Conservatives Who Slammed Obama For Being A Socialist Now Say He Ran A ‘Center-Right’ Campaign
Conservatives Who Slammed Obama For Being A Socialist Now Say He Ran A ‘Center-Right’ Campaign
Not only did Barack Obama win the presidency yesterday, but progressives picked up significant victories in the House, Senate, state, and local races. Nevertheless, pundits this morning continued to insist that the country remains “center right”:
GOP STRATEGIST BAY BUCHANAN: There’s no question in my mind [the United States is still a center-right country].
NBC’S TOM BROKAW: This country, even with the election of Barack Obama last night, remains a very centered country, or maybe even center right in a lot of places.
KARL ROVE: Barack Obama understands this is a center-right country and he smartly and wisely ran a campaign that emphasized it.
Watch a compilation:
For the past eight years, President Bush has been trying to run a right-wing country. Yesterday was a clear repudiation of Bush’s vision. In yesterday’s exit polls, 75 percent of respondents said that this country was going in the wrong direction and voted for a change.
Obama did not run as a center-right candidate. In fact, he “ran on the most progressive platform of any presidential candidate in at least 15 years.” According to a recent Pew poll, a majority of voters said that they viewed Obama as “liberal.”
Rove, in particular, has been consistently hammering Obama for being too liberal. “Nonpartisan ratings say that he has a more liberal and a more straight-party voting record than Senator Clinton does,” quipped Rove back in January. “Pretty hard to do.” Rove has also said that Obama’s policies were “anti-business” and “almost Marxian.”
Read more on the myth of the center-right nation by David Sirota, Paul Waldman, and Media Matters.
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Well TP , you could have chosen those a bit less partisan (and a lor more intelligent) than the 3 Stooges you named above ............
November 5th, 2008 at 12:28 pm*lot*
November 5th, 2008 at 12:28 pmSo, which is it?
A socialist-communist platform or centrist-right?
or
A black-separatist Christian church or a Muslim?
These reich-wing nuts can't ever make up their minds.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:29 pmOh, what a difference a day makes. Obama has gone from a Marxist to the choice of a center-right nation.
Do these idiots honestly believe nobody is keeping track of their blatherings?
November 5th, 2008 at 12:31 pmI like watching Righties struggle to retain relevance.
It's entertainment I can believe in.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:32 pmConservatives Who Slammed Obama For Being A Socialist Now Say He Ran A ‘Center-Right’ Campaign»
- - I think they're right. But the GOP is no longer a center-right party. It's a fringe religious, Dixie-based, big government machine, that relies on fear of others to win elections. And so it lost in a center-right country. And a center-left candidate beat them.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:33 pmHarsh! He went from being a terrorist to a communist to a republican. What's left?
November 5th, 2008 at 12:34 pmThere are now 3 certainties in life :
1)Death
2)Taxes
3)The most stupid and entertaining shit , spewed by the GOP and their imbecilic backers
November 5th, 2008 at 12:34 pmCenter-Right my a$$... The Republicans will say and do anything, ANYTHING, to take credit for another's labour... Just like Wall Street making a buck off another man's sweat...
The WORLD just changed right before their eyes, and they're acting today as if nothing has really changed and Obama was one of them all along!
November 5th, 2008 at 12:35 pm"For the past eight years, President Bush has been trying to run a right-wing country."
That's a joke...right TP? Bush has been on the right as far as national security and taxes, but as far as being conservative on spending and "big government" he was more liberal than BJ Clinton.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:35 pmTracy__5 Says:
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“For the past eight years, President Bush has been trying to run a right-wing country.”
That’s a joke…right TP? Bush has been on the right as far as national security and taxes, but as far as being conservative on spending and “big government” he was more liberal than BJ Clinton.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Hey dipshit
"Spending" is not a liberal/progressive trait ; can you even name 1 Republican who hasn't spent taxpayer $'s outrageously over the past 30 or 40 years ?
You can't........
November 5th, 2008 at 12:37 pm.
Gawd I love the interwebs tubes. They capture all sorts of silly stuff... NO?
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November 5th, 2008 at 12:38 pmTracy__5 Says:
That’s a joke…right TP? Bush has been on the right as far as national security and taxes, but as far as being conservative on spending and “big government” he was more liberal than BJ Clinton.
So Tracy, are you going to reach across the aisle and work with us, or are you going to watch more presidents pass you by in continuing to spew about Clinton?
November 5th, 2008 at 12:43 pmThe only person in the business where I work that is a Repukian isn't talking to anyone today...I put up a huge picture of Nelson Munze on my big screen with a large.."HA-HA!".
His head just about exploded when he saw it.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:43 pm.
What Tracy_____troll5 meant was:
No argument from me on that one.
THE MOST bloated Government... EVER!
I would add, criminal to the list, too.
But T.Troll5, what does Clinton have to do with how Bush ran America into the ground?
GET OVER IT!!!
