Poll: Obama’s election boosts African-Americans’ views of America.
By on Nov 10th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Poll: Obama’s election boosts African-Americans’ views of America.
Via TPM Election Central, a new Rasmussen poll shows that the election of Barack Obama has had an immediate impact on many African-Americans’ views of America. The poll, taken two days after Obama was elected, found that “the percentage of black voters who view American society as fair and decent jumped 18 points to 42%.” The percentage saying that America is still unfair and discriminatory fell from 64 percent in early October to 46 percent today.
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Traitors! They never really loved Amurica!
November 10th, 2008 at 7:16 pmWhat a difference! A good leader does the populous well.
November 10th, 2008 at 7:17 pmThat’s fantastic.
Now, do we have to wait for the first gay president before we treat everyone as full citizens?
November 10th, 2008 at 7:20 pmHardly surprising…I wonder if Jesse Jackson was one of the ones who changed their minds?
November 10th, 2008 at 7:20 pmDriving thru South Central Philly about a month ago , was a serious reminder of the myriad problems affecting America’s black community . Poverty , crime ,lack of decent schools and housing come to mind as well as lack of higher educational opportunities .
November 10th, 2008 at 7:27 pmIn my opinion the general hopelessness felt by many there is the most serious difficulty facing the next generation . Obama’s election does wonders in this regard !If for no other reason , A black president is a good thing for the American people !
How many know that Obama’s economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, is a member of the Skull and Bones Secret Society?
November 10th, 2008 at 7:27 pmWell, CB, if it’s secret, how would we know? ;)
November 10th, 2008 at 7:31 pmZooey Says:
That’s fantastic.
Now, do we have to wait for the first gay president before we treat everyone as full citizens?
LOL That is great thinking Zooey! Can you imagine the first family! Oh crap I think 28% of the population would beg to be raptured NOW! LOL
November 10th, 2008 at 7:31 pmCB_Brooklyn Says:
How many know that Obama’s economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, is a member of the Skull and Bones Secret Society?
So is John Kerry, so what is your point?
November 10th, 2008 at 7:34 pmJohn Kerry Says:
HA!!!
This is CHANGE!!!! Welcome to the Obama suckers world!!
pitiful troll
What you really need to change is your piss filled Pampers.
November 10th, 2008 at 7:36 pmCome back when your mommy has changed you into dry clothes.
Wayne A. Schneider Says:
Well, CB, if it’s secret, how would we know? ;)
Well, Its a secret…
November 10th, 2008 at 7:39 pmIf he tells you how he knows, he would have to kill himself. /snicker
CB_Brooklyn Says:
You know, that is really one weird web site you have your name linked to.
November 10th, 2008 at 7:45 pmI did get quite a chuckle out of some of the stories though. Not very scientifically sound, but very amusing that someone actually believes some of that stuff.
Troll John Kerry, I don’t know if dbadass is around, but let me take the initiative and invite you to stick around for a bit. I don’t have much in the pantry, but I can whip up some chicken quesadillas with mango salsa, quacamole and sour cream.
You sit tight. Won’t take me a minute. Can I offer you a Dos Equis while you wait?
November 10th, 2008 at 7:46 pmWhat’s my point???
Why are so many high-level political figures (and others) in Skull and Bones?
i.e.
November 10th, 2008 at 7:47 pmJohn Kerry
John Bolton
George Bush Jr
George Bush Sr
Prescott Bush
Dana Millbank (Washington Post editor)
Wayne: regarding checktheevidence.com, your claim that it is “not very scientifically sound” does not make it so.
Let’s take this image, as an example. This is definitive proof of intelligent life of Mars. There’s no “conspiracy theory” involved, and nothing to debate. Proof in the photo data!!
November 10th, 2008 at 7:52 pmOMG, all these prominent women were in the Girl Scouts!!!
Madeline Albright
Barbara Bush
Laura Bush
Hillary Clinton
Elizabeth Dole
Sandra Day O’Connor
Nancy Reagan
It’s a conspiracy!!!
November 10th, 2008 at 7:53 pmBarack Obama has been President Elect for almost a week now, and he still hasn’t solved the World’s Problems.
Is That your complaint, John Kerry?
BTW…you don’t need to reply in your usual Drive By ,Boldfaced comments….it is a Rhetorical Question.
November 10th, 2008 at 7:56 pmOh no!! Famous Boy Scouts, too!!!
George W. Bush
Bill Clinton
Walter Cronkite
Gerald Ford
Harrison Ford
Bill Gates
John Glenn
Dick Smothers
AND
Penn & Jillette
We’re doomed!!!
November 10th, 2008 at 7:57 pmCB, you must have a different definition of “definitive proof” than I do. As someone once said, “your claim… does not make it so”
November 10th, 2008 at 7:58 pmCB_Brooklyn Says:
Why are so many high-level political figures (and others) in Skull and Bones?
Thats not a point, that is a question.
A lot of people who were not politicians, that went to Yale have been Skull and Bones members, including doctors who have found cures for diseases and developed artificial insemination.
Can you answer my question without another question and get to your conspiracy theory already?
Again, what is your point?
November 10th, 2008 at 7:58 pm*gasp* Obama’s taking his campaign websites down???
That must mean–everything on them was a lie!!!!!11!!
Or it might mean that his campaign doesn’t see the need to spend money maintaining the site….
Or it might mean that the stuff is being moved to Whitehouse.gov…
Or Whitehouse.org, which could use a cup of coffee…
So which is it, JFK? Is Barack Hussein Obama going to destroy America by doing the things he said he was going to do–or by not doing them?
November 10th, 2008 at 8:00 pmYou compare girl scouts to the evil skull and bones?
