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	<title>Comments on: Tony Perkins Claims Gay Marriage Ban Is &#8216;Totally Different&#8217; Than Interracial Marriage Ban</title>
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		<title>By: FundamentallyFlawed</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/13/savage-perkins-prop8/comment-page-4/#comment-5342998</link>
		<dc:creator>FundamentallyFlawed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what demographic voted overwhelmingly in favor of Prop 8? Stupid people.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://fundamentallyflawed.wordpress.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Meet a few of them here.
&lt;/a&gt;
Oh, and shut up, Tony Perkins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what demographic voted overwhelmingly in favor of Prop 8? Stupid people.</p>
<p><a href="http://fundamentallyflawed.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">Meet a few of them here.<br />
</a><br />
Oh, and shut up, Tony Perkins.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5342998', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: opus</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/13/savage-perkins-prop8/comment-page-4/#comment-5342770</link>
		<dc:creator>opus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These people are obsessed with sex. I believe when it comes to gay relationships, they think it&#039;s only about sex for the couple, and just cannot fathom the reality of two people of the same sex deeply loving and caring for each other. They just don&#039;t think of it as love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These people are obsessed with sex. I believe when it comes to gay relationships, they think it&#8217;s only about sex for the couple, and just cannot fathom the reality of two people of the same sex deeply loving and caring for each other. They just don&#8217;t think of it as love.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5342770', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sven Ortmann</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/13/savage-perkins-prop8/comment-page-4/#comment-5342622</link>
		<dc:creator>Sven Ortmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw - you want legal homosexual marriages?
OK, but then there&#039;s absolutely no reason to prohibit polygamy any more.

Polygamy is actually higher on the list of questionably prohibited marriage forms than homosexual marriages in my opinion.
Remember; polygamy was tolerated even in the bible.

http://www.biblicalpolygamy.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw &#8211; you want legal homosexual marriages?<br />
OK, but then there&#8217;s absolutely no reason to prohibit polygamy any more.</p>
<p>Polygamy is actually higher on the list of questionably prohibited marriage forms than homosexual marriages in my opinion.<br />
Remember; polygamy was tolerated even in the bible.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.biblicalpolygamy.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.biblicalpolygamy.com/</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5342622', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sven Ortmann</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/13/savage-perkins-prop8/comment-page-4/#comment-5342608</link>
		<dc:creator>Sven Ortmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Interracial marriage and homo marriage bans ARE different things.&lt;/strong&gt; There&#039;s no justification for calling both equal, thereby insulting the contra homosexual marriage folks as racist-like.

I am quite neutral on the issue whether homos should be able to marry or not - my focus is on important issues instead.
I would choose a different form of legal partnership than marriage for homosexuals if I had to make a quick choice.

I have little to no respect for both ends of the spectrum; neither for those who are fiercely pro nor for those who are fiercely contra homosexual marriage.

I can see that homo and interracial marriages are completely different things, though.
Interracial marriage is completely included in the old and traditional understanding of marriage - it took racist segregation/Apartheid policies to keep interracial marriages off-limits.
Homosexual marriage does not fit to the old definition of marriage and I see no strong argument other than a minority&#039;s &quot;we want it&quot; to allow it.

The government/legislative needs to set rules for a smooth and successful living in the society. I don&#039;t see why homosexual marriages should be necessary when there&#039;s the alternative of non-marriage legal partnerships.

See; there are some who want it and some who don&#039;t. There&#039;s no other really factual reason to call that legal partnership &quot;marriage&quot;, so why should it be added into law?
At the same time, why the effort to ban homo marriage in states where it was already legal?

There&#039;s simply no good reason for investing so much attention and time into this issue.

