Wasn’t aware that “unbiased” was something in which you have an interest?

For bit, the only “unbiased” he’s looking for is this: What is it that’s better that Christianity? What belief would be better for holding the nation together?
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That is easy. That people and the CONSTITUTION are the proper repositories of power. That they should make up their OWN minds about religion and government. That religion is a PERSONAL choice and only those weak in their belief would demand that GOVERNMENT give THEIR religion some imprimatuer or official validation. That it is the HEIGHT of arrogance to demand that OTHERS conform to YOUR religious beliefs that to demand that is frankly un-American.

So your biased website says. Lets look at some REAL QUOTES by the founding fathers that show they didnt want religion within a country MILE of government

James Madison

In no instance have… the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people.

The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/james_madison.html

“The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State.” (1819). James Madison

“How a regulation so unjust in itself, so foreign to the authority of Congress, and so hurtful to the sale of public land, and smelling so strongly of an antiquated bigotry, could have received the countenance of a committee is truly a matter of astonishment .” (Madison, 1785, letter to James Monroe, on a failed attempt by congress to set aside public funds to support churches) James Madison

“The appropriation of funds of the United States for the use and support of religious societies, [is] contrary to the article of the Constitution which declares that ‘Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment’” (James Madison, Veto, 1811)

Benjamin Franklin

Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.”

“I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.”

“Some volumes against Deism fell into my hands. They were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle’s Lecture. It happened that they produced on me an effect precisely the reverse of what was intended by the writers; for the arguments of the Deists, which were cited in order to be refuted, appealed to me much more forcibly than the refutation itself. In a word, I soon became a thorough Deist.” Benjamin Franklin, from his autobiography

John Adams

“The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.” John Adams

“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” John Adams, Treaty of Tripoly, article 11

“But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed.” John Adams, letters to family and other leaders 1735-1826

Thomas Jefferson

“Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.” Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia

“The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

Give it up. There is NO WAY to read the founding fathers and believe a majority of them wanted Christianity to rule our government or to be PART of our government. This country was set up on enlightenment principles NOT religious principles. That is individual religious freedom should be respected. GOVERNMENT should be kept seperate from religion. It is just that simple

Nonetheless, couldn’t the same thing be said about the left. bit believes the left has an interest in maintianing the category “poor.”
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bitmoron believes this because he is REALLY stupid and was TOLD to believe this by his Limborg masters. Its pure undistilled ignorance and makes no sense whatsoever but it is a really stupid way to bash the left. The kind of bashing ignoramuses like bit just love, that is the really stupid kind

The difference between you guys and us is that we respect individuals’ right to choose their own beliefs, their own religion, including the choice to not believe at all.

What belief could those on the left choose, other that Christianity, that would benefit the nation?
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A false dichotomy. Choosing things like tolerance, love for one another are not STRICTLY Christian. Ghandi was not a Christian and yet emulated exactly those qualities quite well. The left could do the same. Leaving Christianity out of it entirely many good beliefs can be chosen by the left. Egalitarianism. Supremecy of the rule of law. Helping the needy. How about no longer voting for the villiage idiot like Bush to run things, basic competence would be nice. None of these are STRICTLY Christian concepts nor are they rejections of Christianity. Stuff your false dichotomy

So? Does this mean the real distinction between the parties will be one party believes in God and the other party doesn’t?

Or, is it already that way?
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No it isnt anywhere near that way. The way it is goes like this our side has a lot of really smart people and yours if full or REALLY stupid morons like YOU. Or as John Stuart Mills said while it is true that not all conservatives are stupid people it is true that most stupid people are conservatives. YOU are a stupid person who is conservative thus an incredibly ignorant post like this one.

It was Michigan, I believe.

Back to Pence, I think that he and a lot of other Republicans who exhibit such obvious denial of reality are in serious need of psychotherapy. I hope that there are enough shrinks in DC to handle them.

Peace
Love
Understanding
Tolerance
Golden Rule-’Do unto others as you would have them do unto you’
Kindness
Charity
Humanism
Baseball
Basketball
Football
Education
Sex
Rock N Roll
Happiness

Did Christianity bring together:
The Inquisition?
1930’s Germany?
1930’s Italy?
The KKK?
Aryan Nation?
Jonestown?
Branch Davidians?
Salem?
The US 1861-65?
England during their Civil War?
France during their Reign of Terror?
Latin America during their revolutions?
Europe 1914-18?
Europe 1939-45?

Christianity did bring together Europe in the genocide of tens of millions of non-Christians in the New World.

What is better than Christianity? Oh I don’t know… I figure it is no better nor worse than any other religion if your into religion.

unbiased linky?
November 10th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

Wasn’t aware that “unbiased” was something in which you have an interest?

For bit, the only “unbiased” he’s looking for is this: What is it that’s better that Christianity? What belief would be better for holding the nation together?

“My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures have become clearer and stronger with advancing years, and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.”

Was it “that” James Madison who said that?
November 10th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

Well. The founder were flesh and blood people for whom one isolated, 200+ year old quote, is probably not adequate.
He could have said that, but that’s not all he said.

from
James Madison and Religion in Public
David Barton – 09/2002

Third, Madison’s proposed wording for the First Amendment demonstrates that he opposed only the establishment of a federal denomination, not public religious activities. His proposal declared:

Significantly, the “Detached Memoranda” was “discovered” in 1946 in the papers of Madison biographer William Cabell Rives and was first published more than a century after Madison’s death by Elizabeth Fleet in the October 1946 William & Mary Quarterly. In that work, Madison expressed his opposition to many of his own earlier beliefs and practices and set forth a new set of beliefs formerly unknown even to his closest friends. Since Madison never made public or shared with his peers his sentiments found in the “Detached Memoranda,” and since his own public actions were at direct variance with this later writing, it is difficult to argue that it reflects the Founders’ intent toward religion.
Quoted from
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=105

BTW dbadass, do you suppose “…every noble enterprise…” would have included abortion and same-same gender marriage in Madison’s understanding?