Senate Dem leadership expected to allow Lieberman to keep Homeland Security chairmanship.
Senate Dem leadership expected to allow Lieberman to keep Homeland Security chairmanship.
Roll Call reports that when Senate Democrats meet tomorrow to discuss Sen. Joe Lieberman’s (I-CT) future, the Democratic leadership is “expected to propose that he keep his gavel at the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee but lose his Environment and Public Works subcommittee chairmanship.” The paper describes the proposal as only a “slap on the wrist” for Lieberman since Lieberman “may not lose much” if his subcommittee chairmanship is stripped:
Taking the subcommittee on global warming away from Lieberman may be seen as a stinging rebuke, given that he used the panel to push himself to the forefront of the climate change debate in the Senate earlier this year. However, Environment and Public Works Chairman Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) plans to deal with climate change legislation at the full committee level next year, which means Lieberman may not lose much even if his colleagues vote to strip him of that plum assignment.
Kos calls the plan “not acceptable,” quipping that “given the Senate Democrats’ history of capitulations, expect Lieberman to come out of that meeting as majority leader.” CNN’s Dana Bash reports that Lieberman “is not happy about” the plan, but will accept it. Watch it:
Check out ThinkProgress’s report, “Joe Lieberman: The Progressive Who Lost His Way.”
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If they do, I will not give another dime to the DSCC! Let them fund their own campaigns!
What a bunch of wimps.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:42 pmdems and repubs are on the same team...their opponents? the american ppl...
November 17th, 2008 at 5:42 pmSpineless....
....Joe smoe should be let go.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:43 pmPower corrupts and a Senate filibuster-proof majority corrupts absolutely.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:45 pmHarry, it's long past time you grew yourself a pair of balls, just like Hillary did. Maybe you should ask her if you could borrow hers.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:46 pmI contacted Sen. Bill Nelson, (my senator in Florida), who is one of the four "whips" in the Senate working on convincing the others to let Lieberman retain his chairmanship. Told him to vote against it, exactly why, and if Lieberman is allowed to do so, will assume he also voted in favor. And when Nelson runs again in four years, I won't be voting for him.
I didn't give any money this year at all to the DNC or the DSCC, and sent all their mailed pleas back to them with one comment: No money unless and until impeachment hearings against Bush and Cheney take place.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:46 pmYou have to wonder what it takes for this bunch to hit back. They'll take a load of crap from anyone and won't stand up for themselves.
Kind of makes you wonder if they'll stand up for anyone else. And, I think we know the answer -- no.
As Glenn Greenwald notes today they delight in sticking us, their base, in the eye. They think it makes them look better.
One more reason to withdraw support from the formal Democratic Party and only support progressive Democratic candidates. The organized party is at war with it's own base and our principles. They embrace Bush's war, torture, wireless wiretapping, etc. They poke us in the eye.
Enough!
November 17th, 2008 at 5:46 pmThese are the people who try to make the argument every four years that a Democrat can negotiate from a position of strength with hostile foreign governments. If they can't remove Lieberman from a committe leadership position on which he disagrees with their party and when it's completely in their power to remove him, then they can't do anything.
If they ever want to get rid of the reputation of the Democratic party for being a bunch of milquetoast wimps, they need to take care of business at home.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:49 pmQue the anti-Israel rants from Kay/freeman.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:50 pmI am sort of interested in seeing those pictures Lieberman keeps in that safe
November 17th, 2008 at 5:51 pmSay it ain't so. Joe! Aaargh.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:53 pmWhat an absolute bunch of chickenshits. We win a majority and still have no spine.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:57 pmWhy don't they just create a Committee on Israeli Affairs and let Lieberman chair that one? That's where his true loyalties are, and everybody knows it.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:58 pmRidiculous. Obama's not going to be able to change a goddamned thing with this "old boy's club" of cowards.
I prefer cowards to thugs who get every looting done under their watch, but this is absolutely infuriating.
Well, besides that these toadies are in effect letting Bush and the like get away with everything due to complicity.
November 17th, 2008 at 5:59 pmThe 2 party system is a sham ! Progressives should see themselves as outside the Democratic party as a whole and vote for the candidate on his or her merits alone !