So let&#039;s go on and make the society and its economy and state sustainable instead of wasting our energy on irrelevant issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Interracial marriage and homo marriage bans ARE different things.</strong> There&#8217;s no justification for calling both equal, thereby insulting the contra homosexual marriage folks as racist-like.</p>
<p>I am quite neutral on the issue whether homos should be able to marry or not &#8211; my focus is on important issues instead.<br />
I would choose a different form of legal partnership than marriage for homosexuals if I had to make a quick choice.</p>
<p>I have little to no respect for both ends of the spectrum; neither for those who are fiercely pro nor for those who are fiercely contra homosexual marriage.</p>
<p>I can see that homo and interracial marriages are completely different things, though.<br />
Interracial marriage is completely included in the old and traditional understanding of marriage &#8211; it took racist segregation/Apartheid policies to keep interracial marriages off-limits.<br />
Homosexual marriage does not fit to the old definition of marriage and I see no strong argument other than a minority&#8217;s &#8220;we want it&#8221; to allow it.</p>
<p>The government/legislative needs to set rules for a smooth and successful living in the society. I don&#8217;t see why homosexual marriages should be necessary when there&#8217;s the alternative of non-marriage legal partnerships.</p>
<p>See; there are some who want it and some who don&#8217;t. There&#8217;s no other really factual reason to call that legal partnership &#8220;marriage&#8221;, so why should it be added into law?<br />
At the same time, why the effort to ban homo marriage in states where it was already legal?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s simply no good reason for investing so much attention and time into this issue.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s go on and make the society and its economy and state sustainable instead of wasting our energy on irrelevant issues.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5342608', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Max-1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#154 johnfyounger,
If I call a rat a dirty filthy rat, does that make me one?
... Hardly. 

Alls I know is that you&#039;re defending a bigot&#039;s ability to open his/her mouth and show off their ignorance. Interesting, NO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#154 johnfyounger,<br />
If I call a rat a dirty filthy rat, does that make me one?<br />
&#8230; Hardly. </p>
<p>Alls I know is that you&#8217;re defending a bigot&#8217;s ability to open his/her mouth and show off their ignorance. Interesting, NO?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5342324', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ralph the wonder llama</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/13/savage-perkins-prop8/comment-page-4/#comment-5341934</link>
		<dc:creator>ralph the wonder llama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, ElBruce.

Good luck getting bit or any of his cronies to recognize the validity you what you say, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, ElBruce.</p>
<p>Good luck getting bit or any of his cronies to recognize the validity you what you say, however.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341934', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ElBruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElBruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#80:

The goal of marriage is procreation?

Actually, the goal of any marriage is defined by its participants.  I and my wife could, but do not intend to, procreate.  We legally married for different purposes entirely.  That&#039;s my right.

It doesn&#039;t matter if homosexuals can&#039;t procreate, as it doesn&#039;t matter that many heterosexual couples can&#039;t procreate.  The test shouldn&#039;t be &quot;do you belong to a category of couples that in many cases can produce healthy viable offspring, whether or not you specifically can?  If not, you can&#039;t get married.&quot;  That&#039;s completely irrational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#80:</p>
<p>The goal of marriage is procreation?</p>
<p>Actually, the goal of any marriage is defined by its participants.  I and my wife could, but do not intend to, procreate.  We legally married for different purposes entirely.  That&#8217;s my right.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if homosexuals can&#8217;t procreate, as it doesn&#8217;t matter that many heterosexual couples can&#8217;t procreate.  The test shouldn&#8217;t be &#8220;do you belong to a category of couples that in many cases can produce healthy viable offspring, whether or not you specifically can?  If not, you can&#8217;t get married.&#8221;  That&#8217;s completely irrational.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341854', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dbadass</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbadass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the slope is so slippery that one day Narcissus will end up being married to Narcissus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the slope is so slippery that one day Narcissus will end up being married to Narcissus.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341816', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: livelongandprosper</title>
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		<dc:creator>livelongandprosper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to marry the NFL and then dump them for playing on Sunday and collect a whopping alimony payment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to marry the NFL and then dump them for playing on Sunday and collect a whopping alimony payment!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341802', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DavidHart</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidHart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But what if the views are truly ignorant, moronic, and or bigoted? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The OP is correct. I understand the frustration. I am not excusing it but people are calling us second class citizens. Of course, I have to read this crap every day to edit our news engine but it really constitutes a barrage of religious-based hatred.

