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Palin spent more on clothes than previously reported, McCain aides furious at her ‘outrageous profligacy.’

palin-boots.jpgIn a new 50,000 word article on the presidential campaigns that will come out tomorrow, Newsweek reports that Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) spent far more on clothing than the $150,000 reported last month. According to a preview by Politico’s Mike Allen, “McCain’s top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy“:

One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family — clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent ‘tens of thousands’ more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband.

Newsweek reports that McCain “rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign, and aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended.”



84 Responses to “Palin spent more on clothes than previously reported, McCain aides furious at her ‘outrageous profligacy.’”

  1. Dave C says:

    To be fair, a lot of that money went for lipstick for the pig.


  2. Evil Spaniard says:

    Well, freeloading is a thing Republicans love to do. Their beloved concept of Social Darwinism makes they think that, if they don’t profit from those they see as “suckers”, they’re not “good capitalists”.


  3. MapleStreet says:

    And I thought the dems were the tax and spend crowd !

    How would Palin handle a budget ?


  4. jb says:

    Can we just ignore this hockey mom now? Please?


  5. DRxJ says:

    As my mother, a born again Catholic Republican and a zombified Faux News supporter, has said…
    Why is the damn liberal media treating her so mercilessly?

    Well, here may be an answer. Nearly $200,000 on clothes.
    …and who was purported to be the “elitist”?


  6. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent ‘tens of thousands’ more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband.

    I’m sorry, but how do those clothing purchases not count as a campaign contribution, well in excess of the $2300 limits?


  7. stewarjt says:

    McCain “rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign…”

    Or before picking her to be his VP running mate for that matter.


  8. Badmoodman says:

    Palin spent more on clothes than previously reported, McCain aides furious at her ‘outrageous profligacy.’»

    – – Not even a decent interval. And so, the blame game begins.


  9. livelongandprosper says:

    jb Says:

    Can we just ignore this hockey mom now? Please?

    I agree. Let Alaska deal with her. Stop giving her air time.


  10. jb says:

    I’m sure the moose will be impressed by the fancy wardrobe. High fillutin’, fancy shootin’. Good ridance to bad rubbish.


  11. Game of Life says:

    Yeah sure mooseyak kept mcchimpy in the dark, just like the economy did, just like foreign policy, just like basic commonsense did…

    Please go way way away


  12. paleolib says:

    Joe the unlicensed tax dodging plumber just had his fifteen minutes expire. Let’s do the same for this inane product of the corrupt Alaskan political system. Send her home and let the polar bears and moose hunters deal with her clothing bills.


  13. shoeless says:

    No one should be reimbursed from McCain’s campaign funds. Since he took federal matching funds, the taxpayer would be on the hook for half.


  14. DieNowForPeace says:

    Can you folks at least TRY to kill a thread by ignoring it someday?

    Like my best friend who seems to always have trouble with ex-girlfriends, my advice is to turn your back, walk away, and never, EVER look back…

    If you’re truly sick of her, ignore her, and TP will stop posting topics on the stupid beotch.


  15. shoeless says:

    Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards.

    The Republican version of socialism.


  16. Dumb_Hussein_Fox says:

    aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended

    You mean “be offended”, as in “have called her a *un*”.


  17. Buckie Boy says:

    And you can be sure of what kind of President she would have been, far worse than Bush and twice as dishonest.


  18. LiberalVoter says:

    Can we please just dump Palin? It is time to let her fade into obscurity and stop bothering us with her nonsense.


  19. Chuck Feney says:

    Don’t be too hard on Sarah: it wasn’t easy for her to keep up with Cindy.


  20. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    I’m hoping the public’s enjoyment of Tina Fey’s impersonation of Palin makes her think twice about throwing herself into the national spotlight again. If Palin won’t go away, Tina Fey will be there to remind us why she should.


  21. misshusseinmolly says:

    Fortunately, this is an issue we won’t have to hear about anymore (although if I was a Republican who had donated money to this team, I would still be plenty ticked off at how my money was spent).

