Army counselor sends out recruiting e-mail promising Obama will ‘get us out of Iraq.’
By on Nov 7th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Army counselor sends out recruiting e-mail promising Obama will ‘get us out of Iraq.’
Within 24 hours of Barack Obama’s election, an Army career counselor sent out a recruiting e-mail promising that the new president would “get us out of Iraq,” reports VetVoice’s Brandon Friedman. “What are you waiting for?” the e-mail asks, arguing the election of Obama makes now the perfect time to join up:
Though it’s not clear whether this recruiter is acting alone, it signals that President Obama might be used as a new, forceful recruiting tool. “If so, this would symbolize a stunning — if not totally rational — renunciation of the Bush administration and its handling of the military,” Friedman writes. “If this becomes an Army policy, it represents a true ‘ding-dong the witch is dead’ moment for the service.”
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… By the year, WHEN…?
So join up NOW…?
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November 7th, 2008 at 4:48 pmThough it’s not clear whether this recruiter is acting alone…
– - Geeze, Sarah Palin’s GOIN’ ROGUE schtick is contagious.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:50 pmAfghanistan has such a pleasant climate and the people are much more friendly!
November 7th, 2008 at 4:50 pmOabama is not for peace. We will be at many wars with him as president.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:50 pmWell it’s a good thing we didn’t elect this warmongering Oabama for President then, isn’t it?
November 7th, 2008 at 4:50 pmThis reminds me of the circular logic way back when.
Nixon is getting us out of Vietnam, so join the army now!
November 7th, 2008 at 4:52 pmIf you saw the photo of election night in Afghanistan, it breaks my heart that these troops are still overseas, all but forgotten in the news.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/04/reactions-around-the-worl_n_141187.html#postComment
Please, let’s not forget these men and women. If you can, please go to “anysoldier.com” and pull together a care package to send. I have my little guy’s school class making cards and “gifts” to send over for the holidays. They need to know that we haven’t forgotten them, that we pray for their safety and that our support for President Obama spreads to them and our hope that they return home safely, and soon.
PEACE
November 7th, 2008 at 4:53 pmHi john, wanna back that up with something besides talking points.
Sounds like wishful thinking that he will be a failure…….don’t bet anything you can’t lose on that foolish notion.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:54 pmjohnfive, your just saying it makes it so? You surely have some evidence and facts to back this up. Unless, of course, you are just venting and are a bitter sad person. Either way, I do hope you respond.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:55 pmjohnfive Says:
Oabama is not for peace. We will be at many wars with him as president.
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So where did you get your amazing precognitive powers? The I Ching? A crystal ball? Did you read the Tarot? Perhaps a magic 8 ball? Why are you wasting your time here? With this amazing ability to foresee the future why arent you in Vegas making a bundle? Is it because you pulled this directly out of your ASS? Why I think it is.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:56 pmDing Dong the NeoCons are dead…follow the yellow brick road to a new America.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:57 pmWas Johnfive implying that McCain was for peace? Or would he prefer war with either president?
November 7th, 2008 at 5:00 pmjohnfive Says:
Oabama is not for peace. We will be at many wars with him as president.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
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It’s possible, sure. We’ll be escalating in Afghanistan for a while, and we won’t be out of Iraq for at least two years. And it’s certainly within the realm of possibility that another international crisis will arise somewhere in the world that will require deployment of U.S. troops. However, what we don’t have in the President-Elect is someone who will lie us into a war against a country that poses no threat, all for oil and corporate profit.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:00 pmHas johnfive already cut and ran?
November 7th, 2008 at 5:00 pmNo dbadass, more likely he just slithered away.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:02 pmMaybe all of the unemployed McCain/Palin staffers can join up and finish the war that King George and Darth Cheney started.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:03 pmI doubt you’d find a single backbone between all of them.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:05 pmQ U E S T I O N S:
When did Obama say he was going to pull troops out of Iraq?
Where did Obama say he was going to increase the troops?
Did Obama repudiate the Bush Doctrine entirely by suggesting that he would cross borders to bomb “suspected” cites?
… Just asking. Flame away.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:05 pmI take issue with the “Obama is not for peace” slogan.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:06 pmUncle Ho Says:
This reminds me of the circular logic way back when.
Nixon is getting us out of Vietnam, so join the army now!
November 7th, 2008 at 5:06 pm“““““““““““““““““““““
It’s kind of like General George Custer telling enlisted men to join his cavalry to kick some Indian ass.
johnfive, just another drive-by troll; drop a load and sneak away. Has no interest in defending the crap it leaves behind.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:07 pmJust because he’s going to be President, doesn’t mean that they’re going to change their tactics… It’s just now, that he has the office, they can blame him for everything.