I live in NYC and I&#039;m on life&#039;s back nine. None of this stuff really affects me directly. What &lt;strong&gt;really&lt;/strong&gt; upsets me, though, is the message that society is sending to gay kids. They have enough self-esteem issues and they are bullied terribly. BTW, the religious right vigorously opposes all anti-bullying measures. What Perkins, Wildmon and Dobson are doing to those kids is disgraceful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But what if the views are truly ignorant, moronic, and or bigoted? </p></blockquote>
<p>The OP is correct. I understand the frustration. I am not excusing it but people are calling us second class citizens. Of course, I have to read this crap every day to edit our news engine but it really constitutes a barrage of religious-based hatred.</p>
<p>I live in NYC and I&#8217;m on life&#8217;s back nine. None of this stuff really affects me directly. What <strong>really</strong> upsets me, though, is the message that society is sending to gay kids. They have enough self-esteem issues and they are bullied terribly. BTW, the religious right vigorously opposes all anti-bullying measures. What Perkins, Wildmon and Dobson are doing to those kids is disgraceful.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341800', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>johnfyounger Says: 

Eugene Debs-

Calling people ignorant bigoted morons for expressing their views … priceless. echo … echo …echo …
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Actually I called him a bigoted ignorant moron for ENDLESSLY repeating bigoted, ignorant, moronic opinions. Which is of course my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnfyounger Says: </p>
<p>Eugene Debs-</p>
<p>Calling people ignorant bigoted morons for expressing their views … priceless. echo … echo …echo …<br />
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<p>Actually I called him a bigoted ignorant moron for ENDLESSLY repeating bigoted, ignorant, moronic opinions. Which is of course my opinion.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341798', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregor Samsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor Samsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>johnfyounger Says:
&lt;i&gt;Calling people ignorant bigoted morons for expressing their views … &lt;/i&gt;

But what if the views are truly ignorant, moronic, and or bigoted? 

What words do you suggest should be used to describe these views?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnfyounger Says:<br />
<i>Calling people ignorant bigoted morons for expressing their views … </i></p>
<p>But what if the views are truly ignorant, moronic, and or bigoted? </p>
<p>What words do you suggest should be used to describe these views?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341768', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregor Samsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor Samsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DavidHart Says:
&lt;i&gt;This is how we end up with people arguing that the universe is 6,000 years old rather than 4.5 billion years and that sexual orientation is a choice.&lt;/i&gt;

Even as the evidence mounts that bisexual and homosexual behavior is fairly &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;common in nature&lt;/a&gt;.

I wonder at what point penguins, chimps, flamingos, etc. choose to become gay, and what prompts the choice. /sarc off</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DavidHart Says:<br />
<i>This is how we end up with people arguing that the universe is 6,000 years old rather than 4.5 billion years and that sexual orientation is a choice.</i></p>
<p>Even as the evidence mounts that bisexual and homosexual behavior is fairly <a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html" rel="nofollow">common in nature</a>.</p>
<p>I wonder at what point penguins, chimps, flamingos, etc. choose to become gay, and what prompts the choice. /sarc off<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341764', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what else are you supposed to say when morons express their ignorant bigoted views?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what else are you supposed to say when morons express their ignorant bigoted views?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341762', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dbadass</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbadass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically I think Eugene Debs asked...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically I think Eugene Debs asked&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341744', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: johnfyounger</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnfyounger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eugene Debs-

Calling people ignorant bigoted morons for expressing their views ... priceless. echo ... echo ...echo ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugene Debs-</p>
<p>Calling people ignorant bigoted morons for expressing their views &#8230; priceless. echo &#8230; echo &#8230;echo &#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341740', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bitblt Says: 

To bit when it was said the banning same-same gender marriage, so-called, was like miscegenation, we made an reductio ad absurdum conclusion.

