Poll: Majority of Americans liked Obama’s first presser as President-elect.
Yesterday, President-elect Barack Obama gave his first press conference since being elected, discussing his plan to move forward on the economy and other issues. In a poll out today, Rasmussen Reports found that a majority of Americans liked the tone Obama set during the presser:
Over half of U.S. voters (54%) say they followed Very Closely news stories about Barack Obama’s first press conference as president-elect yesterday, and nearly as many (52%) say he set the right tone in his remarks.
Another 26% say they followed news of Obama’s Chicago press conference somewhat closely, and just six percent (6%) say they did not follow news of it at all, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey taken Friday night.
Twenty-eight percent (28%) do not think Obama set the right tone in his remarks. One-out-of-five (20%) are not sure.
The poll also found that “over half of voters (52%) expect President Obama to do a better job on the economy than President Bush.”
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Within the error of the poll, that is the percent of voters who opted for Obama.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:37 pmI saw it, I liked it, and I liked the shot at Nancy. I laughed out loud in my office. I also thought his comment about himself being a mutt was humbling.
From now on we need to seperate the Conservatives from the Republican, who should now be called the Religulats. They are the Rightwing nuttery, that wil put Palin up for Pres in 2012. I wonder if by then the Conservative party will eventually realize they have been had by these Religulats, and they will undermine ANYTHING in their endtimes cause.
Poor Goldwater Conservatives, he would NEVER support Proposition 8, and letting government get under the sheets. Are the Religulats kidding me. It was a Utah based rightwing program.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:43 pmPoll: Majority of Americans liked Obama’s first presser as President-elect.»
– - Oh, so the first date went OK.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:43 pmIt was nice to hear someone speaking clearly and intelligently. I’m looking forward to more news conferences.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:45 pmIf you were not near to brain dead (no offense to any families) then you could do a better job than Bush when it comes to the economy. And you would know better than to put your nose in the bedrooms and churches of America. Aw, hell, you’d know a whole lot more than our current lame-duck just by default.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:57 pmAnd 30 percent of Americans use the Fixed News Channel as their primary source of information. I wonder if these there might be a correlation here? (duh).
November 8th, 2008 at 3:57 pmWow we now have an educated President who shows respect and one we can be proud of. I liked the way Obama put Bush and Republicans in a corner to either help the American people or he will sign his bills on Jan. 20th to help Americans. He also did good by explaining to those who look for help now that it is Bush who is still in charge. If Republicans don’t support Obama now they will not be re elected next time.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:01 pm28% of those polled do not think Obama set the right tone.
28% is roughly the percentage of people who think Bush is doing a good job.
“…you can fool some of the people all of the time…” I’m guessing that “some” would be about 28%.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:03 pmWe need to get those 28% some therapy for their issues.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:06 pmObama’s speech, much like his campaign, was lacking in specifics. More like hoping things work out. He seemed more involved with the section of a new puppy.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:07 pmwell they didn’t pole
keltoi, now did they?
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November 8th, 2008 at 4:07 pmI haven’t seen it but I heard pretty good things.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:09 pmarco Says:
Obama’s speech, much like his campaign, was lacking in specifics. More like hoping things work out. He seemed more involved with the section of a new puppy.
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another troll comes back.
where were you guys
before the election?
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did you remember to vote?
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“section”?
the troll problem with
spelling continues.
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November 8th, 2008 at 4:11 pmI like his think tank selections. I have seen the group and it’s impressive for the talents they bring with them, though not all are to everyone’s satisfaction, which is the point. I think he is feeling out all the viewpoints and making sure he listens to every one that he can. He knows the media is gonna put him under the microscope and he won’t screw up if he can help it. After all, he wouldn’t want to be the first black president AND a failure because he doesn’t have the luxury of fading into the background of presidential failures like Bush blends in with Nixon, Bush Sr., etc.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:16 pmthe Lone Voice of Reason Says:
I like his think tank selections
I should have high-lighted it the first time for arco’s sake.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:18 pmHe was “lacking in specifics” because he’s not president yet and didn’t want to overstep his boundries by dictating policies to the current administration.
It’s called respect for the current president. I’d think you who support Bush would appreciate this as opposed to harping on him for not saying enough.
Perhaps he should just take over in a coup? Would that make you happy?
November 8th, 2008 at 4:20 pmSo now that Obama is President, is the need for Affirmative Action over? A black man gets the top job in the United States. I should think Jesse Jackson is out of job now.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:21 pmStupid Git says: Perhaps he should just take over in a coup? Would that make you happy?
It’s make ME happy ;)
November 8th, 2008 at 4:21 pmarco Says:
Obama’s speech, much like his campaign, was lacking in specifics. More like hoping things work out.
Like McCains’ bromides? “We’ll balance the budget in the first term, and get our troops out of Iraq with honor.”
But no specifics. The next four years are going to be very uncomfortable for you, my friend. And I will enjoy every moment of your discomfort, and pain. You righties have it coming — and the crow’s always served hot, here at the TP Diner.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:24 pmAs if 2 years of polls wasn’t enough? what’s next, Obama on “Rate My Poo”?
Give it a break already…sheesh…
November 8th, 2008 at 4:26 pmarco Says:
So now that Obama is President, is the need for Affirmative Action over?
There’s still affirmative action — in Iraq.
We must help those poor oppressed Iraqis, and shower them with reconstruction gifts.
Now that’s affirmative action, my friend.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:29 pmThis statement displays your true nature. Whats wrong? A black person beat you out of that job at McDonalds?
Rethuglican Burger Flipper: “Would you like lies with that?”
November 8th, 2008 at 4:31 pmThe next four years are going to be very uncomfortable for you, my friend.
And all Americans. But it will be good for India and Asian countries. That seems to be where the free market jobs are going as socialism expands here in the US.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:31 pmThis has been running through my head ever since Obama won and I think it has it summed up pretty well. Perhaps you will recognize it–
“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way
November 8th, 2008 at 4:32 pmarco Says:
So now that Obama is President, is the need for Affirmative Action over?
Wanna’ bet we’ve spent more money in Iraq, than was ever apportioned for affirmative action — by a factor of ten?
November 8th, 2008 at 4:33 pmThe poll also found that “over half of voters (52%) expect President Obama to do a better job on the economy than President Bush.”
A squirrel trained to choose policy by dropping acorns in various chutes could do a better job on teh economy than Bush.
For that matter, maybe even arco could do a better job than Bush.
…Okay, that might be pushing it.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:34 pmarco Says:
And all Americans. But it will be good for India and Asian countries. That seems to be where the free market jobs are going as socialism expands here in the US.
Boo hoo.
With Obama’s tax plan rewarding companies who create jobs in the US, your fear is unfounded, my friend.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:35 pmI am so bored with this socialism bullshit. The inherent greed of US society will always offset any baby steps toward a more egalitarian society.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:36 pmThat makes your imagined “socialist” future different from contemporary freemarket capitalism HOW?
November 8th, 2008 at 4:37 pm#26 ralph the wonder llama Says: For that matter, maybe even arco could do a better job than Bush.
…Okay, that might be pushing it.
Nah, I am sure arco doesn’t have to take his socks off to count to twenty
November 8th, 2008 at 4:38 pmRalph, dbadass, you guy want this one? He’s kinda puny, and I was going to throw him back…
November 8th, 2008 at 4:38 pmThe economy went bad in 2007, shortly after Pelosi and Reid took over Congress. Look it up.
The Federal Reserve controls the economic cycle. Congress controls spending. The President of the US has minimal impact on the economy. As D’oh-bama said yesterday, he has to work with Congress to get a stimulus bill passed when he takes over. And will Pelosi and Reid bow down to D’oh-bama?