Just like they do with Clinton.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:08 pmI said what I said because if you did not notice US President-elect Barack Obama said Friday that Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons was “unacceptable” and the Islamic Republic must stop supporting “terrorist organizations.”
I didn’t believe when Bush said it, and I am not going to believe when Obama says it.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:09 pmMax-1 Says:
That doesn’t make him a war monger and actually he has said he would start getting our troops out of Iraq in a safe manner so consider yourself flamed.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:09 pmMax-1 Says:
Q U E S T I O N S:
When did Obama say he was going to pull troops out of Iraq?
Where did Obama say he was going to increase the troops?
Did Obama repudiate the Bush Doctrine entirely by suggesting that he would cross borders to bomb “suspected” cites?
… Just asking. Flame away.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:10 pm“““““““““““““““““““`
Never beotch, we are going to stay there until we get every drop of Iraqi oil and then share the profits among us anti-American socialists. *snark*
So if we will be at many wars will we just be spectators. Who exactly will be in those many wars?
November 7th, 2008 at 5:10 pmHold yer horses, bud, before you declare military service as a “safe job,” there are a few remaining pockets of US corporate imperial occupation and intervention that need to be ended first: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Georgia, Poland (missile/radar sites), Czech Republic (missile/radar sites) and our old military base/torture chamber on the Island of Cuba, for starters… When you join the US military, you take you life and your limbs and put them on the line for US corporate imperial aggression around the world. Over 100 foreign countries being “served” with US occupying forces and bases.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:11 pmMax-1, all of your questions are answered here.
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
As for the Bush Doctrine, which part? The one where he said it was foolish to say what Obama said or when Bush himself stated that he would make no distinction between the terrorists and the states that harbor them.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:11 pmjohnfive Says:
I don’t really care what you believe. Obviously you don’t pay attention to what Obama has said. He calles for a mult-lateral effort to deal with this with force being a last resort.
He’s not starting with the stick as bush has for his failed effort…..you shall soon see something you haven’t seen for 8 years. Diplomacy.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:12 pmdbadass Says:
So if we will be at many wars will we just be spectators. Who exactly will be in those many wars?
November 7th, 2008 at 5:13 pm“““““““““““““““““““““““`
Psssst…The word is that Barack is going to round up all of the cowardly republikkkan trolls and force them to defend OUR country, just don’t tell the trolls, they will soil themselves!
Please nobody mention Daryll’s god’s Huckabee f uck up. It makes him run away.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:15 pmThere goes rapture ready bearing false witness again.
Say RR when waiting for the rapture *rolls eyes* what is it that you do? Patiently sit in a corner?
November 7th, 2008 at 5:16 pmIf the trolls are going to defend this country it means we will only have about 2 minutes before they collapse under real force.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:16 pmOh, I am waiting. Hopeful you will laugh in my face when we do see Diplomacy…
November 7th, 2008 at 5:16 pmI suppose that is why those freedom fighting republicans where so fond of supporting dictators in places like Iran and Central America and such…
November 7th, 2008 at 5:17 pmThat’s it for me today.
You guys just were patient even if it was against your will while bush killed a million human beings for profit.
It just seems you would at least give Obama a chance before you write his epitaph. Do you just want him to fail? Do you just see all of this as an exorcise in hopelessness? I don’t get it.
Daryll is the last straw for me. Life is too short to deal with the likes of this monkey.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:17 pmDemocrats are sissies and wimps. Republicans fight for freedom.
Coming from a heretic like you, that’s a compliment.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:18 pmSure, Obama said he’d work on getting the troops out of Iraq…
… And in 2006 the Democrats, lead by Emanuel, said they’d do the same thing and then, refused to do so just to campaign for another two years on doing just that. I have grave doubts about intentions of elected Officials by now.
Just how many US troops HAD TO DIE so that the Democrats could campaign?
November 7th, 2008 at 5:19 pmHi Daryll,
Welcome to the thread.
BTW, who was it that dropped the Big Ones on Japan? Oh, yea, it was that “Republican”, Truman.
Go read your history, D.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:19 pmhellinabucket,
I mean this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw2XTC1V4fk
Not much “CHANGE” from how Bush has ignored International Law.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:22 pmRaptureReady Says:
Democrats are sissies and wimps. Republicans fight for freedom.
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But we have assumed control of our government so bow to us!
1-Ronny Raygun cut and ran from Beirut after the marine barracks bombing.
2-Under Ronny Raygun we left the people of Afghanistan high and dry to fight the Soviet Union on their own after we pushed them to fight.