November 5th, 2008 at 12:45 pmYour Fascist loving friends LOST!
These right wing dope pundits may have a point; when you look at the seating chart of the House and Senate, the Blue seats go way over to the right.
¶ AIO
November 5th, 2008 at 12:48 pmTracy__5 Says: more of the same garbage... blah, blah, blah....
There is a joy that republican/neocon/christian theocrats seem to receive in using vague, meaningless catch-phrases or words. Strangely, the definitions seem to morph as circumstances require (which is what makes them meaningless).
Please, if you can, define (or link to a definition) "Big Government" in a meaningful and practical way, so that we can be certain we are discussing the same topic.
As far as excessive spending being a "liberal" activity -- examples?
November 5th, 2008 at 12:49 pmMeanwhile, Limpballs is coming totally unhinged on his rant-fest today. He's his usual ungracious, petulant, bombastic, pathetic self.
I was curious about one thing, though. I really did think that his voice would be a couple octaves higher today now that he has been castrated . . . but, alas, he sounds just the same.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:50 pmraygun was a conservative.....biggest spender before bush....you just can't win can ya.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:50 pmTracy, either say something of substance or slink away to redstate. You are not entitled to post here.
I cast my ballot to turn Virginia blue.
We stuck the fork in the GOP.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:52 pmGod here it comes, the "Bush is a secret liberal meme"
Jesu
November 5th, 2008 at 12:52 pmFecking
Christo.
Tracy's brand of conservatism means gutting social programs to pay for wars.
The same amount, if not more, money is spent and we get nothing for it (unless you're in the oil or weapons business)
November 5th, 2008 at 12:53 pmWhatever it takes to nurse a damaged ego.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:55 pmI was wondering when we would get the "It's Clinton's fault that Obama won" troll droppings....
November 5th, 2008 at 12:55 pmLet em babble. The proof is in the policy, the success of the policy and public reaction to the policy. The voters mandated change. How well Obama governs will determine what direction we go. The words of political hacks and has been pundits means nothing.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:56 pmMCMETAL, why so angry today? HOPE!
November 5th, 2008 at 12:57 pm...Tom Brokaw is a conservative??
November 5th, 2008 at 12:57 pmrove.....Obama is a marxist centrist....heh.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:57 pmIf issues like fair wages, tax cuts for the middle class, healthcare for all and get out of Iraq are right of center issues, then I guess that's where we are. We all know better. If they don't want to see it, too bad so sad for them.
Their world has changed it for them it will not be for the better. Our world has changed and for us I am sure it will be for the better.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:59 pmTracy - Hey buddy - How ya been?
NEENER NEENER NEENER
GET OVER IT!!!!!
November 5th, 2008 at 1:00 pm#Guido the Loving OBGYN Says:
He voted center-right. And he will continue to do so.
FISA anyone?
Obama has his work cut out for him.
Hey Guido, why don't you STFU. At least let us enjoy one day without your constant harping about Obama. Yes he did vote for the FISA bill and that disappointed a bunch of us. But we are choosing not to judge him on that one vote. I, for one, believe that he will make FISA right and that he is going to do the things he said he would do.
So, how about you give him a chance to prove you right or wrong before you mouth off?
November 5th, 2008 at 1:03 pmDidHeJustSayThat Says:
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MCMETAL, why so angry today? HOPE!
November 5th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
"Hope" doesn't turn liars like Tracy into honest men.
"Hope" doesn't remove ignorance.
"Hope" doesn't enlighten GOP backers/tools/stooges(obviously).
Just because Obama was victorious , doesn't mean that everything is perfect ; not even close.............
November 5th, 2008 at 1:03 pmSpin, Spin, Spin, Spin, Spin, Spin, Spin, .... wheeeeeeee!!!!
November 5th, 2008 at 1:03 pmSee the thing is Twacy, the Republican party and conservatism in general has ceased to be about lower spending etc. They spend much more than any liberal would and they spend on things that don't give the people a return on investment: intractable wars, tax cuts for the rich, no bid contracts to war profiteers, subsidies to businesses and industries that send our jobs overseas...
Liberals like to spend a lot, sure, but we spend it on things the country actually needs, and on things that return our investment in ways that worth more than the money put into it.
Try again.
Also notice you left out any mention of Bush on SOCIAL policy...why is that exactly?
November 5th, 2008 at 1:03 pmWhat about the wingnuts favorite bleat.."Elections have consequences!!!
November 5th, 2008 at 1:04 pmTracy__5 Says:
T5 - in case no one has told you, I will. You became irrelevant last night so buzz off.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:08 pmI get it now... Bush is a liberal and Obama is "center-right"...
I think I've seen this before...
oh yeah -- the "Kennedy was conservative and Nixon was liberal" gambit.
Nice try, Tracist.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:09 pmTracy__5 Says
November 5th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Bush has been on the right as far as national security and taxes, but as far as being conservative on spending and “big government” he was more liberal than BJ Clinton.
