Jeb Bush repudiates his brother’s ‘big government’ legacy.
Jeb Bush repudiates his brother’s ‘big government’ legacy.
In 2000, George W. Bush ran for office on a platform of smaller government. But in Bush’s eight years of office, the federal government has seen its most rapid expansion since Franklin Delano Roosevelt implemented the New Deal. Bush’s embrace of so-called “big government conservatism” has long been a burr in the side of conservatives and now his own brother, former Florida governor Jeb Bush, is trashing that legacy:
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said the party should take four primary steps: show no tolerance for corruption, practice what it preaches about limiting the scope of government (“There should not be such a thing as a Big-Government Republican”), stand for working families and small business, and embrace reform.
Bush also touted “limited government” in a recent interview with the Washington Times, telling the paper that it “requires a zeal for reform.”
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Just got back from watching "W" at the theater, so this thread does not surprise me. G.W. really tanked it for Jeb's future in politics. However, I do think that the movie was more than fair to Bush, better than I felt he deserved.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:06 pmJeb is merely upset because his brother has sealed in stone the idea of another Bush in the White House is something that will not occur in this millenium.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:08 pmThis is the BS line we are going to be hearing from the loony right from now on: That George Bush was not Conservative enough! BS! The failures and malfeasance of the Bush regime are the direct result of what Conservatism as a philosophy of government looks like when put into practice. Far from being incompetent, the Bush regime was enormously effective in ramming through a Conservative agenda. They completely mollified and rendered irrelevant the opposition Democrats. On issue after issue, the Bush regime got what it wanted from eviscerating social programs to tax cuts for the rich, crushing labor unions, deregulating corporations, free trade, wars of aggression, you name it, they got it.
Don't let them get away with this charade, Conservatism is a failure, pure and simple.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:09 pmIt never fails to crack me up how much he looks like a grown-up, corporate Butt-head of Beavis & Butt-head fame.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:14 pmToo bad Jeb kept his mouth shut when he could have saved us from the...
Worst! President!! Ever!!!
November 6th, 2008 at 10:16 pmWho cares what Jebus Bush says? I’m more interested in what Not Joe the Not Plumber says NOT.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:17 pmthe party should take four primary steps...
yeeah... 'cept everybody knows it's always OPPOSITE DAY in
November 6th, 2008 at 10:19 pmbushco bizarro world... or republiCON bizarro world...
Still spewing out the corporate BS, huh Jeb? We have not forgotten how you played a very large role in the theft of the 2000 Presidential Election and the consequent Republican fascist coup that paralyzed our so-called "democracy" for at least five years. You and the then Florida Secretary of State, Katherine Harris and some other Republican pigs and criminals threw some 50,000 mostly-African American voters off of the Florida voter rolls because their names resembled a list of TEXAS felons. Heck of a treason, Jeb. When did you crawl of of the fascist slime, Jeh?
November 6th, 2008 at 10:20 pmJeb = BS
Jeb just pissed that the people has taken back their country and White House once and for all. The record numbers of voters completely spanked the GOP's agenda of stealing the election.
Memo to Jeb: Your clown brother's legacy is on life support and will be remembered here and around the world as the worst President ever in the history books. 75 days to go before the germ President leaves office for good.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:26 pmBush (Mmmpfff, sssnnnort) dy (hee,hee, hee) Dynast????
November 6th, 2008 at 10:28 pmHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa (Wiping away tears), can't even Type it! Thanks Georgie, here's another legacy your family will Never Forget!
Impeach, while There's Still Time!!!!!!
dbadass-I hope you are feeling better :)
November 6th, 2008 at 10:28 pmWhat are the odds Jeb would end up on the board of a large, for-profit hospital company that George W. left out of his Hurricane Katrina Lessons Learned report? Tenet Healthcare's Memorial Hospital saw a total of 36 deaths, 24 of them from renter LifeCare Hospitals who had a long term acute care unit within the facility.
Tenet is the ethically challenged proprietary chain. A Bush on board seems symbolic.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:35 pm1. Conservatives aren’t going away. In fact, more than a few of the Republicans in Congress and the Senate who lost were RINO’s, NOT true conservatives. True conservatives never were thrilled with John McCain in the first place. The Republicans who will greet the new President are going to be a lot tougher than the RINO’s.
2. Silver linings dept. - The Dems won’t have a “super-majority” in the U.S. Senate!!!! YEAH! Can you spell FILIBUSTER?
3. Doesn’t look like Al Franken will make it to the U.S. Senate.
4. 2012
November 6th, 2008 at 10:38 pmSure, Jeb, sounds real good. Except for that huge faction of your party that wants nothing more than Jesus, Jesus and more Jesus. And their interpretation of WWJD? Ban abortion, vilify teh gay, blame the economy on minorities and immigrants and welfare recipients.
They love them some Palin, and I, for one, do hope she becomes the face of the future of the GOP. That gift just keeps on giving.
PEACE
November 6th, 2008 at 10:40 pmFamily Values? or Family Dynamics?
Either way....
Oh to be a fly on the wall at the Bush house THIS Thanksgiving
"Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition"
November 6th, 2008 at 10:46 pmI would like Tim Vaculik to define what a 'true conservative' is as Meacham, thread below, defines it as preserving what one has and loves.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:46 pmI am sort of only in that I am not at work. Thanks for the well wishes.
Having lived in a certain town in ME, I am sort of curious why Jeb never came around much. If he wasn't already pissed off them, he surely wnats to joke little Bobby Brady right about now.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:47 pmGuido the Loving OBGYN,
Spoken like a true liberal. Problem is, you're standing on your head and telling the rest of us we're upside down!
REmember, your side has NO use for facts. If facts get in the way of your agenda, then it is the facts that have to be changed to fit your ideology.
You'll fit right in with Obama's new little brown shirt army!
November 6th, 2008 at 10:47 pm"choke" is not a "joke". The other screw ups aren't that bad...them = then, and so on...
November 6th, 2008 at 10:48 pmJeb gave his brother the Flordia vote before the Election so what else would he say.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:52 pmMake no mistake about it. When these people talk about "limited government", they mean "complete de-regulation of businesses."
