ThinkFast: November 5, 2008
ThinkFast: November 5, 2008
More than 130 million people turned out to vote yesterday, shattering all previous turnout records. An estimated 64 percent of the electorate voted, “making 2008 the highest percentage turnout in generations.” In 2004, 122.3 million voted in what was then the highest recorded turnout in the contest between President Bush and Sen. John Kerry (D-MA).
With one precinct left to report, Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) is leading Democratic challenger Tom Perriello in Virginia’s 5th district. Overall, House Democrats gained 18 seats, giving them a 79 seat majority with 10 races still too close to call, according to the New York Times.
Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) declared victory this morning in Minnisota’s 6th District, “fending off a challenge from Democrat Elwyn Tinklenberg.” Bachmann said her vote against the Wall Street Bailout package and her support for offshore oil drilling were key to her winning reelection.
Sen. Norm Coleman is leading Democratic challenger Al Franken in Minnesota’s U.S. Senate race with 99 percent of the precincts reporting, and with over 80 percent reporting, Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) leads Democratic Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich. But overall, the Democrats will add at least five seats in the Senate and “have an outside shot at gaining 60 seats.”
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) will likely meet with Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) later this week to discuss whether he “will be stripped of his Senate committee chairmanship,” according to a senior Democratic leadership aide. The aide says that Reid “has not yet decided what to do,” but that there is “lingering anger among Senate Democrats over Lieberman’s Republican convention speech.”
“Pal around together? What does that mean? Share a milkshake with two straws?” Bill Ayers said in an interview. “I think my relationship with Obama was probably like thousands of others in Chicago. … I wish I knew him better.” Ayers said conservatives had turned him into “a cartoon character.”
ABC News reports that Obama “has offered the White House chief of staff job to Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill.” Emanuel has not yet given his answer, but “he also has a keen sense of ‘duty.’”
With over 90 percent of precincts reporting, California’s ban on gay marriage looks likely to pass, up 51.9 to 48.1 percent. Speaking to opponents of the measure last night, San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom refused to give up hope. “Tonight, we await a verdict,” he said, adding, “I’m crossing my fingers.”
Congressional conservatives are “already beginning to struggle with how to recover” from their losses. Republican Conference Chairman Adam Putnam (R-FL) announced last night he would step down from his third-ranking slot. “Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) could announce a decision on his future as early as today…and the fate of Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) remains uncertain.”
And finally: Greeted as liberators! Thousands of protesters converged outside the White House in early hours of Wednesday morning, “bringing cigars, cameras, flags and children to celebrate their candidate’s victory.” The crowd mixed chants of “Yes, We Can” with “No More Bush,” as well as “U-S-A, U-S-A,” “Yes, We Did” and “Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye.”
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I Have A Dream That Our Time For Change Has Come
As I watched the historical event of Barack Obama become President last night, the first thing that came to mind is Martin Luther King Jr.’s speech “I have a dream.”
Though I can only appreciate this speech from watching old films; I was just as moved last night, as I was the first time I watched Martin Luther King Jr. deliver this heartfelt speech. It brings me great hope, that as a nation, we have once again proved, we can live up to our ideals. That we can achieve the dream that Martin Luther King Jr. and so many others – who have fought so valiantly – envisioned that our country could be.
Change will not be easy for some people; but this is exactly what needs to happen in this country, in order to get back to the principles and accountability that the majority of us have missed. Where the likes of George Bush and the Karl Roves’, are not tolerated, they are sent to jail for their illegal crimes.
Lastly, to all the hundreds of thousands of volunteers that made this dream come true, you have my deepest gratitude for all of your hard work and effort. Without you and all the grassroots campaigns, this would not have been a reality. You have proved that anything is possible once again, in this land of opportunity. In the immortal words of John F. Kennedy, “We have the power to make this the best generation of mankind in the history of the world.” Link
November 5th, 2008 at 9:00 amBachmann said her vote against the Wall Street Bailout package and her support for offshore oil drilling were key to her winning reelection.
No, Shelly. The reason you squeaked by this election is that thin plurality of voters in your district are mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, brain-dead morons.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:04 am“Free at last. Free, at last.”
November 5th, 2008 at 9:05 am-MLK
Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) declared victory this morning in Minnisota’s 6th District, “fending off a challenge from Democrat Elwyn Tinklenberg.” Bachmann said her vote against the Wall Street Bailout package and her support for offshore oil drilling were key to her winning reelection.
Sen. Norm Coleman is leading Democratic challenger Al Franken in Minnesota’s U.S. Senate race with 99 percent of the precincts reporting, and with over 80 percent reporting, Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) leads Democratic Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich. But overall, the Democrats will add at least five seats in the Senate and “have an outside shot at gaining 60 seats.”
See why you’re mocked , people of Alaska and Minnesota ?
Fu(king morons ……….
November 5th, 2008 at 9:08 amI’d like to thank George W Bush…
…without whose tireless work to destroy the GOP and any hope of a “Permanent Republican Majority” that they dreamed of just four short years ago, none of this would of been possible.
Just think about what an ASTOUNDING F-up George had to be for Americans to have come so far so quickly?
When Bush stole re-election in 2004 (side-note: last night was the FIRST legitimately decided Presidential Election of the 21st Century), there was talk of a “Permanent Republican Majority”, how this was a “Conservative” or “Center-Right” Nation where more people identified themselves as “Republican” or “Conservative” than “Democrat” or “Liberal”.
Bill Maher put it best last week when he said, “After eight years of George Bush and just seven years after 9/11, Americans looked at their choices and decided: I’ll take the black guy with the Arab-sounding name that is accused of paling around with terrorists” over the Republican.
The historic significance of what we saw last night can’t be understated. It was on par with seeing Man walk on the Moon or the Berlin Wall coming down. It will be repeated in the same breath as “Lincoln and MLK” for hundreds of years.
And none of it would of been possible without the tireless hard work and dedication of George W. Bush to be a complete and total F-up. I tip my hat to you, Sir!
November 5th, 2008 at 9:08 amHow in the world can harry reid still consider joeLIE for anything in the dem party? As chairman of the Homeland committee he did nothing positive. He ran to the repugs to support mccain. When joeLIE caucuses with the dems he doesn’t vote with them on major questions. This just proves that reid still has no spine. reid needs to be out as Majority Leader.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:09 amGood morning, campers.