November 8th, 2008 at 4:39 pmI don’t know, barfly. He’s hardly worth the effort, but I’m so out of practice that I think I’ll take a few whacks just to keep my stroke sharp.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:39 pmHope you are feeling better today dbadass. Smash some trolls for me, I’m off to work again but at least I still have a job.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:40 pmCongress controls spending.
Hilarious!
How much off-budget spending do you think Obama will do?
As much as Bush?
You seem to have a high-school grasp of econ, and of politics.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:42 pmThanks and I am, the Lone Voice of Resaon. I hope whatever you do for work is still enjoyable and stimulating . BTW: is there a preferred shorter form of “the Lone Voice of Reason”?
November 8th, 2008 at 4:42 pmAfternoon ralph. I have to return a rental video but I suppose if you wanna do a little Fuji and Tanaka type deal I can always tag out for a few. Do you have any extra salt I can bless and then throw from the turnbuckle? I’m all out…
November 8th, 2008 at 4:45 pmNo, it’s not very enjoyable or stimulating and LVR works, thanks.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:45 pm#35 You seem to have a high-school grasp of econ, and of politics.
Hey, that’s a whole buncha grade levels above you!
November 8th, 2008 at 4:45 pmAnd, pray tell, what exactly did Congress do with regards to spending that, in your view, caused the economy to go bad?
November 8th, 2008 at 4:46 pmCareful guys… this particular troll is apparently a Bed-Rock Moron. Prolly been huffin’ glue since the age of 6 or 7, from the quality of the comments.
Ralphie… you get the first shot.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:46 pmAnd will Pelosi and Reid bow down to D’oh-bama?
And what would lead you to like someone who’s a constitutional law scholar to someone as stupid as Homer Simpson, my friend?
Because he’s black?
November 8th, 2008 at 4:48 pmMake that “liken.”
November 8th, 2008 at 4:48 pmThe one thing I liked about his first news conference was that he called on all the major MSM except for Faux Noise. I’m sure that really pissed them off. I hope he continues to freeze the out after the way they have prostituted their position of trust as a “news” organization.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:49 pmSo? How much damage could that do in four years?
November 8th, 2008 at 4:49 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
And, pray tell, what exactly did Congress do with regards to spending that, in your view, caused the economy to go bad?
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You could always ask it about Botch’s endless, ever-increasing deficits, or the continuous, non-stop decline in the dollar, which strangely enough parallels the steady drop in Botch’s approval ratings.
Or Botch’s constant emergency spending bills to keep fueling his bloody rampage in Iraq… how about the ballooning of Federal spending from 2000 coming forward, brought to us by those infernal Borrow-and-Spend GOOPers?
November 8th, 2008 at 4:49 pmOooo, barfly, you gonna take that? arco prolly be waitin for ya at recess.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:49 pmHey, that’s a whole buncha grade levels above you!
I said, “seem,” but thanks for the confirmation, my friend.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:50 pmarco Says:
“But it will be good for India and Asian countries. That seems to be where the free market jobs are going”
hey turdlicker- wasn’t it your nitwit in chief in the white house who made a speech singing the praises of indian mangoes in return for all those outsourced american jobs heading to india? just curious
November 8th, 2008 at 4:51 pmAnd, pray tell, what exactly did Congress do with regards to spending that, in your view, caused the economy to go bad?
Over $700B in bailout money with no strings attached, that banks are hoarding and using to buy other banks rather than extend credit to a market that needs money.
Second, Congress refuses to act on energy. That’s the #1 issue facing America in the future. What do you think you’ll be plugging those future cars into? Unless we build nuclear power, there won’t be enough power. Congress also refuses to act on alternative energy (wind and solar) that is sitting idle in the southwest and in Texas because there are no transmission lines.
If Congress had acted on energy, you wouldn’t have paid $4 a gallon back in the summer. Only a global recession has gas prices down now. Wait until demand increase, as Congress does nothing again year after year.
Wait until you see your home energy bills in the future as Congress does nothing year after year. Expect those bills to triple very shortly.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:51 pmbarfly Says:
Because he’s black?
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Actually, barfly, folk like arco tend to think everyone is as stupid as they are… it’s part and parcel of being dumb as a doorknob. It is simply IMPOSSIBLE for arco to understand that the rest of us are not as intellectually stunted as he. or she, is.
They just can’t grasp the concept.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:51 pmarco prolly be waitin for ya at recess.
They’d have to show him how to get outside, first.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:52 pmarco Says:
“Over $700B in bailout money with no strings attached”
yes, just a dumbya wanted…coporate welfare. what’s your b*itch?
November 8th, 2008 at 4:52 pmarco Says:
Obama’s speech, much like his campaign, was lacking in specifics. More like hoping things work out. He seemed more involved with the section of a new puppy.
Since he is the President elect not the President, it would not have been appropriate for him to bring forth specifics at this time. As for his campaign lacking specifics, it was only those who couldn’t be bothered to either listen to his speeches (which contained lots of specifics) or go to his website (which contained lots of specifics) who are are dumb enough to say, in public, that Obama lacked specifics in his capaign.
You lost troll. Get over it and learn to live with it. Otherwise the next 8 years of your life are going to be total hell for you, sort of like the last eight years have been for us.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:53 pm“Careful guys… this particular troll is apparently a Bed-Rock Moron”
Excellent, that was the type I did my grad work with. I was like the Jane Goodall of bedrock-morons…
November 8th, 2008 at 4:53 pmSo… a bailout package enacted in October of ‘08 in response to the economic meltdown is your answer to the question of what exactly Congress did to CAUSE the meltdown?
Oh yeah, the wingnut farm system is starting to turn out some prized recruits.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:55 pmZooey Says:
It was nice to hear someone speaking clearly and intelligently. I’m looking forward to more news conferences.
Goodness yes! And he’s telling the truth!
I still haven’t come down from the President-ELECT Obama high.
This is the second time I felt proud of the US, the first time was being sworn into the Air Force Reserves.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:55 pmHow could he not do a better job than the WAR CRIMINALS of BUSH/CHENEY.
And Clearly 28% of America has their head firmly up their collective a$$…those conservative bigots will be against him no matter what he does to help them and all Americans.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:55 pmWon’t the backwater arco’s be upset, when Obama’s tax policy, namely tax breaks for companies who create jobs in the US, is a hit with the American people?
And his tax breaks for wind and solar maufacturing companies who create jobs here?
Can you say permanent republican minority?
I knew you could.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:55 pmarco Says:
And, pray tell, what exactly did Congress do with regards to spending that, in your view, caused the economy to go bad?
1) Deregulating the financial industry. 2) Giving tax cuts to the rich and then starting two wars. 3) Turning this country into the United Corporations of America.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:55 pmIt’s just a consequence of their utter inability to generate any empathy for others.
Maybe that’s why John Kyl is so suspicious of empathy:
Jon Kyl, the second-ranking Republican in the U.S. Senate, warned president-elect Barack Obama that he would filibuster U.S. Supreme Court appointments if those nominees were too liberal.
Kyl, Arizona’s junior senator, expects Obama to appoint judges in the mold of U.S Supreme Court Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, David Souter and Stephen Breyer. Those justices take a liberal view on cases related to social, law and order and business issues, Kyl said.
“He believes in justices that have empathy,” said Kyl, speaking at a Federalist Society meeting in Phoenix.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:57 pmOver $700B in bailout money with no strings attached, that banks are hoarding and using to buy other banks rather than extend credit to a market that needs money.
That Paulsen was shreiking he needed in days…
You seem to forget who was in charge of this bailout.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:59 pmarco Says:
Over $700B in bailout money with no strings attached, that banks are hoarding and using to buy other banks rather than extend credit to a market that needs money.