November 6th, 2008 at 10:52 pmSpoken like a true liberal. Problem is, you’re standing on your head and telling the rest of us we’re upside down! -Tim Vaculik
According to Meacham, thread below, a conservative is someone who wants to preserve what they have and love.
Doesnt then a liberal who wants to preserve what they have and love then become a 'true conservative'?
November 6th, 2008 at 10:54 pmTrue Conservates believe:
- in limited government
- fiscal responsibility
- personal responsibility
- the Constitution as it is written
- the value of liberty and economic freedom
- private property rights
- free enterprise unshackled by overbearing regulation
- a strong national defense
- secure borders
- marriage is between a man and a woman
- freedom to express one's faith in God
Those are but a few...
November 6th, 2008 at 10:55 pmBut Bush loves and wants to preserve his big government, hes a true conservative.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:56 pmTim Vaculik Says (at 13):
1. If they weren't "true Conservatives", then why did the Republican Party nominate them? Could it be that "true Conservatives" no longer have any say in the Republican Party? I would agree. They don't.
2. There are enough moderate republicans in the Senate to help the Democrats get by just fine without former Democrat Joe "Kick Him Out - sign the petition at FDL" Lieberman.
3. There is an automatic recount triggered by law, and it would apply to races nowhere near as close as this one. And don't believe Norm Coleman's desperate gamble, to blame Al Franken for not conceding when he doesn't have to, and his deficit is shrinking by the hour.
4. 2012 - Yes We Can Re-Elect Barack Obama!
November 6th, 2008 at 10:57 pmover at C&L, john's running a story about sending messages to sarah palin... some are worried about schadenfreude, and other wise sounding vindictive and ugly...
i worry about that too... and then a trooll like vaculips shows up...
i would recommend leaving out the hate and violence... don't stoop to HER level...
C&L's Bipartisan Campaign with Michelle Malkin: 'Send a Message to Sarah Palin'
By John Amato Thursday Nov 06, 2008 7:00pm
In an effort to reach out across the aisle and work with Michelle Malkin, I am offering to join in on the "Send a message to Sarah Palin" that she's part of as a way to bridge the gap between our differences.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:58 pm[...]
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/cls-bipartisan-campaign-michelle-malkin
Tim Vaculik Says:
REmember, your side has NO use for facts. If facts get in the way of your agenda, then it is the facts that have to be changed to fit your ideology.
This is what psychologists refer to as "projection" - the tendency to ascribe to others what you hate about yourself.
It is, in fact, conservatives who have been arguing without facts for more than half a century.
Gotta go - TDS!
November 6th, 2008 at 11:00 pmTrue Conservates believe:
- in limited government [didnt happen]
- fiscal responsibility [didnt happen]
- personal responsibility [pointing fingers?]
- the Constitution as it is written [Bush called it GD paper]
- the value of liberty and economic freedom [bigger government]
- private property rights [Yeh right Bush used eminent domain]
- free enterprise unshackled by overbearing regulation [Can you say bailouts? which took your money BTW]
- a strong national defense [the constitution was against this]
- secure borders [the borders have not been secured in eigh years]
- marriage is between a man and a woman [get a divorce and youll soon see its about property and visitation rights/child support, spousal support]
- freedom to express one’s faith in God [YYou are free to express your faith]
Those are but a few… [right]
November 6th, 2008 at 11:00 pmA "true conservative" is an anti-liberal bigot. There's nothing more to it than that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBoOqysiLFo
November 6th, 2008 at 11:01 pmTim Vaculik:
November 6th, 2008 at 11:01 pmI can't help but notice the complete lack of any noble goal relative to the state of the natural systems which sustain all live upon the earth. Might you comment on lack of any direct or implied concern for the environment in your listing of the beliefs of "true conservatives"
Thanks-
I hate it when I don't type correctly... But you get the picture.
Conservatives don't believe in:
- massive government spending, including deficit spending
November 6th, 2008 at 11:04 pm- taking from those who have worked hard and giving it to those who haven't earned it
- undermining the Constitution by judicial fiat
- anything that diminishes individual liberty
- the taking of private property by government regulation
- government meddling in private enterprise
- weakening our national defense
- open borders, including amnesty for illegal aliens
- re-definition of marriage to suit individual preferences
- the removal of God from public discourse and our schools
#24--don't forget to add "pregnant, unwed teen-aged girls" to this list thanks to "true conservative" Sarah Palin. What a joke.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:05 pmSee Tim, we had to have regulation in the markets because humans havent learned how to control greed. Deregulation is like saying your all for Robber Barons.
Free market ideology, which even Greenspan has admitted to be a mistake, has resulted in a massive bailout to the very people who wanted deregulation. And thats a good thing? How is that conservative? Do you love and want to preserve greed?
November 6th, 2008 at 11:06 pm"anything that diminishes individual liberty"
So you guys are down with assisted suicide/death with dignity, recreational drug use, and my continued desires to piss and shit in the stream that flows through my property before it gets to yours? Damn you true conservatives ain't so bad afterall
November 6th, 2008 at 11:10 pmdbadass,
Just didn't have time to type everything!
True conservatives are stewards of the earth. We care just as much as anyone else about the effects of pollution, etc.
The difference is, conservatives believe that mankind can live in harmony with nature, yet still live in a modern technological society.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:10 pm- massive government spending, including deficit spending [All increased under Bush 'true conservative']
November 6th, 2008 at 11:11 pm- taking from those who have worked hard and giving it to those who haven’t earned [Deregulation led to the bailout of those investors bad investments]
- undermining the Constitution by judicial fiat [that happened under a conservative admin]
- anything that diminishes individual liberty [like wiretapping and datamining?]
- the taking of private property by government regulation
- government meddling in private enterprise [Bailout bailout bailout]
- weakening our national defense [having our troops in Iraq weakens our natl defense]
- open borders, including amnesty for illegal aliens [something Bush wanted]
- re-definition of marriage to suit individual preferences [Your not supposed to judge]
- the removal of God from public discourse and our school [Schools are not theological seminars but to learn basic skills to make a living]
Tim Vaculik
November 6th, 2008 at 11:12 pmYou should apply for a job to write for Colbert. That stuff is hilarious.