3-George W. Bush removed all of our military presence from Saudi Arabia after Osama Bin Laden threatened more attacks on America if our military presence remained on Saudi soil.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:25 pmFor the trolls who do not know history I repeat:
1-Ronny Raygun cut and ran from Beirut after the marine barracks bombing.
2-Under Ronny Raygun we left the people of Afghanistan high and dry to fight the Soviet Union on their own after we pushed them to fight.
3-George W. Bush removed all of our military presence from Saudi Arabia after Osama Bin Laden threatened more attacks on America if our military presence remained on Saudi soil.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:26 pmRaptureReady,
Do you remember how Bush lied?
Do you support bullies?
Do you support war criminals?
Excuse it away, blame it away…
… It only underscores what values and principles you support.
Now, please explain where Christ instructed us to “Kill thy neighbor”? And better yet, where Christ said it is redeeming?
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November 7th, 2008 at 5:27 pmDaryll; Republicans fight?
BWAAHHHAAAAAAHHAAAAAA!
Rethugs INVENTED CUT AND RUN!
Google; Chickenhawks or http://www.whoserved.com
so put up or shut up- FOOL!
November 7th, 2008 at 5:28 pmRaptureReady Says:
Your hubris is enough to make Jesus cry and thy atonement needs polishing.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:28 pm“Say RR when waiting for the rapture *rolls eyes* what is it that you do? Patiently sit in a corner?”
I too have pondered this. From what I can construe, the first thing is that you have to get nude. Now since the big cheese is really stingy on the snacks I assume Daryll may be smart enough to eat while waiting because unlike the airlines you apparantly don’t get dick for snacks on the way up. I assume the corner that Daryll sits in while waiting also has some sort of wood stove or space heater or something because as on assends it gets pretty freakin’ cold but for some reason god has some sort of beef with hoodies, longjohns, pjs and the like. I also assume since no cameras are permitted during ascention that Darryl may spend most of the waiting “shaking off the devil” while considering all the cold hungry nude hotties flying through the air like some sort of F’d up porno Crouching Dragon type shit…
November 7th, 2008 at 5:29 pmRaptureReady,
Democrats may be spineless, but Republicans fight for freedom?
Excuse me but…
… HAVE YOU STOPPED BEATING YOUR BOYFRIEND YET?
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November 7th, 2008 at 5:30 pmMax-1 Says:
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Sure, Obama said he’d work on getting the troops out of Iraq…
… And in 2006 the Democrats, lead by Emanuel, said they’d do the same thing and then, refused to do so just to campaign for another two years on doing just that. I have grave doubts about intentions of elected Officials by now.
Just how many US troops HAD TO DIE so that the Democrats could campaign?
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Wow…where was all of your concern for our troops 3-4 years ago when they were dying from inadequate equipment and armor? Where was all of your concern when our returning wounded veterans were treated like dogs at Walter Reed Veterans hospital?
Don’t come here acting like you care about our troops and/or support them? You’ve supported Bush’s failed war and the extent of your support for the troops is a made in china, yellow ribbon magnet on your vehicle.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:31 pmMax-1, I’m not following your real argument here. I personally have no problem with Obama stating he will attack AQ and OBL wherever they are. That was something Bush started out doing and the world was behind him.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:31 pmHey Daryll, how many times do you have to be told that Iranian parking lot paving means the complete toxification and assured destruction of Israel?
November 7th, 2008 at 5:31 pmHey, Parodyll the Failure!
You imply Democrats and progressives are sissies.
You also indicated that you go hunting with your daddy to shoot baby deer in Northern Indiana.
Northern Indiana is not that far from SouthWest Michigan.
DARE TO CALL ME A SISSY TO MY FACE???
November 7th, 2008 at 5:31 pmHey Daryll, how many times do you have to be told that Iranian parking lot paving means the complete toxification and assured destruction of Israel?
In the end, the chickenhawk-fundies really only care about themselves.
Israel is just a decoy.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:32 pmactually the tiger was crouching. What the hell was the dragon doing again? Bruce Lee never needed to fly to kick ass…
November 7th, 2008 at 5:32 pmUncle Fester Lurks asks:
Standing in front of a Federal Building with members of IVAW and past Vets demanding from my Senators to think of the troops, their families and the truth behind these wars.
Now, before you flame me presumptively, remember, you’re doing so blindly and ignorantly. Is that how I should be thinking of you? A blind ignorant fool?
November 7th, 2008 at 5:35 pmLet’s see: Daryll never joined the service, never heard a shot in anger, never took a bullet for his beliefs. He is a Repug, so by his logic, HE and the Repugs are the sissies and cowards.
Must hurt to have to face the truth, huh, Daryll?