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Geez… what was Paulson’s FIRST demand (Botch’s Sec of the Treasury???) – Gimme the money, NOW, w/ NO OVERSIGHT or possiblitity of review, ever.
Spoken like a True Fascist, huh?
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Second, Congress refuses to act on energy.
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Gee… ya mean deliberate obstructionism on the part of Congressional GOOPers every time the Dems tried to get a bill passed the last 2 years around this had NOTHING to do w/ it? Really? NOTHING?
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If Congress had acted on energy, you wouldn’t have paid $4 a gallon back in the summer. Only a global recession has gas prices down now.
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Actualy, this prolly isn’t even close to the real answer. The weakening of the dollar against other world currencies was definitely part of the price increase. And when the Dems wanted to investigate possible market manipulation and the part hedge funds speculating in oil futures played in all of this, the GOOP naturally blocked that too.
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Wait until demand increase, as Congress does nothing again year after year.
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Funny, Li’l Feller… you’re so hot to blame Dems for this, but last time I checked, the GOOP controlled the House from 1994 to 2006, and got absolutely NOTHING DONE around this issue, huh?
Guess it is the Dems fault for not fixing over a decade of GOOP inaction in just 2 years. BUT, we’re all terrified of Gay Marriage and Flag Burning, huh?
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Wait until you see your home energy bills in the future as Congress does nothing year after year. Expect those bills to triple very shortly.
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Translation: The sky is falling!!! The sky is falling!!! (Oops… I wet myself…)
November 8th, 2008 at 5:02 pmArco says he is an idiot – man where does the RNC dig up these brain dead morons.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:02 pmarco Says:
So now that Obama is President, is the need for Affirmative Action over? A black man gets the top job in the United States. I should think Jesse Jackson is out of job now.
Yep let’s get rid of Affirmative Action that helps more white women than African-Americans. HAHAHAHA Any more insignificant jokes?
troll you look even more pathetic especially against a sea of intelligence.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:08 pmBuckie Boy,
November 8th, 2008 at 5:08 pmThe barrel is about empty. There is only slime to squeegee from the bottom.
ralph the wonder llama Says:
Kyl, Arizona’s junior senator, expects Obama to appoint judges in the mold of U.S Supreme Court Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, David Souter and Stephen Breyer. Those justices take a liberal view on cases related to social, law and order and business issues, Kyl said.
“He believes in justices that have empathy,” said Kyl, speaking at a Federalist Society meeting in Phoenix.
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Actually, GOOPers do believe in empathy, Ralphie, especially when they’re being sentenced on some morals charge, ya know, diddling underage pages, or absconding w/ the money… sumpin’ like that.
Geez… we’re all so desperate to play a little Whack-A-Troll™ that we might have piled on here w/ poor little arco.
I’m not even sure this one was up to the legal limit. We should have prolly just throwed him back, sos’s he could grow up a little more.
Siiiigh… I suppose we could go to cage raise Trolls, like the quail Cheney likes gunning down by the dozen, but it’s just not the same, is it?
November 8th, 2008 at 5:09 pmThe economic crisis is global. More imperiousness will not help.
Let the looting end.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:11 pmAnd don’t he look SWEET standing up there!
November 8th, 2008 at 5:13 pmObama made a MISTAKE by needlessly taking a shot at Nancy Reagan. Why antagonize your defeated opponents, when you are trying to bring Americans Together.
I know…republicans deserve it….but I’d like to think Obama is smarter than that. He did , after all, run a near flawless campaign.
He also DID apologize to Nancy Reagan. He is a quick learner.
OK I forgive him.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:16 pmSince you trolls and the repugs in general don’t like freedom, truth and harmony, it shows by your regrouping efforts to make your lies more believable to the public. You don’t get it.
Yall won’t change your narrow views because you are actually that arrogant and ignorant.
We proved it on 11/4, crybabies.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:20 pmarco Says:
The next four years are going to be very uncomfortable for you, my friend.
And all Americans. But it will be good for India and Asian countries. That seems to be where the free market jobs are going as socialism expands here in the US.
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Brainless peacocks like you are just pathetically ignorant. You KNOW you are too stupid to add to the discussion so you just search around for the proper talking point. Doesnt matter it has no connection to reality whatsoever. The Limborg TOLD you to believe it and regurgitate it so you do. When it comes to stupid you are a Jedi Master
November 8th, 2008 at 5:22 pmarco Says:
#35 You seem to have a high-school grasp of econ, and of politics.
Hey, that’s a whole buncha grade levels above you!
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Since you obviously took the shortbus to your High School special ed classes I doubt that VERY seriously.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:25 pmBadger Says:
Obama made a MISTAKE by needlessly taking a shot at Nancy Reagan. Why antagonize your defeated opponents, when you are trying to bring Americans Together.
I know…republicans deserve it….but I’d like to think Obama is smarter than that. He did , after all, run a near flawless campaign.
He also DID apologize to Nancy Reagan. He is a quick learner.
OK I forgive him.
Oh please, like nancy and her late husband didn’t think of African-American as some openly. raygun is a racist and so is the whole clan except the son and the the daughter.
nancy’s fortunetelling, nuttiness deserves a swipe.
President Obama isn’t going to walk on eggshells because he’s Black.
Chimpy said much worse.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:26 pmIt seems to me that collegiate legacy set asides and athletic “scholarships” are as sort of affirmative action that the racists freaks nerver wanna discuss. Do they not take away valuable educational opportunities from more qualified learners?
November 8th, 2008 at 5:28 pmY’all seem to have run the troll off.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:30 pmdbadass Says:
It seems to me that collegiate legacy set asides [...] are as sort of affirmative action that the racists freaks nerver wanna discuss.
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Ya mean… ***droll pause***… like Botch going to Yale, or J Sidney McCain getting into Annapolis? Those sorts of legacy admissions??
November 8th, 2008 at 5:31 pmgummitch Says:
Y’all seem to have run the troll off.
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Aw, geez, gummitch… we get so few live ones here these days, the boys just went overboard. We might hafta resort to importing cage-raised Trolls. But it’s not nearly the same as coming face-to-face w/ a full-grown, wild bull Troll in the underbrush, huh?
Just mano a trollo… there’s nothing quite like it…
November 8th, 2008 at 5:34 pmGame of Life,
I agree with everything you said in your comments.
BUT… I Still don’t think Nancy Reagan deserved a Swipe FROM OBAMA.
And by his apology, Obama apparently agrees with me.
I’ll bet that many people who voted for Reagan also voted for Obama. Why alienate them?
Obama should leave the Reagan Jokes to others.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:36 pmOh please, like nancy and her late husband didn’t think of African-American as some openly. raygun is a racist and so is the whole clan except the son and the the daughter.
Let me rephrase this.
Nancy and her late husband did some overtly racist acts during his terms. raygun wasn’t any hero to me. Ron and Patti seem pretty cool though.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:42 pmOIC, you want to sing Kubaya with the nasty repugs. Yuck!
November 8th, 2008 at 5:44 pmHere is the thing about the whole lets get along now that the wingnuts have lost power meme. IF we take the bait they will use it to further portray the left as weak and without principles. THEY are the party of Ann ‘Gangleskank’ Coulter Rush ‘druggie’ Limbaugh and Miceal ‘Weinerdog’ Savage vicious verminous attack dogs the right does NOTHING to rein in and who they repeat endlessly. So it all falls apart there. They OBVIOUSLY care nothing about getting along or they would shun garbage like them. I say be civil to those who DO make the effort but the days of the left bending over whenever the rightwing waves a tube of K-Y jelly in our direction should be long gone. We need to stop taking knives to gunfights and slap these loser morons around EVERY TIME they even begin to get testy. The message should be I am WILLING to be reasonable but we arent forgetting the HATE radio you guys love so come at me and I will GUT YOU
November 8th, 2008 at 5:46 pmdbadass @75.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:47 pmDid you proof this? I hope other readers get what you meant to type…
I guess we did run the troll off… (sigh) I feel pretty badly now.