Jeb shouldn't be wary of big government so much as stupid government thanks to "conservatives" like his idiot brother and the clowns he dragged into our lives.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:12 pmTrue conservatives are stewards of the earth. We care just as much as anyone else about the effects of pollution, etc. -Tim Vaculik
Deregulation allows more pollution.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:14 pmToo bad there hasn't been a "true conservative" associated with the GOP since Ronnie humped Fallwell's leg on national TV.
Since then it's been nothing but scorched earth in preparation for the Rapture.
Fortunately, they are all turning on each other. The big question now is: who will retain the GOP brand?
The psychochristians or the neocons who used them to get this far?
November 6th, 2008 at 11:19 pmXisithrus,
First of all, you have to understand that the failure you cite doesn't lie with the free market system. It lies with government interference with feee markets!
I'll agree that there's plenty of greed to go around, but don't leave out the other vices that were major contributors as well. Look no farther than the wfforts to give home loans to those who couldn't afford them. That wasn't the idea of Mortgage lenders, my friend. That was foisted on us by the government.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:19 pmOkay Tim Valucik:
November 6th, 2008 at 11:20 pmSo if you just didn't have time to get to the life support system which is the environment, can we assume the "gays" are a higher priority item? I am also taken by the fact that the "gays" made the time for list at not only the environment but also those zygotes. What the hell is bitblt gonna think of you...
Xisithrus,
If you think George Bush is a true conservative, you haven't been paying very good attention. The rest of your responses show a great deal of ignorance as well.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:21 pmOh please, Jeb is still sore about that weggie George gave him back in 1969...
November 6th, 2008 at 11:26 pmEven a blind pig finds a truffle once in a while. There's nothing conservative about the Chimp. He's a reckless radical just like the others who have stolen the name "conservative". Though he is stupider than most.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:26 pm"yet still live in a modern technological society."
Is that like the one that digs coal and oil out of the earth with unskilled labor to burn at absurdly low efficiences while toxifying the air,soils, and water? Hello, that shit is prehistoric not modern... Damn and them oil tars and shales the shits?
November 6th, 2008 at 11:26 pmdbadass,
oooppps. I did forget a big one. Conservatives believe that the most fundamental right is the right to life itself. No abortion. Abortion stops a beating, human heart. No one has the right to take a life!
Gays? Well, don't get me started. Oh, what the hell.
I don't care what consenting adults choose to do in the privacy of their own homes, but I do object strongly to a re-definition of marriage.
Specifically, marriage is not now nor has it ever been a "right." Marriage is a social institution and it has to be defined by society as a whole. No judge has the right to usurp the power of the people to determine what constitutes marriage.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:27 pmFirst of all, you have to understand that the failure you cite doesn’t lie with the free market system. It lies with government interference with feee markets!
Huh? The lobbyists went to the government and asked for deregulation. It was the removal of regulation that created the Enron loophole and allowed highly leveraged positions and the creation of all this asset backed paper.
Xisithrus,
If you think George Bush is a true conservative, you haven’t been paying very good attention. The rest of your responses show a great deal of ignorance as well.
I didnt say he was, its why people, much like you, elected the compassionate conservative one. As for ignorance, it wasnt me that was fooled by Bush.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:27 pmDo "true conservatives" spend time on left-leaning sites trying to explain how, after a thorough liberal, ass-kicking by a nation disabled and demoralized by "conservatives," America is really a "right-center" nation? (Even after spending a month calling the Democratic nominee a socialist and Marxist?) In the coming months, "conservatives" will re-evaluate what their values are and pretty much come out with the same wedge issues that will keep them on the margins of mainstream America for a long time.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:29 pmIt lies with government interference with feee markets!
Greenspan has agreed this is not true.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:29 pmSo why did the free market wall streeter run to the government for a bailout if they truly believed in a free market?
November 6th, 2008 at 11:31 pmI notice the stupid troll hasn't seen fit to comment on Glenn Beck's latest insane raving, or the charges that Norm Coleman may have had his employees coerce people to vote for him.
BTW, the last I heard, Norms margin is under 400 votes and there are widespread allegations of irregularities. Caging, coercion, and that little nuisance of the "slush money" laundered by his wife's company. Norm may take the election and end up in prison.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:32 pmXisithrus,
Oh, now I see. You had those little quote marks... sorry.
Well, I think we all can agree that economics is a complicated subject and there are many inter-related events that have contributed to this mess we find ourselves in.
We won't solve it tonight, unfortunately. And I won't be solving anything tomorrow unless I get some sleep...
November 6th, 2008 at 11:32 pmNo one has the right to take a life!
I'm guessing the Tim troll doesn't have a problem with the death penalty or war -- both of which stop beating hearts.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:32 pm"True conservatives". All lies. All the time. Except when they ramble on about who they hate.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:34 pmConservatives are all about telling everyone else what to do and how to live, all the while doing all the worst shit on the planet.
Here's an idea: Mind your own damn business.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:37 pmAbove the Clouds,
Well, conservatives actually don't have anything to change with respect to core values.
In truth, had more conservative principles been in play the last 10 - 20 year, we wouldn't be in this mess!
You seem to be neglecting the liberal, or progressives role in all of this. The Democrats played key roles in the debacle, particularly as it relates to Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac.
Finally, the Republican party didn't lose this election because of conservative ideals, but rather because it ABANDONED it's conservative principles! Witness the REpublicans that lost their bids for re-election - RINO's by and large.
The new Congress and the new President will have a much tougher time with the REpublicans that remain.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:37 pmAh. It looks like the shorty and warty, piss-soaked, poor loser troll crawled under his bridge for the evening.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:38 pmTim Vaculik Says:
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My goodness, yer full of Cheney...
Bush was touted endlessly as Our Savior when he first got installed in the WH by the SCOTUS back into 2000. Judicial fiat, anyone? And now, after 8 yrs of one of the most DISASTROUS presidencies in the country's history, he's NOT a conservative? Sorry, Timmeh, he's one of yours for all eternity, just like those disgusting Abu Ghraib sex torture photos.