    I would just like to say this: I hope that all the Republicans who complained about John Edwards getting a $400 haircut on campaign funds (even though Edwards later reimbursed the campaign for his haircut out of his own pocket) are complaining just as long and just as loud about outfitting the Palin family on campaign money. But I’m not holding my breath.


  22. DidHeJustSayThat says:

    “What? How long has she been at this, five weeks?”

    No, this grift has been at this a lot longer than you’d think.

    She is absolutely disgusting.

    Palin 2012!


  23. ScaryBrownHusseinChick (ThinkOutsideTheBush) says:

  24. Uncle Ho says:

    Dear Caribou Barbie;
    You said you will donate the clothes and accessories would be donated to charity after the campaign.
    The election is now over. Goodwill is waiting for you to make good on your campaign pledge.
    ………..Signed,
    ………….Goodwill Industries.

    snark


  25. dolgre says:

    Read the whole article. If she didn’t disgust you before, she will now.

    My favorite part was where she is so “comfortable with the boys club” that she literally parades around her room in nothing but a tiny hotel towel wrapped around her, right in front of McCain’s top advisers, and her poor, cuckold of a husband, all just sitting there on the couch.

    I bet their jaws were dropped in amazement at just how crass and bizarre a person this was who was potentially a heartbeat away from the presidency.

    I hope Todd divorces her, takes the lake house and the kids, and she has to put all those clothes on sale at her “favorite consignment shop in Anchorage, Alaska” in order to reimburse the McCain campaign and pay for gas in her truck.


  26. LividLib says:

    i’m hoping the next time she goes out on one of her wolf-shooting adventures, mccain is piloting the aircraft.


  27. IgnoranceIsNotBliss says:

    Man,what a piece of work this woman turned out to be. Holy crap.

    And the RNC is concered with the fact that Obama went to home to see his dying grandmother? Sheesh, these people need to get their priorities in order.


  28. Game of Life says:

    MapleStreet Says:

    And I thought the dems were the tax and spend crowd !

    How would Palin handle a budget ?

    The Way mooseyak handles the tough Alaskan Budget (5 year forecast.):
    She takes a legal size 6 column accounting tablet and doodles crowns, dead wolves, various number “1s” encasted in an explosions and sizzling mooseburgers on an open pit.

    Then she makes sure she collects her per diem.

    BTW
    mooseyak had a nerve to cry, as if her bs was working on the public. HAHAHAHAHAHA
    Because of all the terrible personal bs tantrum she spewed through her own lipstick pig lip, she should go the way of her buddy, stevens.

    Amazing the whole time repugs were believing in their own bs. And, and laying it on thicker than a granite kitchen sink. Simply Amazing.

    jesse cut-Obama’s-balls=off jackson was funny as hell shedding tears because he done f-cked up bigtime.

    HAHAHAHAHAHA


  29. Keith H. says:

    She was doing what bush & dick have been doing for 8 years .. just at a much smaller scale.


  30. pax says:

    Let this rest!
    We should be using this space for more issues……like discussing the progressive mandate.


  31. celtic cynic says:

    The Laws of Physics still apply – Cream rises to the top, as do turds.


  32. lefty says:

    Palin was The Last Dick Move.


  33. avchavis says:

    I’m so glad that we’re getting to see the real Palin and that she’ll now be taking her a$$ back to Alaska!

    YES WE CAN!


  34. the Lone Voice of Reason says:

    You know, I do want to hear about the crap she pulled. I don’t want it to go away. Why you may ask? So when that stupid twit tries to make a run in 2012 we can shoot her down like she does the wolves.


  35. katy says:

    … But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family …

    “They’re GRIFTERS!” -jon stewart, outloud…


  36. MCMetal says:

    Guess everyone can safely say that the McCain campaign certainly got far less than they paid for …………


  37. stateofthedivision says:

    One again, we hear how John McCain wasn’t in charge of his political campaign.

    Who really runs the Republican Party?


  38. watertiger says:

    Say it with me: Grifter.