I declare this morning to be troll-free. They won’t be here this a.m. after spending the night crying in their beers. Too hung-over.
Obamamania rules.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:09 amThe Second-Best Thing about yesterday’s result is that the Dims no longer need to suck shit out of Wholey Joe’s treacherous, poisonous wattles.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:11 amCongressional conservatives are “already beginning to struggle with how to recover” from their losses.
I have a suggestion – join the rest of us left-of-center, where people, not money is the priority.
Where all Americans are provided quality health care.
Where life, post-fetus, is valued.
Where education is something to be encouraged, not ridiculed.
Where skin color, gender, and sexual-orientation are not used to judge a person’s character.
Where the environment is more important than share holders.
Where the Constitution is respected.
Where freedom means freedom for those with whom you disagree, too.
Join us. I promise that you will find a better America as a result.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:11 amMugsy, I believe that in your next to last paragraph you meant to say overstated, not understated.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:12 am“California’s ban on gay marriage looks likely to pass, up 51.9 to 48.1 percent.”
Even if it does pass, the United States will eventually turn away from excluding equal rights, exactly as they did with slavery.
As time passes, more and more people are turning away from the anti-gay beliefs and are turning towards equal rights for all. Most of this has to do with regressive ideas always losing ground to progressive ideals.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:12 amOut of curiosity, can anyone tell me the results of the military vote?
I’m curious to see how they went.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:12 amAnd finally: Greeted as liberators! Thousands of protesters converged outside the White House in early hours of Wednesday morning, “bringing cigars, cameras, flags and children to celebrate their candidate’s victory.” The crowd mixed chants of “Yes, We Can” with “No More Bush”, as well as “U-S-A, U-S-A”, “Yes, We Did” and “Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye.”
We did it.
It wasn’t easy, but we did it.
Congratulations to every liberal who has dedicated hours, days, weeks, months and years from your life to get us to this point – to this victory.
Yesterday, we took back our Democracy. Today, we celebrate. And tomorrow, we get back to work to ensure that we do not lose it again.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:16 amJust a sidenote: on NPR this morning the announcer said that President-elect “Obama took the stage triumphantly.” Obama was not triumphant when he took the stage, he was very serious.
Another sidenote: when mccain mentioned President-elect Obama’s name in his concession speech, the crowd booed; when President-elect mentioned mccain and his (Obama’s) respect for mccain’s service, the crowd cheered. Just an example of the difference between the supporters.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:18 amFreedom Rebel Says: I Have A Dream That Our Time For Change Has Come
It’s good to see you. Welcome back. It’s not been the same around here without you.
The college where I teach is mostly African-American. It’s been interesting these last few weeks to watch how this historical election has impacted people who never thought they would see the day where skin color was no longer a barrier to their dreams.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:18 amLOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!!!
God how I love saying that. I’ve heard it so many times.
It just rolls off the tongue.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:18 amHISTORY MADE!
I have so many thoughts, so many posts running through my head, I don’t know if I can unscramble them all, but I will try during the course of this wonderful, hopeful, new day!
HISTORY MADE!
Yesterday, after work, I bought for my wife and I, steak, shrimp, and a bottle of wine, for our upcoming celebration. As our anticipation grew, we sat in front of the living room television, and watched history unfold.
I cried. CRIED! At 11pm when NBC news televised “Barack Obama. 44th President of the United States of America”.
Because I never thought, in my lifetime, we as a country would elect a black man (or woman) as president. Thankfully, I was wrong.
HISTORY MADE!
My wife told me yesterday that my son wanted Obama to win so that the country can finally place a picture of a black man next to the 43 previous presidents, who are white. My son is 6!
I am a proud father, indeed!
HISTORY MADE!
This morning, in the shower (of all places), I got choked up again, thinking about what we as a nation just witnessed.
A black man, unanimously elected president. Millions of young voters making a difference.
I can honestly say, from the deepest point in my soul, I have never been more proud to be an American, then Nov.5th, 2008!
HISTORY MADE!
November 5th, 2008 at 9:21 ammcmetal — Minnesota is not to be mocked. I am going to hold my breath until you take that back!
November 5th, 2008 at 9:24 amAnoka County, MIchelle Bachmann’s power base, has a high concentration of dumb rednecks.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:26 amAnyone else notice that Obama’s speech was missing the words ‘I’ and ‘me’?
His speech was about We The People. I am once again hopeful.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:27 amI am so thrilled I don’t have to hear “My friends” being said any more , nor “the scars to prove it” , ad nauseam ; otherwise , I could very well have gone postal ………
November 5th, 2008 at 9:27 amYOU SHOULD LEARN HOW TO WIN ELECTIONS!!!!!
We should take notes on how this was done.
Grassroots defeats the Corporate Lobbyists!
Democracy at it’s finest!!
November 5th, 2008 at 9:27 amtom Says:
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mcmetal — Minnesota is not to be mocked. I am going to hold my breath until you take that back!
November 5th, 2008 at 9:24 am
I’m making a call to Canada right now , to see if they’ll offer a bid for it …………….
November 5th, 2008 at 9:28 amDRxJ Says:
A black man, unanimously elected president.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:21 am
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I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a 538-0 victory in the Electoral College.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:28 amsorry toast.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:31 amDamn work affecting coherent rants and raves.
Although, 538-0 would have been pretty damn cool.
Wednesday, November 5th, 2008
Friends,
Who among us is not at a loss for words? Tears pour out. Tears of joy. Tears of relief. A stunning, whopping landslide of hope in a time of deep despair.
In a nation that was founded on genocide and then built on the backs of slaves, it was an unexpected moment, shocking in its simplicity: Barack Obama, a good man, a black man, said he would bring change to Washington, and the majority of the country liked that idea. The racists were present throughout the campaign and in the voting booth. But they are no longer the majority, and we will see their flame of hate fizzle out in our lifetime.
