Palin suggests U.S. is at war with Iran.
By on Nov 1st, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Palin suggests U.S. is at war with Iran.
In her interview with Fox News’ Greta van Susteren last night, Gov. Sarah Palin appeared to claim that the U.S. needs to “win” the non-existent war with Iran:
We realize that more and more Americans are starting to see the light there and understand the contrast. And we talk a lot about, OK, we’re confident that we’re going to win on Tuesday, so from there, the first 100 days, how are we going to kick in the plan that will get this economy back on the right track and really shore up the strategies that we need over in Iraq and Iran to win these wars?
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Not only that, but immediately after this statement, Greta asked Sarah about Bill Richardson saying that Obama’s tax cut would go to those under $120,000, rather than $250,000.
Sarah refused to acknowledge that Richardson misspoke. She insisted that he had revealed the truth of Obama’s plan.
Given that assessment, why should we not assume that Sarah has just revealed the truth of McCain’s ambitions?
November 1st, 2008 at 4:04 pmWhy is that child dressed up like a Princess? Can anyone answer that?
Sorry, was Caribou Barbie saying something….?
November 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pmI just wonder if the folks in Alaska know how much of a punchline they’ve become. Even conservative pundits are calling her unqualified to be president – the same pundits who thought Bush was ok for the job.
Being rated lower than the chimp by the intelligencia on her own side, makes the Alaskans who voted for her, look like they voted for the first pretty face to stick her head inside the igloo.
Perhaps a little too much “Northern Exposure.”
November 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pmPalin: We realize that more and more Americans are starting to see the light there and understand the contrast
– - Light, contrast … what’s missing is brightness.
And where the hell was this interview? The early-bird special at a Denny’s?
November 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pmGiven that this was taped on Holloween, I’d imagine the child to be dressed in costume, but the really scary part of this interview is the content of Palin’s answers. Her haughty confidence that they will win, and her speaking about the “first hundred days” is a little more cock-suredness than “he’s measuring the drapes for the Oval Office. Perhaps she and McCain know someting about the inner workings of this election than the rest of us. Remmember the prediction that the election is rigged to give McCain a 51.4 % victory! Frightening!
November 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pmI encourage Caribou Barbie to keep on speaking. The more she does and the more she makes an utter ass of herself the more likely it will become that even Alaskans will tire of her and perhaps hold a recall election or impeach her. Quite honestly, I remain amazed with Caribou Barbie being able to breathe and talk at the same time.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pmZooey Says:
Why is that child dressed up like a Princess? Can anyone answer that?
– - Halloween costume.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pmBadmoodman Says:
Zooey Says:
Why is that child dressed up like a Princess? Can anyone answer that?
- – Halloween costume.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I’ve outed myself as the Halloween Grinch. *blush*
November 1st, 2008 at 4:23 pmIt is just astonishing how consistently Republicans employ projection and accuse others of the very traits and crimes of which they are guilty.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pmWe are at war with Iraq now? Do the Iraqis know?
She’s the gift that keeps on giving. Can’t wait to return it back to Alaska.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pmZooey Says:
I’ve outed myself as the Halloween Grinch. *blush*
– - I’m Grinchier. I can’t decide if my personal hell would be every day being Halloween in my neighborhood or a McPalin administration.
Really, it’s that close.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pmCan we please drop this stupid “first hundred days” goal? It’s arbitrary and unconnected to the reality of how Republicans obstruct what they hate in government today.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pmOops, my bad, I meant Iranians, not Iraqis. I pretty sure the Iraqis know we’re blowing their sh*t up
November 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pmthe Lone Voice of Reason Says:
She’s (Palin) the gift that keeps on giving. Can’t wait to return it back to Alaska.
– - Let’s hope Alaska isn’t a re-gifter.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:38 pm#14–funny:D
November 1st, 2008 at 4:41 pmDang, I gotta go back to work and I didn’t get to play Whack-a-Troll
the Lone Voice of Reason Says:
She’s (Palin) the gift that keeps on giving. Can’t wait to return it back to Alaska.