  39. Game of Life says:

    mooseyak will always be remembered, unfortunately.

    … is/was as dumb/stupid as mooseyak.


  40. Art says:

    Sarah,
    Sorry, but you lost.
    Thank you for playing.
    I see you have some lovely parting gifts.
    Now go home.


  41. EnnuiDivine says:

    The people of Alaska should be stripped of their voting rights. Not just for electing Palin two years ago…but…

    HOW IS TED STEVENS WINNING HIS DAMN BATTLE FOR REELECTION?!?!

    It speaks volumes about an electorate that sends an 84yr old multiple felon back to the United States Senate.


  42. CageyCretin says:

    Until she is out of American politics all together there is no good reason to ignore her. She lept gleefully into the national arena, and has been deservedly mocked. She deserves scrutiny until all potential charges are concluded and until she is no longer involved in politics.

    Fact is, at this moment, she is not going away to fade into obscurity: she is returning to being a governor of an American state, and clearly has further political aspirations. SHE (and others) do not consider this election the end of her carreer — some see it as the START of her real political carrer.

    So, no. No, I do not want to ignore this lunatic in office.


  43. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Buckie Boy Says:
    And you can be sure of what kind of President she would have been, far worse than Bush and twice as dishonest.

    Not sure that’s even possible, Buckie, but I take your point…


  44. joe cantwell says:

    my favorite palin fun fact:

    Results for Guilford County, where Sarah Palin made her remarks about real Americans in pro-America parts of the country:

    Obama/Biden 58.75%
    McCain/Palin 40.44%
    Obama’s margin in NC is now 11,690, up from 11,246 when the first unofficial results were announced in the wee hours of this morning; the total vote has moved up to 4,248,285.

    from edcone.com

    word up.

    *


  45. mongo says:

    “Can we just ignore this hockey mom now? Please?”

    No, unfortunately.

    This becomes just one of many teachable moments that progressives in power will need to take advantage of in the coming months.

    Every time a new progressive policy is developed, the Obama administration will need to have the appropriate references back to the dark days of bush/cheney/delay/et al that explicate why the policy is needed, and point to specific examples of the over-reaching and “monstrous” (per Krugman) actions of the republicans and the bush administration that necessitated them.

    Obama must begin the careful unwinding of all the awful policies put in place over the last 8 years by the republican crooks, and make sure he gets the republicans involved in the unwinding process, even to the point where they cop to the awfulness that they helped create. Not to rub their faces in it, but to point out to and remind them and the American people that what bush and his cronies did to this country was not in the country’s best interest.

    There needs to be an acknowledgement and repudiation on the part of the republicans so the country doesn’t go through this crap again.


  46. Hemlock for Gadflies says:

    Best part of the NEWSWEEK story?

    Palin greets McCain staffers wearing only a towel.

    One night, Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter went to her hotel room to brief her. After a minute, Palin sailed into the room wearing nothing but a towel, with another on her wet hair.

    Ahh, family values. Skank.


  47. MCMetal says:

    mongo Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    November 5th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Not that I don’t agree with almost your entire post (I do) , but to believe that you will get any GOP politician to admit guilt or complicity with the horseshit Chimpy administration on any level , is foolhardy.

    You’d have more success running down to the beach and pleading with the waves not to break …………….


  48. Game of Life says:

    mooseyak can redeem herself by showing us her medical records, maybe then we will give her a chance in 2028. she can be, like her ex running mate, the oldest repug woman nomination.


  49. freeman says:

    Okay Billy Kristol you got your wish ….. she is indeed the ultimate OUTSIDER ! Now please , both of you ,GO AWAY !


  50. liberal traitor says:

    From one of the links above:

    The debates unnerved both candidates. When he was preparing for them during the Democratic primaries, Obama was recorded saying, “I don’t consider this to be a good format for me, which makes me more cautious. I often find myself trapped by the questions and thinking to myself, ‘You know, this is a stupid question, but let me … answer it.’ So when Brian Williams is asking me about what’s a personal thing that you’ve done [that's green], and I say, you know, ‘Well, I planted a bunch of trees.’ And he says, ‘I’m talking about personal.’ What I’m thinking in my head is, ‘Well, the truth is, Brian, we can’t solve global warming because I f—ing changed light bulbs in my house. It’s because of something collective’.”