There was another important “first” last night. Never before in our history has an avowed anti-war candidate been elected president during a time of war. I hope President-elect Obama remembers that as he considers expanding the war in Afghanistan. The faith we now have will be lost if he forgets the main issue on which he beat his fellow Dems in the primaries and then a great war hero in the general election: The people of America are tired of war. Sick and tired. And their voice was loud and clear yesterday.
It’s been an inexcusable 44 years since a Democrat running for president has received even just 51% of the vote. That’s because most Americans haven’t really liked the Democrats. They see them as rarely having the guts to get the job done or stand up for the working people they say they support. Well, here’s their chance. It has been handed to them, via the voting public, in the form of a man who is not a party hack, not a set-for-life Beltway bureaucrat. Will he now become one of them, or will he force them to be more like him? We pray for the latter.
But today we celebrate this triumph of decency over personal attack, of peace over war, of intelligence over a belief that Adam and Eve rode around on dinosaurs just 6,000 years ago. What will it be like to have a smart president? Science, banished for eight years, will return. Imagine supporting our country’s greatest minds as they seek to cure illness, discover new forms of energy, and work to save the planet. I know, pinch me.
We may, just possibly, also see a time of refreshing openness, enlightenment and creativity. The arts and the artists will not be seen as the enemy. Perhaps art will be explored in order to discover the greater truths. When FDR was ushered in with his landslide in 1932, what followed was Frank Capra and Preston Sturgis, Woody Guthrie and John Steinbeck, Dorothea Lange and Orson Welles. All week long I have been inundated with media asking me, “gee, Mike, what will you do now that Bush is gone?” Are they kidding? What will it be like to work and create in an environment that nurtures and supports film and the arts, science and invention, and the freedom to be whatever you want to be? Watch a thousand flowers bloom! We’ve entered a new era, and if I could sum up our collective first thought of this new era, it is this: Anything Is Possible.
An African American has been elected President of the United States! Anything is possible! We can wrestle our economy out of the hands of the reckless rich and return it to the people. Anything is possible! Every citizen can be guaranteed health care. Anything is possible! We can stop melting the polar ice caps. Anything is possible! Those who have committed war crimes will be brought to justice. Anything is possible.
We really don’t have much time. There is big work to do. But this is the week for all of us to revel in this great moment. Be humble about it. Do not treat the Republicans in your life the way they have treated you the past eight years. Show them the grace and goodness that Barack Obama exuded throughout the campaign. Though called every name in the book, he refused to lower himself to the gutter and sling the mud back. Can we follow his example? I know, it will be hard.
I want to thank everyone who gave of their time and resources to make this victory happen. It’s been a long road, and huge damage has been done to this great country, not to mention to many of you who have lost your jobs, gone bankrupt from medical bills, or suffered through a loved one being shipped off to Iraq. We will now work to repair this damage, and it won’t be easy.
But what a way to start! Barack Hussein Obama, the 44th President of the United States. Wow. Seriously, wow.
Yours,
November 5th, 2008 at 9:31 amMichael Moore
MichaelMoore.com
MMFlint@aol.com
One-size-fits-all response to all the hate and fear filled trolls:
PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
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November 5th, 2008 at 9:34 amRanting Tommy on piano: http://www.reverbnation.com/ere
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My children have the misfortune to live in Bachmann’s district, and at my daughter’s school, and the local high school, they had their mock elections. McCain won by 1 percentage point.
There is a lot of old conservative money (all the people who fled the cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul for the lily-white suburbs) in Bachmann’s district who fear change and would rather vote for McCarthy-esque tactics over the fear of a ‘different’ America.
That the election was so close speaks of a change, however… a change for the better.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:35 amI can imagine this is the same feeling the French felt when France was finally liberated from the Nazi’s.
What a night. What an even better morning!
Congrats President Elect Obama, and Vice President Elect Joe Biden!
November 5th, 2008 at 9:39 amGood morning America!
November 5th, 2008 at 9:39 amLand of the Free, Home of the Brave.
I’m going out and be nice to everybody.
It’s morning in America.
I could go on for posts about the triumphant results, but no longer will we have to be locked in back-and-forth pissing matches between a current president so consumed with deflecting all public concern and the basement trolls who vouch for him.
The presidency is coming back. It’s going to be a methodical road to solve the problems facing us. The GOP, a third party, need not get in our way.
Voting is one thing – I’m glad I did it. But those who worked on the ground turning out people — Freedom Rebel, for example, did her work by offering rides to people without transportation, bless her heart — thank you for toiling and inspiring. You were fulfilling Barack Obama’s vision of a country looking out for the common man before he was even elected. The national spirit hopefully will change. That means I also need to walk the talk and look for volunteer opportunities in my own community. I need to be a part of fulfilling Obama’s vision. Multiple acts of kindness leads to a lifetime of happiness.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:40 amI wonder how many “loyal Bushies” in the Department of Justice are sending out resumes?
November 5th, 2008 at 9:42 amWith over 90 percent of precincts reporting, California’s ban on gay marriage looks likely to pass, up 51.9 to 48.1 percent. Speaking to opponents of the measure last night, San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom refused to give up hope. “Tonight, we await a verdict,” he said, adding, “I’m crossing my fingers.”
I am dismayed and shocked. How could a state so loyally blue allow itself to be overcome by fundies? Suppressing a certain population will do nothing to protect and enhance the quality of life.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:43 amMy, how quickly my neighbors are at pulling up the McCain yardsigns.
So many were gone before sunrise.
And I have had my bumper sticker on my tailgate, affixed permanantly, where it will stay.
I’m loving it.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:43 amWhoa!
Who is mocking MN? Where are you from? Who represents you? What do you know?
You are an idiot!
November 5th, 2008 at 9:44 amI’m wondering how many Bushies have put their visas in their coat pocket.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:45 amJust for the record, I am from Michigan.
Yesterday, we passed Proposal 1 (Restricted Medical Marijuana usage). Proposal 2 (Less restriction on stem cell research).
57% of the votes went to Barack Obama.
Levin (D) won as an incumbent.
Wow. My home state is becoming more progressive!
November 5th, 2008 at 9:46 amToday is my birthday. I’m 53 today, and I just voted in my ninth presidential election.
And I just got the best birthday present of my lifetime. Thank you, America!