See this news video and see what many of these people are involved in. I don’t think they specifically reference Skull and Bones, but they’re all the same clan anyway. (There’s a few volume problems, but an important vid to watch…)
November 10th, 2008 at 8:02 pmCB_Brooklyn Says:
Wayne: regarding checktheevidence.com, your claim that it is “not very scientifically sound” does not make it so.
Let’s take this image, as an example. This is definitive proof of intelligent life of Mars. There’s no “conspiracy theory” involved, and nothing to debate. Proof in the photo data!!
Really, dude, that “evidence” has long been debunked. You really need to read some real scientific journals now and then…
Unless you think the Skull and Bones’ are controlling those too.
November 10th, 2008 at 8:05 pmShit, damn, ass! I missed John Kerry!
John if you are still about, I am just doing a veggie quesidilla ala Napolean Dynamite but still I am willing to share. The guac is homemade. Let’s talk…
You do realize that not responding makes you look more and more like a pussy each time we do this right?
November 10th, 2008 at 8:05 pmWayne: My point…
It does not matter who gets in the White House; they’re all puppets for the Global Elite.
Who do the Global Elite represent?? Well… they certainly don’t represent us !! :)
Those in power of the world are cold blooded killers. They don’t care about anyone except themselves and the money in their pockets.
I made an article that addresses some of these issues:
The 9/11 Truth Movement, Free Energy Suppression and the Global Elite’s Agenda
BTW, is it true that Obama was born in Kenya?? How could he be elected President of the USA? Isn’t that unconstitutional? How could he even run for President? Isn’t that unconstitutional? Sheesh.
Not that McCain would be any better though… he wants to be a dictator.
November 10th, 2008 at 8:12 pmWayne, if you can explain exactly how this image was debunked, please do!! I’m all ears! :) (Not Spock’s ears..)
November 10th, 2008 at 8:14 pmWOW!
November 10th, 2008 at 8:18 pmRalph, I must admist I didn’t read you at #14.
You really are my doppelganger aren’t you? Man I am so freaked out now…
freeman. Any chance you could swing by 9th and passyunk? I could really go for a cheese wit!
November 10th, 2008 at 8:19 pmWayne Says: You really need to read some real scientific journals now and then…
Unless you think the Skull and Bones’ are controlling those too.
——————————-
Do I think scientific journals are controlled? I addressed that issue in a newer article. Take a look:
9/11: Distinguishing The Propaganda From The Smoking Guns
This chart (sourced from corporations.org) explains it all.
November 10th, 2008 at 8:20 pmdbadass, do you think Troll JK would prefer a veggie quesadilla to chicken? Perhaps you’re right. I just hope we get a chance to find out one of these days.
November 10th, 2008 at 8:31 pmIf Obama was born in Kenya and got elected President of the United States, then who’s in store for 2012?
The Terminator???
2012 – end of the “present era” in Mayan Calendar.
November 10th, 2008 at 8:34 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
Did you add a fresh layer of foil to you tin hat this afternoon?
How’s your dunce cap fitting today?
November 10th, 2008 at 8:37 pmdbadass, I’m a little freaked out too.
Maybe we could both just sense that Troll JK was in a “quesadilla” mood today.
November 10th, 2008 at 8:37 pmCB_Brooklyn Says:
If Obama was born in Kenya and got elected President of the United States, then who’s in store for 2012?
What universe do you live in?
November 10th, 2008 at 8:38 pmIn this one Obama was born in Hawaii.
I think it would be interesting if Daryll assends with a bunch of Mayan clerics
November 10th, 2008 at 8:40 pmCBB,
November 10th, 2008 at 8:42 pmYou need to change to a denser foil for that hat of yours.
ROFLMAO
I figure in 2012 either one of those Simpsons aliens has a chance. Don’t blame me I voted for Kang…
November 10th, 2008 at 8:42 pmWayne Says:
What universe do you live in?
In this one Obama was born in Hawaii.
…a universe that knows the media is a propaganda tool. Obama was probably not born in the USA.
November 10th, 2008 at 8:51 pmThere’s an Athena Nike and a frog with a bow-tie in the Rorschach. Don’t you SEE it?! It’s right there–in my mind—which is all the proof ya need.
Hurrah for Obama and African Americans. I’m gonna party on inauguration day. He’s my first black president, too, and I’m darned proud of that.
November 10th, 2008 at 8:53 pmIs Dr. Hussein Matts a “witch doctor”?
November 10th, 2008 at 8:53 pmCBB,
November 10th, 2008 at 8:53 pmGet real TOOL!
That hat of yours… not working.
On election night, I flipped away from the celebrations on the TV to see how they were taking it on Fox noise… and caught an exchange between the hosts that consisted of: “Well, he is half white, you know.” And “His grandparents were white and grew up in Kansas.” after 3-4 comments like this, that was all I could stand. I flipped back to the celebrations.
November 10th, 2008 at 8:54 pm“Obama was probably not born in the USA.”
You are probably not the numbest individual on the face on the planet.
I mean not to be a jerk but you must admit that statement is just plain stupid…
November 10th, 2008 at 8:56 pmOn Topic..
November 10th, 2008 at 8:57 pmThis is great. I only hope it continues to get better.
Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
If you played on the freeway, would anyone really care?
You REALLY have a problem with roads don’t you?
OK, California’s African-Americans are actually the group that made gay marriage illegal in California with 70% of blacks voting for Prop 8. Amazing how one genetically pre-disposed group will act with prejudice against another. I wonder how many gay people voted for Obama in California? Once people get over the color and sexual preference issue, then people can be judged by their actions instead of pre-conceived groupthink.
November 10th, 2008 at 8:59 pmRalph and DB,
November 10th, 2008 at 9:00 pmWere either/both of you seperated at birth?