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Hmmm...I notice that you waited until AFTER the election to trash Bushco. Any special reason for that, or is it just coincidence?
Just FYI, spending billions of money you don't have on waging ill-advised wars and attempting to pay for it with tax cuts for the rich is a recipe for skyrocketing debt, indebtedness to foreign nations, and devaluation of the dollar. Nothing about all that is "liberal" -- nothing.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:09 pmGod I love this. I hope they keep this up. they'll never hold significant elective office, or majorities, ever again.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:10 pmM A N D A T E
Reichwingers -- suck it up. Eat crow.
America: love it or leave it.
I am not compelled by dogma to forgive those who supported the efforts to destroy our contry. I am willing to work with all other Americans to rebuild our infrastructure, our sense of law, our sense of morals, our love of the Constitution, and all the other things the Reichwingers and neocons have worked so hard to destroy. I am not willing to embrace the "party-first" types who remain locked in their anti-American partizan politics. And the Republican party, as it has become, is a hateful party that does not deserve to be considered a majority party. They are on even keel with the American nazi Party. Just because it is a political party does not mean that i have to accept that it is beneficial to America. Some political parties should not exist.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:15 pmWhat is with all these calls now for 'bi-partisanship' ? Where in the hell were those calls during the last 8 years , especially when Chimpy the retarded Wonder Monkey claimed a "mandate" and a non-existent "political capital" based upon his stealing a 2nd consecutive election ?
Even the comments from the 3 imbeciles this thread is based upon are a subtle insinuation towards that ; fu(k that.
Anyone that had any vested interest and/or indeed aided Chimpy get selected to the Oval Office (as Brayingjackass Buchanan and Turd Blossom both did) , has zero credibility and shouldn't even be allowed to comment , much less make some sort of demand or prediction...............
November 5th, 2008 at 1:18 pmI made such a comment last night at an election party:
"They're saying he's center right, after calling him Marxist, Communist, and Socialist?"
Prima Facie evidence that pundits lie. None should be invited back.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:24 pmA CNBC talking head called "the end of the Obama Presidency" (negative economic impact), when it hasn't yet started.
What a putz...
November 5th, 2008 at 1:34 pmI think the right has reversed course on the "socialism" meme because it backfired so badly.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:38 pmHouse Speaker Pelosi said that Obama "should govern from the middle for all Americans."
Smart lady: she knows that tilting to the far left will alienate the vast majority of American voters as it did in the first two years of the Clinton Administration. Don't repeat history and pander to the left!
November 5th, 2008 at 1:42 pmWell actually, in order to maintain a sense of balance and bring America BACK to the center, Obama would be FORCED to go the extreme left since we've had damn near fascism for the last 8 years we've tilted so far right.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:46 pmP.S. Pelosi is a useless twit and should be removed as speaker of the house and replaced with someone else.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:47 pmA wingnut troll quoting Nancy Pelosi approvingly?
She's a "smart lady"? Whatever happened to those "San Francisco Values™"?
November 5th, 2008 at 1:47 pmI don't recall when the last truly fiscally conservative repub sat in the White House. The modern repub credo: "Spend it to death".
November 5th, 2008 at 1:48 pmSo, I'm not advocating for this...but weren't all dissenters branded as something akin to "friends of terrorists" during the last 8 years? I believe it was something along the lines of "If you're not with us, you're against us?"
I don't expect the Dems to start spouting that line, BUT I do seem to be hearing a lot of pouty-taking-my-toys-home-cause-you're-a-doody-head rhetoric (if you can call it that) out of the sore loser trolls and talking heads.
So, are you with us?
November 5th, 2008 at 1:52 pmTracy__5 Says:
Bush has been on the right as far as national security and taxes, but as far as being conservative on spending and “big government” he was more liberal than BJ Clinton.
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I think you misspoke here... you meant to say, "but as far as being conservative on spending & "big goverment", he was utterly corrupt and incompetent to a degree that actually makes Reagan look good".
There, makes SOOOOOOOOO much more sense now, huh?
You can thank me later.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:53 pmThis doesn't surprise me. They couldn't make up their mind about whether he was the crazy Christian fundamentalist that went to Rev. Wright's church, or a practicing Muslim.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:56 pmtom Says:
I really did think that [Limbaugh's] voice would be a couple octaves higher today now that he has been castrated . . . but, alas, he sounds just the same.
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That's because there was nothing there to cut off. They withered away YEARS ago due to diet, drug use, and lack of any REAL use.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:57 pmJT Says:
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House Speaker Pelosi said that Obama “should govern from the middle for all Americans.”
Smart lady: she knows that tilting to the far left will alienate the vast majority of American voters as it did in the first two years of the Clinton Administration. Don’t repeat history and pander to the left!
November 5th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
"Smart ladies" do not take impeachment off the table when it comes to the most criminal administration in US history , zippy.