November 5th, 2008 at 9:48 amMcWars, there is a growing “evangelical” movement here in California. Theirs is the neo-con, neo-Christian movement. They are well-orgainized, well-funded, and patient. The stuff of Palin’s church are standard fare to them.
But now, the Light has been shown upon them and their intolerant ideology. Last time around, the “gay marriage ban” garnered some 66% support. This time, 51%.
Hopefully, this one will be struck down by the Courts as well.
The day will come when all are seen as equals.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:51 ammisshusseinmolly,
November 5th, 2008 at 9:51 amHappy Birthday!
What a joyous, and wonderful present!
Happy birthday misshusseinmolly,
I saw my great aunt at my grandmother’s funeral 2 weeks ago.
She’s 78 and was SO excited to see my Obama bumper sticker, she grabbed my by the arm and whispered she was tickled pink cause she was about to vote in her FIRST PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION and couldn’t believe she found another Obama supporter in our highly conservative family.
This was a history making election on many levels.
Thank you Obama.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:52 amTo the Democratic party. Yes Joe LIEberman should be stripped of his committee chairmanship but don’t stop there, strip Reid of his majority leadership role and replace him with Patrick Leahy. While your at it please remove Nancy Pelosi as speaker of the house and replace her with say…Dennis Kucinich.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:52 amI realized after Obama’s win that I cannot use his victory as as merely a one-up against the GOP. I cannot treat this as the same back-and-forth, tit for tat. As I stood in line to vote, a very nice lady was putting up McCain signs outside the polling booth. After she bid me good morning I took that as a reminder that republicans on the ground cannot be shunned because they are republicans – I don’t mind that they stick to their principles. We have to ask for them to join us for a common purpose and shared sacrifice. The extremists, of course, need to slink away, but I took this as a lesson of drawing a distinction.
As for non-progressive commentators, normally referred to as trolls (except the hit-and-run types with no substance, aka John Kerry), please join us. We have big problems to solve. If you like the GOP in general, fine. But you have to admit the Bush GOP has been an abysmal failure.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:57 amCongrats, DRxJ, as a Michigan ex-pat, I’m happy to see the Great Lakes state emerging from the ravages of the Engler mis-administration.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:57 amI don’t suppose there’s anything that can be done about the weather, huh?…
Thanks for all your contributions here.
Sending you some warm New Mexico (blue skies, blue state) sunshine!
I suspect that a victory for Proposition 8 in California will be a pyrrhic one, just as the Dred Scott case was for slavery interests a century and a half ago (and we all know how that turned out).
If Proposition 8 passes, it will be the first time a state has made marriages illegal that were once legal. The fundies may celebrate, but the issue will be far from over.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:57 amAs a Minnesotan I am not happy with the re-election of Michele Bachmann but the final results were close. Perhaps if she would have made her assinine comments on Hardball a bit earlier it would have costed her.
She comes from a huge district that stretches from Hugo, MN, to Buffalo, Mn and reaches up to St. Cloud and as someone stated above, lots of wealthy conservatives live in her district along with lots of bible bangers and rural area rednecks.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:00 am#18 unbelievable Says:
Freedom Rebel Says: I Have A Dream That Our Time For Change Has Come
It’s good to see you. Welcome back. It’s not been the same around here without you.
The college where I teach is mostly African-American. It’s been interesting these last few weeks to watch how this historical election has impacted people who never thought they would see the day where skin color was no longer a barrier to their dreams.
Good morning unbelievable :) I have missed you and reading your posts.
You are in a unique position to see the wonder and hope they must feel. What an incredible experience to be a part of. I watched last night Rev. Jesse Jackson cry, and it made me cry even harder. I’m so glad that my generation was able to witness this and that our children will grow up in a different world than my parents. My daughter turned 20 this year, she is my oldest, this was her first Presidential election to vote in. To have it be so historical is something she told me she would never forget.
Have a wonderful day :)
November 5th, 2008 at 10:00 amI am so happy we won. I truly believe that an Obama Presidency is going to transform this country. And I ask his naysayers here on this blog to give him some time before you start your criticism..I just wish we had taken more Senate seats. I’m worried about Merkely here in Oregon. Oh well, I hope the Dems make them actually filibuster if they want to try it. Hopefully a new set of balls for Congress came with Obama.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:01 amThe Republicans are going to be taking a long, hard look at what their party needs to do to become relevant again.
I would suggest they quit electing people like Michelle Bachmann and Virgil Goode. Getting rid of those who only promote hatred (and idiocy) would be a good start toward remodeling their image.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:02 amHere in MA, we struck down the repeal of the income tax, decriminalized less than an ounce of weed, and banned greyhound racing (the first state to do so!). And, of course, Democrats elected all around. What a good day.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:04 amDidHeJustSayThat Says:
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MCMetal Says:
Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) declared victory…
Sen. Norm Coleman is leading Democratic challenger Al Franken in Minnesota’s U.S. Senate…
See why you’re mocked , people of Alaska and Minnesota ?
Fu(king morons ……….
Whoa!
Who is mocking MN? Where are you from? Who represents you? What do you know?
You are an idiot!
November 5th, 2008 at 9:44 am
I’m not represented by a religious imbecile who believes that anyone in the US government who is not part of the horseshit Republican , should be investigated , @sshole………….
You proud of her , dipshit ?
November 5th, 2008 at 10:05 amThanks for that informative post, BnF!
Hopefully, this one will be struck down by the Courts as well.
The day will come when all are seen as equals.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Is it possible to introduce a proposition to strike down a passed proposition? Is it possible the California Supreme Court ruling permitting gay marriages could trump a passed proposition?
November 5th, 2008 at 10:05 amBriseadh na Faire Says:
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McWars, there is a growing “evangelical” movement here in California. Theirs is the neo-con, neo-Christian movement. They are well-orgainized, well-funded, and patient. The stuff of Palin’s church are standard fare to them.
But now, the Light has been shown upon them and their intolerant ideology. Last time around, the “gay marriage ban” garnered some 66% support. This time, 51%.
Hopefully, this one will be struck down by the Courts as well.
The day will come when all are seen as equals.