As far as all the other giiberish on your laundry list, let's take a stab at some of them...
The Constitution as is written... then I take it you disapprove HIGHLY of BigDick Cheney's claims that the VP is neither part of the Admin or Legislative Branches, huh? And you must be furious w/ good ole Alberto's claim that there is no right to habeas corpus in the Constitution.
Weakening our national defense... you mean, like shipping National Guard units, along w/ their equipment, overseas for repeat tours in Iraq? Or sending American soldiers into combat knowing they don't have adequate armor and equipment? That sort of thing?
Just out of curiosity, how do "libruls" weaken our national security? Some FACTS, Timmeh, not overheated wingnut hyperbole.
Open borders... yeah, I'm SURE not a single GOOPer business man EVER hired an illegal to make more money. Not... a... one...
Re-defintion of marriage... what is it w/ you closeted gays and your self-loathing?
November 6th, 2008 at 11:38 pmTim Vaculik:
November 6th, 2008 at 11:41 pmIntriguing as this may be, I have to wrap it up soon. In light of the “anything that diminishes individual liberty”, can you assure me that true conservatives have no beef with whatever recreaional drug use and sexual conduct which occurs between consenting adults in my home on my property is not a matter they have any business with and that I can watch whatever f'ed up shit I want to and I can read whatever stuff I want to? Oh and can I have dome more of those armor peircing bullets too? You know them guns I cling to make me feel good..
The Republic of Stupidity ,
Oh come ON! You must be one of the last of those clinging to the absurd notion that President Bush stole the election or was put in by the Supreme Court!!!
Geez, get a grip.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:41 pmOh poo! I didn't get a chance to ask the stupid troll if he's participating in the boycott of FAUX.
WARNING! The link will lead you to super-concentrated insanity and evil. Do not visit without hazmat gear!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2127130/posts
November 6th, 2008 at 11:41 pmThe fundamentals of the economy are strong. That one's going to leave a mark....for a long time.
Iraq war.........you may never overcome the damage you have done to conservatives with this one, let along the damage to the rest of us.
culture of corruption......the conservatives when in power have shown Americans that they will sell anyone or anything for money and power.........their scandals make the democrats through history look like pickpockets.
culture of lies......the truth is out and most have seen enough to know that the conservatives have lied and backed each other up on it to the point that the c(conspiracy) word is not out of the question.
torture.........would never have been an issue with anyone except the conservatives. I think it lies somewhere deep in your psyche somewhere.
I could go on but I think you get my point. It's hard to convince people that you're here to help when you do these things while promising the religious right that you will deal with gays and abortion, which you never will because they are too valuable as wedge issues for you. Maybe the cristains will figure it out.....too bad for you guys if they do.
ta ta my conservative dinasaur.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:44 pmThat's funny.
The Tim troll telling anyone else to "get a grip."
:-D
November 6th, 2008 at 11:44 pmSo, stupid troll. Do you also think that FAUX isn't radical enough because they exposed Bible Spice?
November 6th, 2008 at 11:45 pmTim Vaculik Says:
I think we all can agree that economics is a complicated subject
The only person who finds it too complicated is you, apparently.
As someone else already mentioned, even Greenspan -no bleeding heart liberal by any stretch of the imagination- agreed that the lack of proper regulation was the leading cause of the mess we find ourselves in right now.
Anyone who knows anything about the current crisis also knows that the government did not force lenders to give money to people who couldn't afford it:
Fresh off the false and politicized attack on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, today we’re hearing the know-nothings blame the subprime crisis on the Community Reinvestment Act — a 30-year-old law that was actually weakened by the Bush administration just as the worst lending wave began. This is even more ridiculous than blaming Freddie and Fannie.
Community Reinvestment Act had nothing to do with subprime crisis
Read and try to learn, for a change, instead of babbling back talking points you obviously don't understand.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:45 pmdbadass,
Well, this may surprise you. I agree that recreational drug use (within reason) should be de-criminalized. We have made criminals out of so many otherwise law-abiding citizens it's heart-breaking.
Guns? Americans have an absolute right to own as many as they want. It's in the Constitution!
Internet pornography. A little more troubling, but as long as minors can't see it al all, then adults should be free to peruse it. I'm, not making a moral judgement or advocating this, it's just that no one has a right to tell me I can't!
November 6th, 2008 at 11:46 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Oh come ON! You must be one of the last of those clinging to the absurd notion that President Bush stole the election or was put in by the Supreme Court!!!
Geez, get a grip.
_________
Tim? The SCOTUS interfered in the recount in Fla. They had no legal standing to do this.
There are things called ***FACTS***, Timmeh.
If that wasn't a judicial fiat...
Do you have ANYTHING at all, other than overblown ranting, and of course, that vise-like grip on yer privates you're so proud of, to go w/???
Didn't think so...
November 6th, 2008 at 11:48 pmI think I figured it out. The stupid troll stares at a mirror when formulating its (ahem!) "arguments".
November 6th, 2008 at 11:48 pmArgh... I got the link wrong. Here is the actual link to the article about Greenspan...
November 6th, 2008 at 11:49 pmTim Vaculik Says:
I’m, not making a moral judgement or advocating this, it’s just that no one has a right to tell me I can’t!
___________
BUT... you apparently have no problem limiting the rights of gays... and on what meaningful grounds?
PLEASE articulate this, Timmeh... inquiring minds are DYING to hear it.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:49 pmActually I dont find the economy hard to understand, these SIV's CDO's CDS, financial vehicles and counter part bets are complicated. Bernanke doesnt even understand them. Worse there are some 160 trillion or more of these things, traded without regulation or opacity out there. Its why Buffet called them weapons of financial mass destruction.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:50 pmI'll just point out this one little piece of disinformation that you got out of the playbook but has been proven to be wrong.
The private sector(unregulated)held 80% of the sub prime loans.
You're just here to convince us that what just failed in the last 8 years can be made to work if just.........what?
raygun did the same things....hoover did the same things.....
how can you say bush aint one of you?
November 6th, 2008 at 11:50 pmGregor Samsa,
Oh, contrere! The CRA most certainly played a role, but I agree it wasn't the sole cause.