BTW
Impeachment is not something that the Speaker of the House has the power to take anywhere , much less "off the table" ; she's as guilty in her negligence of her sworn oath to protect and defend the Constitution as the entire Chimpy administration is ....
November 5th, 2008 at 1:57 pmThey must be talking about the non-likely voters. It's still a center-left country and has been for a long time. We just repossed it after it was hijacked by the lunatic fringe of the far right for nearly a decade.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:15 pm#12
“Spending” is not a liberal/progressive trait ;"
Yes it is when it comes to spending on things not mandated by the U.S. Constitution. Explain where military spending is not mandated then you might have an good argument.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:26 pm#14
"So Tracy, are you going to reach across the aisle and work with us..."
As long as Obama governs the way Clinton does, i.e. from the center he isn't going to have any problems. We will see if his ego gets in the way.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:29 pm#18
"As far as excessive spending being a “liberal” activity — examples?"
A trillion in NEW spending?.....
November 5th, 2008 at 2:32 pm#20
"raygun was a conservative…..biggest spender before bush….you just can’t win can ya."
Defense spending is mandated by the U.S. Constitution. You guys sure like to stretch that "promote the general welfare" idea for every aspect of American's lives.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:34 pm#21
"Tracy, either say something of substance or slink away to redstate. You are not entitled to post here."
Neither are you but you do it anyway...right?
November 5th, 2008 at 2:34 pm#23
"Tracy’s brand of conservatism means gutting social programs to pay for wars."
No I just think that the U.S. federal government does more and control more than it should. Much of it needs to be moved down to the state and local levels.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:35 pmRove... your expiration date has passed.
Stop listening to this gas bag! Ignore Fox news, and its minions. What the hell have they to offer?
Irrelevancy.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:42 pm#35
"See the thing is Twacy, the Republican party and conservatism in general has ceased to be about lower spending etc."
Quick fix for you...the Republican party has ceased to be conservative.
"Liberals like to spend a lot, sure, but we spend it on things the country actually needs..."
You seem to be suggesting that liberals don't waste money on inefficient programs and entitlements. Social security for one is a crap return on the investment....compared to what individuals could do with it. What about letting individuals opt out of paying into SS....oh wait, the SS "lock box" is a fantasy.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:43 pm#37
"T5 - in case no one has told you, I will. You became irrelevant last night so buzz off."
Make sure you get TP to enforce that one for you....alright?
November 5th, 2008 at 2:45 pm#38
"I get it now… Bush is a liberal and Obama is “center-right”…"
No Bush was center right and Obama campaigned on things he will never be able to deliver on....unless he lowers that tax cut off to say $70k per year.
BTW didn't you guys also say that in 2006 things were going to change?
November 5th, 2008 at 2:49 pmNo, it isn't. If you insist on trying to impose your simplistic right-wing stereotypes on reality, we will have no choice but to continue to view you as an amusingly dim-witted plaything.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:49 pmYou didn't answer the question.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:50 pmIOKIYAR. We get it.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:51 pm#39
"Hmmm…I notice that you waited until AFTER the election to trash Bushco. Any special reason for that, or is it just coincidence?"
I have criticized Bush for his spending spree for many years now. Where have you been?
November 5th, 2008 at 2:51 pmCan you please try to make at least one coherent argument per comment, Trace? I know, I know... you don't "do" coherent. But please, for the sake of this new era of bipartisanship... try.
(By the way, Trace, Social Security has provided a greater return on investment than the DJI has over the past eight years. And the "lock box" is a fantasy because Bush decided it was a fantasy.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:55 pm#67
"No, it isn’t."
Explain where in the U.S. Constitution that providing for the common defense is not explicitly stated?....or are you suggesting that we could do it with sticks and rocks?
November 5th, 2008 at 2:56 pmAgain, Trace, try to work on that "coherent" thing, okay?
"Bush was center-right"? You just said he was "more liberal than BJ Clinton". Oh, wait -- NOW I get it. When Bush does something you don't like, he's being "liberal". Geez, that must make things really easy on you.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:58 pm#68
"You didn’t answer the question."
The answer is yes and as I said as long as Obama governs from the center the way Clinton did he won't have any problems.
Why do you insist, like Obama, the preconditions are not necessary?
November 5th, 2008 at 2:59 pm#69
"IOKIYAR. We get it."
I still don't think you do.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:00 pmTracy__5 Says:
#21
Neither are you but you do it anyway…right?
Since progressivism is my forte, I choose to post here. If this place is so frustrating for you, go to redstate or another deep-south website.
You have no standing to intimidate anyone here. You are in the deep minority. You do not control the direction of governance in this country. You are in the minority. With the power of my vote, I, along with others TPers from Virginia, turned the state blue. Florida, Indiana, Ohio, and possibly North Carolina, were also fair game.
You're going to be left behind as you stick to your radicalism. It's a fact.