And let’s not forget, that the major newspaper in Alaska has endorsed ……… OBAMA/BIDEN!!!!!
Might be a tough reunion when she slithers back.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:41 pmDo NOT misunderestimate the appeal of this woman to the lumpen-white folk.
They envy and hate anybody who seems to be smarter, more sophisticated, better traveled, better read, more “INTELLIGENT” than they are.
She’s none of those things. She’s patently stupid, patently a prevaricator, and proud of it.
She’s a parvenu, but they see her as a ’striver.’ She’s just learning how to steal, lie and cheat in the BEEG TAHM!
But she’s a larnin’, you betcha she is…
November 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pmI have a feeling she has been briefed that we will be at war with Iran by January. Cheney did come out an endorse McCain today.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pmA new case is made daily against Iran in Israeli newspapers.
I would attribute Palin’s slip to carelessness, letting the goose out of the bag, but I don’t think they’re including her in national security updates.
That doesn’t mean the two headed monster of politically radioactive George Bush and Ehud Olmert is ready to leave office quietly. They have months to start something with Iran.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:44 pmTokin says:
It is interesting how so many Americans are not envious or angry at McCain over his Beer Heiress fortune, but loathe people how are better educated than themselves.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:45 pm– - I’m Grinchier. I can’t decide if my personal hell would be every day being Halloween in my neighborhood or a McPalin administration.
Really, it’s that close.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Takes me back, to 77 Sunset Strip: “Ohhhh, Kookie, your’re the G(R)INCHIEST….” as Hollywood struggled to write teen-slang…it was embarraassing…
November 1st, 2008 at 4:45 pmTP,
Please update your calendar. Halloween was last night and all the witches (all but one obviously) have slunk back to their bubbling (or is that burning) pot. Why are we being subjected to this travesty all day. Damn, George WTF must be cutting brush somewhere, Darth has to be shooting at some Lawyer, Lindsey Graham, our next Attorney General, is fixing to blossom some Magnolia under some spanish moss, even Ex-Senator Stevens should be throwing snow-balls from his second-story balcony that he doesn’t know about, and I have exausted my store of “Ho” jokes. Just put up a blank screen and say “Have at it!”
November 1st, 2008 at 4:46 pmdon’tcha know…i can see iran from alaska. it must be that war caused by putin rearing his ugly head at joe the plumber. *wink wink*
November 1st, 2008 at 4:47 pmIt is interesting how so many Americans are not envious or angry at McCain over his Beer Heiress fortune, but loathe people how are better educated than themselves.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:45 pm
The lottery is the quintessential Murkin metaphor.
Every Whit-ard thinks he’ll get lucky and land the beer heiress. Hey, it could happen.
But to see a black elevated to that position is gonna drive the craven haters plumb fuuking CRAZY…
November 1st, 2008 at 4:47 pmHey it is really a forgone conclusion that if McPalin wins there will most likely be a war with Iran . The attack on Syria may well have been done in the hopes of an Iranian reprisal as they have a common defense pact .
November 1st, 2008 at 4:47 pmNext up to bat … Israel ?
tokin librul Says:
Do NOT misunderestimate the appeal of this woman to the lumpen-white folk.
I Know it is anecdotal, but I am continually Surprised how many gun toting, government hating aquaintances I’ve run into who think Gov. Palin is NOT qualified to be president, and who think Sen. McCain has insulted their intelligence by chosing her.
We’ll see in a couple days .
November 1st, 2008 at 4:50 pmBadger Says:
November 1st, 2008 at 4:57 pmI Know it is anecdotal, but I am continually Surprised how many gun toting, government hating acquaintances I’ve run into who think Gov. Palin is NOT qualified to be president, and who think Sen. McCain has insulted their intelligence by choosing her.