November 17th, 2008 at 6:01 pmObama's vote on FISA was a betrayal to the progressive community !His appointing of Rahm Emmanuel as chief of staff , very troublesome ! Democratic support of Joe Lieberman begins to erode any trust I have left and the election was only 10 days ago !
... gawd...
all i can think of... shaking head...
November 17th, 2008 at 6:03 pmStrip him of the HSC chairmanship. He sucked at it. And his "vision" for how to defend the U.S. is pathetically wrong-headed (not to mention at odds with the majority of the U.S.....)
Cheers,
November 17th, 2008 at 6:04 pmDr. Hussein Matt's magic eightball works better than mine...
November 17th, 2008 at 6:05 pmYes matt and I'm un American too because I don't support jingoistic militarism here either.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:09 pmYou all remember the magic 8 ball , it had all of 5 responses to any question you asked it .
November 17th, 2008 at 6:11 pmPerhaps progressives may be able to get a job in this white house after all , they can help the Arabs mopping the floors !
November 17th, 2008 at 6:19 pmCan everyone get a grip? I can't stand Lieberman. I think he's a snake, but this is about public policy, not political revenge. If keeping Lieberman sort of happy helps Dems enact public works programs to put people back to work and legislation for universal healthcare, isn't it worth it? Please remember that the Senate isn't as clear-cut as you think. There are moderate Repubs who may support Obama legislation and conservative Dems who may not. Politics is the way we decide public policy and this is politics.
And, as far as President-elect Obama is concerned, nobody should be surprised if he takes a conciliatory tone because that's what he promised. Do we think he was lying? He stated clearly when asked how he was preparing that he was reading Goodwin's "Team of Rivals" about Abraham Lincoln.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:20 pmI could not possibly have encapsulated this bizarre and indefensible situation better than Markos Moulitsas Zuniga did. So, I won't even try.
Senator Reid is the only individual I know who could have the prevailing winds at his back, clear sailing ahead and still manage to run the ship aground.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:27 pmAs opposed to a single response...
November 17th, 2008 at 6:28 pmUm. I can't summon much outrage. I don't like Joe, most of his rtands on the invasion of Iraq, or how he played the election but I fail to see how making him an overt enemy would help the Dems. He endorsed a loser for President and said some mean things. Big deal. I don't think it's anything the Democratic Caucus can really punish him for.
If, however, he uses his position to block or thwart the policies of the new President and Congress? Then they should cast him out.
Plus, as things stand, he's one of the most influential non-neocons in the whole military sphere of influence and, since the defeat of his BFF Flippy McSpin, he knows who's rumps need to be kissed. I think it's better to deal with him then rather than make an example at this time. Besides which I'm tired of people being judged by dogmatic acceptability instead of professional qualifications.
If someone want's to sack Joe for his record? It will have to be the voters unless he does something overt after the new management takes over.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:29 pmAnd if Obama fails to roll back domestic surveillance or put an end to signing statements or reinstate posse comitatus ? The constitution's restoration domestically is prime , and allowing domestic spying to go unpunished is to trample on the rights of all Americans without the luxury of a fig leaf to hide behind !
November 17th, 2008 at 6:31 pmThe democrats are going to have to prove themselves worthy of progressive support or they can count on a serious rebellion from their most ardent supporters !They are not off to a very good start .
I think he’s a snake, but this is about public policy, not political revenge.
Gee, thanks for ascribing the worst motives to us.
1) Lieberman was terrible at Chairing that committee. He gave bush a blank check.
2) Lieberman is not a reliable vote for the Dem agenda. Hasn't been for a long time.
3) You know if a liberal Democrat had done the same thing, they'd be cut off at the knees. But because Lieberman went to the right wing, all Zell Miller, that's fine and dandy.
Democrats scorn their base. This is just the latest example.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:32 pmIf, however, he uses his position to block or thwart the policies of the new President and Congress? Then they should cast him out.
That will never happen. It's harder to strip someone of a chairmanship and we'll be told (just as with censure and impeachment) "we don't have time for petty politics."
Plus, I'm pretty sure the GOP could filibuster any move to strip him of his Chair.
Really, the option is not realistic.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:34 pmThis is why I call them DemoRats!!!!!
