not absolutely in agreement with them . Try reasoned argument it serves us all better. Adolescent and offensive remarks do nothing to further your cause and does not convince anyone who may be sitting on the fence to vote for your candidate .
Thank you. We've had enough mindreading from the trolls, and we don't need to be telling others what their real motivation is, or calling people names because they've made different choices. That's the behavior of wingnuts.
November 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pmZooey Says:
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Kay is a guy, and he’s voting green in a safe Dem state.
Not a bad strategy if you want to break the hold of large corporations on our 2 party system .If Barrack is safe in your state a vote for a 3rd party candidate who might reach the 5% threshold would certainly change the political landscape here .
November 1st, 2008 at 1:45 pmBe kind to each other , it's what should set us apart.
Adios
# 90 state of the division ...My thinking exactly !
November 1st, 2008 at 1:55 pmHang in there, Kay. After you've been carpet-bombed by foul-mouthed ideologues like DHM, you'll be less likely to be persuaded when they parachute in window-dressing Care packages later.
There IS a difference between the Democrats and Republican. It is the choice between leprosy and the plague. One provides a disfiguring and lingering death; the other a quick and very painful death. I have stepped completely out of the two-party system. I refuse to waste my vote on it any longer.
The people who suggest that Nader voter "caused" Bush to be elected simply because they didn't vote for Gore either don't understand democracy or have contempt for it. Brush up of some basic civics: The people "responsible" for a candidates election are those for voters who voted for that person. To say that those how didn't vote for that person means that every voter who didn't vote at all is also "responsible" for Bush election. Using you own pretzel logic, that would have meant that Bush was elected by 75% of the American people. You're conceding him quite a mandate in 2000, aren't you?
November 1st, 2008 at 1:58 pmIceNine. Are you atop Mount McCabe?
November 1st, 2008 at 2:04 pmIt reminds me of "Joe Dirt". Only thing lacking is any kind of sense of human decency, love, or intelligence. Dennis Miller plaid faux real well in that film. HIs best role.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:04 pmA friend told me once that here is a differnce between Reppub's and dem's .If a repub wins things will go down hill , if a dem wins things will go down hill ... but slower .
November 1st, 2008 at 2:06 pmDem's are the lesser of 2 evils but the 2 party system is bought and paid for in either case .
foul mouthed liberal ideologues......???!!!
As ROS says "Goes to prove one more time, trolls don’t understand irony."
Look, I'm for civility but lets not forget who broght the mean to the table either, and seem absolutly not willing to let it go. GOP Lee Attwater, kkarl rove, and now mccain and the race baiters....
November 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pmIceNine Says:
There IS a difference between the Democrats and Republican. It is the choice between leprosy and the plague.
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Hate to pop your balloon for ya, but you'll never convince me in a million years that we'd be where we are today, after eight years of Botch, if Gore had made it into the WH instead.
Actually... heh... I lied. I LIKE popping your balloon... my bad...
November 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pmI say unto you resist not evil ...... Jesus
November 1st, 2008 at 2:14 pmOr in the words of my mother ,2 wrongs don't make a right !I think Obama and the democrats in general have done admirably in this regard during this election cycle .The republicans not so much.
Let the republicans bury themselves in peace !
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
IceNine Says:
There IS a difference between the Democrats and Republican. It is the choice between leprosy and the plague.
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Hate to pop your balloon for ya, but you’ll never convince me in a million years that we’d be where we are today, after eight years of Botch, if Gore had made it into the WH instead.
Bingo. That was the mistake I made in 2000, voting for Nader. I have never been more wrong.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pmSo, you believe that we would have invaded Iraq if Al Gore had been elected, right?
You also must believe that the de-regulation that brought down our economy would also have happened if Al Gore had been elected, right?
You must also believe that the national debt would inevitably be at 10+ Trillion today if Al Gore had been elected, right.