………………………..
Living in a small town in Washington , I’ve found that there has been tremendous support for the ideas of Ron Paul ! I believe that many on the right will either not vote in this election or will cast their votes for Bob Barr !
tokin librul Says:
Every Whit-ard thinks he’ll get lucky and land the beer heiress.
__________
And sadly, all they do get is the beer, and eventually, the belly to go w/ it…
November 1st, 2008 at 4:59 pmBadmoodman Says:
- – I’m Grinchier. I can’t decide if my personal hell would be every day being Halloween in my neighborhood or a McPalin administration.
Really, it’s that close.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pm
You are Grinchier! :D
I was wondering why there were so many parties and crazy people in my (mostly college student) neighborhood. **snort**
November 1st, 2008 at 4:59 pmI would go to the doctor ’cause
I am sick of ailin’.
I could let the boat sink ’cause
I am sick of bailin’.
I would quit tryin’ but
I am sick of failin’.
I would keep calling but
I am sick of hailin’.
I would lick a stamp but
I am sick of mailin’.
I would keep complaining but
I am sick of railin’.
I should go ashore ’cause
I am sick of sailin’.
I should get ahead ’cause
I am sick of tailin’.
I should be happy ’cause
I am sick of wailin’.
I will vote for Obama ’cause
November 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pmI am sick of Palin.
“stateofthedivision Says:
A new case is made daily against Iran in Israeli newspapers.
I would attribute Palin’s slip to carelessness, letting the goose out of the bag, but I don’t think they’re including her in national security updates.
That doesn’t mean the two headed monster of politically radioactive George Bush and Ehud Olmert is ready to leave office quietly. They have months to start something with Iran.”
Olmert’s been out of power for weeks, and it’s nigh unlikely that Livni is pushing for war. She’s fighting for her political life and, though war would boost her with Likud, Shas, and the other right-wing parties, it’s not going to win her much allegiance in the Knesset.
Of course, that doesn’t mean OUR side isn’ itching for the fight…
November 1st, 2008 at 5:02 pmThat is so last year, dearling, we are now at war with Eastasia, not Eurasia
November 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pmAgain, I have to ask, PLEASE MAKE IT STOP. IT HURTS.
This woman is seriously insults my intelligence.
November 1st, 2008 at 5:12 pmHA! I transposed insult into ins lut and am currently awaiting moderation.
November 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pmonly in your mind scarah, only in your mind…sounds like kristols been sharing his meth these days..
November 1st, 2008 at 5:19 pmPalin was on the stump reciting the $120k line. Good thing no one that matters is listening to her.
November 1st, 2008 at 5:27 pmThat is so last year, dearling, we are now at war with Eastasia, not Eurasia
November 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm
We have, indeed, ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia...
November 1st, 2008 at 5:29 pmIt does make one wonder if Flippy and Chippy have decided that attacking Iran is a good way to “test them” before “they test McSpin”.
November 1st, 2008 at 5:31 pmWhy is that child dressed up like a Princess? Can anyone answer that?
Maybe for Halloween.
November 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm.
This was a Halloween interview…
… And it sure was a scary one!!
.
November 1st, 2008 at 5:34 pmwhat does lipstick have to do with pygmalion?
what does iran have to do with iraq and syria?
sorry folks, but My Fair Lady here has just spilled the beans.
we are at war with both syria and iran… the problem is that the current administration knows that it has ZERO credibility and so you get ZERO opportunity offer your dissent. or do YOU simpletons really think there are little dotted lines in the sand that prevent us from engaging “enemy combatants” in either of these nations?
the iraq war is part of a larger agenda.
this war on terrorism is bogus.
November 1st, 2008 at 5:37 pmIf this doesn’t make Republicans know they have a serious problem let’s look at VP Sarah’s statements. First she wants to bomb Russia not realizing the Russia/Georgian conflict was started by Georgia. Now she including Iran as a War. Any American who votes for Sarah as VP deserves what they get. Russia and Iran Leaders are laughing at who the US picks as Leaders. Sarah Palin is a complete embarrassment to every single American, and pray for her kids they will truely need help.