As far as lack of regulation. Well, I obviously know that economies, like societies can't function without them, BUT it's the type of regulation that counts.
For example. You have to have proper accounting and loan underwriting standards in the banking business! It was actually the REpublicans that tried in vain on at least three separate occaisions to REGULATE FannieMae and Freddie Mac! Guess who put up the road block. You guessed it! The DEMOCRATS.
Even Alan Greenspan spoke before Congressional committees warning of the danger of inaction. The Democrats, and Barney Frank in particular would have nothing of it.
So, you see. I know a little more than you it appears.
Go do your homework.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:53 pmI'm glad the Tim troll supports the Constitution "as it is written, although this might be problematic:
All it takes is "the gay" getting a case in front of the SCOTUS, and the wedding industry will be singing hallelujah!
November 6th, 2008 at 11:54 pmNow here's the big one Tim Vaculik. Are you ready?
"I’m, not making a moral judgement or advocating this, it’s just that no one has a right to tell me I can’t!"
This is for all the money and whatever is behind the door that Carol Merrill stands before...
As the speaker of all things "true conservative"....
Can I legally terminate my own existance?
November 6th, 2008 at 11:55 pmhttp://www.netcastdaily.com/broadcast/fsn2008-1101-2.mp3
This is a good listen about how the credit mess came about. [mp3 audio file]
November 6th, 2008 at 11:55 pmUm...Tim troll, it's au contraire.
Try not to be so ignorant.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:56 pmThe Republic of Stupidity,
" ...The SCOTUS interfered in the recount in Fla. They had no legal standing to do this."
Please. You simply do not know what you are talking about at all. You obviously don't have a clue as to why they got involved, do you?
Got some news for you. The Supreme Court IS available to adjudicate cases they deem worthy when presented.
Please go read some history...
November 6th, 2008 at 11:56 pmOh, contrere! The CRA most certainly played a role, but I agree it wasn’t the sole cause. -Tim
No it didnt. The study showed 25 of the 26 companies involved were not subjected to the CRA act.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:57 pmWell. This has been fun but, it's time for bed.
G'night good people.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:58 pmYou too, stupid troll.
I bought some spare hair at a fair...
November 6th, 2008 at 11:58 pmTim Vaculik babbles:
Oh, contrere! The CRA most certainly played a role, but I agree it wasn’t the sole cause.
I believe you mean "au contraire".
As I mentioned -and the link to BusinessWeek I provided discusses- not even the lenders have blamed the CRA for their current woes.
Go do your homework.
Someone here needs to do their homework,, and it's not me. Had you bothered to read either article, you'd realise you are making a fool of yourself by repeating the nonsense about the CRA and the "type of regulation", because your delusions don't match reality. What a surprise.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:00 amYou guys provided bush and palen......We wouldn't be where we are now if Gore had taken office in 2000 economically and we wouldn't be in Iraq.
you guys need to do your homework before you release your imbeciles on the rest of us.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:01 amXisithrus,
You are missing the point. Let's see if you can grasp it by way of example.
If you own a gas station and then something comes along that causes your competition to lower their gas prices significantly, would you then lower yours? Of Course you would, or you would go out of business.
If you owned a business and because of new government regulations a whole new market opened up, (not to mention the government was promising to back up those business that were subject to the regs) would you then IGNORE the new market? Of course not! You would jump right in with your competition.
Is this becoming a little clearer for you now?
November 7th, 2008 at 12:02 amdbadass Says:
I bought some spare hair at a fair…
November 6th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
I danced with Fred Astaire...
November 7th, 2008 at 12:02 amFred,
Geez. Sorry! I wasn't the only one who voted for him!
Of course, I might feel the same way as you right now about Obama!
November 7th, 2008 at 12:05 amI can't tell you how thrilled we are that you have dropped by to share your version of reality with us.
In case you hadn't noticed, your side just got shown the door.
Here's a clue: If everyone else is always wrong every time you have a disagreement you might just consider that it is possible, however improbable you may think it is, that you might just be wrong........in this case I can guarantee it.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:05 amAll good things must end. It's been fun...
November 7th, 2008 at 12:06 amYou know what Tim Vaculik, when it comes to the end of the day, you and I are not so far apart. I rejoice that I live in a land where you can agree that no one can tell me I can't make tons of money making movies and tv shows that get Brent Bozell's panties bunched up. That I can burn a flag if I feel the need to do so and that if it suits my fancy I can eat my own cat or dog. Take could care my true conservative friend and good night...
November 7th, 2008 at 12:06 amHate to break it to you, Vaculik, but the 2000 election was stolen, and that is a documented fact.
If you cannot accept that fact, then there is no plain of reality on which we co-exist.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:06 amGosh, maybe we should let up on you, poor little fella. Your best hope is that Obama does worse than bush. Good luck with that. Most people couldn't do that bad if they were trying.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:07 amYou are missing the point. Let’s see if you can grasp it by way of example.
If you own a gas station and then something comes along that causes your competition to lower their gas prices significantly, would you then lower yours? Of Course you would, or you would go out of business.
If you owned a business and because of new government regulations a whole new market opened up, (not to mention the government was promising to back up those business that were subject to the regs) would you then IGNORE the new market? Of course not! You would jump right in with your competition.
Is this becoming a little clearer for you now?
Gasoline stations dont use leverage. Do you understand fractionalised banking? And reserve requirements for banks? Do you understand that Lehman was leverage by some 35 to 1? They didnt have enough money to cover their bets. I am not talking about gas stations, or bread or cars.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:08 amIf you owned a business and because of new government regulations a whole new market opened up, (not to mention the government was promising to back up those business that were subject to the regs) would you then IGNORE the new market?
It wasnt a 'new market' the same thing happened before the great depression, investment banks [non-deppsitory banks] got involved in mortgages. Its why Glass Steagall came into being so investment banks could not invest in mortgages! They knew damn good and well what would happen.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:15 amTim Vaculik Says:
Please. You simply do not know what you are talking about at all. You obviously don’t have a clue as to why they got involved, do you?
Got some news for you. The Supreme Court IS available to adjudicate cases they deem worthy when presented.