You all are freakin me out too! LOL
BFPA,
November 10th, 2008 at 9:05 pmGet off your high horse buddy.
Stop Blaming Californias Black Voters
it boosted my views too.
*
November 10th, 2008 at 9:13 pmCB_Brooklyn Says:
…a universe that knows the media is a propaganda tool. Obama was probably not born in the USA.
Is your proof on that funky web site too?
why don’t you provide a link to your proof?
November 10th, 2008 at 9:13 pmI am sure it will be entertaining.
CB is “out there” but it’s much better than rapture ready daryll!
November 10th, 2008 at 9:15 pm“CB_Brooklyn Says:
Wayne Says:
What universe do you live in?
In this one Obama was born in Hawaii.
…a universe that knows the media is a propaganda tool. Obama was probably not born in the USA.”
CB ~ don’t tell anyone but Hawai’i is the 50th state in the union (Aug. 21, 1959)
November 10th, 2008 at 9:17 pmebbAndflow:
November 10th, 2008 at 9:19 pmNow that’s just mean. Funny though…
Brain From Planet Arous Says:
California’s African-Americans are actually the group that made gay marriage illegal in California [...] I wonder how many gay people voted for Obama in California?
This question is amazing in its non-sequitur. Gay people voted for Obama and, in return, African-Americans should have voted against Prop 8?
Obviously, California’s African-American community didn’t get the memo on this secret pact/tit-for-tat. I think I’ll file this one under ‘W’ -for ‘WTF?’.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:24 pmCB_Brooklyn,
How do you feel about the Free Masons? :-D
November 10th, 2008 at 10:07 pmRandomChaos Says:
BFPA,
Get off your high horse buddy.
And you get off of the ground. I said, if you even read, that 70% voted for the measure, and 30% voted for it. That is a super majority. If religious crackpots voted against it, gays would not be in a secondary social position.
It is Unconstitutional, and Obama is opposed to gays being married.
End of story.
Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
Little Brain once again proves that she’s a complete and utter moron. “BLAME THE BLACKS!!!!” You racist pile of sh*t.
You know you would not say that to my face because you are a coward. I am blaming blacks, latinos, and religious fanatics in California. They are the ones who voted for the proposition. But don’t let facts get in the way of your damaged brain.
Geez, Thinkprogress, if this dolt is an example of a Progressive, I am glad I am an Independent.
I am enjoying seeing you make a fool of yourself. Please continue, since all you have is your filthy mouth.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:09 pmGregor Samsa Says:
This question is amazing in its non-sequitur. Gay people voted for Obama and, in return, African-Americans should have voted against Prop 8?
Obviously, California’s African-American community didn’t get the memo on this secret pact/tit-for-tat. I think I’ll file this one under ‘W’ -for ‘WTF?’.
Well there is a term going back to Poland in the 1980s called “Solidarity”. What it meant is that all repressed and prejudiced groups had a common thread, and backed each other up.
Obviously in California modern blacks don’t recognize this.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:13 pmA bit off-topic but blaming the African-American community for the passage of Prop 8 in California is wrong at so many levels, it’s hard to know where to even begin. It gets under my skin and I need to reply.
From a demographic standpoint, African-Americans represent only about 7% of the total population in California. Even if all of the adults in the African-American community showed up to vote, they still couldn’t have, single-handedly, passed Prop 8.
What’s more, most outside of California have the (wrong) idea that the state is “liberal” or “left-leaning”. I don’t know how they manage to ignore that we currently have a Republican governor.
Just to show you how socially conservative California actually is, take a look at this map (by the way, it matches very closely the results of the presidential election in the state).
As you can see, votes against Prop 8 and for Obama were concentrated in coastal counties, mainly in the SF Bay Area. Almost all the counties in the Central Valley and the Sierra voted the opposite: Those are very conservative communities (by the way, those are primarily either Caucasian or Hispanic communities, not African-American or Asian).
The biggest mistake that gay rights activists committed, in my humble opinion, was take inland California for granted. California is not the Bay Area -which is like a cultural, economic bubble, very different from the rest of the state.
Most communities outside of the Bay Area are very conservative; they vote reliably Republican. There is no way they would have noted against Prop 8 -unless gay rights activists mounted an effective campaign, which they didn’t. I was surprised they were surprised Prop 8 won. I was saddened, but unsurprised.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:15 pmAfrican-Americans don;t understand that Obama is simply a slightly tamer Bush who will not lead anyone out of poverty or to any “promised land.” Nader was right about him…
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/
November 10th, 2008 at 10:16 pmBrain From Planet Arous Says:
Obviously in California modern blacks don’t recognize this.
Why would they?
Their struggle during the Civil Rights movement, was over skin color, not sexual partner.
The feeling of betrayal in the gay community is, quite frankly, ridiculous. It is no secret that prominent leaders in the Californian African-American community absolutely reject the parallel that gay rights activists try to draw between their current struggle and the Civil Rights movement.
African-Americans do not see it under the same light. At all.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:21 pmNeither do Hispanics, by the way, and there are a whole lot more Hispanics in California than there are African-Americans.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:23 pmSome Americans will never let the pass go away both black and white. What I saw as a new generation of Americans who have left racism behind. Yes we saw some do their best to bring back the old hate but the young people told their parents let it go and change can happen if you believe. Now Republicans will have to regroup and catch up with the change to move forward. Children born now we not be tainted with the pass and it really is a bright future for all Americans.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:24 pmCB_Brooklyn Says:
Is Dr. Hussein Matts a “witch doctor”?
Nope, just an idiot.
What you are witnessing how “Progressive” so-called Liberals and Progressives are.
When I went to Freerepublic and criticized Bush and McCain, I get the same treatment you get here for questioning Obama.