November 7th, 2008 at 5:36 pmIt’s truly sad to see the flippant way nuclear weapons are discussed and tossed about. Truman agonized over the use of these weapons but determined more american lives would be saved and it would bring a quicker end to the war. A war that was started by Japan. We had complete air superiority over japan and were running daily fire bombing raids which were killing thousands every day.
By the way, that war was fought by all americans. There was national sacrifice. Something that Bush didn’t want to attempt and get for Iraq.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:37 pmFrankly Max-1 I don’t give a damn what you think about me, especially if you are a republikkkan troll. If not oh well.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:38 pmMax-1 Says:
max you are stepping on toes deliberatly to make a point that is mere speculation on your part.
Are you just here to pick a fight? You know what the definition of that is, right?
November 7th, 2008 at 5:39 pmLots of questions by some here about Obama when he isn’t even sitting in the Whitehouse yet. Cripes give the guy a chance before you start ripping him apart for crying out loud. If he goes back on his campaign promises like removing troops you can bet we progressives will voice our anger unlike the republikkkans who have defended and supported Bush’s failed presidency to the bitter end.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:40 pmI agree Uncle Fester. I will hold President Obama (I do like the look of that) to his word and I do expect a lot from him.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:43 pmhellinabucket,
Ignoring international law is a criminal act.
The world was behind Bush? Really?
Or just his coalition of the willing?
Specifically, Iraq.
Where was the UN behind Bush on that one?
Pakistan; Musharraf has stated that America is NOT welcome in his country… and the USA says F-YOU!!!???
Yep, that’s gonna garner a mile of respect world wide.
Like I said, I’m skeptical based on past performances by our Government. I refuse to be fooled… AGAIN! Should Obama return to the Rule of Law, and respect international law, good for him and better for America. I will NOT argue against it. I will, however, examine the path America has been marching down and cautiously weigh the direction the new Administration heads in.
I do not envy Obama, in the least. And if he can truly affect this course in a positive way, I will support him. But until then, FEET TO THE FIRE!!! Obama has voted to keep the troops in harms way many times… will he keep this perspective as President? I don’t know, I only have promises and a track record to go by.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:44 pmRR,
November 7th, 2008 at 5:45 pmThe guilty parties in the USS Cole incident were not identified until March 2001:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing
In the period while the Bush 43 administration was coming in, the new administration was advised of the continuing investigation and pleaded with the Clinton administration to hold off. The Clinton administration agreed and the Bush 43 administration decided not to respond when the results arrived in March 2001. The Wiki article is well-annotated.
hellinabucket Says:
By the way, that war was fought by all americans. There was national sacrifice. Something that Bush didn’t want to attempt and get for Iraq.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:45 pm““““““““““““““““““““““““““
Yup! During WWII the whole country sacrificed for the war effort, while during the second Gulf war the Bushites gave out tax cuts to the elite “during a time of war”
Recruiters recruit.
For the purposes of recruiting all wars will be over before you see action. This is no exception. Whether it’s true or not doesn’t matter, whether some 18 year old kid might believe it is the only thing that matters to these folks.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:47 pmAlright, it seems that I am to blame. I’m sorry. I probably shouldn’t have pointed out that wiping Israel off the map thing. Daryll has gotten so sensitive lately…
November 7th, 2008 at 5:48 pmUncle Fester Lurks,
Why the need to bash me? I asked questions out of concern.
And because you don’t know me you took free liberty to assault my character and propose that I’ve been living under some rock somewhere. Fine, be that way. I only, respectfully, told you how that made you look.
And for that, you bash me some more?
No Fred,
I’m not here looking for a fight. Last I checked, I am allowed to be against war and show concern for such matters, no? Or is my membership here canceled now that Obama has been elected and we can now ignore reality? I merely am asking questions that people are refusing to just because Obama got elected.
When will Obama come good on his promises?
Progressives really should be asking.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:51 pmMax, the cozy little sick relationship between bush and mushy is over. They have new leaders and the UN is heavily involved in the just actions we are taking in Afganistan/Pakistan. It’s not warmongering.
musharraf is gone dude.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:52 pmdbadass Says:
Alright, it seems that I am to blame. I’m sorry. I probably shouldn’t have pointed out that wiping Israel off the map thing. Daryll has gotten so sensitive lately…
dbass,
Not your fault, Daryll has just realized that the end of his DoD consulting gig is looming large and it is causing some PSTD, before the fact.
Heh Heh.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:53 pmMax-1, could you please state the international law that protects AQ and OBL.
After 9/11 the world was behind us. When we attacked AQ in Afghanistan the world was behind us.
Iraq is entirely different and President elect Obama made that abundantly clear.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:55 pmMax-1 Says: When will Obama come good on his promises?