We didn’t mean to be so hard on the poor li’l feller, but his buddies have been so scarce lately…
As much as I hate to think about it, I’m afraid we may have to consider the cage-raised trolls suggestion from TRoS. What would we feed them, though? Would we have to import Right-Wing Bullshit so they’ll grow up strong and stupid?
November 8th, 2008 at 5:56 pmReagan was no hero to me either. I had the pleasure of voting Against him for Governor ,and for President Twice.
Reagan kicked off his 1980 presidential campaign with a states’ rights speech in Philadelphia MISSISSIPPI…which is where three young civil rights workers were MURDERED.
This was Southern Strategy politics, not coincidence.
If Sen. Obama feels the need to address Republican Racism, he should do do Directly.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:56 pmgotta still pity the 28%ers who are standing at the station, watching history chug away from their irrelevancy.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:58 pmBadger Says:
Obama made a MISTAKE by needlessly taking a shot at Nancy Reagan. [...]
He also DID apologize to Nancy Reagan. He is a quick learner.
within mere hours, and unprompted… good call, literally.
i agree, it was dumb, a bit low, and even incorrect (he said seance, she used astrologers)… but i chuckled – at the same time thinking ‘oh no, he’s gonna get hit on that’…
but i haven’t heard much from wingnuttia…
i also agree wholeheartedly with EugeneDebs… i’m not ready to make nice… it doesn’t work with righties.
November 8th, 2008 at 6:08 pmWhat a breath of fresh air. It’s time TP keys on these kinda stories. But let us never forget, thank you.
November 8th, 2008 at 6:13 pmthanks for telling us now, arco.
:)
November 8th, 2008 at 6:52 pmralph,
November 8th, 2008 at 7:03 pmMaybe we can get some grant funds to research the troll genome… How hard could it be and the applications are so limitless.
I’m just in for a few minutes and would like to sign on to that study, dbadass. Some of the simplest creatures have the most complex genomes. Fascinating stuff.
I think that we can probably start with the assumption that the stupid trolls are full of autonomic systems that take the place of human intellect. I bet they can climb the heck out of trees too.
November 8th, 2008 at 7:33 pmI have a question for our idiot troll, if he can answer it.
What is wrong with socialism? There are many socialist countries on this earth and as far as I can see they are all peaceful, prosperous and happy countries. They take care of their citizens because they respect them and feel that the citizens of the country are a country’s greatest asset. They consider things like health care a right and not a privilege.
So, idiot troll, please tell us what is wrong with socialism (if you even know what it is).
November 8th, 2008 at 7:34 pmOf course. The fat ones probably gear their skills more towards burrowing and camouflaging themselves with litter. But I hear that they are attracted to talking windup dolls.
November 8th, 2008 at 7:35 pmI have to give you guys props. You handled that and didn’t leave any troll poop lying around after. I don’t think you were too tough it’s just that GOOPers are so weak.
November 8th, 2008 at 7:45 pmMy question is what’s wrong with paying taxes. When you pay taxes for services they’re deductible from your income. When you pay outright for services like garbage, sewers, etc. they’re not.
November 8th, 2008 at 7:48 pm“Lush” is a good name for the troll.
November 8th, 2008 at 8:32 pmHangovers do suck. Try recovering from an 8 year bender!!!!!
November 8th, 2008 at 8:48 pmLushInterior Says:
You are such an ignorant punk and such a worthless troll I have to think you are really a lefty trying to make rightwingnuts look like ignorant worthless pieces of garbage
November 8th, 2008 at 8:48 pmI think 2009 just could be the best year of my life.
Don’t forget those aluminum cans. Your best hedge against inflation!
You could always enlist…
November 8th, 2008 at 9:25 pmSure LushInferior, like you haven’t been getting food stamps sent to your double wide in Redstateville these last 8 years.
November 8th, 2008 at 9:48 pmlush,
keep drinking.
it’s good for your liver.
*
good luck.
:)
November 8th, 2008 at 9:58 pmThe bravest “warriors” among the trolls will save their worst for the “RINO’s” who disgraced them. I’m not sure how TP feels about linking to uncensored sights, no porn I swear, so I’ll just recommend that you check out FSTDT. Between the Fundies and the Freepers it’s pretty disturbing.
But, I figure that the worst of them will turn on each other when they can’t find any of the imaginary “communists” they fear so much. And most will sit in the basement and argue, on line, about who’s radical enough to attract the most insane people. It’s going to be fun if no one gets hurt.
November 8th, 2008 at 10:01 pm28% = Bush supporters
November 8th, 2008 at 10:39 pmLushInterior; excellent parody of a troll. You got just enough stupidity in to make the outlandish claims sound like they could have come from a real wingnut.
Top notch stuff.
November 8th, 2008 at 10:44 pmTen quick lessons from the US election
For the US political junkies out there, the BBC’s Nick Bryant provides “Ten quick and easy lessons” from this break-the-rules election.
1. NORTHERN DEMOCRATS ARE VIABLE AGAIN
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2. LIBERAL DEMOCRATS ARE VIABLE AGAIN
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7717578.stm
interesting take…
November 8th, 2008 at 10:52 pmlushinnterior is actually my ditto-head in-law…
November 8th, 2008 at 10:55 pmhe thinks he’s funny…
Yeah he’s funny katy, as in does this smell “funny” to you? Or does something look “funny” with that guy? As in we better call security because something “funny” is going on.
November 8th, 2008 at 11:08 pm… she’s ba-aaack…
An Obama Tilt in Campaign Coverage
By Deborah Howell, Ombudsman
Sunday, November 9, 2008; Page B06
The Post provided a lot of good campaign coverage, but readers have been consistently critical of the lack of probing issues coverage and what they saw as a tilt toward Democrat Barack Obama. My surveys, which ended on Election Day, show that they are right on both counts.
My assistant, Jean Hwang, and I have been examining Post coverage since Nov. 11 last year on issues, voters, fundraising, the candidates’ backgrounds and horse-race stories on tactics, strategy and consultants. We also have looked at photos and Page 1 stories since Obama captured the nomination June 4. Numbers don’t tell you everything, but they give you a sense of The Post’s priorities.
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The op-ed page ran far more laudatory opinion pieces on Obama, 32, than on Sen. John McCain, 13. There were far more negative pieces (58) about McCain than there were about Obama (32), and Obama got the editorial board’s endorsement. The Post has several conservative columnists, but not all were gung-ho about McCain.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/07/AR2008110702895.html
hmmmm… might that “tilt” indicate something other than, more profound than, bias?
could it indicate that one candidate was BETTER than the other?
think?
November 8th, 2008 at 11:09 pmOh, poo, did you guys chase off Lushie? Just when I was in the mood for a troll snack.
So Lushie, still around to play the game?
Let’s start with health care, since I just got back from the ER after taking my asthmatic spouse in for another bad spell. He delayed going in because of a lack of coverage. So if he had died this time, would you have been there to console my kids?
Item One: Obama will improve the health care system, something that the current president never dirtied his poor piggies with NOR did the Repug Congress, and which the slim majority of Dems controlling Congress since the fall of 2006 were unable to get by without veto or filibuster.
Next, you have a job and a 401K still. Good for you, since the rate of unemployment caused by the spiraling inflation and encouragement of jobs to move overseas with outsourcing has reached a high not seen since the Depression.
Item Two: Obama pledges to fix our broken economic system and infrastructure, create a better green economy by increasing growth in solar, wind and water technology AND to eliminate the tax breaks and loopholes given by Bushco for those who did the outsourcing and penalize them with higher taxes for doing so while encouraging them with tax breaks to hire more workers from the USA.