Sorry, I disagree, respectully of course.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:17 pmWell, IceNine, since I was one who said something very similar to this above, let me assure you that I understand democracy fairly well and certainly don't have contempt for it.
But thanks for your broadly Manichean assessment.
Among Nader voters in 2000, the refrain was fairly common that there was "no difference" between Bush and Gore, since both were major-party candidates who were beholden to corporate interests.
In that election, Bush was awarded Florida's electoral votes by an official margin of 537 -- 2,912,790 to 2,912,253.
Nader received 97,421 votes. I think it's fair to say that at least one percent of Nader's voters fell into the category of left-leaning protest votes that would otherwise have gone to Gore, had the substantial differences between Bush and Gore on policy been at all important to those people.
One percent of 97,421 is 974.
That's one percent.
I think it's fair to say that the leadership of this nation under Gore would have reacted far differently than it did under Bush, even given the same circumstances. Arguments can be made whether 9/11 would even have happened, for instance, but certainly Gore would not have invaded Iraq. Gore would not have cut taxes for the rich to the extent that Bush did. Gore would not have turned over management of the regulatory agencies to the industries they were supposed to be regulating.
People who voted for Nader out of a mistaken belief that a vote for Gore would have been no different than a vote for Bush made their choice in a fit of pique, not a sober assessment of the candidates. I'm not saying every Nader voter fits that category; the vast majority, I'm sure passionately supported his message. But surely there must have been a few in Florida, at least one in a hundred who made a choice out of cynicism. And in Florida in 2000, those few had a monumental impact.
Your logistical gymnastics intended to distort my point are amusing, but only in the sense that we're waiting to see you land on your head.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pmfreeman Says:
Let the republicans bury themselves in peace !
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I'm not in such a "Christiany, turn-the-other-cheek" mood these days.
I'd like to take an active hand in burying GOOpers, and in pieces, at boot.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pmBill O has used the posters insubstantial remarks of anger on the daily Kos against us and caused Jet Blue to retract it's sponsorship for instance .
November 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pmStick to your arguments , choose your words carefully , don't dull a sharp instrument .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MIIhZ3HQMg
Fred Says:
Sorry, I disagree, respectully of course.
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Hmmm... I'm starting to worry about you, Fred. keep on being so perlite 'n respectful, you'll show up one of these days in a smoking jacket and bow tie...
November 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pmIt does appear so. Bigots are un-American Kay.
Are you a bigot? Tell the truth.
That's my guess.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pmfreeman Says:
Stick to your arguments , choose your words carefully , don’t dull a sharp instrument .
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Sheesh... didn't you mean to say... "Never pull a dull instrument"?
November 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pmOh, and, back on topic (sort of) --
Sarah Palin appears to believe we are at war with Iran:
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/sarah-palin-talks-about-first-100-days-
November 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pmFred ,Remember Vice President Lieberman ?
November 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pmROS ,whatever works . I'm just worried that your distracting them by trying to take the shovel out of their hands .
I do believe the last eight years would've been very different under a President Gore. Why? There would've been a check on Republican power.
They had four years with majorities in both houses of Congress and the White House. They used 2002-2006 to foster corporate interests. That period coincides with a Wall Street run amok.
The Democratic majority Congress since 2006 has me concerned about the future of the party. Their stand on progressive issues has been almost deplorable. Their record of holding the Bush administration accountable also leaves much to be desired.
The question is open as to how much Democrats sold their souls to get elected in this $5 billion election? Republicans brag about selling theirs. How much Bush Corporafornication will continue under Obama, Pelosi and Reid? It remains to be seen.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:31 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Your logistical gymnastics intended to distort my point are amusing, but only in the sense that we’re waiting to see you land on your head.
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Ralphie!!!
Whack-A-Troll™ is back! I was afraid we would be forced to cancel the Fall Pro-Am Tour, for lack of suitable trolls. I wuz jes' about ta put my gear up fer sale on E-Bay, fer cryin' out loud...