Now, generally I like Lefties because they know how to party better, but when it comes to politics they are just as blind as righties.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:25 pmGregor Samsa Says:
Neither do Hispanics, by the way, and there are a whole lot more Hispanics in California than there are African-Americans.
I’m glad you agree with the facts. Both groups have been as oppressed as gay people. Modern, selfish culture sways people away from being communicative, as witnessed by the response from this site when facts are thrown out. No one on this site, with the exception of a few, can comprehend solidarity. So why the hell did they vote against an oppressed group?
November 10th, 2008 at 10:28 pmBFPA,
I read just fine sweety. Problem seems to be you can’t remember what you post. Here is a Hint..
OK, California’s African-Americans are actually the group that made gay marriage illegal in California with 70% of blacks voting for Prop 8. Amazing how one genetically pre-disposed group will act with prejudice against another.
END OF STORY
November 10th, 2008 at 10:29 pmJackie Says:
Some Americans will never let the pass go away both black and white. What I saw as a new generation of Americans who have left racism behind.
So in your opinion, when will people let go of their homophobia?
November 10th, 2008 at 10:29 pmBrain From Planet Arous Says:
So why the hell did they vote against an oppressed group?
In one word: Religion.
It is no secret that most African-American, Asians, and Hispanics are very religious. Again, their struggle is over ethnic, racial, and economic discrimination.
I don’t believe I need to explain more.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:31 pmRandomChaos Says:
BFPA,
I read just fine sweety. Problem seems to be you can’t remember what you post. Here is a Hint..
END OF STORY
What are you talking about? Hispanics, blacks, and religious fanatics contributed to the failure. Especially blacks, since they are more oppressed than Hispanics in California.
Now in keeping trying to defend homophobia, you are joining your brain-damaged brother Dr Floor-Mat in lack of comprehension skills.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:33 pmGregor,
November 10th, 2008 at 10:33 pmReligion, Nail on the Head my friend.
BFPA,
November 10th, 2008 at 10:37 pmNow your changing your story when called out. LOL
You stated it was ALL because of the Blacks. I called BS.
Now you change your tune.
Brain From Planet Arous Says:
Hispanics, blacks, and religious fanatics contributed to the failure.
Again with the Black and Hispanic bashing.
Most religious and socially conservative people (not necessarily fanatics, and regardless of skin color) contributed to the passage of Prop 8.
It was a failure of Prop 8 opponents who didn’t, couldn’t, or wouldn’t effectively explain why Prop 8 was/is unfair.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:37 pmGregor Samsa Says:
Brain From Planet Arous Says:
So why the hell did they vote against an oppressed group?
In one word: Religion.
You sure don’t, but I will add some more. Why is it that many leftists attack white religious fanatics, yet black religious fanatics are let off the hook?
Both are fanatics and nuts!
November 10th, 2008 at 10:41 pmTalk about comprehension problems. BFPA, where oh where did I ever defend Homophobia?
You are a piece of work shnuckums.
Just FYI, I am born and raised here in The Greater Bay Area.
That’s Northern California sweety.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:41 pmI’m an aging heterosexual white guy, raised in one of the Christian sects, and I feel a lot better about my USA now, too. WHY?
BECAUSE — the wall has been blown down. The highest office in the land is now truly an office of merit. There can now bw a President Silverberg. There can now be a President Garcia. There can now be a President Chung. There can now be a President AlHajal.
There can now be a woman President (thank you, Hillary.) There can now be a gay President. There can now be a Lesbian President. There can now be an (*SHUDDER*) ATHEIST President.
The goddam wall has been blown down. May the goddam wall rot. Hallelujah. I never thought I’d see it in my lifetime.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:45 pmRandomChaos Says:
Talk about comprehension problems. BFPA, where oh where did I ever defend Homophobia?
You are a piece of work shnuckums.
Just FYI, I am born and raised here in The Greater Bay Area.
That’s Northern California sweety.
Well, you seem to be defending why blacks voted against gay marriage.
Oh, San Francisco. It used to be a Progressive area at one time. Massachusetts is more advanced culturally now. Beautiful views though, and I remember the Old Waldorf fondly.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:56 pmZooey Says:
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That’s fantastic.
Now, do we have to wait for the first gay president before we treat everyone as full citizens?
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Over 70% of black voters voted FOR prop 8 in California.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:04 pmNote to self: should read full thread before posting.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:06 pmBFPA,
I was merely stating that your comment blaming it all on the Blacks was not right. That IS what you initially said. As Gregor stated very well. There were many mitigating factors, the 2 main ones being the Religious votes, and the failure on the part of the No on 8 campaign to get thier message out. The Bay Area is still very Progressive, it’s the rest of the state that needs to catch up.
It is Unconstitutional and I hope it is overturned.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:10 pmRandomChaos Says:
BFPA,
I was merely stating that your comment blaming it all on the Blacks was not right.
Perhaps I was not 100% clear. I did not blame it 100% on blacks. Everyone who voted for that Unconstitutional POS legislature is responsible. My point was one of solidarity between oppressed groups. In the beginning of last centaury it was Irish, Polish, and Italians besides blacks.
gays have since the beginning of evolution have been stomped and killed. That is why I think the most positive aspect of Obama as president is finally a bi-racial person elected. Now female, gays, and latinos. But, I do not want to see the white race driven out of our culture either.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:38 pmRandomChaos Says:
The Bay Area is still very Progressive, it’s the rest of the state that needs to catch up.
It is Unconstitutional and I hope it is overturned.
Murder rate is pretty high there, but I do like the Bay area, as I lived in California for 15 years from the late 60s to 1985. Personally, I think handguns should remain legal, and maybe that would reduce the murder rate, especially in Oakland. Either way, a massive social change is needed after 8 nightmare years, but I am not sure Obama is that “Change”, since he thinks gay marriage should be banned.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:46 pmOh my! What strange theories pop up when simple minds try to fathom matters beyond their wit? Why are nuts of all persuasions afraid of President-elect Obama?