Obviously you have received tax breaks and stimulus from the current administration, since you seem to be above the $250,000 level
Item Three: You will pay a FAIRER share of taxes under Obama’s plan, to be increased only by the small percentage over the $250,000 on your personal or business income. Why should the working poor have to schlep the load for you? Talk about being a welfare queen, look in the mirror.
Post back and I will give you many more reasons to go smash your thick little noggin against a brick wall. I can go on for a long time and I am just warming up.
November 8th, 2008 at 11:09 pmit’s scary how delusional the bots are… making “jokes” about a most serious situation, all the time without a hint of comprehension of the reality…
almost pisses me off that THEY will benefit too…
not that i expect an admission… much less a thanks…
November 8th, 2008 at 11:13 pmkaty Says:
lushinnterior is actually my ditto-head in-law…
he thinks he’s funny…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yeah he THINKS he is funny. Sadly he is only pathetic
November 8th, 2008 at 11:19 pmthe next evening, i got an email from the ditto-head in-law –
another clever use of color, type size and style, that he somehow things makes the message more profound… he wrote:
I know you have been very emotionally involved in this election. This is just a little humor relief from a Republican who still loves you.
the attachment read:
O (in huge 120pt times font, white on black background panel)
sh!t (very very teeny tiny, underneath it)
the “love” note didn’t work and i’d had it with the degradation -
my reply:
I can tell by that “humor” that you are not going to help. That means YOU are a “monster” too…
Last night wasn’t just a victory for tolerance; it wasn’t just a mandate for progressive change; it was also, I hope, the end of the monster years.
What I mean by that is that for the past 14 years America’s political life has been largely dominated by, well, monsters. Monsters like Tom DeLay, who suggested that the shootings at Columbine happened because schools teach students the theory of evolution. Monsters like Karl Rove, who declared that liberals wanted to offer “therapy and understanding” to terrorists. Monsters like Dick Cheney, who saw 9/11 as an opportunity to start torturing people.
And in our national discourse, we pretended that these monsters were reasonable, respectable people. To point out that the monsters were, in fact, monsters, was “shrill.”
Four years ago it seemed as if the monsters would dominate American politics for a long time to come. But for now, at least, they’ve been banished to the wilderness.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/the-monster-years/
maybe i was too harsh…
November 8th, 2008 at 11:41 pmLush probably had to go back to his padded room and look at the ink blots with bitbit and bambam.
November 8th, 2008 at 11:42 pmGood grief, arco, try a bit harder to allow Omama, the PRES- elect, the opportunity to succeed. What specifics do you want when the petulant Bush is still the deciderer? Any Obama specifics are inappropriate and would be criticisms of Bush’s disastrous two terms so why go there. And what section of a puppy is best?
November 8th, 2008 at 11:46 pmkaty, no, you were no harsher than my child when she threatened to stick a fork in her uncle (unfortunately my older brother) for the racial remarks he made at a family dinner. Damn funny when my itty bitty grandma told him to STFU and go in the other room to sit at the kiddie table.
November 8th, 2008 at 11:47 pmgus smith Says: And what section of a puppy is best?
Well, they do seem partial to the part that wags
November 8th, 2008 at 11:47 pmTo “freeman”, and any other doubting-thomas:
A book titled “Change for America,” being published next week by the Center for American Progress, an influential liberal think tank, will recommend, for example, that Obama rapidly create a National Energy Council to coordinate all policymaking related to global climate change.
The center’s influence with Obama is substantial: It was created by former Clinton White House official John D. Podesta, a co-chairman of the transition effort, and much of its staff has been swept into planning for Obama’s first 100 days in office.
I’m pretty sure Obama has his liberal agenda being well cared for, thanks for the “concern”.
November 8th, 2008 at 11:58 pmI don’t like the government giving my hard earned tax dollars to other nations to start wars or to keep an opposing country in “check.” But it happens.
lushy you can do something about the ” big payback” instead of trying to be silly.
I feel then Sen. now President Obama should have let the chips fall where they may. let those crooks tank like eron. These crooks should be in jail not giving themselves parties, vacations and spa treatments on our dime.
Let the honest people take charge. Which will happen.
Now what lushy?
Tell us why your candidate should have won.
I’m going to have a special, truly happy Christmas this year.
November 9th, 2008 at 4:33 amFrom Frank Rich….
For eight years, we’ve been told by those in power that we are small, bigoted and stupid — easily divided and easily frightened. This was the toxic catechism of Bush-Rove politics. It was the soiled banner picked up by the sad McCain campaign, and it was often abetted by an amen corner in the dominant news media.
So let’s be blunt. Almost every assumption about America that was taken as a given by our political culture on Tuesday morning was proved wrong by Tuesday night.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/09/opinion/09rich.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
November 9th, 2008 at 6:56 amHow creepy that–while all the world prays our new President can somehow clean up the mess–the Republicans are on their knees, praying for things to worse.
You know it’s true. They wingers are on their knees right now, saying “Dear God, please let all sorts of terrible things befall America. I don’t care how bad it is–just so long as it hurts the Democrats.”
A video by me, called “De-reg-u-la-tion”:
November 9th, 2008 at 7:34 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aypMFARJW84
arco Says:
And all Americans. But it will be good for India and Asian countries. That seems to be where the free market jobs are going as socialism expands here in the US.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
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Economics ain’t really your strong subject, is it?
So THAT’s why you voted McCain.
November 9th, 2008 at 9:23 amDNFP Says:
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To “freeman”, and any other doubting-thomas:
Thanks for the consideration .Here’s my take on it .
November 9th, 2008 at 10:10 amDoubt and criticism are not always a bad thing . Sometimes it is beat to doubt or our criticize ourselves and our friends because it can often help us grow or question our actions as individuals . The same can be said of both the party and the nation.
The democrats have won this election I feel perfectly comfortable letting them know that they will not be given a free pass .Sometimes only a good friend will care enough to tell you the truth .
Score cards ready………Nancy says lets pay GM to make cars so we wont have to buy them? Now Yugo. Platitudes and paradigms the Rue of the day at 98.7 degrees. Ouch! Luke 11.42…..BHO prefers cold hard cash, Chicago style. You like?
Speaking from experience, I’d suggest not posting drunk, during the middle of the night.
November 9th, 2008 at 10:18 amAlso allow me to apply this logic to many of the posts here .
November 9th, 2008 at 10:21 amI have been told by several people who look at this site and the huff po as well that they no longer bother looking at the comments because of the rudeness ,expletives and generally adolescent behavior exhibited .
Think progress is an icon of the left and calling names and insulting other posters with personal attacks does nothing more than turn off those who are undecided or possible converts.Such behavior does this site and the progressive agenda in general a great disservice .
I still have grave doubts about Rahm Emmanuel but hope to be proven wrong , sincerely.
November 9th, 2008 at 10:24 amThe democrats have won this election I feel perfectly comfortable letting them know that they will not be given a free pass .Sometimes only a good friend will care enough to tell you the truth .
That’s nice, dear.
And we feel perfectly comfortable, pointing out that you are now politically irrelevant, my friend. You have been effectively marginalized by America’s voters, and your opinions must be considered in that light.
Now, you can attempt to find the “high road,” after traveling in the gutter the past eight years, but as friend, I must ask, would you even know the high road if you actually saw it?
November 9th, 2008 at 10:29 amThink progress is an icon of the left and calling names and insulting other posters with personal attacks does nothing more than turn off those who are undecided or possible converts.Such behavior does this site and the progressive agenda in general a great disservice .
See my last post.