Progressives really should be asking.
He is not in office yet. WTF
November 7th, 2008 at 5:56 pmI guess it’s your impatience that’s concerning. He hasn’t even been inaugurated yet but you can’t wait to find fault.
You’re being unreasonable.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:57 pmWhen will Bush make good on his promises? Remember the “Uniter not a divider” and the “Compassionate Conservative”
November 7th, 2008 at 5:58 pmTo the Kool-Aid drinkers and the ignorant, obama won’t change U.S. foreign policy in the middle east and I’ll use his
November 7th, 2008 at 6:00 pmKahoneez Says:
You must know a lot……you can’t even post.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:01 pmMax-1 Says: When will Obama come good on his promises?
Damn when you read Gleick’s Faster you must have really been influenced. Is today 11/8/08?
November 7th, 2008 at 6:06 pmMax-1, I offer a kleenex for you. I don’t believe I bashed you with my second comment I said I don’t give a damn what you think of me.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:16 pmTo the Kool-Aid Drinkers and ignorant , I’ll use how own words to prove U.S. foreign policy will not change .
1. on 60 minutes he said , ” we need troops in iraq , to protect our interests ” Ask yourselves who ” OUR ” is , joe six pack or JP Morgan, Chevron etc, etc. ?
2. He wants to pull out ” COMBAT TROOPS FROM IRAQ ” , pls use a little fkn common sense , combat troops are only about 25% of the OCCUPATION FORCES, in Iraq and Iraqis have said over and over and over, they want A COMPLETE WITHDRAWAL , of occupation forces . So minus any combat troops, (and that won’t happen for a long time anyway ) that’ll leave over 70-100,000 of military , NOT including mercenaries in the tens of thousands, that will OCCUPY Iraq for a long, long time .
WHY do you think he only mentioned ” combat troops ” bcs it sounded good during the election (needed to appease the BASE)and KNOWS , the occupation will continue . DO THE MATH !
November 7th, 2008 at 6:16 pmAdd, ” we need to send more troops to Afghanistan , to make sure the CASPIAN OIL PIPELINE is built there, he’s fully aware of , so that means he’s aware and prepared to defend the occupation of BOTH countries, which means resistance of U.S. occupations WILL CONTINUE , GUARANTEED !
More DEATH , more resentment , more paying for MEGA BASES and no doubt more kumbaya , for the first Black (even though hes 1/2 white) President of the U.S. of A .
What pill do you want to swallow , the red, the blue , or REALITY ?
hellinabucket wrote:
I know of no law and to presume that I’m defending OBL is perpostuous, at best.
Now, you tell me where it says America is free to ignore international law. If we are a Nation OF LAW, and America helped form international laws, shouldn’t America follow and conform to it’s guiding principles? Or did 9/11 evaporate ALL LAWS FOR AMERICA?
Where does it say that America is free to be a rogue Nation?
Isn’t that view antithetical to the past of America?
Are you seeking to define unlawful acts acceptable based on the unlawful acts of others? “But your Honor, other people murder too.”
Now, about Afghanistan, the target was the Taliban Government and how that government supported al-CIA-duh activities. The AUMF of 2001 made this clear. Now, the Taliban Government has been deposed. Yet we’ve remained under the guise of keeping al-CIA-duh and the Taliban insurgency at bay… more accurately put, keeping the Taliban and al-CIA-duh safe in Pakistan under the watch of Musharaff so that we can stay even longer in Afghanistan. Remember, Musharraf is an ally to America… NO? Ever wonder why? Ever wonder why Musharraf refuses American intervention to get the Taliban harbored in Pakistan? Ever wonder why Pakistan remains an ally?
Americans should… but I digress.
The AUMF of 2002 was based on contrived and manipulated information targeting Iraq and Saddam Hussein. Since the 2004 elections, how many times did Obama vote against funding the continuation of the illegal occupation of Iraq? I mean, he WAS against it until elected as a Senator, then he continued to finance it… NO? But it isn’t just the Senator Obama I hold responsible for being duplicitous. Many a cowardly, spineless Congress Member and Senator are guilty of NOT standing up for Truth and Justice, not just Obama.
Fred, Lurker,
November 7th, 2008 at 6:18 pmI asked, rhetorically, “When will Obama come good on his promises?” Not demanding it from him, yesterday. Geeesh!!!! I asked it that way so that people can ask of themselves, if Obama made promises, when will he make good on them. Sometime in the future…? But as we’ve seen, promises without time lines are like a horizon that never is achieved.
Uncle Fester Lurks,
November 7th, 2008 at 6:22 pmNo Kleenex needed. Save it for yourself.