Oh, and did I mention? You are in the deep minority. You don't have the right of way because you can do nothing right.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:01 pmJeezus, Tracy, starting already with the stupid? Obama's barely been president-elect for twelve hours.
When I said "No it isn't" that was in rebuttal to your "Yes it is". Most sixth-graders could figure that out with an elementary grounding in reading comprehension.
I know, I know.. not your strong suit. You're much better with righteous indignation and simplistic generalization.
Anyway, to clarify things for you, missmolly said:
Just FYI, spending billions of money you don’t have on waging ill-advised wars and attempting to pay for it with tax cuts for the rich is a recipe for skyrocketing debt, indebtedness to foreign nations, and devaluation of the dollar. Nothing about all that is “liberal” — nothing.
Your reply was simply, "Yes it is".
I was rebutting your vacuous argument and reaffirming missmolly's.
I guess you can't be judged too harshly for this foolish assessment. You know nothing about what liberalism really is, and missmolly does.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:04 pmWhich only reaffirms my confidence in my understanding.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:05 pmWhat preconditions are you talking about? And necessary for what, exactly?
November 5th, 2008 at 3:06 pmTracist is still pretending to be in the right after he was buried under a pile of rocks.
A return of Clintonism was rejected in the primaries.
Never in my life have I seen a clump of idiots going to any length to hold on to power. The FDA should require the appropriate safely labels on the GOP.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:06 pmTracy__5 Says:
Why do you insist, like Obama, the preconditions are not necessary?
Because you can't get something for nothing out of an adversary. Why, therefore, would that leader need to create an incentive for an arrangement he may not want?
You throw the word "precondition" around, as if you have a knack for foreign policy. The results of the last eight years prove otherwise.
McCain's airheaded running mate couldn't even define a precondition.
Who are you talking to?
November 5th, 2008 at 3:14 pmObama's win demonstrates a sweeping victory for the Republican Party. Or something.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:15 pmYeah, crap. Next thing you know, the wingnuts will claim it was all their idea in the first place.
*eyeroll*
November 5th, 2008 at 3:23 pm#71
"(By the way, Trace, Social Security has provided a greater return on investment than the DJI has over the past eight years."
Oh that just terrible because I don't know when you decided to start working and paying into SS but for me it's been and will be quite few more years in which I will be paying in unfortunately. BTW the return from private market in general over the last 70+ years puts the government's crap interest rate for SS return to shame, so for you to mention the last 8 is irrelevant especially in the future when the government starts trying to pay out more benefits with less money comming in because of a smaller work force.
"And the “lock box” is a fantasy because Bush decided it was a fantasy."
The "lock box" has ALWAYS been a fantasy. Do you actually think that all of the money collected from people's paychecks has ever been put out of reach of the general fund which those in Washington take from every year and slip and IOU in?
November 5th, 2008 at 3:27 pmTracy__5 Says:
“For the past eight years, President Bush has been trying to run a right-wing country.”
That’s a joke…right TP? Bush has been on the right as far as national security and taxes, but as far as being conservative on spending and “big government” he was more liberal than BJ Clinton.
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As usual Tracy you are completely CLUELESS. You act like just spending a lot itself makes Bush liberal when anyone with a normal IQ would see that it is about WHAT YOU SPEND THE MONEY ON. Bush had rightwing spending priorities. He didnt spend money on the poor. He spent it on corporate wellfare, and an immoral war. You NEVER know what you are talking about and your posts are consistantly idiotic
November 5th, 2008 at 3:29 pmTracy__5 Says:
Yes it is when it comes to spending on things not mandated by the U.S. Constitution. Explain where military spending is not mandated then you might have an good argument.
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How would you know? You wouldnt know a good argument if it kicked down your door sat at your breakfast table and ate your cornflakes. Promoting the General wellfare IS mandated in the preamble to the Constitution and it isnt up to YOU to decide what that is. Your attempt at a point wasnt just weak it was idiotic
November 5th, 2008 at 3:37 pmIt's kinda fun to wind up Tracist and watch him spin.
That dude can get a lot of spin out of precious little learnin'.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:38 pm#73
"“Bush was center-right”? You just said he was “more liberal than BJ Clinton”."
Just slightly as far as domestic and fiscal policy is concerned.
"When Bush does something you don’t like, he’s being “liberal"
Now you get it. You are starting to sharpen up. More government spending is a liberal trait.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:42 pmTracy__5 Says:
“raygun was a conservative…..biggest spender before bush….you just can’t win can ya.”
Defense spending is mandated by the U.S. Constitution. You guys sure like to stretch that “promote the general welfare” idea for every aspect of American’s lives.