November 1st, 2008 at 5:39 pmOT, but HILARIOUS!!
Sarah Palin punked by a couple radio DJs pretending to be French President Sarkozy.
November 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pmEnnuiDivine, Livni failed to pull together a coalition. Israel is suspending the Knesset and set elections for February 19th, I may be off on the exact date.
P.M. Ehud Olmert heads the government until a new Prime Minister is elected.
November 1st, 2008 at 5:47 pm>Remmember the prediction that the election
>is rigged to give McCain a 51.4 % victory!
Anyone who tries to put an exact percentage on either
a) an exact margin of victory or b) the percentage by
which cheating will be able to alter that, is an idiot and
doesnt understand the first thing about election fraud.
I wouldnt pay much attention. cheating is by no means an exact science.
Is IS true that electronic voting fraud and voter supression (direct and indirect, like deliberately not having enough
November 1st, 2008 at 5:47 pmvoting machines at minority pollin places) will give the republicans an unfair advantage, but that advantage only varies from about a 3 to 6 percent margin per state…whether that states government is dem or republican is a BIG variable.
Obama looks at this point to have a cheat-proof margin in some
critical states…
also, lets remember, its only electoral votes that count..diebold could give every E-vote in texas to mccain and it still wouldnt help him win..
We’re at war with nearly every country in the world in the twisted mind of McPalin.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/
November 1st, 2008 at 6:04 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
Oh my gawd….she’s such a f**king idiot. She should be deported.
November 1st, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Who’d want her? :-D
November 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pmWhere are the Goths, Vandals, and Barbarians to invade this ridiculous empire America that puts forward an empty screeching female as a potential leader ?
signed -
Calpurinus 463 AD
November 1st, 2008 at 6:06 pmIf Palin thinks a war with Iran will help the economy she is sadly mistaken.
November 1st, 2008 at 6:07 pmChocolate Jesus,
You are absolutely correct in what you say, BUT (and there is always a “but”) the point is you should not have to say it. For the last eight years this Country has been through an ordeal specifically prohibited by our Constitution. The Constitution was designed, and has functioned for over 200 years, as a guide to HONEST AMERICANS on how to conduct the Country’s business. It is a shame that this noble Country has come to the point that all honest Citizens–just look at the pictures of the lines for EARLY voting—must rebel against the corrupt…(I am at a loss for words here because nothing in the dictionary defines the vileness, evilness, corruptness, and simply a$$holeness of George WTF and his corporate cronies. The hell with it, just add your own favorite word)______ .
January 20, 2009 will mark the day that your Country and mine again became the World of Dreams not the Grotto of Greed!
November 1st, 2008 at 6:11 pmBush promised the same thing and did not deliver, nor would McCain. In fact the Republican policies that McCain will follow will lead to more bailouts, more deficits and more spending.
November 1st, 2008 at 6:17 pmShe’s so stupid, it hurts.
November 1st, 2008 at 6:19 pmEvery time I see/hear that woman, I am reminded just how stupid the goppers think those that are inclined to vote are. What a slap in the face, especially to women to think the public is going to accept this woman. What are they thinking?… the public is nothing but a bunch of horned out guys and very stupid women?
November 1st, 2008 at 6:33 pm#31 COB
nice poem.
Ray Taliaferro, on kgoradio.com, Mon-Fri 1am-5am pacific, has poetry night about 4 times a year. He is probably due for another poetry night and would certainly like to hear yours. I don’t write poems, but enjoy those that call in or email in theirs whether it be a self made poem or a favorite.