I’m just surprised that your self respect is low enough that you don’t care that you come off as an ignorant fool, that’s all.
Max-1, I don’t have the time nor the inclination to debate on the justification to respond to the attacks on 9/11. If you feel that we weren’t justified in going after OBL then fine. I believe we were justified and I believe we are still justified in destroying those who are responsible for those attacks. There is nothing “rogue” about that.
Musharaff played the Bush administration like a violin. He played both sides.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:30 pmhellinabucket,
And you’re just now hlding Bush’s feet to his hell fire?
LOL
You know, hellinabucket, we are on the same side of the coin, we just see things from a different angle, that’s all. I’m being cautious, some may say pessimistic, but I just say cautious, None of us know what is in store for our future. We can only have hopes, dreams and wishes. It will be, however, the people who demand their dreams, hopes and wishes to be fulfilled, he ones who will be most likely to succeed at seeing their hopes, dreams and wishes fulfilled. Witness this election and look back at the civil Rights movement. That dream took nearly fifty years, but without the persistence of Rosa Parks, MLK Jr. and Malcolm, the “DREAM” would be just a faint memory, never realized.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:30 pmjohnfive Says:
I said what I said because if you did not notice US President-elect Barack Obama said Friday that Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons was “unacceptable” and the Islamic Republic must stop supporting “terrorist organizations.”
I didn’t believe when Bush said it, and I am not going to believe when Obama says it.
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And the part where he said he wanted to start a war with them? Where was that because I MISSED that part. Reach back into that rectal database and come up with the part about him starting WARS or show yourself out in disgrace.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:36 pmKahoneez, Max-1 I don’t think you or I have enough information
November 7th, 2008 at 6:37 pmto predict what Obama will do.
RaptureReady Says:
This Army recruiter is stating facts. Democrats have always been known to run away from problems. I look at most Democratic State Officials like Harry Reid, Dennis Kucinich, etc., and I can tell that they were bullied as children. Remember the USS Cole? Do you remember how Clinton did not forcefully react on the bombings? Democrats are sissies and wimps. Republicans fight for freedom.
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YOu are a liar and a fool. Republicans are the ones hiding under their mommys beds because they are cowards. Republicans have always been known to LOVE getting Americans killed in foriegn lands whether there is any good reason for them DYING or not. Its always party time at the RetardReady household as long as Americans are DYING. Republicans are warmongers (As long as it isnt THEM having to fight then its under mommys bed again) and MORONS. Truly the most ignorant hateful idiots on the planet whose only real concern is their zeal to SEE AMERICANS DIE.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:40 pmBottom line here is that we should not be in Iraq and Obama was correct all along.
Any discussion of Iraq must begin with the phrase “because the neocons convinced Bush that it was a good idea to invade and occupy a soverign nation, we are still stuck in this mistake.” Regular TP bloggers know just how complicated the situation is. Trolls don’t get it.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:41 pmMax-1 Says:
Uncle Fester Lurks,
No Kleenex needed. Save it for yourself.
I’m just surprised that your self respect is low enough that you don’t care that you come off as an ignorant fool, that’s all.
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I come across as an ignorant fool!?! Why for asking you a simple question about your supposed sudden support of the troops and concern about Obama when he hasn’t even been in office yet but without knowing your background of support for our troops?
Hey if you did what you said you did, hats off to you! If I mispoke I can be the bigger man and apologize.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:43 pmhellinabucket,
You wrote:
Those are your words. Where did I write anything of the like? You’re assuming that’s what I meant, but did I ever, EVER write anything to the like? I may question as to how the USA has undercut it’s standing in the world by circumventing international law… and how that concerns me and the future of America… and how there is a big mountain to climb because of this.
If anything, I could say that you’re arguing the ability to continue with undercutting one’s standing in the world because of 9/11. I just happen to think that that process has already proven unfavorable, worldwide. And worldwide, Obama is seen as a new hope to reverse from that course. I would like to believe that you agree with the majority of law abiding citizens.
I’m not debating the legality of the AUMF of 2001. If anything… MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
I’m asking, why are we allowing Pakistan to harbor the Taliban and al-CIA-duh while claiming that Pakistan is our ally? Is it to keep the Taliban active and intact just enough so that they are a continual threat to Afghanistan? Thus, establishing just enough cause for the USA to remain in Afghanistan? Americans really should be asking these tough questions… NO?
November 7th, 2008 at 6:44 pmRaptureReady Says:
Rightfully so. If Iran doesn’t change their ways, their soil could be converted into a complete parking lot.