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"But thanks for your broadly Manichean assessment."
Broadly Manichean assessment?
***TRoS scratching head...***
Wow... been using that liberry card, huh?
November 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pmOh and by all means bury them ! After this election assuming I'm still in this country and haven't fled with my family, it's gloves off on the Democrats ,
November 1st, 2008 at 2:33 pmbig time.
Who do I speak to in order to obtain the current rankings as to troll whacking professionals? I hate to have to beat on name only. My ma does that on the horses and tends to do okay. I just think prefer a little more data before I lay my money down...
November 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pmSorry, TRoS, my game's a little rusty these days. I guess that's true for all of us Whack-A-Trollers, huh?
November 1st, 2008 at 2:41 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Sorry, TRoS, my game’s a little rusty these days. I guess that’s true for all of us Whack-A-Trollers, huh?
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You can say that again, Ralph... I was afraid Whack-A-Troll was about to go the way of midget-tossing and snipe-hunting... the stuff of myth and fable.
But you what they say... practice makes perfect...
***TRoS to troller ahead of him...*** 'Cuse us... playing thru!
Watch dis one, Ralphie...
November 1st, 2008 at 2:45 pmdbadass, the only advice I can give ya in terms of handicapping Whack-A-Trollers is never bet on the troll.
And, TRoS -- don't ever sell your gear on eBay. That would be like Wayne Gretzky selling his skates. If you want to clear some space in the garage, let me know and I'll make you a generous offer. Maybe I'll even start a Whack-A-Troll Hall of Fame.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:49 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Zooey Says:
Kay is a guy, and he’s voting green in a safe Dem state.
Not a bad strategy if you want to break the hold of large corporations on our 2 party system .If Barrack is safe in your state a vote for a 3rd party candidate who might reach the 5% threshold would certainly change the political landscape here.
I would agree if this was any other election. But, considering the fact that the Republicans are trying desperately to poison the well with Obama, I think that even in safe states we need everyone to vote for Obama. He will need an overwhelming mandate to be able to govern without constant interference by the Republicans.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:53 pmdbadass Says:
Who do I speak to in order to obtain the current rankings as to troll whacking professionals? I hate to have to bet on name only. My ma does that on the horses and tends to do okay. I just think prefer a little more data before I lay my money down…
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Well, you could always subscribe to "TrollBusters Weekly"... it's generally considered the Sports Illustrated of the troll-whacking set. But it's a big, national publication, and is often late to pick up on the regional trends. And we all know, that's where the hot newcomers show first.
Perhaps its best to get out and get a look at the players yourself, and their strengths, weaknesses, and quirks. Then, once you KNOW who's who in troll-whacking, you'll be able to place your bets w/ more assurance.
'Course, you could allus skip alla dat n' jes' put yer money down on ***Me***...
Tee 'n hee. Yes... "tee" and "hee" is two different words... would I lie to you?
November 1st, 2008 at 2:57 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
dbadass, the only advice I can give ya in terms of handicapping Whack-A-Trollers is never bet on the troll.
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Sound advice, Ralph... sound advice.
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And, TRoS — don’t ever sell your gear on eBay. That would be like Wayne Gretzky selling his skates. If you want to clear some space in the garage, let me know and I’ll make you a generous offer. Maybe I’ll even start a Whack-A-Troll Hall of Fame.
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Sniff... sniff... I'm touched, Ralphie... no, really... I am...
'Course, folks have been sayin' I'm a "bit touched" fer quite a while now...
Hmmm... mebbe they meant sumpin' other than I thought... mebbe they didn't mean it in a good way after all... hmmm...
November 1st, 2008 at 3:04 pmOne last question as I have found it a little difficult to find the definitve rulebook and whereas we have such true icons amongst us, might I ask the two of you for any advice a dad hoping to see his children take some interest in the sport might find useful? I am assuming there is some title 2 monies or is the collegiate thing coed?