Please go read some history…
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Timmeh... Timmeh... how can we have a discussion when you INSIST on keeping your head up your Cheney like that?
YOU were the one harping about judicial fiats as being bad (meaning a librul thing, I take it...) but here you are defending the involvement of the SCOTUS in the 2000 Presidential election... and that decision DIDN'T affect the outcome?
I know this... ***sigh***... will take "actual work" on yer part, Timmeh... but read this and come back,Li'l Feller, and then we'll talk.
http://www.iknowwhatyoudidlastelection.com/bush-supreme-court.htm
You are interested in "the truth" and "facts", aren't you?
http://www.iknowwhatyoudidlastelection.com/bush-supreme-court.htm
November 7th, 2008 at 12:29 amTim Vaculik babbles:
If you owned a business and because of new government regulations a whole new market opened up [...] would you then IGNORE the new market?
Don't be so ignorant. The CRA has been in place since 1978, if memory serves. It was only during the last 8 years or so that enforcement of the CRA became lax, which allowed a boom in "creative" derivatives; hedge funds, and other financial instruments that leveraged the subprime debt. In essence, Wall Street created a pyramid scheme, to make money, not to comply with any law.
And yours is a creative way to blame the government and the law for the lenders' own reckless and greedy ways. What you are saying is that the lenders would have given money to anyone who could breathe, regulation or not.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:30 amTim Vaculik Says:
Silver linings dept. - The Dems won’t have a “super-majority” in the U.S. Senate!!!! YEAH! Can you spell FILIBUSTER?
We now have 57 dems so far in the Senate as we now know Merkley won in OR. There are a few level headed Republicans ex: Snowe and Collins that will vote the will of the people and not play the filibuster game - obstruct business so it can be claimed the dems get nothing done.
Strong sour grapes you are sucking on.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:32 amGregor Samsa Says:
What you are saying is that the lenders would have given money to anyone who could breathe, regulation or not.
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Hell Gregor, as bad as some of those mortgages were, the real problem seems to be the sh*tty securities the investment banks cobbled together around them and sold, sold, sold to anyone anywhere dumb enough to buy them. That and those infernal credit default swaps that got groups like AIG in so deep.
All of this the fault of libruls, Dems, and poor folk who wanted to buy a house?
I don't think so. The bankers got themselves into this mess thru their own greed, and now they're just trying to pass it off on someone else. SOP.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:35 amTim Vaculik
We all need to put our differences aside and begin working on what is best for this country. Even you have to admit there is much work to do after the Republicans sent our country down the crap hole.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:39 amThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
the real problem seems to be the sh*tty securities the investment banks cobbled together around them and sold, sold, sold to anyone anywhere dumb enough to buy them.
I fully agree. As a matter of fact, I did mention something like that in my reply to Tim BSculik.
I was just trying to point out the contradiction in his posts: On the one hand, he says lenders were forced by the government to lend money to people who couldn't pay, and on the other hand he says lenders couldn't ignore the "new market".
He cannot have it both ways. If he were rational, that is.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:41 amGregor Samsa Says:
He cannot have it both ways. If he were rational, that is.
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Timmeh fancies himself to be some sort of razor-sharp debater but he really doesn't have much there, does he?
It was the same deal on "judicial fiats", no? On one hand he decries them amightily, but then turns right around and defends the SCOTUS' decision on the 2000 election.
He never did share his reasoned rationale for denying gays the right to vote, did he?
November 7th, 2008 at 12:48 amThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
It was the same deal on “judicial fiats”, no?
And don't forget the "limiting of individual liberties".
Tim BSculik -always against judicial fiats and government intervention, and all for individual liberties. Unless he isn't.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:57 amGregor Samsa Says:
And don’t forget the “limiting of individual liberties”.
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'Cept when it comes to "teh gays", huh?
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Tim BSculik -always against judicial fiats and government intervention, and all for individual liberties. Unless he isn’t.
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Man... that degree of confusion must just HURT to live w/...
November 7th, 2008 at 1:01 amTim from Vulcan is so confusing...
"Gays? Well, don’t get me started. Oh, what the hell.
I don’t care what consenting adults choose to do in the privacy of their own homes, but I do object strongly to a re-definition of marriage.
Specifically, marriage is not now nor has it ever been a “right.” Marriage is a social institution and it has to be defined by society as a whole. No judge has the right to usurp the power of the people to determine what constitutes marriage."
Let's see if I can figure this out...I will be willing to bet that you think religion is sacred, that we should all have the right to worship as we see fit. Society as a whole seems to be OK with people having religions... as long as they are between consenting adults, I agree. The kids ought to be left out of it though.
So, if a person has a religion, that tells them it's OK to get married even if they are gay, is that OK? After all, shouldn't their religion be off limits to interference from other people's religions? So as along as the gay people all join the big gay church, they can have legal weddings?
If you say no, then no weddings in churches/synagogues/mosques etc. are valid. Why should they be any different?
If you think a church wedding is enough to be legal, then also a civil wedding has to be legal by itself. We have the freedom of and FROM religion in this country. Why should your religious beliefs dictate what two atheists can do? Next you'll be burning Jews at the stake like in the Inquisition.
I am a straight, married atheist. I don't understand how any gay people's marriages could possibly threaten my marriage, whether they are religious or civil. I say, the more committed couples we have, willing to be honest with each other and to stand by each other through thick and thin, then the better off our society is.
I do see religions as threatening the safety and emotional well-being of people through the ages, but I'll defend anyone's right to their delusions.
But your delusions have no bearing on the lives of others who do not share your prejudice.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:02 amHate to break it to you, Vaculik,
Sorry to highlight you in particular Wayne, but at this late date, exactly what is this about, but a desperate attempt at self-grat?
Vaculik's a political has-been.
Quit validating his existence.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:16 amGuido the Loving OBGYN Says:
The Republican party is not conservative.
Ah, but it is.
Unless you're falling into the semantic trap, that prudent=conservative.
They aren't the same thing.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:26 amTim Vaculik@13
You must feel very bad and dizzy with reality because of President Obama's landslide victory (this is what a real "victory" feels like.)
