consitution of the
New England Confederation
May 19, 1643

“Whereas we all came to these parts of America with the same end and aim,
namely, to advance the kingdome of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to injoy the
liberties of the Gospell thereof with purities and
peace, and for preserving and propogating the truth and
liberties of the gospell…”

Articles of Confederation of the United colonies of New England,
The (Online). (1643, May 19). The Avalon Project at Yale Law School.

We still are. As bit has said previously, and several times, the Constitution of the U.S. was not written to support, endorse, promote, or allow immorality. These words from the Articles of Confederation… seem to support bit’s assertion.

The last Adams quote was from a speech
delivered to military officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts on October 11, 1798.

Adams made this speech abuot a year after the Treaty of Tripoli was signed.

widipedia.org

The treaty was signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796 and at Algiers (for a third-party witness) on January 3, 1797, finally receiving ratification from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797 and signed by President John Adams on June 10, 1797.

Treaties, or laws, don’t necessarily reflect the personal opinions of those who sign them.

This is also true of the RvW ruling. This ruling doesn’t reflect the views of many who live in this nation.

The quote and the treaty were not all Adams had to say:

John Adams played a central role in the birth of our nation, as evidenced by a string of significant participatory activities, including delegate to the Continental Congress (1774-1777) where he signed the Declaration of Independence, signer of the peace treaty that ended the American Revolution (1783), two-time Vice-President under George Washington (1789-1797), and second President of the United States (1797-1801). Yet, Adams’ sentiments regarding Paine’s writing were, to say the least, blunt: “The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity, let the Blackguard Paine say what he will” (3:421, 1856). “Blackguard” was an 18th century term for a thoroughly unprincipled person—a scoundrel.

Quoted from:
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/650
which references:
Adams, John (1856), The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, ed. Charles Adams (Boston, MA: Little, Brown, & Co.).

In addition, the founders want the government to be influenced by Christianity, but not be a particular sect of Christianity. This is obvious from those who prepared the First Amendment.

dbadass Says:

didn’t J. Adams say…
“When philosophic reason is clear and certain by intuition or necessary induction, no subsequent revelation supported by prophecies or miracles can supersede it.”
November 5th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

bit can’t seen how the reasoning behind the practice of destroying the pre-born and behind the practice of same-same gender marriage can be twisted, folded, pounded, or crushed to fit the logic of this quote.

bit will assume that you believe you have quoted an accurate statement from John Adams.

Since this quote seems to be a remark on the reasoning process, it seems to bit to need an object. What is dbadass suggesting would be the “…clear and certain…” conclusion of philosophic reason and intuition? Adams could have been training his children to raise stock with this remark.

In any case, does the logic contained in your Adams’ quote confirm or deny the logic contained in bit’s Adams quote?

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion…. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other

IOW, is there some reason both statements can’t be true?

The last Adams quote was from a speech
delivered to military officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts on October 11, 1798.

…assume that there is no other possible source for a responsible moral code…

Seems like now would be the perfect time to say what the other possible source(s) for a responsible moral code might be.

So, what would it be?

If you read bit you of course know this John Adams quote:

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion…. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other

So, let’s have a little test about what we think Adams meant when he said “religion.”

Chose one of the following: John Adams meant _____________ when he used the word “religion” in the above quote.
1) Christianity
2) Judaism
3) Islam
4) Hinduism
5) Buddhism
6) Wicca
7) http://www.charactercounts.com
8) big men with really big guns
9) add you own choice
10) scientific theories
11) paganism

You might also want to remember the beginning verses from Jeremiah 23:
Run to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem,
look and take note!
Search her squares to see
if you can find a man,
one who does justice
and seeks truth;
that I may pardon her.

Which of the eleven worldviews in the list above has the best shot at insuring justice and truth? Actually, which of the eleven worldviews is even interested in insuringjustice and truth? Further, which of the eleven worldviews has provided you with the life you live?

If bit’s memory is correct the Old Testament has an account that goes like this:
There was no King in the land. (Apparently the King was suppose to keep order.)
Everyone did what was right in their own eyes, and as a result, chaos ensued.

Most curious, this narrow view of the source of human morality.
So, that’s the source of human morality?

Trollstabbing is a moral imperative

As for evidence, as Creationists are so fond of saying, it’s all around you. From the receding galaxies to a single atom. One can actually listen to the background roar of the Big Bang. Of course, the evidence demands a bit of work to comprehend and there’s always an error factor.

You’re not really getting under his skin. Sorry.

Jonathan111 Says:
So, Pete, when did Science actually prove this big bang thing? You know, it’s funny, everyone takes what scientests say to be fact. Until, of course, the scientists themselves discover that they were wrong all along. God is the only thing that rings true throughout the ages.

Exactly. Just ask those who were persecuted under the Spanish Inquisition. THEY certainly heard the ring of truth in God. Once they were “convinced” of the error of their ways, that is.

And the truth-ringing of the Salem witch trials — how about that, huh? There was some serious truth-ringing.

And the “conversion” of the ignorant savages in Africa and the Americas throughout history. Sure, some of ‘em were sold as slaves, but the Bible says that’s cool, so that’s just more evidence of God ringing true throughout the ages.

Yep. God is the only thing that rings true throughout the ages. Gotta agree with ya there.