**Many of my neighbors are Morman and every day I have had to walk past a line of Yes on 8 line of yard signs. Thank you for your message of hope. What I am having trouble with is how the evangelicals have joined the Catholics and Mormons to defeat a civil rights issue. Politics do, indeed, make strange bedfellows since fundamentalists generally don’t work with ANYONE who doesn’t believe in their skewed views of “being good Christians.” Let’s hope the courts rescue us!
November 5th, 2008 at 10:05 amGood morning everybody and what a day it is!
Zooey, it looks like we both got the best belated birthday gift we could have hoped for!
Having a little trouble putting my feelings into words this morning so instead I offer a few timely quotes from some who have said it better than I could:
“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness] it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government…”
“Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.”
-Thomas Jefferson
“There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure.”
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
“Fear is the main source of superstition, and one of the main sources of cruelty. To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom.
-Bertrand Russell
“We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men.”
-Edward R. Murrow
“The best way to enhance freedom in other lands is to demonstrate here that our democratic system is worthy of emulation.”
-Jimmy Carter
This election has sent a bold message to the free world and our enemies that Americans refute the campaigns of fear that have dominated the Republican message and slowed progress within our Nation throughout the Bush/Cheney Administration and are prepared for a future ruled by intelligence and integrity. The world will once again see America as a country of progressive ideals, of true strength and power, of scientific achievment and no longer represented by blustering war mongers, neoconservatives and corporations/industries that care more about capitalizing on that fear and war than for their Country and it’s people. We are once again a Nation “of the people, by the people and for the people”! Heartfelt congratulations to President Obama and his worthy Vice President Joe Biden. Come January the adults will resume the reins of this great Nation and the far right wing will gleefully be relegated to the garbage heap.
How was last night for a MANDATE trolls…trolls?
November 5th, 2008 at 10:06 am#25 MCMetal Says:
I am so thrilled I don’t have to hear “My friends” being said any more , nor “the scars to prove it” , ad nauseam ; otherwise , I could very well have gone postal ………
Good Morning McMetal :) I couldn’t agree with you more. It made me ill everytime I heard those lines… He kept making it sound like he was the only one that ever sacrificed for his country. And don’t forget POW… Good riddance to all of it..
November 5th, 2008 at 10:06 ammaple25 Says:
Here in MA, we struck down the repeal of the income tax, decriminalized less than an ounce of weed, and banned greyhound racing (the first state to do so!). And, of course, Democrats elected all around. What a good day.
Long live Massachusetts! What a great state!
November 5th, 2008 at 10:08 am#38 BnF
I haven’t seen you for a while — good to see your post.
EVERYONE! THIS IS A GREAT DAY FOR AMERICA.
We saw history being made. Save your newspapers. Fifty years fom now, those yellowed pages will be of more value than electronic copies.
I am still unable to comprehend all that this means.
76 more days until Obama is in the Oval Office.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:10 amFreedom Rebel Says:
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#25 MCMetal Says:
I am so thrilled I don’t have to hear “My friends” being said any more , nor “the scars to prove it” , ad nauseam ; otherwise , I could very well have gone postal ………
Good Morning McMetal :) I couldn’t agree with you more. It made me ill everytime I heard those lines… He kept making it sound like he was the only one that ever sacrificed for his country. And don’t forget POW… Good riddance to all of it..
November 5th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Yet, monumental stupidity is embodied and lives on in those who were retarded enough to re-elect religious moron Bachmann and d0uchebag Coleman in Minnesota , and a CONVICTED FELON in Stevens in Alaska……….
November 5th, 2008 at 10:12 amWTF Rahm!?
November 5th, 2008 at 10:12 amSo we’re over that Tim Mahoney thing?
Ok, I have to say it. Am I the only one who thought that Michele Obama’s dress reminded me of a black widow spider?
What was she thinking? Oh well, it’s a very small thing in a moment of history making and joy.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:12 amHappy Birthday misshusseinmolly! I was wondering what all that ruccus was in the streets! I whole heartedly agree…BEST.BIRTHDAY.EVER!
November 5th, 2008 at 10:14 amVery fitting at #3, Dr. Matt. Thanks.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:16 amAmendment 2 passed in Florida. Damnit!
November 5th, 2008 at 10:17 amHappy birthday misshusseinmolly!
November 5th, 2008 at 10:17 am#38 Briseadh na Faire Says:
I wonder how many “loyal Bushies” in the Department of Justice are sending out resumes?
Good Morning BNF :) LOL. I wanted to say that was an incredible post you did over at the Zoo, before the election.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:20 amI’m making a call to Canada right now , to see if they’ll offer a bid for it …………….
Absolutely not. You can keep it and Ol Shelly baby all to yourselves.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:23 am#44 misshusseinmolly Says:
Today is my birthday. I’m 53 today, and I just voted in my ninth presidential election.
And I just got the best birthday present of my lifetime. Thank you, America!
Good morning misshusseinmolly :) Happy Birthday!
November 5th, 2008 at 10:24 amHAPPY BIRTHDAY, MISS MOLLY!!
We go you something very nice. :-)
November 5th, 2008 at 10:25 amSo a convicted felon can’t work at circle K, can’t get an apartment, but can still become a United States Senator? What’s wrong here?
Alaska looks real dumb. But they always have been, and now have shown the world how dumb they are.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:29 amMugsy Says
November 5th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Out of curiosity, can anyone tell me the results of the military vote?
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I can’t shed any light on the military vote as a whole, or what the results are from those serving overseas, but I can tell you about military counties here in my state.
Here in North Carolina, we have Fort Bragg, a large Army base in Cumberland County. Cumberland County voted 59% for Obama.
We also have Camp Lejeune, a large Marine Corps base in Onslow County. Onslow County voted 60% for McCain.
Both counties have a very heavy military population — with military personnel, their families, and businesses dependent on the military pretty much dominating the electorate. So it appears to be split.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:30 amTim Mahoney got rightfully smoked last night ; Stevens got re-elected.
And Bible Spice , between tears , is wondering why the American people didn’t buy her little speech exonerating herself from abusing her power , even if Alaskans are that gullible and stupid ?
So Palin is some squeaky-clean reformer, who took on corruption in Alaska, and will help to bring a new brand of politics to Washington ?????
