The citizens of this nation are not blind to what is happening in this world. Other nations provide the essentials in life..universal health care, subsidized education and regulated capitalism that is fair for all.

If the Repugs want to change for the 21st centery, start looking within and clear out the mentality that has set the party back 50 years.

There is a saying…small town , small minds…look to the masses to get direction if you care. The battle is not about idoligy but who is behind the idoligy??? However in the Repugs case both have to change if it is going to be a party of the future.

The original “conservative values” do not resemble the theocratic “values” supposed by the modern republicans. If the republicans went back to the original values, strictly, then they would actually be more progressive than the current democratic party. Of course, that would piss of “the base” completely. We will see what they do.

You nailed it buddy. There’s a lot of debris to clean up, and I’m pessimistic about the capacity for so called “conservatives” to actually do it.

Then they can focus on warmonging, torture, spying on Americans, McCarthyism, cronyism, race baiting, creating off-shore tax havens, environmental destruction, tax cuts for the wealthy, bad trade agreements, and taking bribes.

November 5th, 2008 at 10:14 am
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These Evangelical freaks are already saying whatever they want, and threw apoliticality out with all those other values like charity and compassion and all that Jesusy stuff.

Nope, we might as well let the rest of the country benefit from the billions of dollars in “first fruits” currently keeping the Evangelical Industry in their Lear Jets.

And any church that used it’s pulpit to preach politics, BY LAW, needs to have its tax-free status removed. Your PERSONAL spiritual welfare has nothing at all to do with politics. You can preach politics on the street corner (well, the republican drive “free speech zones” may affect that). And a church IS free to preach politics in their service, but the price they pay for doing so is the loss of the tax exempt status. No one says they get shut down for that, just that that excludes them from exemption from taxes. Deal with it. THAT is part of our america, and if you don’t like it, leave.

bitblt Says:
Many believe churches should be political and that since there is no establishment of a national religion because of the First Amendment, the churches should be allowed to say whatever they want.

They can argue it all they want. It is still illegal and should be persued. If they want to engage in politics they should be taxed. If they engage in politics they are not religious, they are political, period.

So go ahead Republicans. Have the disagreements, make the arguments, reach the logical conclusions that result from those arguments, and we can all shitcan the fundamentalist attitudes for the next few decades or so…or don’t and continue your losing ways. You’d think the Schiavo affair would have sunk in with these people. What the hell is wrong with them?

Somewhere, Barry Goldwater is smiling at Ensign’s remarks. Goldwater was the one who bemoaned the hijacking of his party by the evangelical right, and it was his position that true conservatives had no business getting into people’s private lives, bedrooms, and uteruses. True conservatism stood for personal freedom and less government, and the issues of gays and abortions went against those principles.

It’s refreshing to see that this idea hasn’t died. The GOP would be doing itself a service if they kick all the Dobsons, the Wildmons, and the Schlaflys out of the party.”

I repeated that Molly, and I hope you don’t mind. As a disenfranchised republican turned libertarian, I have to say that you’ve articulated what I was thinking so eloquently that it bares repeating. I’m hoping some major house cleaning goes on in the conservative movement, and PNAC and the Neocons go the way of the Dodo bird (hunted to extinction).

While us libertarians are mucking the conservative stalls (and there’s a huge pile of sh!t to move) my hope is that progressives will work to restore civil liberties, and that we libertarians can help make that happen. I can tolerate 4 years of liberal economics if it means I get my essential liberties back.

It’s a hell of a lot harder to get back lost money than it is to get back loss liberties.

Congratulations President elect Barack Obama, you’ve earned this.

The Republic of Stupidity Says:
ralph the wonder llama Says:

Sen. Ensign seems to believe otherwise, and is trying to peer through the smoke rising from the ash heap…

Is that really “smoke rising from the ash heap”, or is it steam billowing from the Big Stinky Sh*t Pile, Ralph?

Potay-to, potah-to, TRos.

Sen. Ensign seems to believe otherwise, and is trying to peer through the smoke rising from the ash heap…
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Is that really “smoke rising from the ash heap”, or is it steam billowing from the Big Stinky Sh*t Pile, Ralph? At any rate, w/ bitblt gibbering around the place this fine morning like a 5 yr old on a sugar binge, Whack-A-Troll is on™!!! Yer shot, Ralphie.

Despite the indisputable fact that the Christian right Republican jack-booted thugs got their asses kicked last night.

Will they learn from their defeat? Yes. If you consider “learn” to mean that they will find a new champion for their theocratic vision of America and another gimmick like “Contract with America” by which to bamboozle the uneducated and corral the hateful among us. Vigilance!

Many believe churches should be political and that since there is no establishment of a national religion because of the First Amendment, the churches should be allowed to say whatever they want.
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As usual, bitblt speaks out of bitblt’s Cheney. Bitblt’s ‘conservative’ brethren got their collective Cheneys handed to them on platters all over the country last night, and bitblt is here to gloat over the one small, mean-spirited, HATEFUL bit of bigotry the pointy, little heads managed to insitutionalize in some places, however temporarily, until saner minds prevail.

Had a hard time sleepy last night. Kept hearing these popping noises for hours. At first I thought it was fire works, to go along w/ all the horn honking and general rowdiness following OBAMA’S WIN. Turns out it was actually the sounds of pointy little heads ’sploding, one after another.