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You are an ignorant punk without a shred of decency. Do you even remember what it was like before your sould evacuated from embarassment at your stupidity and hatefulness. Who would Jesus commit genocide against again? You are a pathetic and ignorant piece of garbage. All of our problems with Iran are easily dealt with through diplomacy. The problems that Obama identified. Your ignorance is an embarassment to our entire species.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:47 pmRight on StratRat! The point that Barack was right all along about the Iraq war goes straight over republikkans head.
Instead of dealing with that fact and Baracks sound judgement they will then change the subject to the success of the surge.
How many more soldiers died during the surge. How can Bush or McCain credit the surge to General Petraeus when the success mostly came from us bribing different tribal leaders to not fight against us AND Al Sadr and his army having a cease fire?
November 7th, 2008 at 6:48 pmIf we know – absolutely know – where OBL is and we can kill or capture him, then we must do it with or without the approval of a shaky ally such as Pakistan. Tora Bora was a perfect example of Bush getting cold feet. Bush needed OBL to remain at large so Bush could escalate his war on Americans.
Mission Accomplished!
November 7th, 2008 at 6:48 pmRaptureReady Says:
You are a liar and a fool. An ignorant LYING moronic piece of garbage. You cowardly republicans like to TALK big as long as someone ELSE is doing the fighting and dying. You dont really care about our safety. The chances Russia will attack us are about the same as the MARTIANS SHOOTING DEATH RAYS AT US. You dont really care though as long as you can party hearty because Americans are DYING. You Republicans just LOVE to watch Americans die THAT is why you love wars.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:50 pmUncle Fester Lurks,
If a backhanded appology is what you meant, I accept it knowing that THAT is what you meant, a backhanded apology.
You wrote:
Supposed…???
An apology usually is not plump with implications of disengenious assertions about a persons “SUPPOSED” stance.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:54 pmStratRat Says:
Bush needed OBL to remain at large so Bush could escalate his war on Americans.
Mission Accomplished!
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100% correct!
During the Iraq war (Bush impeachment) hearing congress held a few months ago democratic congressman Maurice Hinchey of New York had this to say:
“We had Bin Laden pin downed in Tora Bora when Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld suddenly called off the marines. Why would he do this? Because if Bin Laden would have been killed or captured it would have been harder for the Bush administration to sell the coming war with Iraq to the American people.”
November 7th, 2008 at 6:55 pmMax-1, It wasn’t meant as a backhanded apology. I wrote it the way I was thinking when I first responded to your original comment. I thought you were some troll with sudden concern for our troops NOW that Obama has become president.
If you took it wrong or can’t accept my apology…I really don’t care and am done responding to your insistant sniveling and whining.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:59 pmUncle Fester Lurks,
November 7th, 2008 at 7:09 pmCool… And ditto!
EugeneDebs @ 6:40 pm. You are so right about republicans and war. My very republikkkan sister and I would argue about the war. She saw it as noble, God’s will, to save the poor Iraqi citizens from a ruthless dictator, to keep the Iraqi oil out of the hands of terrorists…
Later on I asked her that if the war continues there will have to be a draft to support it and that my nephews may end up being drafted. Her response “Oh no, I’d make them move with me to Canada.”
The sad thing about this war and all wars for way too many Americans is if it doesn’t affect their families personally then they just don’t really care.
The Bushites have the poor, criminals, immigrants fighting this war along with high paid mercenaries from BlackwaterUSA, they (Cheney) learned from the way the media covered the Vietnam war not to allow photos of dead or wounded American soldiers or innocent men, women or children to be shown in photos or on TV. Out of sight, out of mind. If it soesn’t affect most Americans…they will continue to support the war until it totally falls apart.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:09 pmOh boy, RupturedRectal put in his stupid 2 cents.
Sick Phuck that he is.
How’s President Phuckaberry doing?
November 7th, 2008 at 7:10 pmStratRat,
November 7th, 2008 at 7:12 pmRemember, OBL is NOT wanted for 9/11.
Besides, how can we kill a dead man?
Buckie Boy Says:
Oh boy, RupturedRectal put in his stupid 2 cents.
Sick Phuck that he is.
How’s President Phuckaberry doing?
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Heh! rumor have it that he has gone into hidding in the wilderness, others say he has been entombed in a cave to be resurrected in 2012, while others say he has a pathetic new show on FUX Noize.
Now understand these are all just rumors but I did see a folksie, preachy type of guy with a snaggle tooth on FUX the other night…
November 7th, 2008 at 7:15 pmLooks like Daryll only stopped by just long enough leave behind some troll droppings then split.
Typical rethuglic party chickenhawk, Willing to kill for Christ, but only if someone else does the actual fighting. I guess the sick phuck lives vicariously.