It was unexpected to a minute racist idiot (I'm not naming names) `>>>>y0u<<<<`. I'm very happy to report to you that your dumbass will remain in the dark.
Entertain us.
Instead of trying to make the world a better place, your type are regrouping and thinking up lies to feed the public. Hide cause you stick out like a sore thumb. Commonsense comes hard with repugs.
**jeb and chimp hold the record in execution. Another lovely record for the bushfia klan.***
repugs were a joke and the world is happy about President Obama. Eat it.
Obama will be re-elected by a bigger landslide and your type will be comedy to a much smarter world.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:41 amHere is another thing Tim "I am for it unless I am against it" BSculik is all for: Personal responsibility. Except when it comes to the Republican Party.
The same party BSculik claims is not conservative, but he will reliably vote for, nonetheless.
If BSculik is an example of your typical conservative, I fear for the future of our species.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:47 ambarfly Says:
Guido the Loving OBGYN Says:
The Republican party is not conservative.
Ah, but it is.
Unless you're falling into the semantic trap, that prudent=conservative.
They aren't the same thing.
They sure are. repug/cons/neo-cons/etc have disdain and contempt for the US Constitution.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:56 amI agree with Snowball that W and his republican allies in congress succeeded beyond their best hopes. It's going to take some time to fix the mess W has left. Enough time for Jeb to make a white house run as the "true" conservative. Politics is the family business after all.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:59 amA marriage is between consenting adults.
Man does NOT control love.
November 7th, 2008 at 2:05 amhad enough Says:
Tim Vaculik
We all need to put our differences aside and begin working on what is best for this country. Even you have to admit there is much work to do after the Republicans sent our country down the crap hole.
Why would you want to include a idiot saboteur on our team?
It's best for this type to grumble from afar.
November 7th, 2008 at 2:14 amTim Vaculik Says:
Delusional as always
1. Conservatives aren’t going away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
True. Personally I dont want them to. We need ethical conservatives to be part of the dialectic. To have a voice. They wont be in control for a while though. The pendulum is swinging left and its at the beginning of the swing. Like 1980 was for conservatives 2008 is for liberals
2. Silver linings dept. - The Dems won’t have a “super-majority” in the U.S. Senate!!!! YEAH! Can you spell FILIBUSTER?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Oh I am begging the GOP do go into fillibuster mode. Stand in the way of the changes the American people have demanded. Marginlize your party into the modern day version of the Whigs.
3. Doesn’t look like Al Franken will make it to the U.S. Senate.
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Too early to say yet. A recount is in the offing and the margin is just two or three hundred votes. It could go either way.
4. 2012
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Will most likely be ANOTHER bloodbath for the GOP ESPECIALLY if they follow your STOOPID advice about filibustering
November 7th, 2008 at 4:35 amTim Vaculik Says:
Spoken like a true liberal. Problem is, you’re standing on your head and telling the rest of us we’re upside down!
REmember, your side has NO use for facts. If facts get in the way of your agenda, then it is the facts that have to be changed to fit your ideology.
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Oh my GOD. Pure projection from one of the most ignorant and fact challenged posters in the history of the internets
November 7th, 2008 at 4:37 amTim Vaculik Says:
If you think George Bush is a true conservative, you haven’t been paying very good attention. The rest of your responses show a great deal of ignorance as well.
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This I agree with. True traditional conservatives are suspicious of executive power and Bushs executive power grabs should have outraged ANY true conservative. Traditional conservatives are not LIARS they are honest and the Bush administration made LYING an artform. I would say they were more like radical statists.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:42 amTim Vaculik Says:
The Republic of Stupidity ,
Oh come ON! You must be one of the last of those clinging to the absurd notion that President Bush stole the election or was put in by the Supreme Court!!!
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Its a plain fact. It cannot be denied. All the votes WERE counted in Florida and when all valid votes were counted that is undervotes and overvotes GORE WON BY ANY COUNTING STANDARD. That is a plain undeniable fact.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/111201a.html
The new, fuller study found that Gore won regardless of which standard was applied and even when varying county judgments were factored in. Counting fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots, Gore won by 115 votes. With any dimple or optical mark, Gore won by 107 votes. With one corner of a chad detached or any optical mark, Gore won by 60 votes. Applying the standards set by each county, Gore won by 171 votes.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/11/12/politics/main317662.shtml
Under any standard that tabulated all disputed votes statewide, Gore erased Bush's advantage and emerged with a tiny lead that ranged from 42 to 171 votes.
Geez, get a grip.
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My GOD would you at least ONCE in your life attempt to have some dim idea what you are talking about?
November 7th, 2008 at 4:53 amMore fun facts from the election of 2004: If we are to believe the numbers, George W. Bush racked up more votes than registered Republicans in 47 out of 67 counties in Florida.
In 15 of those counties, his vote total more than doubled the number of registered Republicans--and in four counties, Bush more than tripled the number.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:47 am> That wasn’t the idea of Mortgage lenders,
> my friend.
RIIIGHT.. Timmy McVculick, could you please explain the part where the mean democrats made the law that FORCED companies to lend to people they didnt want to?
November 7th, 2008 at 6:51 amJeb left out the part where the reichwingnut fringe should always accept responsibility for their actions. They tend to blame others when they are caught with their hands in the cookie jar. What a bunch of hypocritical failures they are at governing. They should never be in power.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:16 amjust another PNAC signatory...
November 7th, 2008 at 7:18 amI'm sure Obama will reduce the size and scope of the Federal government. (Not.)
November 7th, 2008 at 7:44 amSo when someone expands the government 3x in 8 years, this leads to massive failure? Well, you're right about that.
Is expanding government by 3x conservative? Nah.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:47 amHot-dang, the criminal cabal that fraudulently hoisted an AWOL alcoholic cocaine addict into the White House is now starting the propaganda campaign to put another bush in the White House.
This is bad news, if they can steal 2 elections for dur chimpfurher, they can pull this off too.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:47 amJeb is merely upset because his brother has sealed in stone the idea of another Bush in the White House is something that will not occur in this millenium.
Please, everybody, DON'T TAKE THIS FOR GRANTED!!!!!