November 17th, 2008 at 6:36 pmWhy? why why why? What do the Democrats GAIN by this? Anything at all?
November 17th, 2008 at 6:37 pmOh crap! "Rtands"= stands.
And, on the separate subject of Rahm Emmanuel, I once heard a commentator say that the perfect Chief of Staff is..."The meanest, most sadistic, b@stard you can control".
One could interpret his selection to mean that Obama has no worries about controlling the kind of knife fighters he'll need to get things done and recognizes the need for same.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:39 pmpete Says:
If someone want’s to sack Joe for his record? It will have to be the voters unless he does something overt after the new management takes over.
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No it doesnt HAVE to be that way though it most likely WILL be that way. I think Dems need to show some spine here. IF Joe had just supported McCain I would agree. His attempt to weaken and destroy the Dem candidate with his over the top attacks are another matter entirely. I think the message should be actions have consequences. That if you choose sides and attack us we are coming after YOU. If you want to get along that can happen but if you are trying to hurt us we WILL go to war. I have had enough of the passive nonagressive Dems TAKING the abuse and saying lets sing Kumbaya and let bygones be bygones. Its time for Dems to STOP taking knives to the gunfight politics has become. Why shouldnt Joe do the same thing the next time?
November 17th, 2008 at 6:39 pmThe most exclusive 100 person club in the USA. What is it they say about a dead girl or a live boy?
November 17th, 2008 at 6:40 pmAlphaLiberal,
"Plus, I’m pretty sure the GOP could filibuster any move to strip him of his Chair."
Wrong.
Chairmanships are not voted by the full body of the Senate. The party in power PICKS their chairpeople. In this case the GOP means nada, nothing, can't do shit, etc.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:41 pmPete you may be correct on Emmanuel , a man who said he would support the war in Iraq even knowing what we now know, advocates attacking Iran and railed against Amnesty International for critizing Israel's 28 straight days of bombing Lebanon's civilian infrastructure .
But FISA is a blot on Obama , he lied and it contributed to his nomination as the democratic candidate for president .
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11349.html
November 17th, 2008 at 6:46 pmI agree entirely. There are Dems in the Senate who vote with the republicans more often than Lieberman but those senators would never go out and trash the position of other Dems or trash the party.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:48 pmProgressives will be less kind with the democratic party in the mid term elections then the democrats are being with Mr. Lieberman , unless they follow thruogh on their promises better than Obama did with FISA!
November 17th, 2008 at 6:50 pmOne could interpret his selection to mean that Obama has no worries about controlling the kind of knife fighters he’ll need to get things done and recognizes the need for same.
Or that Obama will be pursuing a Clintonesque, Sistah Soulah, triangulating strategy.
We'll see, but I'm not getting my hopes up. And, I busted my hump on his election....
November 17th, 2008 at 6:51 pmChairmanships are not voted by the full body of the Senate. The party in power PICKS their chairpeople. In this case the GOP means nada, nothing, can’t do shit, etc.
Yes, the party in power PICKS their Chair. But, once the Chair is picked how can they be removed? I think it's more difficult to remove than to appoint.
And I'm just talking procedurally, let alone with the wails of protest from the Villagers and the right wing.
I'm serious. Not another dime for the DSCC. Let them dry up and blow away. They don't respect us or our views.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:53 pmThe dems should allow him to stay in the cacus, as long as he behaves, but no chairmanships. If he shows that he can vote with the Dems on tough issues then after at least a year, he can ask for one committee chairmanship back. The first time Joe falls in line with the Repubs, I hope all of the Dem "leadership" resign and admit they failed their supporters -again.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:54 pmAlphaliberal, I didn't mean to accuse anyone here of only being interested in revenge. I agree with everything you posted except one thing.
I don't believe that there is a "Democratic Base" in the same way as in the Republican party. I think the Democratic party is much more diverse and un-disciplined in message and if you had to come up with a "base" it would lie more in the center-left than the far left. But, it's clear that if the left wants a given public policy, it's more likely to get it from Dems than Repubs. I expect Obama to close Guantanamo, stop all torture, review all of Bush's executive orders, press for universal healthcare, immediately begin drawing down troops in Iraq, fund science which has been ignored, etc. etc. In addition, Obama's making a lot of noise about WPA-style public works programs to put people back to work. This all sounds good to me.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:57 pmIn your opinion, what's the difference between center-left and far left?