He’s an intellectual. It’s really that simple.
And it’s been so long since the wackos have had to interpret the words of an intellectual leader that they have all gone bug-scat crazy because Obama won’t give literal answers to hypothetical questions or base current stances on future events. They are terrified by a person who says, “I don’t know, I’ll let you know when I’m in office and able to deal with it“.
Morons! They are so dependent on dogmatic adherence to their own particular delusions that they can’t even comprehend someone who refuses to promise a similar dogmatism. Since most of them seem to be turning on each other, because the differences in their individual delusions don’t stand up under the scrutiny of failure, I’ve been enjoying the imminent splintering of the old Jerry effing Falwell Religious Radical Right. When the biggest remaining block are those who think they would have fared better with Bible Spice at the top of the ticket? The GOP is in trouble.
Sadly, there will always be some who are delusional enough to be dangerous but, they may lose the monolithic lock that gave them political power beyond their actual numbers. The Bachmann-like idiots are dwindling in influence if not numbers and a couple years of effective governance, despite their screeching protests, should thin the herd even more.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:03 amWait a minute. You would rather vote your conscience and vote independent rather than show solidarity for the progressive movement in the last election…..
You did the same thing in 2000 and voted for nader…..some solidarity there. How many faces do you have?
November 11th, 2008 at 12:08 amObama didn’t say gay marriage should be “banned.” He simply is not in favor of it.
This is major disappointment to me in regard to President-elect Obama.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:09 amBrain From Planet Arous Says:
Both are fanatics and nuts!
You seem unable to separate opposition to same-sex marriage from homophobia and/or religious fanaticism.
Californians already extend the right to form domestic partnership to same-sex couples, which allows them to enjoy the same benefits heterosexual married couples do.
Adoptions by gay couples are also legal in California, and have been for quite some time.
By and large, Californians are not homophobic and have a laissez faire attitude towards same-sex couples. There are exceptions, of course. You can find haters anywhere.
In other words, it was not the idea of two people of the same sex, living under the same roof, adopting children, having a family, extending benefits to each other (health and otherwise) that brought out the No On 8 vote, but the thought of calling all of this by its name: Marriage (don’t ask; it doesn’t make any sense to me either.)
November 11th, 2008 at 12:10 amabarts Says:
Over 70% of black voters voted FOR prop 8 in California.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
That certainly is disappointing, and pretty damned ironic, but I really doubt that 70% of black voters made up a majority of the votes in California.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:13 amBrain From Planet Arous Says:
My point was one of solidarity between oppressed groups.
Let’s try this one more time. Minorities don’t see the Civil Rights movement and gay rights activism under the same light. Every time the two are equated by gay rights activists they manage to offend someone, because too many people still see homosexuality as a lifestyle one can choose.
They don’t see this as a matter of “solidarity between oppressed groups”. You might as well talk to them in Greek; you would get the same result.
I do not want to see the white race driven out of our culture either.
Wha? There is a reason why African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, are lumped into one category: Minorities.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:19 amOops! In my post above I should have said “that brought out the Yes On 8 vote”.
(it got really confusing at some point; my wife and I had to each constantly remind other whether a ‘yes on 8′ vote was against, or in favor of gay marriage)
November 11th, 2008 at 12:23 amrhf, Obama did not defeat prop 8. Try again, remember Hillary isn’t running now.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:43 amAnyone whose view of America was NOT boosted by Obama’s election (in light of the race issue) is indeed a bigot.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:48 amrepublicans hate facts Says:
While they didn’t make up the majority of voters they did make the difference between it passing and failing thanks to the Obama turnout.
And I still insist that they didn’t. African-Americans represent such a small percentage of the population in California (around 7%) that it is very unlikely a mass vote from their community could effectively swing an election either way.
This whole “blame the Blacks” mentality stems from the false hope gay activists had that the African-American community would understand, relate because of the Civil Rights movement.
They could not have been more wrong. And deaf, and blind to boot: It is a very well known fact that not only African-Americans do not understand gay rights as an extension of the Civil Rights they fought so hard for, they are offended by the idea. Prominent figures in the African-American community have been very vocal, for quite some time now, in their opposition to same-sex marriage.
In light of all these facts, I was surprised that opponents of Prop 8 were not more aggressive at getting their message out, not only in and around the Bay Area, but in the Central Valley, Southern California, and the Sierras. For an account on why Yes On 8 won, click here.
Again, it was not necessarily homophobia. It was a lack of a good effort on the part of gay rights activists to make their case to a public who is largely against using the word “marriage” to describe same-sex domestic partnerships.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:55 amlivelongandprosper Says:
CB is “out there” but it’s much better than rapture ready daryll!
Being “out there” brings one a lot closer to reality, believe me. Anyone who gets their, um.. cough cough… “news”, from CNN (or any other corporate-owned source) will not understand.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:12 amGregor @96 and elsewhere in this thread,
November 11th, 2008 at 1:20 amVery good post. Absolutely agree with your take and opinion on this matter.
CBB,
The link in your name is funny as hell.
A picture is worth a thousand words, but the image it captures is the result of thousands of events made up of billions of words.
Careful which “words” you chose to ignore, and which you deem “fact”.
p.s. that face on Mars is hilarious!