Preventing this will take work and will demand free, fair, and open elections!!!
November 7th, 2008 at 8:11 am"Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said the party should take four primary steps: show no tolerance for corruption, practice what it preaches about limiting the scope of government (“There should not be such a thing as a Big-Government Republican”), stand for working families and small business, and embrace reform."
AHHHHH, NOW we see why Palin is being gutted like the sacrificial lamb she was. It is to CREATE a pseudo-division in the minds of the RETHUGNIKKKANS that Jeb is correct form of Republiscumism.
MAKES TOTAL SENSE NOW.
ARREST, TRY AND HANG THE WHOLE BUSH CLAN FOR TREASON.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:19 amThe day I hear of this family's demise will be a wonderful day indeed.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:33 amThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
Gregor Samsa Says:
He cannot have it both ways. If he were rational, that is.
Timmeh fancies himself to be some sort of razor-sharp debater but he really doesn’t have much there, does he?
It was the same deal on “judicial fiats”, no? On one hand he decries them amightily, but then turns right around and defends the SCOTUS’ decision on the 2000 election.
But, but, it was the activist judges who GAVE corporations their personhood status, so the "strict constructionist" judges should throw all corporate lawsuits and judgements in favor of corporations out the window since the Constitution NEVER CONFERRED personhood to corporations.
Oh I forgot, they are Rethugnikkkans.
Sorry, never mind.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:34 amWhere are Ann Coulter's poisoned Creme Broulees when you really need them?
Where is Annie anyway, did she get arrested for voting in the worng polling place again? Tsk, tsk, some people are just way too stupid that they cannot figure out where they are supposed to vote. Stupid dumbsh|t b|tch.
Keith H.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:37 amHere are coordinates of all the Bush hideouts.
http://cryptome.sabotage.org/prez-eyeball.htm
If you think George Bush is a true conservative, you haven’t been paying very good attention. The rest of your responses show a great deal of ignorance as well.
Coming from the idiot conservative who voted twice for Dumbya (who YOU claim isn't a conservative) actually turns the light of ignorance right back in your face.
What a beautiful day in Obama Country!!!
November 7th, 2008 at 8:38 amSo Bachmann is a true conservative? I think not. She is an outright digusting Republitroll stooge. Plain and simple. Lindsay Gramm (closted door squeeks open) another NON-CONSERVATIVE.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:57 amThe REPUBLICAN (Read: traitors) won, because those desiring their traitorous stances were the ones voting for them. So, YES, REpublicans are traitors. We will let the CONSERVATIVES back into the political debate, but the REPUBLICANS, you get to stay up in Alaska. And JEB ain't no conservative.
Tim, reading your posts, your refusal to see the truth about your party, your bullying methods, your changing the subject when it suits you, your mental disconnect to reality, your constant obfuscation & your mindless devotion to the party of hate and intolerance is EXACTLY why these Liberals your loath so much - KICKED YOUR JACK BOOTED THUGS ASSES from Coast to Coast Tuesday.
But, you Go Tim! Keep doing what you are doing. Please. We will continue to see you for what you really are and WE will continue to win. Troll away. There is room for you here and even YOU will see the light someday because that is what you authority driven mindless SHEEP really want. You need a conscience, someone to argue with you. It makes you feel good about yourself. You came to the right place.
Ok. Flame away dude. Its what you and your party does best.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:18 amJeb is merely upset because his brother has sealed in stone the idea of another Bush in the White House is something that will not occur in this millenium.
I agree. The Bush Dynasty (if you want to call it that, I call it a "regime") is finished. Destroyed from within.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:23 amha! shorter Timmeh:
"the fundamentals of the conservative agenda are strong!
...my friends."
Look, guy. You had 8 years to implement that list of yours. You tried and look what happened. You and your laundry list were shown the door.
But, I agree with wolfsinger. Rant on, Timmeh... rant on.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:36 amWhy did you all allow the troll, Tim, to capture the thread?
November 7th, 2008 at 9:59 amHe's ignorant. He is spouting rightwing talking points. They NEED to be slapped down or really dumb people might accidentally think they sound resonable. Trollstabbing is fun. Mopping the floor with the idiot is just so easy. Any of those reasons. I admit none of them are GOOD reasons to allow him to derail the thread but they ARE hard to resist
November 7th, 2008 at 10:21 amDoes Jeb "Pumpkinhead" Bush think he has a any shot at a national office after his dumbass brother leaves town? It is laughable.
November 7th, 2008 at 11:11 amAny TRUE conservative would not borrow money from other countries to pay for a tax cut. They also would not have cut taxes in a time of war. That is just not fiscally responsible. So stop. The current republicans are not conservatives. They want to invade everyone's privacy by telling them what they can do or not do with their bodies, when they can or can't die as well. These current crop of 'conservatives' are more aligned with Fascist politics than the Republicanism of Eisenhower or Goldwater. Those were conservatives.
November 7th, 2008 at 11:16 amBear Country:
November 7th, 2008 at 11:39 amWe didn't. We just enjoyed messing with him.
Another Month and we will not have to hear from that crime family ever again. Except perhaps during triasl at the Hague.
911=Inside Job
Anthrax Attacks=Inside Job
This Country is pathetic for allowing these terrorists to rule.
November 7th, 2008 at 12:50 pmHopefully the bush name has finally been tarnished beyond repair. We forgot about the stuff his great-grandfather, grandfather, and father had done. And I don't often hear about the scandal his other brother, Neil, was involved in, namely Silverado Savings and Loan.
But here we have this other bush, Jeb, saying the republican party should "show no tolerance for corruption." Let's just wait and see what he has to say when we get around to investigating the "No Child Left Behind" / bush family software scandal.
I've already heard limshit-for-brains bandying about the "lesson" so-called conservatives have learned from the bush legacy: They left behind the core conservative principles, and it is precisely to those values and principles that we must return in order to regain our position."
It's just a never-ending pile of $hit.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:15 pmNice try, Jeb, but we've had it with your whole famn damily. No more Shrubbery!
November 8th, 2008 at 12:07 amAll Bushes are criminals, so SYFPHs.
November 8th, 2008 at 7:50 am