If a society says marriage is whatever a court says it is, then expect to see a great deal of absurdity.
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As soon as I see your nick I expect absurdity and hatefilled bigotry all in a wash of ignorance. The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy by definition. By this really stupid logic since Congress says you cant ingest drugs they will eventually say you cant ingest food. You are an ignorant bigoted moron bit it really is that simple</description>
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<p>To bit when it was said the banning same-same gender marriage, so-called, was like miscegenation, we made an reductio ad absurdum conclusion.</p>
<p>If a society says marriage is whatever a court says it is, then expect to see a great deal of absurdity.<br />
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<p>As soon as I see your nick I expect absurdity and hatefilled bigotry all in a wash of ignorance. The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy by definition. By this really stupid logic since Congress says you cant ingest drugs they will eventually say you cant ingest food. You are an ignorant bigoted moron bit it really is that simple<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341734', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DavidHart</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidHart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bit: I have seen that &quot;research&quot; asserted by Cameron. He has been thoroughly discredited. Even Exodus, Int has removed all references with a disclaimer to that effect.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Since it is the case that some homosexuals are un-made, then it would seems safe to assume that some are made.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nonsense. Even Spitzer has now said that the potential for harm is far greater than the possibility of actually changing sexual orientation. The &lt;strong&gt;published&lt;/strong&gt; and &lt;strong&gt;peer reviewed&lt;/strong&gt; research is pretty conclusive that sexual orientation is involuntary and not mutable - any more than &quot;eye color.&quot; 

The scientific method dictates that the observations lead to the conclusions. The religious right starts with a conclusion based on scripture and then seeks - by selective observation - proforma &quot;proof&quot; of the conclusion. 

This is how we end up with people arguing that the universe is 6,000 years old rather than 4.5 billion years and that sexual orientation is a choice.

By the way and speaking of junk science - here&#039;s some of my own. Looking at this thread, Hart&#039;s corollary applies:
http://www.tips-q.com/content/harts-corollary-godwins-law</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bit: I have seen that &#8220;research&#8221; asserted by Cameron. He has been thoroughly discredited. Even Exodus, Int has removed all references with a disclaimer to that effect.</p>
<blockquote><p>Since it is the case that some homosexuals are un-made, then it would seems safe to assume that some are made.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nonsense. Even Spitzer has now said that the potential for harm is far greater than the possibility of actually changing sexual orientation. The <strong>published</strong> and <strong>peer reviewed</strong> research is pretty conclusive that sexual orientation is involuntary and not mutable &#8211; any more than &#8220;eye color.&#8221; </p>
<p>The scientific method dictates that the observations lead to the conclusions. The religious right starts with a conclusion based on scripture and then seeks &#8211; by selective observation &#8211; proforma &#8220;proof&#8221; of the conclusion. </p>
<p>This is how we end up with people arguing that the universe is 6,000 years old rather than 4.5 billion years and that sexual orientation is a choice.</p>
<p>By the way and speaking of junk science &#8211; here&#8217;s some of my own. Looking at this thread, Hart&#8217;s corollary applies:<br />
<a href="http://www.tips-q.com/content/harts-corollary-godwins-law" rel="nofollow">http://www.tips-q.com/content/harts-corollary-godwins-law</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341726', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bitblt Says: 

I guess your ignorance was inevitable on this thread. You are a bigot and a disgusting one at that. Homesexuality is NOT connected to pedophilia. They do NOT molest children at a higher rate than heterosexuals do. The huge majority of molestation is done by heterosexuals. YOU are a moron. That kind of bigoted ignorant cartoon only appeals to the ignorant and the bigoted like YOU. Bit you are just disgusting. Your hatefilled ignorance does no one any good. Take your stupidity and your bigotry and shove them up your A$$</description>
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<p>I guess your ignorance was inevitable on this thread. You are a bigot and a disgusting one at that. Homesexuality is NOT connected to pedophilia. They do NOT molest children at a higher rate than heterosexuals do. The huge majority of molestation is done by heterosexuals. YOU are a moron. That kind of bigoted ignorant cartoon only appeals to the ignorant and the bigoted like YOU. Bit you are just disgusting. Your hatefilled ignorance does no one any good. Take your stupidity and your bigotry and shove them up your A$$<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341706', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dbadass</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed ralph, this has even more potential than my old why does the right suck so badly at media, entertainment, education, labor, and all the rest of the shit they are always whining is left leaning. They never like that invisible hand thing then...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed ralph, this has even more potential than my old why does the right suck so badly at media, entertainment, education, labor, and all the rest of the shit they are always whining is left leaning. They never like that invisible hand thing then&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5341700', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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