November 1st, 2008 at 3:12 pmI sometimes wonder how old captain mantasic is doing these days.
November 1st, 2008 at 3:18 pmTruth, dbadass???
You haven't been able to find a definitive rulebook for Whack-A-Troll™ because it doesn't exist, yet. We've tried putting an Official Rules Committee together, but they just end up hopelessly drunk and roaming the streets, causing trouble.
I'm sure Ralphie will agree w/ me when I say the only rule that really matters is... "Allus get the troll, before the troll gets YOU...".
And the 2nd most important rule would hafta be... All's fair in love, 'n war, 'n especially troll-whacking.
And there's my personal favorite... a boot to da groin allus trumps 2 pair, or 3 of a kind, fer that matter...
I mean, is there any spectacle in all of sports more exciting that the pure play of mano a trollo?
As for your children... Whack-A-Troll is a demanding disciple, and not for the faint of heart. Perhaps your offspring should actually watch a match or two. The gory sight of a troll begging for its wretched life before being ultimately dispatched by the victor just might change their minds for them.
And afterwards, if they're still set, there are Junior Leagues out there.
You never know, dbadass... you just might have the Tiger Woods of Whack-A-Troll in your house...
November 1st, 2008 at 3:28 pmFred Says:
I sometimes wonder how old captain mantasic is doing these days.
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Tee 'n hee... yeah, mantastic was a fun troll, wasn't he?
You know how polo originated? W/ the loser's head wrapped up in a bundle to make the ball... oh Cap'n... where are you? Care to play some polo wid us?
November 1st, 2008 at 3:31 pmI have nothing to add to the exhaustive primer on Whack-A-Troll™ compiled by TRoS.
... I wonder just how good a Whack-A-Troller Dinsdale Piranha would have made...
November 1st, 2008 at 3:31 pmThe Republic of Stupidity:
November 1st, 2008 at 3:41 pmTrust me my feral children are way beyond that Thunderdome bummarang kid...
please make the extra m an o and get rid of the u and add an extra o. Thanks...
November 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
I have nothing to add to the exhaustive primer on Whack-A-Troll™ compiled by TRoS.
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Hmmm... glad to see you didn't use "exhausting" in that sentence, Ralph.
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… I wonder just how good a Whack-A-Troller Dinsdale Piranha would have made…
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Ah yes... the Pirahna Brothers... even I have never thought of nailing a troll's head to a coffee table...
November 1st, 2008 at 3:45 pmThe role of the VP is to be the Oil Princess Czar? Wow. I had never thought of it that way. Spit. And all this time I was thinking Sarah was Dick Cheney in drag! Boy was I close!
November 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pmdbadass Says:
please make the extra m an o and get rid of the u and add an extra o. Thanks…
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Hmmm... I kinda like that other spelling, 'n "bummerang" would be even better.
Kinda fits the GOOPers these days, no? They throw some nasty Shi'ite out there and it just bummerangs right back into their faces...
I like it... 'n if yer youn'uns are already past the "Thunderdome Phase" of Childhood Development, they might well have a lucrative and rewarding future in front of them in Pro Whack-A-Troll after all...
November 1st, 2008 at 3:57 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Zooey Says:
Kay is a guy, and he’s voting green in a safe Dem state.
Not a bad strategy if you want to break the hold of large corporations on our 2 party system .If Barrack is safe in your state a vote for a 3rd party candidate who might reach the 5% threshold would certainly change the political landscape here.
I would agree if this was any other election. But, considering the fact that the Republicans are trying desperately to poison the well with Obama, I think that even in safe states we need everyone to vote for Obama. He will need an overwhelming mandate to be able to govern without constant interference by the Republicans.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pm....................
Bilbo this is a tough call and let me admit here though I live in washington state and there was a 12 point spread , I decided to cast my vote for Obama early any way .