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And you warmongers like to shrink it down till its just about killing brown people everywhere. You really dont have a clue. How much did we spend on Rural Electrification? The Highway system? And HOW MUCH DID IT SPUR OUR ECONOMY? Your shortsighted kill browny and shovel money to the rich mentality is what has KILLED OUR ECONOMY. It is time to invest in America and reap the benfits down the road. You Ebeneezer Scrooge loving Conservatives PRETEND to love America but NEVER want to invest in it. Your economic philosophies are the Dodo bird. They have brought on stagnation and fiscal catastrophes. You are too dim to get the concept so just get out of the way and let smarter people fix all the problems your selfishness and greed have caused.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:43 pmI believe we had a bet didn't we Tracy sweety? If your guy won I was going to contribute $1,000 to the hate group of your choice and if I won, you were going to fork over $1,000 to The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence? Well, the sisters are getting antsy, cause your guy got his ass kicked.
Pony up beeotch.
I brought a cup of loose change into the office today and left it out for all the right wing losers. One asked me what that was for.
"For whenever you are ready for change, it's right here for you." They laughed. On the outside.
I see an absence of anger though, more of a shrug of shoulders. I think that Obama had more support, even from the haters, than they will ever admit to.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:47 pm#76
"If this place is so frustrating for you, go to redstate or another deep-south website"
It's not frustrating in the least. BTW if you think I am so irrelevant quit responding.
The only thing
November 5th, 2008 at 3:47 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
I gotta say Ralph you spank the challenged Tracey unmercifully and with with and style. He is truly outmatched good job
November 5th, 2008 at 3:49 pm#77
Anyway, to clarify things for you, missmolly said:"
"I was rebutting your vacuous argument and reaffirming missmolly’s."
I am glad you understood what missmolly said because my rebuttal of "No it isn't" was for MCMetal...
"“Spending” is not a liberal/progressive trait ; can you even name 1 Republican who hasn’t spent taxpayer $’s outrageously over the past 30 or 40 years ?
You can’t……..
November 5th, 2008 at 12:37 pm"
Pay attention to who and what exactly you are rebutting.
November 5th, 2008 at 4:01 pmAwwwww, poor widdle Twacy!
Is the widdy booboo having a bad day?
*snicker*
November 5th, 2008 at 4:04 pm#79
"What preconditions are you talking about?"
That as long as Obama governs from the center he won't have any problems. If Obama right off the bat starts to try and govern from the left he is doomed.
November 5th, 2008 at 4:22 pmMore government spending is a liberal trait.
Wasteful government spending (on illegal wars, on bailing out corporations ruined by greed, on defense systems that have failed to show any signs of ever working, on suppressing the rights of legal voters to vote) is a conservative trait.
November 5th, 2008 at 4:28 pmEat guano Tracy. Your POS loser gets barely over 50% of the vote in 2004 and he has a "mandate" and a whole bucket of political capital to spend. Obama kicks ass and takes names and you warn him that he'd better govern from the center?
As I said, eat guano little twatster.
Read the writing on the wall, we are a left of center country and will get increasingly so as more and more of the old school racists and haters die off and are replaced with younger, more tolerant and (GASP!) more liberal voters.
November 5th, 2008 at 4:31 pm"Never in my life have I seen a clump of idiots going to any length to hold on to power."
You actually think that we are going to let you guys turn our country into Europe?
November 5th, 2008 at 4:41 pm#81
"Because you can’t get something for nothing out of an adversary. Why, therefore, would that leader need to create an incentive for an arrangement he may not want?"
Considering that leader, in this case Obama will have to reach across the asile to get things done and considering he promised to do so...he will have to compromise.
November 5th, 2008 at 4:47 pm#86
"Promoting the General wellfare IS mandated in the preamble to the Constitution and it isnt up to YOU to decide what that is."
That depends on what your and my definition of what "promoting the general welfare" is. Promoting means to help create the conditions for people to help themselves, not a mile long list of entitlements. Remember your hero, i.e. your name sake, is a socialist and a follower of Karl Marx.
November 5th, 2008 at 4:54 pmYou don't compromise with wrong.
The right-wing lost. Face it.
It is the right that will have to give up some of what they want, because the people have spoken and rejected their vision for America.
November 5th, 2008 at 4:57 pmPromoting means to help create the conditions for people to help themselves...
That's your definition, and it is not widely accepted as accurate.
November 5th, 2008 at 4:58 pm#89
"Your economic philosophies are the Dodo bird."
And you think your socialist philosophies have produced anything but the equal spread of misery?
November 5th, 2008 at 5:02 pm#96
"Wasteful government spending (on illegal wars, on bailing out corporations ruined by greed, on defense systems that have failed to show any signs of ever working, on suppressing the rights of legal voters to vote) is a conservative trait."
Are you ignorantly suggesting that wasteful government spending is not a liberal trait?
"on illegal wars"
Which court of any consequence or authority said it was illegal?
"on defense systems that have failed to show any signs of ever working"
What have you been smoking?
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/US-Navy-Independently-Validates-Demonstrates/story.aspx?guid=%7B7079B4D4-4335-4591-BEA1-B28986AD3845%7D
"on suppressing the rights of legal voters to vote"
Evidence?