November 17th, 2008 at 7:01 pmIf, however, he uses his position to block or thwart the policies of the new President and Congress? Then they should cast him out.
That will never happen. It’s harder to strip someone of a chairmanship and we’ll be told (just as with censure and impeachment) “we don’t have time for petty politics.”
Plus, I’m pretty sure the GOP could filibuster any move to strip him of his Chair.
The GOP would have no say about stripping Lieberman of the Chair of that Committee. Those decisions are made within the party, and not voted on by the full Senate. But I agree that a later stripping would be unlikely, just as impeachment was taken off the table by Pelosi after the 2006 elections because "there is so much work to accomplish." If they are going to do it, it should be NOW.
November 17th, 2008 at 7:04 pm49er ,
November 17th, 2008 at 7:09 pmdo you believe that as president Obama will roll back domestic surveillance of American or expand it ?
How about presidential signing statements or the reinstitution of Posse Comitatus now that the Army has been activated on American soil for the first time since the civil war ?
Obama's Michael Corleone already has his Al Neri/Luca Brasi in Rahm ; he doesn't need Fredo LIEberman ........
November 17th, 2008 at 7:11 pmWill the Patriot Act be the permanent law of the land ?
November 17th, 2008 at 7:12 pmNat: "In your opinion, what’s the difference between center-left and far left?"
It depends on what we're talking about. If it's economics, the far left believes in pure socialism. The center-left, whether it realizes it or not, believes in European-style limited Democratic socialism. If we're talking about war, the far left wants an immediate withdrawl and the center-left wants to start drawing down troops now in an orderly withdrawl.
Freeman, Obama is a constitutional scholar. He taught it at U. of Chicago for years. He has already pledged to review each and every Bush executive order for his view of constitutionality. I fully expect him to put an end to illegal domestic surveillance and this plan to deploy troops on American soil. I'll be surprised if he doesn't address these issues early in his term.
November 17th, 2008 at 7:19 pmPeople, Rahm Emanuel is NOT there to take away any of your civil rights. He's there to enforce party discipline when it comes to Obama's legislative proposals. Rahm Emanuel knows full well that both Carter and Clinton suffered from less than enthusiastic support among Dems in congress. He's a badass and a long-time loyal friend and I think it was smart of Obama to hire him. It's a good cop - bad cop thing.
November 17th, 2008 at 7:22 pmfreeman: "Will the Patriot Act be the permanent law of the land?"
Hey man, I know I'm continuing to sing a pretty happy tune here, but I think you'll see changes in that law as well. I think Obama is a serious man of high character and ideals. I think he takes the constitution very seriously.
November 17th, 2008 at 7:26 pmLet's also keep in mind that Lieberman is essentially through after this term as a Senator. He currently enjoys a 22% approval rating in his state. I don't think people will forget why they don't like him over the next four years. He's not going to get an executive branch job any time soon. His career ends in 2012 if it hasn't ended before.
November 17th, 2008 at 7:29 pm49erDem Says:
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Let’s also keep in mind that Lieberman is essentially through after this term as a Senator. He currently enjoys a 22% approval rating in his state. I don’t think people will forget why they don’t like him over the next four years. He’s not going to get an executive branch job any time soon. His career ends in 2012 if it hasn’t ended before.
November 17th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
If that truly is the case , what is the point of keeping the Israeli-1st'er around anyway ?
November 17th, 2008 at 7:33 pm49er , thanx I like happy songs and truly hope you are right .
November 17th, 2008 at 7:44 pmI still believe that exerting pressure on the democrats with all means available to restore our rights and to end the war is expedient in our pursuit of democractic freedom !I do not forgive Obama on his vote on FISA or the democrats support of wiretapping my private conversations .I see no down side to keeping a fire lit under the democratic party .
I appreciate your optimism at the same time .Time will tell if it is warranted .
AlphaLiberal Says:
Yes, the party in power PICKS their Chair. But, once the Chair is picked how can they be removed? I think it’s more difficult to remove than to appoint.