November 11th, 2008 at 1:26 amJohn Kerry Says:
Go away you moronic piece of garbage. You came in for months telling us how Obama was going to lose. Now you shamelessly come in with more patent idiocy I am not going to read. You are a moron and a troll and a disgusting piece of filth. Spare us your trolling and your stupidity. Go back to your bridge and leave decent people alone
November 11th, 2008 at 1:26 amralph the wonder llama Says:
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Troll John Kerry, I don’t know if dbadass is around, but let me take the initiative and invite you to stick around for a bit. I don’t have much in the pantry, but I can whip up some chicken quesadillas with mango salsa, quacamole and sour cream.
You sit tight. Won’t take me a minute. Can I offer you a Dos Equis while you wait?
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He isnt going to do that. He knows he is extremely ignorant and cannot possibly be a part of a discussion without his massive stupidity showing. He only drops by to annoy us because thats the kind of ignorant juvenile punk he is. Annoying people is the most he can hope for. Personally I just find him pathetic and sad.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:29 amA good poll, but a very incomplete poll.
The election of President Obama boosts EVERYONE’s view of America.
(Except for one small group of miserable wretches, of course.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aypMFARJW84
November 11th, 2008 at 5:39 amGregor Samsa Says:
Wha? There is a reason why African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, are lumped into one category: Minorities.
You’re peeing in the wind again, and your latent homophobia is peeking through.
Brooklyn and Los Angeles for instance? who are the majorities there.
November 11th, 2008 at 7:30 amAfter Prop 8, though, I still have a prety dim view of America, equality-wise.
November 11th, 2008 at 7:42 amAnd Prop 8 passed because of hate, make no mistakes there.
The Privacy Center blows. Hit the road ClusterTim etal
November 11th, 2008 at 7:56 am“Gregor Samsa Says: They don’t see this as a matter of “solidarity between oppressed groups”. You might as well talk to them in Greek”
I speak Greek and I don’t know if I could use it to apply any semblance of logic to any of Brainiac’s (or JK’s or CB’s) posts here. Prop 8 had a lot of funding provided by the MORMON morons (they have issues with marriage being between a man and his multiple teenage wives, you know) which is why the scales tilted on that proposal so it did not pass. On all the news channels that are not Fox.
Brainiac, you use no facts, provide no links, and your “logic” defies logic.
Faces on Mars are proof intelligent life still lives there? Really? You want to go with that, CB?
Are you guys still in grade school? Critical thinking does not seem to be a strong point in your rhetoric.
November 11th, 2008 at 8:06 amOOOps–”which is why the scales tilted on that proposal so it did not pass” Should have been “WHY IT DID PASS..” Forgot that “Yes” was a “NO” on that proposal. Must have had a bit of mental meltdown from trying to make sense of troll droppings again.
November 11th, 2008 at 8:23 amAgain, it was not necessarily homophobia. It was a lack of a good effort on the part of gay rights activists to make their case to a public who is largely against using the word “marriage” to describe same-sex domestic partnerships.
Um, no.
It was pro-8 lies, like mandatory teaching of gay marriage in schools. An outright lie the pro-8’s were pushing, that many corpro-centric media refused to cover.
To say it was because of the ineptness of the anti-8 forces, overlooks a huge reason: the “Christians” lied, repeatedly, and weren’t called on it by most of the media.
November 11th, 2008 at 8:43 amSo, I’m guessing there are a lot of Thinkfast junkies, furiously hitting the refresh button like a heroin addict scrapes his empty spoon for residue, right about now.
If nothing’s posted, let’s start with this, from McClatchy:
By Hussein Kadhim and Leila Fadel
BAGHDAD — Three or more explosions Monday ripped through a busy shopping district in northern Baghdad’s Adhamiyah neighborhood, at killing at least 28 people and wounding at least 68.
North of Baghdad in Baqouba, a 13-year-old girl walked to a checkpoint of Sunni Muslim paramilitary members and detonated explosives. She killed herself and at least five others, including a leading member of the U.S.-backed paramilitary. At least 15 people were wounded.
The bombings indicated an increasing trend of violence across the country.
The U.S. military put the death toll for the Baghdad bombings at four, but witnesses said they saw dozens of dead bodies and a bus full of people on fire.
It was unclear whether three or four explosions ripped through the Adhamiyah shopping district, where professionals, laborers and students were eating breakfast before heading to work. Witnesses said they saw two car bombs followed by two roadside bombs, while police blamed a suicide bomber and two roadside bombs for the fatalities.
The blasts, which lasted 15 minutes, were timed to coincide with the breakfast rush at Abu Wael’s restaurant. Policemen, laborers, merchants and students were eating eggs, meat and potato patties and drinking tea to start their day. Many didn’t make it out of the restaurant.
A bus and its passengers burned in the street, which filled with flames and smoke. Witnesses said that only two passengers survived.
Another day in Bushland.
November 11th, 2008 at 9:20 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
you’re just a troll that goes from site to site and makes a complete and utter fool of yourself. Thanks for proving that, you vile racist scumbag.
No, I just like to see the extremes of the left and right, and to verify that idiocy has no political preference, as proven by people like yourself.
Obama voters did so for practical and racial reasons, and third party voters did it for moral and conscience reasons. McCain voters did it for race and fear.
Obama is neither a socialist s nor a Progressive. He, like McCain is a corporatist. Only time will tell whether he is more loyal to Wall Street or Main Street.
November 11th, 2008 at 9:29 amAs an African American Woman I’ve always loved America. I’d never want to live anywhere else in the world. But my reality is that I still get judged by people because of my skin color. This election has shown me how much America has changed and has moved forward, however, we still have a long way to go.
The election of Barack Obama didn’t change my viewpoint of America. Rascism, classism, sexism and homophobia continues to exist. President elect Obama has not begun his presidency and people are already spewing negative comments and trying to knock him down. You judgemental hypocrites need to get a life!