November 5th, 2008 at 5:11 pm#97
"Obama kicks ass and takes names and you warn him that he’d better govern from the center?"
If he wants to be another loser like Jimmy Carter...he better. BTW if you want to see a real revolution/revolt by the American people (not just marching in the streets/protest)Obama better not try and push the courts into the realm of trying to "spread the wealth"...
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/10/27/obama-theoretically-ok-for-courts-to-redistribute-wealth.html
November 5th, 2008 at 5:28 pmWhen Capitalism tanks the People jog left.
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November 5th, 2008 at 5:32 pm#101
The right lost because Bush didn't stick to conservative fiscal principles when it came to government spending, and didn't prosecute the Iraq war well (something that the vast majority of Dems supported in the beginning BTW). If the financial problems with the banking system didn't happen when they did Obama never would have won.
November 5th, 2008 at 5:34 pm#102
"That’s your definition, and it is not widely accepted as accurate."
Only in irrelevant liberal circles, but as far as what the founding fathers intended, it's spot on. The founding fathers never intended the U.S. to be a welfare state.
November 5th, 2008 at 5:36 pm#106
"When Capitalism tanks the People jog left."
Yeah and when socialism tanks countries dissolve.
November 5th, 2008 at 5:40 pmYou can't wage war on tax cuts for the rich. It has never been done in the history of civilization. That's one of the major reasons for the current economic dilemma. Another is encouraging corporations to outsource and offshore. This is a consumer economy. When the consumer loses purchasing power there goes the economy. (Seems incredibly vulnerable, doesn't it...?)
The general strike and mass consumer boycott can bring down the house.
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November 5th, 2008 at 5:41 pmOooooohh! Revolt! I am trembling. I can hardly draw my Mathews I am trembling so hard.
Get over it btch, you lost. We have been saying for years now that your ilk does not represent America. You should pick up a newspaper. Something monumental happened yesterday that you really should know about before you start talking about "our country".
November 5th, 2008 at 5:42 pmTracy__5 says @ #109
That applies when socialism and/or capitalism tank. So...Better get a new head...!
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November 5th, 2008 at 5:43 pmI am always amazed that some claim to know the intent of a bunch of long dead slave owning hemp farmers. What gives? Was this some homeschooled indoctrination?
November 5th, 2008 at 5:48 pmpoor little t5 the contractors son who gets coffee for the real working men.....so sad to be you today.
How are you going to deal with the injustices that are coming your way?
November 5th, 2008 at 6:44 pm#111
"Oooooohh! Revolt! I am trembling. I can hardly draw my Mathews I am trembling so hard."
That's all you have?...a lousy compound bow? I sure hope your range is over 1000m.
"We have been saying for years now that your ilk does not represent America."
"Something monumental happened yesterday that you really should know about before you start talking about “our country”."
But your opinion really doesn't matter because no matter if you guys run the government...we still run the country. That of course you think you will be able to nationalize every industry in America....not going to happen.
November 5th, 2008 at 7:23 pm#114
"How are you going to deal with the injustices that are coming your way?"
So you are already calling Obama out by mentioning his unconstitutional call for using the courts to "spread the wealth"?
November 5th, 2008 at 7:28 pm"I am always amazed that some claim to know the intent of a bunch of long dead slave owning hemp farmers."
Read the Federalist Papers...you might learn something.
November 5th, 2008 at 7:31 pm#110
"Another is encouraging corporations to outsource and offshore."
Which is why raising tax rates on the rich, i.e. the job creaters and investors, is a sure fire way to get company operations moved to other countries.
November 5th, 2008 at 7:34 pmYeah it has been a while since I have but the way I remember there was plenty of room for interpretation especially if you already have an agenda you wish to find defense of.
November 5th, 2008 at 7:49 pmI think t5 just likes to type. How else could you string so many inane posts together in one thread.
November 5th, 2008 at 7:57 pmGOP STRATEGIST BAY BUCHANAN: There’s no question , in my mind the United States is still a center-right country.
There Bay, fixed the punctuation for you.
November 6th, 2008 at 12:30 am"ran on the most progressive platform of any presidential candidate in at least 15 years."
including only the nominees of the two major parties I presume?
November 6th, 2008 at 2:58 amRe: Crapitalist countries that dissolved: Probably the biggest examples are The British Empire and the French Community. (And let’s not forget the Weimar Republic…)
What happened to the SU can happen to the US.
Furthermore, great and good things can and have come out of all kinds of cultures and civilizations.
The success of the democratic socialist model of the Scandinavian countries is always conveniently ignored by the blighting connedserfaturd bug-eyed megaphoners of Flea Market Crapitalism.
Engage in self-criticism. Contribute something intelligent and practicable to the world instead of the same tired old dead mean-spirited rotten-to-the-core neo-Confederate ideology that has brought America to its current economic impasse.