With that, I bid you good night, and good luck.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:23 pmMax-1 Says:
StratRat,
Remember, OBL is NOT wanted for 9/11.
Besides, how can we kill a dead man?
I pride myself on keeping up with current events (since 1964). Your information is absolutely new to me – and to the planet. OBL may be dead – or may be alive. All I know is that he certainly was not a priority for our lovable ‘dear leader’. Is capturing or killing OBL a priority for you?
November 7th, 2008 at 7:26 pmStratRat, I think Max-1 is implying that Bin Laden is not on the FBI’s most wanted list, which doesn’t really mean a thing.
And you are correct we do not know if Bin Laden is dead or alive and thats just what the Bushites want it so they could roll out those new scary Bin Laden videos to control the American sheople.
What matters is Bin Laden has never been captured. When it was pointed out that the master mind behind 9/11 (Bin Laden) is still freea was recently pointed out to Bush press secretary Dana Peroxide she disagreed naming some other Al Qaida member who was recently killed as the real mastermind.
So for all of Bush’s tough talk of dead or alive, he was just full of sh*t! They never wanted to capture or kill one of their own.
November 7th, 2008 at 7:41 pmStratRat,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD1zgaWl5hE
or,
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html
WANTED POSTER:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
… “In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.”
Yet, even the FBI does not definativly state 9/11.
And finally,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtOckG5tNhc
:)
November 7th, 2008 at 7:46 pmFred,
November 7th, 2008 at 8:39 pmSome reading…
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1852345,00.html
Finally,
November 7th, 2008 at 8:46 pmAn argument to ponder:
For those who defend the US’s capacity to cross international borders without permission so as to smoke out “THE BAD GUY”, are you not proposing that other countries should be allowed to do the same and cross US borders, without permission and bomb our cities and towns, just to smoke out “THE BAD GUY”?
Tracy__5 Says:
I think that the recruiter is using the Obama win for a great purpose. Putting out the word that now would be a great time for anyone to join the military….they won’t have to be deployed anywhere or really have to do much of anything.
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Except that is dishonest. It will take probably a couple of years to draw down the forces in Iraq and Afghanistan will be a longer campaign. We should ALL hope that peace breaks out and we dont NEED to deploy our military anywhere. Peace is a GOOD thing unless you are an unrepentant warmonger but it isnt here YET. Perhaps Obama can accomplish with diplomacy what Bush was unable to accomplish with stupidity and rash policies. We will see. That will be a good day if it happens. Lets be optimistic
November 7th, 2008 at 10:39 pmMax-1 Says:
Finally,
An argument to ponder:
For those who defend the US’s capacity to cross international borders without permission so as to smoke out “THE BAD GUY”, are you not proposing that other countries should be allowed to do the same and cross US borders, without permission and bomb our cities and towns, just to smoke out “THE BAD GUY”?
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Well yes and no. I am certainly not supportive of the US demanding other countries comply to standards we would never accept for ourselves. That kind of moral inconsistancy is pure hypocrisy. On the other hand we HAVE a functional justice system and other than the CIA other countries arent threatened by US criminals. Also we arent talking about going into Britian or Germany to GET the bad guys because they are also strong enough to control the bad elements in their societies. What I THINK we should do is make treaties with countries that CANNOT control the dangerous elements within their borders and have international strike forces that would accomplish things like GETTING a Ben Laden. This would be in their best interest as those elements are dangerous to THEIR soveriegnity also AND it would lessen the chance of being invaded by more powerful countries because of the actions OF those elements. I hear what you are saying and its a good and often overlooked point. I dont think in THIS PARTICULAR CASE it is quite that simple
November 7th, 2008 at 10:44 pmWell great Tracy_5, does this mean you are joining the military soon?
November 7th, 2008 at 11:31 pmI pride myself on keeping up with current events (since 1964). Your information is absolutely new to me – and to the planet. OBL may be dead – or may be alive.
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November 8th, 2008 at 7:08 amNovember 8th, 2008
drogen
Trolls are indeed no different than the moles in “whak-a-mole”.
They boasted of our defeat, yet come back to get kicked square in the nuts.
At least they continue to show resolve for their own ignorance.
November 8th, 2008 at 9:30 amOne way to help fix the economy is to end both the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. I sincerely hope Obama does just that.
November 8th, 2008 at 10:48 am“chance’s” ???
November 8th, 2008 at 1:50 pmThe ubiquitous apostrophe strikes again! Ever heard of spellcheckers?
drogen,
If your main goal here is to plug for viagra, kindly fcuk off.
You’ve been reported.
November 9th, 2008 at 12:14 amHi, i think that the recruiter is using the Obama win for a great purpose.
April 21st, 2009 at 5:41 pm