November 1st, 2008 at 6:49 pmI have to admit, Palin is a bit correct when saying we’re at war with Iran. According to Seymour Hersh, we have special forces and CIA personnel in Iran right now, working with the Mujaheddin e-Khalq and other opposition/terrorist groups to destabilize the Iranian government.
Now that’s not an officially declared war or anything, but since when has this president needed that?
November 1st, 2008 at 7:08 pmhad enough Says:
What are they thinking?… the public is nothing but a bunch of horned out guys and very stupid women?
November 1st, 2008 at 6:33 pm
______
I know! Why must Republicans assume that we’re all just like them?
November 1st, 2008 at 7:10 pmShe’s just confused. Y’know, all those Jewishy countries sound alike — Ira Q, Ira N. The point is, we need to get mavericky on their butts and bring them to Jesus.
November 1st, 2008 at 7:19 pmAnother OT:
Bible Spice might be stupid but, she would have to be lobotomized to match Victoria Jackson.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/01/victoria-jackson-obama-a_n_139962.html
November 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
Now that’s not an officially declared war or anything, but since when has this president needed that?
___________
I’ve assumed for quite some time that this is what they took the $9 BILLION missing in Iraq for – to fund their own little clandestine war in Iran.
November 1st, 2008 at 7:42 pm>January 20, 2009 will mark the
>day that your Country and mine
> again became the World of Dreams
> not the Grotto of Greed!
Yep, just remember.. NO COMPLACENCY TILL NOV 5th!
knock on a door, make a phone call, VOTE, give an elderly neigbor (hopefully one of the majority voting for obama) a ride to a polling place. VOLUNTEER TO BE A POLL WATCHER!
republican cheating (which you can help stop by being a poll watcher) and democratic complacency because of our current lead are the ONLY things right now that can stop us!
the ONLY things!
the victory is ours is we all work as hard until the end..
we have to carry our passion till nov 5th..
November 1st, 2008 at 7:46 pmMax-1 Says:
.
This was a Halloween interview…
… And it sure was a scary one!!
Yeah it makes it weirder. moosey as the queen. maybe Piper was a “beauty princess.” moosey+5 should stay away from “royalty” references, damn.
mooseymom props her children and her grandson in front of the cameras way too often.
what’s more important ms moosey? Your children, your grandchild and your dude or propping them in from of camera so you can get reimbursed? Get a hint, Piper will be the first to rat your lying ass out. HAHAHAHA
Loser User.
I saw a wonderful clip of Sen. Obama walking hand-n-hand with his oldest daughter. Simple, eloquent. That’s love.
I wonder when she has time to give Tig his special needs?
November 1st, 2008 at 8:00 pmSarah Palin continues to refuse to release her medical records. Why?
McCain, Obama and Biden have released their medical records, to varying degrees, but Palin adamantly refuses to divulge anything about her medical history. Why?
I doubt that there would be anything shocking healthwise, so it must be something else she is seeking to hide, something that would paint her as a hypocrite.
Maybe, that she got an abortion?
Just a guess.
But Palin is definitely hiding something from her medical past, and the only thing that makes any sense is that she probably got an abortion in the early 1980s, something that she doesn’t want anyone, especially her fanatical religious fundamentalist anti-abortion followers, finding out about.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pmFox News has put all it’s marbles in the Palin whaling ship, it’s taking on water, soon to be gone forever.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pmThere she goes again telling Iran what we’re going to do before we do it. http://straighttalkonmccain.blogspot.com/
November 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pmPalin has become an ayatollah.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:04 pmChocolate Jesus.
Comment number 63: AMEN, Brother!
Been there! Done that! Are there! Doing that! Will be there. Will get it done!
Congratulations, President Obama! And kudos to all of the little young girls and big old guys that made it happen!
November 1st, 2008 at 10:29 pmhad enough at Comment 57.
Thank you for the tip. I sent it and if he reads it you will get the credit. All I want is your vote for President Obama!