That why she’s been a Stevens backer for years ?
November 5th, 2008 at 10:31 am#65 MCMetal Says:
Yet, monumental stupidity is embodied and lives on in those who were retarded enough to re-elect religious moron Bachmann and d0uchebag Coleman in Minnesota , and a CONVICTED FELON in Stevens in Alaska……….
I couldn’t believe that she won and that Alaskans are backing Stevens only because of all the Federal Money he brought to Alaska. In his case, they only voted for their self-interest and not on principal. Truly sad..
Reid isn’t going to let him serve in the Senate, so they are going to have to pick someone else for his seat. I don’t know who that is going to be, do you?
November 5th, 2008 at 10:34 amSo, I guess my vote in the blue state of Massachusetts, for Green candidate, McKinney didn’t turn the election — after all
November 5th, 2008 at 10:37 amFor the first time in a while, I am speechless. We now have a chance to make America great again.
Cheers to all who have been a part of this. My college kids have really gotten an education over the last 8 years culminating in a rebuf of all that has transpired.
I apologized to them for our generation failing so badly and told them that Barak is their president for their future.
Life in America is starting to look up for a change.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:38 amFreedom Rebel Says:
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#65 MCMetal Says:
Yet, monumental stupidity is embodied and lives on in those who were retarded enough to re-elect religious moron Bachmann and d0uchebag Coleman in Minnesota , and a CONVICTED FELON in Stevens in Alaska……….
I couldn’t believe that she won and that Alaskans are backing Stevens only because of all the Federal Money he brought to Alaska. In his case, they only voted for their self-interest and not on principal. Truly sad..
Reid isn’t going to let him serve in the Senate, so they are going to have to pick someone else for his seat. I don’t know who that is going to be, do you?
November 5th, 2008 at 10:34 am
I’ve read in various places , that certain circumstances/scenarios , could result in a run-off for his Senate seat (not sure how accurate any of that is).
I’ve also read , unfortunately , that Bible Spice will appoint his successor ; and , even worse , that she will appoint herself ………….
November 5th, 2008 at 10:38 amIn defense of Minnesota –
Bachmann represents ONE very conservative district. She is an embarrassment to most Minnesotans and if she were up for statewide vote (before her Hardball interview she was being groomed as a possible challenger to Amy Klobuchar in 2012) she’d get creamed.
I’m at a loss regarding Coleman. He’s presented himself as a centrist and the repubs ran some of the nastiest, most dishonest ads against Franken I’ve ever see. And they ran A LOT of them, huge broadcast buys. And still, right now the margin is fewer than 500 votes out of almost 3 million cast. It’ll trigger an automatic recount.
Don’t forget, Minnesota brought the country one of its greatest senators, Paul Wellstone. Keith Ellison, the US Congress’ only Muslim legislator, won his district in a landslide. Klobuchar is pretty liberal and very popular. My district sent Betty McCollum back with a landslde victory. There are others worth boasting about. It’s unfair to smear the state because of one extremely conservative district.
It’s expected that after the 2010 census MN will lose an electoral vote. Maybe when districts are redrawn we can carve up that district and reduce its influence.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:40 amLet the fun begin!
This morning, I got an email from a friend that included all republicans and 1 democrat (me!).
It was a dum bass proclamation on how to be a good Democrat (support abortion but not the death penalty, entitlement to the lazy, bigger government…blah blah blah).
I responded to all, in my not so subtle (non smart-ass way): HOW TO BE A GOOD REPUBLICAN – LEARN NOT TO BE A SORE LOSER!
Wow, did that send a wave of hateful responses.
My two favorites so far.
1) It was all in good fun (Oh really? Sending a derogatory email about a false perception of the left the morning after a landslide victory, is fun? But my response is not?)
2) At least we didn’t riot and demand a recount (WTF does that even mean?)
Ahhhh well, so much for unity, at least amongst my friends.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:41 amBillJ-MN Says:
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It’s unfair to smear the state because of one extremely conservative district.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Norm Colonblow didn’t win Minnesota because of 1 district ………
November 5th, 2008 at 10:46 amMCMetal Says:
Norm Colonblow didn’t win Minnesota because of 1 district ………
November 5th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Or one vote…
The sun is shining brighter today, let’s enjoy it!
November 5th, 2008 at 10:49 am#37 McWars Says:
It’s morning in America.
Good Morning McWars :) You are such a sweetheart!! Thank you for the compliment…. It is a dawning of a new day. One that many of us have looked forward to for a very long time. It has been a rough 8 years. I am hoping that Congress lives up to our expectations in the future also.
Have a wonderful day!! Good to see you as always..
November 5th, 2008 at 10:50 amI think anyone would have to be almost insane to be president after the colossal mess BushCo created. But we will see. I have doubts. I offer my congratulations to Obama — He wasn’t my candidate — I have been called every name in the book — and on this board. A bigot. Racist. By people that don’t even know me. Funny. By the way and for the record I am a man. I was named after Kay Kyser of Swing (my parents loved swing)
Good luck Obama. You are going to need it.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:51 amNevar says:
I don’t suppose there’s anything that can be done about the weather, huh?…
Thanks for all your contributions here.
Sending you some warm New Mexico (blue skies, blue state) sunshine!
Hey Nevar! We’ve had temps in the low 70’s the last 3 days. Unheard of this time of year!
November 5th, 2008 at 10:51 amAnd congrats on your blue state status!
#82 MCMetal Says:
I’ve read in various places , that certain circumstances/scenarios , could result in a run-off for his Senate seat (not sure how accurate any of that is).
I’ve also read , unfortunately , that Bible Spice will appoint his successor ; and , even worse , that she will appoint herself ………….
Thanks McMetal :)
November 5th, 2008 at 10:53 amPresident Obama…it even sounds good rolling off the tongue.
Congratulations, America! Now the real work begins.
On an aside, I don’t blame certain posters here for slamming MN this morning; I’m as embarrassed as anyone that Coleman and Bachmann are going back to D.C.
That being said, trust us that none of us voted for either. Bachmann’s not in my district & of course Franken got my vote.