Actually, they'd not be "removing" Liar-berman -- they'd just not be reappointing him. New Congress in January 2009, which means new committee assignments, new chairmen, etc. While most committee chairs are reappointed from one Congress to the next, that's not always the case. So it's not necessarily more difficult to "remove" a committee chair than to appoint him/her; all it would take is a decision not to reappoint him/her once the new Congress convenes.
That being said, I like your idea about not sending one more red cent (or euro, or whatever currency we'll soon be using) to the DSCC until they get a spine and give Liar-berman the karma he has coming to him for supporting the dark side this past year...
November 17th, 2008 at 7:46 pmActually, come to think of it, zombies don't march in lock step, but you know what I mean.
November 17th, 2008 at 7:47 pmMC: "If that truly is the case , what is the point of keeping the Israeli-1st’er around anyway ?"
They obviously think they may need his vote on something and can overwhelm his votes against other things. I start with the assumption that they know what they're doing.
Freeman, I completely agree with applying pressure. In fact, I have never once voted for a Dem candidate in primaries who ended up as the nominee. I always send the message during the primaries that I want more liberal candidates. And, we are not republicans. We don't march in lock-step like a bunch of zombies. Of course we complain and we should.
November 17th, 2008 at 7:47 pmHmmm so Joe actively campaigns for Coleman in Minnasota, but we now need Lieberman so we can enact good legistation...please, get rid of him.
November 17th, 2008 at 7:48 pm49erDem Says:
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MC: “If that truly is the case , what is the point of keeping the Israeli-1st’er around anyway ?”
They obviously think they may need his vote on something and can overwhelm his votes against other things. I start with the assumption that they know what they’re doing.
November 17th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
If they truly knew what the hell they were doing , Harry Reid wouldn't be Senate Majority leader , and it wouldn't be this difficult to get a filibuster-proof majority after 8 years of the worst presidency in US history ; which was also "aided" during the 1st 6 years by GOP majorities ....
November 17th, 2008 at 7:51 pmAll of this makes sense if you consider that the United States is an economic exploitation zone for Israel, as well as a source of strong arm military thugs for Israel's wars.
November 17th, 2008 at 8:00 pmWhat did you all expect? That a poor black man with no parents who couldn't even afford to buy his home without shady help from a felon, was going to pull a Roosevelt? We've been duped. Now what are you going to do?
Nat Says:
In your opinion, what’s the difference between center-left and far left?
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In my opinion about half a mile. Think the difference between Hillary Clinton and Noam Chomsky
November 17th, 2008 at 8:06 pmIt would NEVER do if 'the people' ever actually had any evidence that they had any power at all...
the people are the only thing incumbents fear. they will do ANYTHING to preserve the privileges of incumbency...
anyone who believes otherwise is too naive to wed...
November 17th, 2008 at 8:08 pmWas it me in charge, I'd eliminate his entire office budget, cut off his access to IT, fire his whole staff, and move his desk into a farouking latrine in the Senate parking garage...He'd take a hint soon enough...
November 17th, 2008 at 8:11 pmOf course.
Because most of Washington's reckless foreign policy is based on supporting AIPAC.
We will never learn until it's too late.
Israel is the most dangerous country in the world and we keep arrming them.
And Lieberman is the main proponent of this.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:03 pmRemoving Joe LIEberman is off the table - Nancy *blink*Pelosi. Reid is composing a stern letter.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:18 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
Que the anti-Israel rants from Kay/freeman.
You are an idiot, plain and simple.
Want to play on your field?
Dr Insane Floormat is a phony, punk, foul-mouth lousy excuse for a Progressive, and in fact if I didn't know better, is someone who could be a Freeper as much as a Prog, although I doubt he is neither.
I am now noticing that even Ron Kuby is beginning to notice something smells rotten in Denmark. Why are all these Democrats kissing the butts of AIPAC recipients?
I just answered my own question.
freeman, the FISA "compromise" was one of many jelly-backboned acts Obama has done. Don't forget the $700 Extortion Bill, Rahmbo, Oil Drilling, Credit card Bill, and Patriot Act renewal. I asked a simple question last week in that "How far will any of you compromise your progressive values". So far all I got was cursing and Crackpot Matt's foaming at the mouth conundrums, joined in a sycophantic chorus by some other Obamtrons.