Todd Palin looks like he enjoys living off his wife's career.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pmBam_Bam Says:
Something ignorant as always. You are such a worthless troll. With your QUICK look over there or over there WWWWAAAHHHHH stop talking about how stupid Palin is, you know THE TOPIC, WWWWAAHHHHHHH. Dry your eyes, quit snivelling and go back to your bridge
November 1st, 2008 at 4:52 pmHeres the thing Kay. You dont have to try to convince me that we basically have two wings of the business party. I am there. I voted 3rd party before and will again. Kucinich was always my guy. There ARE however differences between the parties. Yes they are marginal differences but those marginal differences in times like these can mean REAL things and real adding to or alleviating the misery of people on the margins and right now that is a whole lot of people. I am not a Dem. I am a green. It is important for us progressives to remember that sometimes the perfect can become the enemy of the good. Marginal difference CAN be the begining of REAL change. IF we get an Obama in this time and he is popular, does a good job the American people might be willing to look a little further left next time and perhaps eventually we can get to a place where a Dennis Kucinich is electable instead of a place where the press wont say anything about him except he is unelectable. I know also that if things only get marginally better it can be like a soporiphic and numb us so we dont push for REAL change. We should keep our eyes open about that but do you REALLY want to stake out an agenda of ideological purity to the extent you ignore the tactical reality? Fine. It isnt my intent to try to convince you to do anything you arent comfortable with just leave some room to understand that REAL progressives and sometimes us far lefty liberals can see this issue in different terms. The game of I am so much leftier than thou really isnt getting anything substantial done either.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:04 pmgee, I'm a little lost . . . I am just a Whack-A-Troll duffer and and unsure of crossing the line and accidentally turning "pro" and losing my ability to play collegiate Whack . . . . and what about this "free agent" stuff? . . .
November 1st, 2008 at 10:32 pmIf a constituent votes for an outliers' presidential candidate, they might as well vote for Mickey Mouse.
It's a wasted vote.
Do they really think they are counted in this historical event? They might as well stay home or wherever.
Do they sit at home rooting for their candidate to reach .00000000000001 vote?
November 1st, 2008 at 10:35 pmObama Called The N-Word At Palin Rally
It's clearly obvious that O'Sarah bin Palin heard the remark as she stumbled and bumbled through her ranting vile speech, yet she does nothing to denounce it.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9T0FI2axbU
November 1st, 2008 at 10:52 pmHere's a little Palin humor about her incompetence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv9bvrN1QMU
November 1st, 2008 at 11:12 pmsatirev Says:
This woman is pathetically uneducated (and it shows), uninformed (and it continues to show despite all of the intense tutoring) and an embarrassment not only to John McCain but to the position of Vice President in this country.
I, for one, cannot wait to not have to be reminded (as a woman) about how this "token female" was used as a political tool.
Sarah Palin has managed to regress the women's rights movement back several decades within the course of two brief months.
She's scared the pants off of every american at the mere thought of her total lack of qualification to take the reins of this country.
SARAH PALIN WAS THE 'OCTOBER SURPRISE' - RIGHT IN TIME FOR HALLOWEEN!
mcchimpy isn't any better.
November 2nd, 2008 at 1:12 amGame of Life Says:
If a constituent votes for an outliers’ presidential candidate, they might as well vote for Mickey Mouse.
It’s a wasted vote.
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No it isnt for TWO reasons first of all the ONLY vote I waste is the one I cast for someone I dont believe in. SECOND the Democratic party often just flat IGNORES liberals like me, they take me for granted because I am just not going to vote for any Republicans. It helps send them a message and a wake up call that I DO have another alternative and they CAN lose me so they better take my issues seriously. So I completely disagree that just because my candidate isnt going to win that means my vote was wasted. I find that a very limited view of the franchise
November 2nd, 2008 at 1:26 amWell, they’ve to be exclusively, of course, concentrating on the administrative side of governance. And there again, that’s where my executive experience will be put to good use.
November 2nd, 2008 at 3:27 amWTF?????!!!!