But, as I said above, the real work begins now and alienating or using a broad brush to slam people who are not ‘the problem’ is not the way to begin anew. Take it out on the redneck vote or liv’s; they have it coming.
Just don’t throw all of us under the bus when we weren’t even at the station.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:54 amNorm Colonblow didn’t win Minnesota because of 1 district ……… – McMetal
And he hasn’t necessarily won yet.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:55 amZooey Says:
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MCMetal Says:
Norm Colonblow didn’t win Minnesota because of 1 district ………
November 5th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Or one vote…
The sun is shining brighter today, let’s enjoy it!
November 5th, 2008 at 10:49 am
1 vote in the Senate in either direction means an awful lot , hon ……….
Especially to and for our new Democratic President elect.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:59 amBillJ-MN Says:
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Norm Colonblow didn’t win Minnesota because of 1 district ……… – McMetal
And he hasn’t necessarily won yet.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:55 am
The desperate religious fundies/GOP will ensure that he will ………
November 5th, 2008 at 10:59 amHello, everyone! And it *IS* a VERY good morning!!!!!
I worked a 16 hour day yesterday in a small precinct in the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles, CA.
WE HAD A 78% TURNOUT.
78%.
And MissMolly? My birthday was Oct. 30 – and I too got the only birthday present I really wanted. Happy birthday to ALL OF US!!!
Peace,
November 5th, 2008 at 11:00 am~A
Kay Says:
You were pretty abrasive yourself so don’t try to act the victim….you know who does that.
You gave as good as you got. You were just out of time and space.
Now all of those things you were so concerned about when we were trying to wrest power out of the hands of the gop can actually be addressed. Your welcome. Too bad you can’t feel like you contributed to advancing our country.
November 5th, 2008 at 11:01 amDRxJ Says:
“Just for the record, I am from Michigan.
Yesterday, we passed Proposal 1 (Restricted Medical Marijuana usage). Proposal 2 (Less restriction on stem cell research).
57% of the votes went to Barack Obama.
Levin (D) won as an incumbent.
Wow. My home state is becoming more progressive!”
Greetings, fellow Michigander! It’s a beautiful day in the Great Lake State and across the country!
Yes, I was pleasantly surprised that both props passed. Didn’t expect it. The icing on the cake was Tim Walberg getting a good swift kick in the arse. Good riddance, ya bum!
Too bad about Tinklenberg. Unbelievable! To think I almost took a job in St. Cloud about 15 yrs ago…
November 5th, 2008 at 11:02 amBeautiful country, stupid peeps!
Dr.Matt, I agree.
Although these are still my friends, and always will be, there are times the debates can get heated.
What really annoys me is the “gang mentality”. Having to have a majority (in person, or in email) before they say anything.
I for one am proud to defend my beliefs, when warranted, whether I have back up or not.
I am also proud that I don’t have to gloat and/or push my beliefs on others who may not agree, especially when I have the number advantage.
But then again, I guess that’s what makes me a progressive!
November 5th, 2008 at 11:04 amGood Morning America!
a huge load has lifted… but there is so much more to do…
least of which is getting to January 20 Inauguration Day.
meantime, thanks to everyone who helped and hoped!
WE DID IT! YES WE DID!!!
November 5th, 2008 at 11:06 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
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MCMetal,
I’ve always loved your tenacity, brother. We’ve traveled the same interweb turf for years now and been kicked off some of the same sites :) ….let’s enjoy this moment for now…. Today is a new day.
November 5th, 2008 at 11:02 am
No
Januray 21st , 2009 , is a new day ; until then , I will be on guard and vigilant.
I simply do not trust anything GOP after the past 8 years ; not their politicians , nor their idiot backers……..
November 5th, 2008 at 11:07 amFreedom Rebel Says:
I Have A Dream That Our Time For Change Has Come
Good morning Freb. How are you? It’s a great day huh? :)
November 5th, 2008 at 11:10 amToo bad you can’t feel like you contributed to advancing our country.
So, when King Barack voted for FISA 2008 : that’s advancing America?
So, when King Barack voted for the $700BILLION+ BAILOUT that’s advancing the country?
SO, when King Barack embeds us in Afghansistan and wastes more precious money that’s advancing this country?
I give it 6-12 when the bloom will start to fade on this man. He will surround him self with traitors like Colib Bowel and the like.
Barack Obama is a good man that will be allowed him self to sawllowed up by greed and power and he won’t wont to give up the Bush Unitary Presidency.
As a constitutional scholar he sure should have know better about FISA. I tried to be nice. Mark my words. King Barack will be fascism — but fasicm with a smily face.
November 5th, 2008 at 11:13 amNorm Colonblow didn’t win Minnesota because of 1 district ……… – McMetal
And he hasn’t necessarily won yet. – BillJ-MN
The desperate religious fundies/GOP will ensure that he will ……… – McMetal
They don’t have that much power in MN, outside of Bachmann’s district. Gov Pawlenty and Coleman had to paint themselves as centrists to be elected (and, to be fair, Pawlenty really is closer to the center). The recounts will take place by hand according to established rules on the local levels. There really isn’t much room in the process to inject partisan fundies into the process.
In honesty, I’m pessimistic about Franken’s chances, but it’s not unreasonable to believe a significant swing could take place.
November 5th, 2008 at 11:14 ami just found out – “d0uche” must be filter bait.
November 5th, 2008 at 11:15 amand if i NEVER hear or see the name “Ralph Nader” [last time for me]
it will be too soon:
Nov 5, 2008 … [d0uche bag] Asks: Obama – Uncle Sam Or Uncle Tom?
http://www.perspectives.com/ forums/ view_topic.php?id=191556&forum_id=4
i heard about this on stephanie miller just now…
a quick google search delivered that familiar source on the first page and that’s as far as i’m looking.
just thought it was necessary to inform.
lot of fallen heroes these days…
November 5th, 2008 at 11:15 amCongratulations, World!
November 5th, 2008 at 11:21 amCongratulations, USA!
November 5th, 2008 at 11:21 amHey, just curious. How soon during Obama’s presidency, when he does something positive, or the result of his policy does something positive for the country, will the right credit Bush?
I mean, it’s pretty clear from the Repugs playbook!