Lieberman basically is a non-issue, and will fade into the sunset.
As I originally said, in 6 months we will see.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:35 pmI thought this time it will be an administration focused on change and hope. I guess, as it shapes up, it will just be one of the same old democratic party. No clear leadership and just plain politics as usual.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:42 pmWell, well, well. The true hatred for Obama comes out, and in a progressive web site to boot.
The dems haven't hit a lick at a snake yet and yet you have all condemned them to hell....pre-emptivly. How democratic and progressive of you.
Everything is black and white with republicans. You know, your're either with us or against us, ect.
my, my, my. How like republicans you all sound here tongight.
Most of you already took your football and went home anyway by voting (i) so what's your problem.
They were voted in. They will do things in the long run that will cause you to either vote them in again or run someone against them.
You could show a little decorum and give them at least a running chance at failing though before you shoot them in the back.
Or, you could do what is being witnessed here tonight, have a little republican meltdown and start slinging accusations and threats.
Voicing your opinion is one thing but this reminds me of what is happening in the republican camp and for the very same reasons.
November 17th, 2008 at 10:04 pmWe need a new party that will actually stand up and fight for the rights of the people. Stop the lies and the collegiality that excuses this crap. Reaching across the aisle doesn't mean bending over farther to be kicked harder. I am not a happy camper. And, yes, I long ago wrote my senator to vote against the chairmanship. Joe Liar will do anything he damn well wants--that is holding the Senate of the US hostage to his insane demands, whatever they really are. He is demented.
November 17th, 2008 at 10:07 pmMany of the Democratic "leaders" have to be sent packing on the same horse as GB. The thought of LIEbermann getting away with such traitorous actions against his party/country is out of the question (as is Bush-Cheney's abuse of power!).
I will help work to unseat as many of the self-serving politicians who vote to let Lieberman to keep his Homeland Security chairmanship.
Pelosi and Reid have been part of a bigger problem and have to be replaced by those more responsive to what the COUNTRY needs as opposed to placating thee political needs of their 'friends'.
Just because they're Democrats doesn't mean they're immune to the same criticism as Republicans.
November 18th, 2008 at 3:53 amYou should have known the fix was in when (I assume) Harry Reid scheduled the vote for this Senate and not the next.
¶ AIO
November 18th, 2008 at 6:21 amOnce Obama got the nomination, he made his fawning speech at AIPAC.
He's surrounding himself with hardline Isreal supporters.
November 18th, 2008 at 6:33 amMy "skepticism" not hatred was developed as he morphed from a anti-war candidate to a fawning AIPAC.
Obamania will last 6 months tops.
Just look the people he's aligning himself with.
I don't see any labor leadersm, so far, in his cabinet.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:35 amThere may be a majority in Congress that even the fish would not want.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:05 amThis is great news! I'm glad to hear cooler heads have prevailed. Joe stays!
November 18th, 2008 at 10:29 amhttp://letjoestay.blogspot.com/
Nobody will mention the elephant in the room, the Israel Lobby. Heads roll when that happens. Just how was it Lieberman was so sure of financing outside the Democratic party after the Connecticut primary? And why doe we have such slavish adherence to Likud in all public discussions, political or, to a lesser extent, academic? Because you will be marked and branded an anti-Semitic if you but suggest an even-handed approach to the Palestinians.
It isn't a Jewish question, as that demographic (including my family) supported the war error in 2003 and thereafter at a lesser rate than the general population. The Lobby works to ensure the US policy is in lockstep with the right wing in Israel. Another irony: you have more freedom of expression there than here, for many who oppose Israeli expansion inside Israel would be hounded out of their jobs in America.
Forget I said anything. Mum's the word, and Lieberman keeps his gavel.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:46 amWTF!?! Spineless bastards who run the Democratic Party.
Lieberman did nothing the whole reign of bush43. We all know he will come in with a vengence & go after the Obama Administration like Starr went after bubba over Lewinsky.
I won't give one dime to the Democratic national Committee. I'll only donate directly via ActBlue.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:09 amSenator Lieberman is no longer a democrat! He does NOT deserve a democratic committee chairmanship, period. Especially since with him or without him we still do not have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate?
Why aren't the democratic senators clever enough to understand this?
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