    ROTFLMMAO (the extra M is for ‘motherf–king’)

    I think my respect-o-meter just shot up another couple of points for ol’ Barry! That is HILARIOUS, and also…TRUE. And to be honest, I kinda wish that had been his actual answer!


  51. freeman says:

    Would now be a good time to report that the last presidential election was rigged in Ohio through a 3rd party and that as of 2 days ago is being investigated in the courts there ?


  52. freeman says:

    Dr.Matt ,
    it’s still nearly 3 months till the next president takes office , alot can happen .
    Including martial law .


  53. palinode says:

    Let the blame games begin:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrUN8oldj9o

    LMAO!!! Says it all.


  54. tombaker says:

    Lots of R’s out there trying to make the case that she’ll be around come ‘12 and so on.

    Patently laughable.

    That lady has shat in her mess-kit. Game over.

    Alaska doesn’t want her back, and we don’t want her down here – maybe she should run for office in Canada.


  55. liberal traitor says:

    Dr. Hussein Matt:

    This may sound weird, but does the term “Whoo-Teegy” mean anything to you?


  56. Robt says:

    The silly slothing bargain shopping is ove for Palin.

    It was reported that the Palin campaign had stated,
    “the clothes will be donated after the election” !

    You might want to track this to see if they keep their word.

    In the mean time, many a woman will be checking for a good deal at GoodWill outlets.


  57. misshusseinmolly says:

    EnnuiDivine Says
    November 5th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    HOW IS TED STEVENS WINNING HIS DAMN BATTLE FOR REELECTION?!?!

    It speaks volumes about an electorate that sends an 84yr old multiple felon back to the United States Senate.
    ____________________________________________________________

    I don’t believe Alaskans are sending an 84 year old multiple felon back to the Senate. Even those with all the acuity of a bowling ball know that Stevens is out — either through resignation or expulsion.

    What they voted for was for keeping the Senate seat red (to be filled with a Republican to be named later). The only way this could happen was by voting for Stevens, which will force a special election in the wake of his resignation.

    What will be interesting is that the candidates in the special election would both be newbies, and the seniority that kept Stevens in power for so long will no longer be an issue. Would Begich run again? Or will the loss of Stevens send a flock of other Dems to the plate? It should be interesting.


  58. maple25 says:

    Is it just me, or does anyone else think McCain is throwing her under the bus?


  59. Max-1 says:

    .

    Good photo of her high steppin’ in those jack boot…

    .


  60. joe cantwell says:

    maple25 Says:
    Is it just me, or does anyone else think McCain is throwing her under the bus?

    *

    not only is he throwing her

    under the bus, he’s getting

    into the driver’s seat and

    stepping on the gas.

    *

    thank you.

    #


  61. tombaker says:

    as long as she ends up under it, i don’t care who does the throwin’!!


  62. MCMetal says:

    misshusseinmolly Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    EnnuiDivine Says
    November 5th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    HOW IS TED STEVENS WINNING HIS DAMN BATTLE FOR REELECTION?!?!

    It speaks volumes about an electorate that sends an 84yr old multiple felon back to the United States Senate.
    ____________________________________________________________

    I don’t believe Alaskans are sending an 84 year old multiple felon back to the Senate. Even those with all the acuity of a bowling ball know that Stevens is out — either through resignation or expulsion.

    What they voted for was for keeping the Senate seat red (to be filled with a Republican to be named later). The only way this could happen was by voting for Stevens, which will force a special election in the wake of his resignation.

    What will be interesting is that the candidates in the special election would both be newbies, and the seniority that kept Stevens in power for so long will no longer be an issue. Would Begich run again? Or will the loss of Stevens send a flock of other Dems to the plate? It should be interesting.