November 11th, 2008 at 9:36 amLawmakers join call to overturn Prop. 8
SAN FRANCISCO – More than one-third of California’s lawmakers are adding their voices to the chorus calling on the state’s highest court to overturn the prohibition on same-sex marriage approved by voters last week.
Forty-four members of the California Legislature filed a friend-of-the-court brief Monday in support of a lawsuit seeking to invalidate Proposition 8 on the grounds that voters did not have the authority to make such a dramatic change in state law.
The brief argues that the gay marriage ban improperly usurped the state Supreme Court’s duty to protect minority groups from discrimination. Proposition 8 overturned the court’s May decision that legalized same-sex marriage.
Senate President Pro Tempore Don Perata and Assembly Speaker Karen Bass are among the signers.
November 11th, 2008 at 9:36 amavchavis Says:
As an African American Woman I’ve always loved America. I’d never want to live anywhere else in the world. But my reality is that I still get judged by people because of my skin color. This election has shown me how much America has changed and has moved forward, however, we still have a long way to go.
And do you support gays’ right to marriage?
November 11th, 2008 at 9:38 ambarfly Says
November 11th, 2008 at 9:38 am
And do you support gays’ right to marriage?
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Since avchavis condemned homophobia in her post, my guess is that she has no more against the rights of gays to marry than the rights of straights to do so.
November 11th, 2008 at 9:44 amAnd so it begins…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20081110/congressman-obama-marxist/
Georgia Congressman Warns of Obama Dictatorship
BEN EVANS | November 10, 2008 07:46 PM EST |
WASHINGTON — A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist dictatorship.
“It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he’s the one who proposed this national security force,” Rep. Paul Broun said of Obama in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. “I’m just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may _ may not, I hope not _ but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism.”
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Sheesh… the man isn’t even in office yet, and the wingnuttery are already attempting to rachet up the hysteria. Funny, you’d think they would have been as equally upset when Botch joked about being a dictator, or expanded warrantless wiretapping in this country, or went down the torture road, or expanded the power of the Presidency to new, uncharted heights, or politicized the DoJ… but no. OBAMA is the one we’re all supposed to be terrified of.
Rep Broum… you have a call on line one from Dr Godwin…
November 11th, 2008 at 9:54 amNo kidding, TRoS. Those idiots felt “safe” under the Chimp, but they’re terrified of scary bedtime stories about Obama.
November 11th, 2008 at 10:00 amZooey Says:
No kidding, TRoS. Those idiots felt “safe” under the Chimp, but they’re terrified of scary bedtime stories about Obama.
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Well, I have to say, I was afraid we wouldn’t have the Right Wing to kick around anymore, but that’s clearly not going to be the case.
No doubt we will soon be witnesses to the nauseating spectacle of GOOPers linking arms and marching down Pennsylvania Ave singing “We Shall OVercome”.
On the other hand, we may be entering a whole new phase of Whack-A-Troll™ here – the Martyr Years…
November 11th, 2008 at 10:07 amWASHINGTON — A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist dictatorship.
“It may sound a bit crazy and off base,
Let’s see, top income tax rate of 33% = free market capitalism and democracy.
Top income tax rate of 39% = Marxist dictatorship.
Yeah, that may be a bit crazy and off base.
November 11th, 2008 at 10:10 amThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
On the other hand, we may be entering a whole new phase of Whack-A-Troll™ here – the Martyr Years…
November 11th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Heh. I think we’re up for it. ;)
November 11th, 2008 at 10:14 amZooey Says:
Heh. I think we’re up for it. ;)
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And to think I almost auctioned off all my gear on eBay…
November 11th, 2008 at 10:16 amDr. Hussein Matt Says: you vile racist scumbag.
All right, I will take care of you first. I voted for Cynthia McKinney, Donald Payne, and Daryl Brooks in New Jersey. Now, Dr. Matt Proctologist, look them up in a search engine, and see their race. My wife voted the same except for Nader.
Bushites used to say, “You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists”/
Obamatrons say, “You are either with us, or you are a racist”.
November 11th, 2008 at 10:20 amBrain From Planet Arous Says:
Obamatrons say, “You are either with us, or you are a racist”.
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Why don’t you two take this outside to the playground during recess? It’s getting old. I voted for Obama, w/ reservations. I simply found the prospect of a McCain/Palin presidency just too frightening. Does that make me an Obamatron?
November 11th, 2008 at 10:26 amBarfly – I do support same sex/gay marriage. Two consenting adults should have the right to marry regardless of their sex.
You completely misunderstood what I wrote. Alot of people are homophobic in this country and I think it’s wrong.
Don’t twist my words – read carefully!
November 11th, 2008 at 11:20 amThe Republic of Stupidity Says: I voted for Obama, w/ reservations. I simply found the prospect of a McCain/Palin presidency just too frightening. Does that make me an Obamatron?
Yes.
Bob Barr took votes from McCain and Nader/McKinney took votes from Obama. Equal playing field.
Corporatists set up this election so even a kielbasa could run against McCain and win. McCain was simply nuts, and Palin a dunce.
What amazes me is how far will people go to compromise their values. Will you protest if Obama shows who his true Puppet Masters are? Wall Street, Surveillance, Perpetual War, Against Gay Marriage. Are these your “Progressive” values?
November 11th, 2008 at 11:28 amBrain From Planet Arous Says:
Are these your “Progressive” values?
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Awww… bugger off, ya self-righteous twit.
Imagine that… both annoying AND irrelevant at the same time.
Kudos!!! ***sound of many hands clapping…***
November 11th, 2008 at 11:37 amYes but I’m protesting your ranting hyperbole today because it has become to offensive to listen to anymore.
You rant about many things, solidarity for one, although you voted for a 3rd party in 2000 and this year. Grow up. Just because your username has the word brain in it doesn’t make it so.