November 9th, 2008 at 10:32 amThose that know me are few ,
November 9th, 2008 at 10:32 amthose that abuse me are honored ,
the sage wears rough clothing and holds the jewel in his heart.
Tao Te Ching
Americas voter put the man I stumped for into the presidency, how have I been marginalized ?
November 9th, 2008 at 10:33 amAre you so desperate for a place to live out your aggressions on line that you would pick a fight with a friend .
November 9th, 2008 at 10:35 amAmericas voter put the man I stumped for into the presidency, how have I been marginalized ?
Stange, that we never knew you stumped for Obama, before this precise minute.
I would posit, you’re attempting to find a comfortable bit of rhetorical shade. Or, in plain english, I don’t believe you.
November 9th, 2008 at 10:36 amSigning statements ,domestic spying , torture war , those are the enemy friend .
November 9th, 2008 at 10:36 amfreeman Says:
Signing statements ,domestic spying , torture war , those are the enemy friend .
Sorry, but it’s way too early to sing kumabya.
November 9th, 2008 at 10:37 amMake that “Kumbaya.”
Crappy keyboard.
November 9th, 2008 at 10:38 amTry typing my name into the little search bar at the top of the page and reading my posts for the last 3 years , then get back to me . Have to go for a couple of hours as My wife is selling our wares 45 minutes from my home at an art show and I’m agoing to be late unless I leave now .
November 9th, 2008 at 10:40 amLove is the answer but you know that already.
….
I am good to people who are good ,
i am good to people who are not good ,
because virtue is goodness .
tao te ching
freeman Says:
Those that know me are few,
I much prefer “if you wait long enough by the riverbank, you will see the bodies of your enemies float past.”
November 9th, 2008 at 10:41 amfreeman Says:
Signing statements ,domestic spying , torture war , those are the enemy friend .
Sorry, but it’s way too early to sing kumabya.
EXACTLY MY POINT . the democrats must know that the very internet that helped them into power will be used to keep them honest .
November 9th, 2008 at 10:43 ambye for now.
EXACTLY MY POINT . the democrats must know that the very internet that helped them into power will be used to keep them honest .
bye for now.
Like it was soo useful keeping Bush honest.
Right.
November 9th, 2008 at 10:44 amSince TP isn’t posting new threads until after the talkshows (from Raw Story):
US combat troops in Iraq battle to defend savings
US Lieutenant Colonel Mark Grabski has been busy on the computer over the past few weeks — not to follow the history-making presidential election but to check on his dwindling savings.
“I had a list of icons, my favourites, the funds that are working with Thrift savings programme. Every single day, their rates were just collapsing,” said the officer posted at Camp Speicher, north of the Iraqi capital.
“Virtually, I’ve lost right now tens of thousand of dollars,” said the 31-year-old who is in charge of criminal inspections of the base.
Grabski said a third of his salary goes into Thrift, an additional pension scheme for US civil servants and soldiers. “I’ve lost 30 percent of my savings in this programme due to the financial crisis.”
Army pensions are meant to pay out 50 percent of the salary of soldiers with 20 years of service and 75 percent for 30 years, but many rely on the Thrift programme to further secure their retirement.
Camp Speicher has been abuzz with the latest grim statistics of the crisis, often overshadowing the election campaign which resulted in Barack Obama’s triumph as America’s first black president-elect.
The crisis back home has dealt a cruel blow to combat troops who have had to endure dangerous patrols and firefights in the dusty alleys of Tikrit, former hometown of executed dictator Saddam Hussein.
The impact of the financial crisis on the savings and pensions of US troops in Iraq is difficult to estimate. But it has spared neither the young recruits nor the veterans nearing retirement.
“We’ve been encouraging young recruits to invest their money in that (Thrift) programme. When you arrive in Kuwait, before coming to Iraq, it is actually one of the first papers you are given,” said Grabski.
For Major Daniel Meyers, who works with the US military’s central command for northern Iraq, the losses have been limited to about 3,100 dollars.
“I’ve been only investing eight percent of my salary but it is still money for me,” he said, referring to his pay of around 5,000 dollars a month for serving in Iraq, compared to about 2,000 for an ordinary soldier.
November 9th, 2008 at 10:55 am“Can’t we all just get along”?
¶ AIO
November 9th, 2008 at 10:55 amposts for the last 3 years
We’ve been here that long, or longer tool.
So? You’re a life-long concern troll, we KNOW…
November 9th, 2008 at 10:57 amI wasn’t going to get on for a while because I have that odd hour job to get to in a minute, but freeman does post here a lot and I have to say he isn’t a troll. That would be alcyone, whom I have not heard from since I got it to admit McDepends would lose, Timmy, bitbit, bambam, tracy-5, well, heck, you really can tell from the snarkiness who’s who.
I think freeman has points sometimes, like we all do. I just don’t like him being dismissed out of hand because of a few posts that are “off”, that’s all.
Please save your good troll-whacking for the deserving and have a great day today while I am off to the idiot factory were they breed trolls daily. :)
November 9th, 2008 at 11:00 amfreeman Says:
I still have grave doubts about Rahm Emmanuel but hope to be proven wrong , sincerely.
The Left now has it’s equivalent of KKKarl “Turd” Rove in Rahm Emanuel. Like I said, when the drunken state wears off, we will see Payback time, and these New Neocons have the potential to invoke the wishes of Likud Party, Surveillance, Perpetual War, and Wall Street the same as Bush. The difference is Obama is painted as the Second Coming, whereas Bush was likened to the Anti-Christ.
Have no fear, there are still some Real Progressives and even Eisenhower Conservatives that are keeping a very careful watch on Obama, and like Bush, will not let him get away with similar tactics to Bush, except now with a Smiling Face instead of snarling. What i want to know is, will Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul be offered any positions in this new Likud…….er…….Democratic Administration. I hear they are floating Lieberman, Dennis Ross, and Jane Harmen in cabinet positions. Harmen, well….she thinks there should be MORE surveillance of Americans.
http://www.alternet.org/election08/106189/is_obama_screwing_his_base_with_rahm_emanuel_selection/
Illinois Congressman Rahm Emanuel is a member of the so-called New Democrat Coalition (NDC), of group of center-right pro-business Congressional Democrats affiliated with the Democratic Leadership Conference, which is dedicated to moving the Democratic Party away from its more liberal and progressive base.
November 9th, 2008 at 11:08 amI think freeman has points sometimes, like we all do. I just don’t like him being dismissed out of hand because of a few posts that are “off”, that’s all.
Whenever someone comes on and starts lecturing us on how inclusive we must be to be taken seriously, my hackles rise, uncontrolably. We don’t have to be inclusive, when it makes us look like the wimps they’ve portrayed us as. That just strengthens the stereotype.
Give us strong reasons why we should ignore the past treatment we have received. Political reasons, not “play nice” rhetoric. And explain how this won’t be turned against us, as being wimpy.
November 9th, 2008 at 11:10 amThe Left now has it’s equivalent of KKKarl “Turd” Rove in Rahm Emanuel.
Please.
Let’s not jump into the rhetorical excess pool.
Did Emanuel out a covert CIA agent?
I’ve heard some blistering things said about Emanuel, but nothing that would lead one to conclude he’s a rat-f#cker like Rove.
November 9th, 2008 at 11:15 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
freeman is a concern troll. Go play in the highway.
Dope! You say the same things all the time. Is your brain functions that Linear?
Personally, I love putting facts in front of Lefties and Righties on their gods and their actions, and seeing the same response.
I will admit that Thinkprogress is not as frightened to have opposing POV’s unlike Freerepublic, which will ban you if you disagree with them.
November 9th, 2008 at 11:18 amI think freeman has points sometimes, like we all do.
He just clouds them in a fog of ranting, endless, repetitive tripe, in true troll fashion.