    November 5th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    My concern is that Bible Spice is going to end up running and winning that seat ……………That might very well be even worse.


  63. A Patriot Acting says:

    Maybe she’ll put some of her clothes up on teh ebay. I know that Rich Lowry, William Kristol, Krauthammer and many of the neocons would bid into the high triple digits for the chance to win a used pair of her undies.


  64. the brown acid says:

    This woman has a wonderful career yet ahead of her..

    As a star in MILF porn.


  65. vinylspear says:

    If a shopping spree is all it cost to keep her out of office then it was money well spent.


  66. CageyCretin says:

    the brown acid Says:
    This woman has a wonderful career yet ahead of her..
    As a star in MILF porn.

    Funny thing is, that would be absolutely true. She would make record amounts of money in that big money industry (and all those “family values” types would be the first to buy the films). Still not sure that I’d want to see that myself, though.


  67. Doc Rock says:

    A talent for crime that should have put her in the outgoing administration from the get go!


  68. CageyCretin says:

    vinylspear Says:
    If a shopping spree is all it cost to keep her out of office then it was money well spent.

    well, money illegally spent. And she’s not out of office — at least, not yet.


  69. nofltwlt says:

    Americans, especially citizens of Alaska, need to make sure Palin never again gets near a political position. She will abuse such power for as long as she lives.


  70. EnnuiDivine says:

    MCMetal Says:

    misshusseinmolly Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    EnnuiDivine Says
    November 5th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    HOW IS TED STEVENS WINNING HIS DAMN BATTLE FOR REELECTION?!?!

    It speaks volumes about an electorate that sends an 84yr old multiple felon back to the United States Senate.
    ____________________________________________________________

    I don’t believe Alaskans are sending an 84 year old multiple felon back to the Senate. Even those with all the acuity of a bowling ball know that Stevens is out — either through resignation or expulsion.

    What they voted for was for keeping the Senate seat red (to be filled with a Republican to be named later). The only way this could happen was by voting for Stevens, which will force a special election in the wake of his resignation.

    What will be interesting is that the candidates in the special election would both be newbies, and the seniority that kept Stevens in power for so long will no longer be an issue. Would Begich run again? Or will the loss of Stevens send a flock of other Dems to the plate? It should be interesting.

    November 5th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    My concern is that Bible Spice is going to end up running and winning that seat ……………That might very well be even worse.

    The argument I’ve heard is that most Alaskans don’t sincerely believe Stevens will be ejected from the Senate if he wins. They voted for him because of his decades of service…

    Assuming he wins and gets his geriatric, felonious ass thrown out, don’t expect Palin to step up. She’ll likely push for her Lt., Sean Parnell in the special election.

    Which is nearly as bad for the country. Parnell is a few years older than Palin and about as conservative, if a bit more politically astute…and should have few problems against a challenger like Begich. Reason and enlightenment fail the people of Alaska yet again.


  71. marlow says:

    Important safety tip: don’t invite the Palins to dinner, unless your silverware is insured and your best china glued to the wall. Jeezus.


  72. Shayne says:

    I don’t know, I think it would be kind of fun to see her exposed in the Republican primaries. All those guys who said how capable she is, like Mutt, would be able to tell her how they really feel. And here supporters would probably lose their inspiration to vote for the eventual GOP candidate.


  73. EnnuiDivine says:

    An addendum to my last post: between Stevens, Parnell, Palin, and Begich…Begich is the only one born in Alaska. Have these people no pride in their native sons?


  74. Tired of being lied to says:

    Quick math check/reality check:

    Nominated: August 29
    Defeated: November 4
    Elapsed Days: 68
    Estimate on cost of clothing: $150,000 (probably higher)
    Cost of clothing expenditures PER DAY: $2,205.88

    Three thoughts:
    1) Don’t tell me what a cost conscience budget-cutter she is after this
    2) The campaign obviously lied about this or had no clue as to what she was doing – either way, it is bad
    3) I thought the Palin’s would all have looked better after spending than kind of money of clothes


  75. MapleStreet says:

    77. Tired of Being Lied To,

    As you imply, the way she spent the money off a “private donor” and multiple Aides’ credit cards seems odd.