Clinton positives = due to Reagan (and possibly Bush Sr).
November 5th, 2008 at 11:25 amBush negatives = due to Clinton.
I had the smugness last night to finally watch a Fox News broadcast (since 9/11/01).
November 5th, 2008 at 11:31 amFirst off, Brit Hume looked like a defeated man! HEH!
Second, Karl Rove, while trying to explain the failures of the GOP this year, danced around the prospect of McCain not distancing himself far enough from Bush, by saying that his buddy had a higher approval rating than the Democratically controlled congress (**cough** **cough** **Bull$hit!** **cough**).
He also stated how Dumbya had created a surplus of jobs after the trough recession he had inherited from Clinton.
It’s then when I had to turn the channel and focus my attention on MSNBC.
FOX NEWS. NOT fair and balanced. Forever and ever. Amen.
With over 90 percent of precincts reporting, California’s ban on gay marriage looks likely to pass, up 51.9 to 48.1 percent.
Civil rights…..women’s rights…..an African-American president…..Next stop, equal right for gay people….Until that happens, we are still not a country of true equality….I hope I can see my daughter marry before I die.
November 5th, 2008 at 11:42 am#105 Exit Stage Left Says:
Freedom Rebel Says:
I Have A Dream That Our Time For Change Has Come
Good morning Freb. How are you? It’s a great day huh? :)
Good Morning Exit Stage Left :) I have missed you. The morning couldn’t be brighter.. We are having an absolutely gorgeous day in sunny Blue Ohio.
I never lost faith in this state,even with the videos circulating around that showed some pretty disturbing footage at McCain/Palin rallies here. We have a number of democratic strongholds in this state. Yea! Your state turned Blue also this election. I bet you are happy to see that!
I hope all is well with you!
November 5th, 2008 at 12:14 pmCA Prop 8 “Amends the California constitution to specify that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.”
US Constitution, Article IV, Section 1:
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
Prop 8 would be unconstitutional, as it says that the state would not recognize the public acts of another state.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:21 pmI have seen the demographics in the exit polls. However, we are to blame for the apparent passage of Proposition 8. We failed to get the necessary support to defeat this amendment. We were not outspent — We were out-organized!
http://www.tips-q.com/content/we-start-pointing-fingers
November 5th, 2008 at 1:09 pmtips,
You also had people from outside your state spending money to defeat a proposal that did not directly affect them. That should not be legal, as they would have no legal standing to challenge it in court. Proposition 8 is unconstitutional anyway, so it will get overturned. In fact, I would not be surprised if the ACLU is already getting an injunction to have it stayed pending judicial review.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:14 pmSo, when King Barack voted for the FISA Amendment 2008 (virtually gutting the 4th Amendment): that’s advancing America?
So, when King Barack voted for the $700BILLION+ Bailout:
that’s advancing the country?
SO, when King Barack embeds us in Afghansistan under this “fake war on terror” and wastes more precious money for our infrastructure and civilian economy: that’s advancing this country?
I give it 6-12 months when the bloom will start to fade on this man. He will surround him self with traitors like Colin Bowel and the like.
Barack Obama is a good man that will be allowed himself to be swallowed up by greed and power and he won’t want to give up the Bush Unitary Presidency.
As a constitutional scholar, he sure should have know better about FISA. I tried to be nice. Mark my words. King Barack will be fascism — but fasicm with a smiley face.
I don’t have any delusions about Obama. Of course at the end of the day it’s better than McCain but it’s still trampling on the Constitution but let’s do it with a smile.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:45 pmKay Says:
I don’t visualize you with a smile. You seem hopeless and angry to me. Please smoke a j or drink a beer.
You just quoted your own entire post and added one paragraph, do you realize that?
The kink Barak stuff is offensive by the way.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:34 pmshould have been king
November 5th, 2008 at 2:34 pmKay @ 121:
Some very valid fears. I will not go so far as to automatically call Obama a fascist yet, that’s a bit unfair, but should we remain diligent citizens? Of course. The FISA vote was a real downer for me too. I am hoping that a correction will come out of the next Congress. I gave Obama the benefit of the doubt on this, in that it was a political move that kept him from having to defend his patriotism and backbone in the “war on terror”. Hope it was not wishful thinking.
On Afghanistan, I think you have to hope that he will listen to Patreaus, who does know how to fight guerilla wars. He has been the difference in Iraq, not the surge. Its his new tactics, the Sunni Awakening, and the quiet (for now) Shiites. The promise that Obama needs to keep, and one which I feel will have a significant effect on our mid-east policies is to get OBL. He can gut the morale of the terrorists, lower recruiting, and stop the feeling of inevitability they portray.
I am as excited as most here on the message that this election sends and the hope it brings to Americans, and the world, but now its on the the much more difficult job of dealing with the consequences of the Bush’s regime’s half-actions.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:37 pmAs for Lieberman, Obama needs to step up, get involved in this, and make a statement that Democrats need to stick together. We do not need Leiberman now, he made his bed, and needs to lie in it. No pun intended.
I am from a state with a Democratic Rep and Senator. They are blue dogs, and vote with Republicans far too often. They sold out on several Democratic party issues, and they need to get the message that the party is important, and its values are important.
What the weak-kneed Reid does will set a tone for much future legislation. Reid, get rid of Lieberman.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:48 pmFred,
How come you don’t address any of the specific things that Obama has done? Like FISA? Like the $700B+ Bailout?
I don’t need false stimulants to feel good. Maybe you do. I am reading “Give me Liberty : a handbook for American revolutionaries”.
Yes, I am aware that “quoted your own entire post and added one paragraph”. The first time I wrote it I wrote it very fast. So I re-wrote it. I don’t really care if you agree with me or not.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:59 pmI am reading “Give me Liberty : a handbook for American revolutionaries”. by Naomi Wolf.
It may come in handy.
Over the next 4 years.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:59 pmKay: You call Colin Powell a traitor, and since you give no reason, may I assume that it was because he lied for Bush about WMDs at the UN? In which case, you should have been reading that book five years ago.
November 5th, 2008 at 7:23 pmthe book was just published last month.
November 6th, 2008 at 8:07 am