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November 6th, 2008 at 8:58 amBut the point is, Obama is not a socialist. He’s about as much a socialist as was FDR. But the thing of it is like FDR he should be an experimenter. Some experiments work, and others don’t. FDR definitely proved that government interventionism is necessary to bailout Crapitalism. Some call that socialism. Others call it not socialist enough (like me).
In any event, FDR called himself neither a capitalist nor a socialist but rather a Christian. The same could probably be said about Obama--despite the sorry fact that the usual bumpkins yokels and louts insist that he is a crypto-Islamist Afro-Leninist. Utter folly persists.
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November 6th, 2008 at 9:03 am"The success of the democratic socialist model of the Scandinavian countries is always conveniently ignored by the blighting connedserfaturd bug-eyed megaphoners of Flea Market Crapitalism."
The Scandinavian countries like Sweden, have socialist social policies, but it's economy is a market driven capitalistic model and it's industries for the most part are not state run and owned and the trend is continuing toward privitization....
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/feb/05/business/ft-sweden5
"Contribute something intelligent and practicable to the world instead of the same tired old dead mean-spirited rotten-to-the-core neo-Confederate ideology that has brought America to its current economic impasse."
Capitalism has to be regulated for it to work properly and fairly. That is why the U.S. has been a stable country economically for so long, but as we have seen things can get out of hand if the governement doesn't do it's oversight job of regulation. What has happened to the U.S. financials is a result of the regulators of Wall Street not doing their job and the U.S. government thru it's mortagage policies of loosening it's lending restrictions causing Fannie and Freddie to sink. Pure socialism on the other hand, i.e. state planned, owned, and run economies don't work....period. There are many examples of this.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:39 am#124
"FDR definitely proved that government interventionism is necessary to bailout Crapitalism. Some call that socialism. Others call it not socialist enough (like me)."
Again pure capitalism doesn't work as well as pure socialism doesn't work either. The government owning entire industries and corporations doesn't work and totally unregulated industries and banks doesn't work either. The U.S. economy is a hybrid free market consumer driven model and has been proven to work. The right amount of regulation is necessary but nationalizing is also the wrong answer.
But the point is, Obama is not a socialist. He’s about as much a socialist as was FDR."
Had to say considering I never heard of FDR proposing or even thinking about using the courts to "spread the wealth"....
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/10/27/obama-theoretically-ok-for-courts-to-redistribute-wealth.html
He better not even try to push this crap or he will be out of office in less they four years.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:49 amI've never quite figured out the meme that because Obama won support from previously red-voting states, that means that the Democrats would have to move more towards the center.
Which of these would be farther to the right on the conservative/liberal continuum?
1. republican
2. democrat
Now tell me how having more of #2 and fewer of #1 makes for a more conservative Democratic party?
November 6th, 2008 at 1:14 pmRove is many things, especially a despicable liar, and a cad, but he is obviously not stupid and in fact quite effective at motivating the beast brains of the GOP base. What Rove is doing is admitting the post-election reality on Obama's political ideology now that he doesn't have to motivate all those tiny sub cortical beast brains into a frenzy about 'evil socialists'. It seems the Rovian pre-election attack tactics asserting Obama to be a socialist even worked on this author and so called 'progressives' reading his article.
The US has moved so far to the right compared to the rest of the world, and most notably Europe, almost all of the Democratic party politicians have also moved to the 'authoritarian right' along with our government and the Bush regime excluding a few notable exceptions like Sen. Sanders of Vermont and the only liberal in 'de house', Kucinich. Other than those few Democrat exceptions, democratic party politicians are no longer centrist, but moderate conservatives based on their voting records, policies and speeches. McCain-Palin platform, policies and speeches put them at Hitlerian levels of right wing authoritarianism, also known as fascism.
From the doctorate degreed professors, and political experts on global political ideologies and values at political compass: "While Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader are depicted on the extreme left in an American context, they would simply be mainstream social democrats within the wider political landscape of Europe. Similarly, Obama is popularly perceived as a leftist in the United States while elsewhere in the west his record is that of a moderate conservative. For example, in the case of the death penalty he is not an uncompromising abolitionist, while mainstream conservatives in all other western democracies are deeply opposed to capital punishment. The Democratic party's presidential candidate also reneged on his commitment to oppose the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. He sided with the ultra conservative bloc in the Supreme Court against the Washington DC handgun ban and for capital punishment in child rape cases. He supports President Bush's faith-based initiatives and is reported in Fortune to have said that NAFTA isn't so bad."
Take the political compass political values 'type' indicator test yourself by clicking here. Stop guessing about your own political ideology and if a genuine 'liberal', [progressive] stop voting against your own political values and your conscious by voting for a corporatist Neoliberal 'authoritarian right' moderate conservative.... It's the only way Americans will actually get what they want from their government.
November 8th, 2008 at 10:26 amWhat specific sort of dough do you think Karl Rove is made of? My money's on sourdough.
December 9th, 2008 at 12:45 pm