    Should I infer that this was an intentional move to bypass any accounting controls ?


  76. cargod says:

    #67 Brown acid

    one word

    “teabag”

    thanyou


  77. Uncle Ho says:

    the brown acid says;
    This woman has a wonderful career yet in front of her…
    As a star in MILF porn.
    ______________________________________________________________

    I wouldn’t touch her.
    I JUST KNOW I WOULD CATCH SOMETHING NASTY.


  78. MapleStreet says:

    “The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.” (first link)

    You’re telling me THAT HAIRDOO cost THAT MUCH ?


  79. TeleMan says:

    Hmmm, now that Palin has lost, will her preggo daughter and the proud redneck still get married? I’m betting he’s gonna run for the border.


  80. xenon says:

    tombaker Says:

    Alaska doesn’t want her back, and we don’t want her down here – maybe she should run for office in Canada.

    You think Canada is that stupid? Get ahold of yourself. Ship her off to Russia, you know, seeing as she’s an expert…


  81. Nevar says:

    Senator Ted Stevens’ $75,000.00 for cabin renovation kind of pales in comparison…


  82. desertflower1 says:

    Did she donate those clothes before she went back to Alaska? Did Todd? The kids? Did her daughter part with the Louis Vitton purse before she got on the plane? No. Didn’t think so. Have I mentioned that I detest this woman and find her, and those like her, offensive?


  83. openminded says:

    …after reading an article about how Gov. Palin charged the state of Alaska to have members of her family travel to (Alaska) state functions, whether they were invited or not,
    and now the comments/articles coming out about the cost of Gov. Palin’s and her husband wardrobe (during the 2008 Presidential Campaign), do not surprise me.

    I think anyone voted into a position of power will always find ways to spend voters tax dollars to benefit themselves, and family, and not think anything of it; a characteristic needed for wanting to be in politics (thinking you are better than anyone else and don’t have to answer to anyone).

    Back to the Alaska expenditures; what does it say about someone’s character, when you ask your staff to go back and change comments (not dollars)on expense reports, about the nature/purpose of family members attending (Alaska) state functions, when the family member(s) did not perform any function at all, and in some cases not invited. (Change may not have been made if it were not for some (hi-profile) event that might have triggered an audit…?)

    Yes, it could be said that some invitations did not specifically indicate who was invited, but to have some organiziers send (either on their own or suggested to do so) updated invitations or send personal email invitations to help submitted expenditures match invitations…..?

    And, it could be said that Alaska’s laws and/or the Governor’s expenditures discretion are such that it may be difficult to say that the (documented) expenses are valid or not. Then again, who is going to stand up to a Governor ?

    In my opinion, children and/or family members (not working for the state) of a Governor (or other elected office) are not on the state payroll, so unless an organizer or donor is willing to pay for their expenses, the Governor should pay the expenses out right or reimburse the state (if charged to state charge cards/expense accounts). If my company pays to send me to a seminar and I want to take my wife, the company does not pay for my wife’s expenses and I would not expect them to.

    Seems that there are those that will use every angle they can to get what they want, and do what ever it takes to make it look like that every action they make was not improper; maybe not using good judgement….

    Just my thoughts on the matter.


  84. Carly Corday says:

    I can’t believe the people here who are begging the rest of us to turn a blind eye to this, to forget Palin, to “ignore” any thread about her. I want everything about the Palins brought out. The last thing I want is for Sarah Palin’s prayers to be answered regarding the country (and her state!) finding out who, and what, she really is. I want her devotees to know ALL. Who are you people pretending we should “ignore her now,” when obviously, to “ignore her now” is the way to keep her image untarnished. YOU go away! After what she put us through, I want her run through the wringer, if she deserves it, and it seems she does, a thousand times more than we even guessed! It must come out. Quit protecting these republican criminals by acting as if “talking about murder” is worse than committing murder, gosh damn it! Enough with that.



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