Quoting Taoism doesn’t make you less a fruitcake either.
November 9th, 2008 at 11:19 ambarfly Says:
Please.
Let’s not jump into the rhetorical excess pool.
Rhetorical? Unlike yourself, I most likely look at ACTIONS of people. Rahmie is already insane with power and being the powerful Likud spokesman in the US Government.
Now you do know that equation about Power and Absoluteness?
Rove is/was a prick beyond description. Rahm is a dual citizen who supports Israeli terrorists, including his own father. He voted for war with Iraq. He thinks all Palestinians should be killed. He was the largest corporate lobbyist. You think Nancy Pelosi was/is bad?
Add to the mix, Joe “I am a Zionist” Biden, you have a potential to be far more dangerous than Karl Rove and company. These Leftist Neocons have one thing going for them that the Righty Neocons didn’t………Intelligence.
The big question is whether Obama will be for We the People or for Israel, Telecoms, Surveillance, Military, Perpetual War, Pharmaceuticals, and Wall Street.
November 9th, 2008 at 11:27 ambrain and freeman are progressives only if they can have it their way.
They have been posting disparaging remarks about the Obama campaign all through the process. They are like naderites, unless thier guy is in there then they have decided what is right for all of us.
All the while failing to see the sucess we have had agianst the wind produced by brain and freman et al.
We are finally moving in the right direction and they have condemned us to failure before the inauguration.
I considider it to be naive. Not really understanding how the world really works.
November 9th, 2008 at 11:33 amOne step at a time, gas-huffers.
You can’t change 50 years of corruption in government with one election.
You want to tear down the broken system and fix it, so do I, but if you’re calling to completely bring this country to it’s knees (and the World at our throats), destroy then rebuild the hierarchy of wealth, you’ve got one choice:
REVOLUTION
And I really don’t care about this shit-filled country enough for that. It’s really not that special.
The World is full of culturally aware, relevant and caring societies that I wouldn’t mind living in before I die.
November 9th, 2008 at 11:40 amThe big question is whether Obama will be for We the People or for Israel, Telecoms, Surveillance, Military, Perpetual War, Pharmaceuticals, and Wall Street.
The honeymoon ends, cut short by the groom’s relatives constantly calling, and asking “ so, what are you guys going to do first?”
You’re sounding just like the drunken, crazy conservative lady I met in the bar, the night of the election.
She made some of the very same points.
Let’s take it one day at a time, shall we?
November 9th, 2008 at 11:43 amIf you want hardcore progressive society, come and get it, no waiting:
http://www.studyinnorway.no/Living-in-Norway/Norwegian-society
Norwegian society
Norwegian values are rooted in egalitarian ideals. At the beginning of the 20th century, we began enacting fairly radical welfare laws, culminating in the post-war years’ sweeping reforms that turned Norway into the progressive welfare state it is today. The welfare state is still the ideal for most Norwegians, not least because it seems to be doing quite well.
Norway undoubtedly has one of the best welfare systems in the world, making sure that people who are sick and unable to work, or who are unemployed for whatever reason are not left out in the cold, but are given support so that they are able to live with dignity. this, coupled with a strong public education system and public health care system, has lead to a society in which it is easier to bounce back from a bad start in life, or a bad year.
We like to think that it is these ideals, and not just our monetary wealth, that has made the United Nations consistently rank Norway as the best country in which to live in recent years.
November 9th, 2008 at 11:49 amFrom the other thread for freeman and brain…….see, it’s happening to some degree already. Give it a chance.
When you elect someone to office you let them make their decisions and pick the people they want. That’s the way it’s set up. We don’t have to know why. Results will tell the story just as it did with bush.
from the other thread:
November 9th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Right on fred, and in case ya’ll didn’t know, look who’s heading Obama’s first 100 day agenda!!!
Obama reviewing Bush orders on stem cell research and drilling, Podesta says
Associated Press
WASHINGTON — President-elect Obama’s transition chief said Sunday the incoming administration is reviewing President Bush’s executive orders on stem cell research, oil and gas drilling and other matters.
John Podesta said the president can use such orders to move quickly without waiting for Congress to act, highlighting the extraordinary powers a president can wield beyond signing legislation approved by Congress. Podesta said people should expect Obama to use those powers to reverse many policies of the Bush administration.
“I think across the board, on stem cell research, on a number of areas, you see the Bush administration even today moving aggressively to do things that I think are probably not in the interest of the country,” Podesta said in a broadcast interview.
“There’s a lot that the president can do using his executive authority without waiting for congressional action, and I think we’ll see the president do that,” Podesta said.
LINK
(I specifically send you this link the DallasNews.com so you can rot your brain in the “comment” section of Texan-fcukwits… )
November 9th, 2008 at 12:00 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
The one thing I liked about his first news conference was that he called on all the major MSM except for Faux Noise.
I hadn’t even noticed that. My bad. Wouldn’t it be sweet if that becomes a regular thing at his press conferences? Billo the clown will be doing the thorazine shuffle by Easter :)~
November 9th, 2008 at 12:01 pmBetter get busy, lots ‘o reading here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/orders/
November 9th, 2008 at 12:10 pmLushInterior Says:
==============================================
HE??????????
yea, MY ditto-head in-law, whom i was referring to, is a male.
katy Says:
lushinnterior is actually my ditto-head in-law…
he thinks he’s funny…
November 8th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
and, actually, i figured lush interior was all about a car…
November 9th, 2008 at 12:12 pm…um, how the fcuk do conservatives argue for less government in light of HUNDREDS of executive orders under Bush which did nothing if not INCREASE the size of government?
And with the compounded effect of lowering taxes AND building a bigger government, we end up BORROWING from our “enemies”???
This is how Republicans view good “stewardship” of our Nations best interests?????????????
November 9th, 2008 at 12:15 pmbarfly Says:
You’re sounding just like the drunken, crazy conservative lady I met in the bar, the night of the election.
And you sound like a doped up guy I met at the bus stop one day, and he said he is voting for Obama because he is black.
So when you also wake out of your Narcotic Stupor after 8 years of Fear and Hatred, let me know, I will still be as critical as I was with Bush.
By your definition, being Progressive means for war, surveillance, Israel, and Wall Street.
Do you even comprehend what you are saying? Do you realize that you have had your core values compromised and neutered? Don’t we dare question Jews and Blacks or we will labeled as Anti-Semites or Racists.
November 9th, 2008 at 12:16 pmi like what randi said about rahm the other day:
“nasty when he
hasta be”
poetry!
November 9th, 2008 at 12:24 pmYou know, I’ve been really civil with you brain and the above is the way you treat those of us who disagree with you.
You provide only speculation, fear and it seems hatred. You are so 2007 republican in your approach.
November 9th, 2008 at 12:32 pmkaty Says:
maybe i was too harsh…
I vote for not harsh enough :)~
November 9th, 2008 at 12:34 pmthe Lone Voice of Reason Says:
katy, no, you were no harsher than my child when she threatened to stick a fork in her uncle (unfortunately my older brother) for the racial remarks he made at a family dinner. Damn funny when my itty bitty grandma told him to STFU and go in the other room to sit at the kiddie table.
That is fantastic. Kudos to your daughter, and grandma too :)
November 9th, 2008 at 12:36 pmFred Says:
You know, I’ve been really civil with you brain and the above is the way you treat those of us who disagree with you.
Fred you are a lousy example of what a Progressive is. What are your fellow Obamatrons saying to the few people who still can think outside of programmed reality?
When I was ripping Dubya, everyone loved it. Posting facts, positing logical opinions, and generally being Sarcastic on the Bushies.
Now, when the shoe is on the other foot, you all turn into the same brainless mob with pitchforks and burning torches, similar to the Righties.