From whence do you draw your incoherent arrogance?
November 11th, 2008 at 11:56 amCome on Stupid Re-pube-lick, answer the question.
Wall Street, Surveillance, Perpetual War, Against Gay Marriage. Are these your “Progressive” values?
November 11th, 2008 at 11:58 amFred Says:
From whence do you draw your incoherent arrogance?
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Most likely from his Cheney…
November 11th, 2008 at 12:25 pmBrain From Planet Arous Says:
You’re peeing in the wind again, and your latent homophobia is peeking through.
What in the world are you talking about? “Latent homophobia”? Wow… what, are you psychic now too?
Brooklyn and Los Angeles for instance? who are the majorities there.
1) *I* didn’t come up with the term “minorities” to describe any non-Caucasian, and 2) fact remains that, nationwide, non-Caucasians do not represent the majority of the population in the US, hence the term “minorities”. Los Angeles and Brooklyn are the exception to the rule. Duh.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pmbarfly Says:
To say it was because of the ineptness of the anti-8 forces, overlooks a huge reason: the “Christians” lied, repeatedly
I wouldn’t go as far as to call Prop 8 opponents “inept”. I do believe they miscalculated two things: The willingness of the Christian churches to lie and distort, and the support they could get from the public at large. Our friend Brain From Planet Whatever is a good example: He keeps prattling about “two oppressed groups” when -obviously- African-Americans don’t see it that way.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:42 pmStop getting all of your news from Coast to Coast with George Noory, Brainiac. While interesting and a site I myself go to, it is not ALL newsworthy, especially the stuff that comes from the Russian version of The Sun Times.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:45 pmGregor Samsa Says:
1) *I* didn’t come up with the term “minorities” to describe any non-Caucasian, and 2) fact remains that, nationwide, non-Caucasians do not represent the majority of the population in the US, hence the term “minorities”. Los Angeles and Brooklyn are the exception to the rule. Duh.
Well, look at the voter difference. Cities voted Obama. Rural voted McCain. People with Conscience voted third party. Whites are a minority in most large cities.
Now I hear that Obama’s dreams of going after the dead guy, Osama Bin Goldstein, may be thwarted because of financial concerns. Probably a good thing since nobody ever wins in Afghanistan from The Mongols to the British to The Russians.
Oh well, he can always lie again about Russia and Georgia again and take on the Bear. Rahmie would love that.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:14 pmI have a conscience and I voted for Obama. Just pissing into the wind does not a consience make.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:24 pmIf third parties are all the chatter, maybe we can discuss why libertarians are so usually full of shit again. That’s always fun
November 11th, 2008 at 1:50 pmBrain From Planet Arous Says:
Oh well, he can always lie again about Russia and Georgia again and take on the Bear. Rahmie would love that.
Now I really have no idea what you are talking about.
I made my point about those supposedly homophobic African-Americans in California, and have no interest in trying to decipher your rants any further.
Have a good day.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:57 pmBrain From Planet Arous Says
November 11th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Well, look at the voter difference. Cities voted Obama. Rural voted McCain. People with Conscience voted third party. Whites are a minority in most large cities.
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Most of your post is rather fanciful stuff churned out by someone who’s been spending too much time reading the wingnut sites, and I won’t spend time rebutting most of it.
But I found your assertion of “whites are a minority in most large cities” to be worthy of some research.
I looked up the 20 largest cities in the United States (this would be “cities” — as in everything within a city limits — not metro statistical areas, which include suburbs). And then I looked up the racial makeup of each of the 20.
Here’s what I found. In 8 of the 20 cities, white non-Hispanic people made up a clear majority (the highest being Phoenix, with 71.1%). In 9 of the 20 cities, white non-Hispanics made up the largest minority (between 42% and 49.9% in all cases) with NO group being a majority. In only three of the cities (Detroit, Memphis, and Baltimore), were white non-Hispanics a minority with another group being a majority (in all three cities, that majority was African-American).
So you were technically correct when you said that “whites are a minority” in most large cities, since that’s the case in 12 out of the 20 largest. But your statement is a bit misleading when you consider that in 17 out of 20 of these cities, whites do make up the largest racial group.
As to your somewhat pompous statement about people with a conscience voting third party, I would just like to say that my conscience is working just fine thankyouverymuch, and I proudly voted for Obama.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:44 pmNow, I know you are intoxicated, much the same way many of you were supporting GW Bush at 91% after 9/11. However, the team Obama is putting together is an Imperialist kleptocracy, run by the same people who embezzled $850 billion from YOUR pockets, allowed illegal wiretapping, want Oil drilling, and Preemptive Perpetual war….for starters.
You are waiting for Universal Health care, end to war, and jobs. well, first things first, and that is Obama pleasing his corporate, Zionist, and military masters. There should be ZERO left for We The People after these priorities.
yeah, yeah, I know, you’re all “progressives” and “Liberals”, and “Feel” good about “The Black Face in a High Place”, but he appears to be about to be used by the same crew that Bush had in and advising him. How disingenuous to African-Americans and that you would play right along with this.
You all loved it when I came here and posted links abd facts bashing Bush and McCain, and even taking on Republican posters. But when the reality comes out, and facts are put in your face, you refuse to accept them, and from some who just curse, to some that post lame “facts”, you have done ZERO to prove people like myself and a handful of other independent thinkers incorrect. I have no further use for this site, and I don’t want to spoil your party, but if I’m wrong, and Obama goes against his corporate masters, and helps out common folk, then I will come back and apologize. But if I’m correct, will the people here admit they were wrong?
I am expecting Obama in a few months to remove a mask and underneath will be Ronald Reagen.
Meet the new boss
November 11th, 2008 at 7:22 pmSame as the old boss – The Who – Won’t Get Fooled Again