November 1st, 2008 at 10:35 pmDon’t you know that the”End Days” go through the Middle East. Another Doomsday believer in the White House. All Arabs are the enemy to these white supremists.
How come the MSM never brings up The Alaska Independence Party that her husband belongs to, and where she gave the keynote speech to,two years ago?They hate the lower 48 so much, they want their own country or territory. So how much to you think they hate Arabs?
November 2nd, 2008 at 12:08 amThis woman can’t even take care of her little girl’s runny nose and she’s supposed to give us that warm and fuzzy feeling about National Security???
November 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 amGOSH!!!!! She is so dumb! …and unfortunatly dangerous so close to the WH.
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:17 amSimply put, Palin is as insane as McCain, and that ticket would be even worse than Bush-Cheney.
However, the other team is a bit more intelligent and far more slippery.
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13698
This is an amalgam, but true to the spirit of the many pro-Obama missives I’ve received. They express a sentiment that is very widespread, so much so that it doesn’t seem to matter, much, what Obama says he’s going to do, because, in any case, his fans and supporters will simply insist on projecting their own hopes, desires, and views onto him.
Good luck after Tuesday….We are going to need it.
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 amPalin in 2012? Some people are giving her too much credit. True, she is a moderately savvy politician, but she also is blissfully ignorant about the inner-workings of anything beyond the borders of Alaska.
She has the faux folksy charm and lack of intellectual curiosity of George W. Bush and the Machiavellian mindset of Dick Cheney. Do we really want to relive the nightmare of the past 8 years?
Palin does have a skill set that lends itself to a fairly fruitful career in news broadcasting–specifically, she would be great at delivering the weather forecast for a local Alaskan TV station. “Today, Anchorage…….it will be COLD. (Brrrrrrrrr!) Tomorrow, it will be COLDER, doggone it. (Brrrrrrrrrrr!) Back to you, Frank.”
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:43 amWill someone please shut this woman up? I’m so tired of listening to her bullsh*t.
November 2nd, 2008 at 1:03 pmAny new off the mark statements made by Sarah Palin should not be surprising by this time. She has been very consistent in demonstrating her extrodinary inability to understand world affairs. She has also confirmed John McCains poor judgement in choosing some one like her as a VP candidate. I think we are witnessing the rise and fall of the repulican party empire. Thank goodness for OBAMA.
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:10 pmMacCaine/Bush/MacCaine/Bush/MacCaine/Bush/MacCaine/Bush/MacCaine/Bush/MacCaine/Bush/MacCaine/Bush/MacCaine/Bush/MacCaine/Bush/MacCaine/Bush/MacCaine/Bush/MacCaine/Bush/Chenney.
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:48 pmSame crap!
Ya think Barbie’s medical records might show (obviously unsuccessful) treatment for her delusions of grandeur and pathological lying?
Or maybe a pill problem like her pal Cindy.
November 2nd, 2008 at 3:09 pmCaribou Babie just figured it out that we are at war with Iran?? Where has she been the past several years?
Here’s part of an email from an academic in Basrah, Iraq—
2-22-06:
“We are safe till now. We live day by day. The British troops at last wake up. I wonder if they have a chance to achieve things. They left Basrah so long to be very dangerous even to them. BASRAH IT WILL BE THE BATTLEPLACE WITH IRAN [my emphasis]. God bless and save us. After the British caught several police men the wave of killing stopped—hope forever. BUT EVERY PERSON KNOWS EVERY MONTH NEW LIST OF NAMES TO BE KILLED COME FROM IRAN [my emphasis]
So who knows better??
November 2nd, 2008 at 4:50 pmSTUPID IS, AS STUPID DOES!!!!!!!!
November 2nd, 2008 at 9:21 pmHer face shows fear – the kind criminals have. I also suspect she is on drugs.
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:45 pmRegarding us being at war with Iran, this just may the only case where Sarah Palin might know more than the rest of us “regular folks”…
November 2nd, 2008 at 11:12 pm