November 9th, 2008 at 12:44 pmBrain From Planet Arous Says:
Brain, it’s been really good talking to you. I love the civil discussions you always offer. I love ya man.
When you start calling us
lousy examples of progressives
Obamatrons
accusing of of living in a programmed reality
etc.
you cross the line of civil discourse and present yourself as the all knowing dissenter when in fact you are just speculating.
You are entitled to your opinion and I encourage you to post it. Just stop acting like you know something that the rest of us don’t know. We are not LIV’s
Oh and if you want to be treated with respect…..try treating others with a little respect, that works with kids.
November 9th, 2008 at 12:58 pmBy your definition, being Progressive means for war, surveillance, Israel, and Wall Street.
Do you even comprehend what you are saying? Do you realize that you have had your core values compromised and neutered? Don’t we dare question Jews and Blacks or we will labeled as Anti-Semites or Racists.
I don’t think I offered a definition for anything, Bunky.
It seems you’re the one who isn’t comprehending what I’m saying, and instead offering a badly-constructed strawman of me, that you can knock down, like the bully you are.
I said take it one day at a time. Don’t condemn out of hand, without fully comprehending what you’re attacking.
Yes, Emanuel’s known for hard-ball politics, and has a few unsavory connections – but I’m willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, on his judgement in this matter. Obama’s going into a political arena, that will attempt to Clintonize him at every opportunity. The media don’t want him as president, because he has, and will, shatter all their preciously guarded shibboleths about race, the country’s current ideological slant, economic theory regarding tax cuts, and a whole host of others. That he might feel the need to employ a bastard, to deal with the bastards he will encounter, seems logical. I withhold judgement for the first six months; you’re judging him, and he hasn’t even taken office yet!
November 9th, 2008 at 1:05 pmI mean, Emanuel might not even be on the team in January, so lighten up, already.
November 9th, 2008 at 1:07 pmBarfly, two questions:
1) What is your definition of “Progressive”
2) Are the following stances Progressive or Cro-Magnon?
a – Pro-War
b – Pro Wall Street
c – Anti Gay Marriage
d – Pro Surveillance
e – Pro Drilling
of course in six months, Obama might surprise me.
But…..When Bush was at 91% approval in October 2001, I was saying he will be exposed for what he is…a fraud. I have the same reservations now as I had then. Of course, this is subjective, except for my opinions from 2000 on, which are still posted at various sites and blogs.
So, if you don’t mind, I will say if a person in the Obama administration is for the people or for corporations.
Thank you Thinkprogress for not banning me like FreeRepublic has.
November 9th, 2008 at 1:18 pmBrain From Planet Arous Says:
You don’t get to define progressives brain. You’re just one person with an opinion, that’s all. I will just take one of your items to show you.
pro-drilling: We have been handed an energy crisis situation where we must get away from oil asap. We must maintain our economy while seriously moving in that direction. What progressive would not be for drilling reasonably and sensibly under those circumstances.
You see everything as black or white brain. You have a childs mind.
You automatically asign Obama to the corporatacracy. The problem with your message is that it imply’s that all business is bad.
Sorry, I belive in successful businesses in America, I just don’t believe they should not pay thier share of the cost of running the country nor should they be allowed to have huge monopolies such as the oil industry has on us right now.
November 9th, 2008 at 1:31 pmGlad to see some posts here with real substance ! I HOPE that we can focus on the real issues like the posts have since I left .Dissent is not a bad thing and I do appreciate the Emmanuel may not turn out to be the ” Decider “.
November 9th, 2008 at 1:39 pmBut I believe it is important that the democrats know that we are watching them .
It is to me a great worry that Mr. Emmanuel thinks like a neo con in terms of foreign policy . He may well serve Obama well in his first hundred days with his reputation as a hard ball operator by keeping the democrats in line in the removal of the horrendous laws that have been passed under Bush , time will tell.
Fred I do remember that you told me that after the election if the dem’s won we would go about the business of pushing them toward the restitution of the constitution and ending the war the war . Please understand that many of the posters here are left of the majority of the democratic party such as brain and myself .Lets work together to do what Obama asked from us while running his campaign , Keep him honest .
November 9th, 2008 at 1:43 pmEmmanuel may well turn out to be a valuble asset , we will have to wait and see .
November 9th, 2008 at 1:47 pmHe may also turn out to be the watch dog for AIPAC at the presidents door . In either case let the OBAMA administration be aware that we are not asleep and are paying VERY CLOSE ATTENTION !
LushInterior Says:
katy Says:
Yeah he THINKS he is funny. Sadly he is only pathetic
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HE??????????
Hint: It takes a sharp mind or a normal boy to imagine a “LushInterior”
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Hint: YOU would have no way of knowing. Not only dont you HAVE a sharp mind you wouldnt recognize one if it bit your sack. You are an idiot. You delude yourself into thinking youaer clever but you arent. In fact you arent within PARSECS of being clever much less funny. Your substandard brain isnt UP to clever or funny.
November 9th, 2008 at 1:57 pmLushInterior Says:
katy Says:
Yeah he THINKS he is funny. Sadly he is only pathetic
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HE??????????
Hint: It takes a sharp mind or a normal boy to imagine a “LushInterior”
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Hint: You would have no way of knowing. Not only do you not HAVE a sharp mind you wouldnt recognize one if it bit your nutsack. You delude yourself that you are clever but you dont come within PARSECS of being clever. Your hamhanded and frankly STUPID attempts at sarcasm are just pathetic. Your substandard brain isnt up to the task of crafting actual clever sarcasm. You are an idiot with delusions of adequacy.
November 9th, 2008 at 1:59 pmLushInterior Says:
EugeneDebs Says:
I have to think you are really a lefty….
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Thought provocateur be I? French? Yes. My lure has bound you. Oh what fun!
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No MORON be you and the lure of trainwrecks lures me in the same way. Pathalogical stupidity is appealing in exactly the same way. You drink deeply from the well of stupid and I find it astonishing that anyone would be so clueless as to be proud of their idiocy
November 9th, 2008 at 2:04 pmBrain Obama isnt as progressive as I would like to see. His FISA vote, is just one example. He IS however as progressive as we could hope for at this time. He is actually pretty progressive. I would LOVE to have seen Dennis Kucinich be president but that would be an alternate reality. Baby steps. Dont let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We should keep Obama honest but lets give him a chance and let him actually screw up before we jump all over him. IF Obama does well that will be GOOD for progressives. IF he does well enough then maybe a couple of elections down the road the people WILL look at a Dennis Kucinich type liberal maybe a Sherrod Brown or a Russ Fiengold. Helping to hurt an Obama will NOT help bring that about
November 9th, 2008 at 2:29 pmI’ll give Obama 100 points for NOT being McCain. How miserable it would be to have him as president elect right now.
Obama is intelligent and thoughtful. I, for one, feel like writing statesmen again. I’d like to recommend Dennis Kucinich for the State Department. The people of the world would be in love. Crank up the Department of Peace. Appoint actual diplomats to key positions as Ambassadors—not cronies, children of cronies, or Salvador Option types.
I’m happy as a clam with the potential for an administration that is reasonable and not showing any sociopathic tendencies. The bar has been so low that that’s a BIG step, and one absolutely necessary to the restoration of national sanity and social/economic justice.
November 9th, 2008 at 5:49 pmLushInterior Says:
genee-D, your mine!
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No Lush you are just a clueless moron. You THINK you annoy and you THINK you are clever but you just delude yourself those things are true because you are stupid. The FACT is you are ignorant and pathetic. You KNOW this which is why you dont even TRY to enter discussion. You embarass yourself and are too stupid to even know it. I pity you nothing more
November 11th, 2008 at 3:07 am