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	<title>Comments on: Mullen Endorses &#8216;Conditions-Based&#8217; Withdrawal, Suggests Iraq SOFA Dates Could Be Ignored</title>
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		<title>By: bspence11</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/17/mullen-iraq-sofa/comment-page-1/#comment-5347394</link>
		<dc:creator>bspence11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great for Obama.  The withdrawal was going to happen with or without him, so the radical right wing can&#039;t (but you know they will) blame him for the pull out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great for Obama.  The withdrawal was going to happen with or without him, so the radical right wing can&#8217;t (but you know they will) blame him for the pull out.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347394', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/17/mullen-iraq-sofa/comment-page-1/#comment-5347338</link>
		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate that Random Chaos Thank You</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate that Random Chaos Thank You<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347338', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/17/mullen-iraq-sofa/comment-page-1/#comment-5347332</link>
		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim Vaculik Says: 
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Of course, Obama was just doing what he does best.

After all, the official, elected government of Kenysa had to insist that he cease and desist in his meddling of their internal affairs re: the Odinga affair.

Like father like son as they say…
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp

You can tell a brainwashed moron like you by his post they say. They ARE right about that.



The corrupt govenment of Kenya MIGHT say anything but the Obama Odinga connetion is slight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Vaculik Says:<br />
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<p>Of course, Obama was just doing what he does best.</p>
<p>After all, the official, elected government of Kenysa had to insist that he cease and desist in his meddling of their internal affairs re: the Odinga affair.</p>
<p>Like father like son as they say…<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp</a></p>
<p>You can tell a brainwashed moron like you by his post they say. They ARE right about that.</p>
<p>The corrupt govenment of Kenya MIGHT say anything but the Obama Odinga connetion is slight.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347332', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/17/mullen-iraq-sofa/comment-page-1/#comment-5347328</link>
		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim Vaculik Says: 
Specifically, what Obama told the Iraqis is that they should hold off on negotiating the SOFA until AFTER the election! No wonder they took pause… they couldn’t fathom what a candidate for the U.S. Presidency was doing by suggesting such a thing OUSIDE of proper, diplomatic channels!

They might as well shit-can the Logan Act…
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Well that is what Zebari says. Obama denies it. Got PROOF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Vaculik Says:<br />
Specifically, what Obama told the Iraqis is that they should hold off on negotiating the SOFA until AFTER the election! No wonder they took pause… they couldn’t fathom what a candidate for the U.S. Presidency was doing by suggesting such a thing OUSIDE of proper, diplomatic channels!</p>
<p>They might as well shit-can the Logan Act…<br />
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<p>Well that is what Zebari says. Obama denies it. Got PROOF?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347328', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim Vaculik Says: 

Of course, Obama was just following in the footsteps of Ms. Pelosi who herself should be brought up on charges of violating the Logan Act!

Remember her pathetic, unpatriotic attempt to cause problems with the Kuds and the Turks? If her effortts had been successful, our vital supply lines through Turkey would have been disrupted.

She’s no better than a traitor in my book.
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And YOU are no better than a brainwashed propaganda parrot unpatriotic, stupid and a liar. Pelosi did no such thing. My GOD you are ignorant. Congress has been meeting with foriegn leaders for more than 200 years you fool. You do not KNOW she was negotiating anything contrary to Administration policy. She was obviously never charged. She is speaker of the House. The State Dept briefed Pelosi for the trip and gave material support for it.

Here is what the State Dept ITSELF says about the Logan Act
when talking about McGovern going to Cuba

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33265.pdf

The clear intent of this provision is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953, however, would appear to restrict
members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in
any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba, was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country.

So do you have some EVIDENCE that Pelosi was doing anything but pursuing her legislative duties in Syria? Oh you DONT? Imagine my suprise. You NEVER know what you are talking about and simply spew your hivemind programming at us. You are ignorant and pathetic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Vaculik Says: </p>
<p>Of course, Obama was just following in the footsteps of Ms. Pelosi who herself should be brought up on charges of violating the Logan Act!</p>
<p>Remember her pathetic, unpatriotic attempt to cause problems with the Kuds and the Turks? If her effortts had been successful, our vital supply lines through Turkey would have been disrupted.</p>
<p>She’s no better than a traitor in my book.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>And YOU are no better than a brainwashed propaganda parrot unpatriotic, stupid and a liar. Pelosi did no such thing. My GOD you are ignorant. Congress has been meeting with foriegn leaders for more than 200 years you fool. You do not KNOW she was negotiating anything contrary to Administration policy. She was obviously never charged. She is speaker of the House. The State Dept briefed Pelosi for the trip and gave material support for it.</p>
<p>Here is what the State Dept ITSELF says about the Logan Act<br />
when talking about McGovern going to Cuba</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33265.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33265.pdf</a></p>
<p>The clear intent of this provision is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953, however, would appear to restrict<br />
members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution. In the case of Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in<br />
any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba, was fully informed of the nature and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that country.</p>
<p>So do you have some EVIDENCE that Pelosi was doing anything but pursuing her legislative duties in Syria? Oh you DONT? Imagine my suprise. You NEVER know what you are talking about and simply spew your hivemind programming at us. You are ignorant and pathetic<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347322', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/17/mullen-iraq-sofa/comment-page-1/#comment-5347318</link>
		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim Vaculik Says: 

Yeah, I gues Obama’s little confab with the Iraqi’s has paid off.

He violated the Logan act when he met with the Iraqis in an attempt to negotiate the SOFA himself BEFORE he was even elected.
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Do you have any evidence that Obama violated the Logan Act? Did you pull that directly out of your ass or is that what the Limborg has instructed you to believe. I notice he hasnt been CHARGED with violating the Logan act. Perhaps because the President elect isnt CONSIDERED a private citizen? Perhaps he didnt do any NEGOTIATING? Most likely you are a liar and a fool and an ignorant brainwashed cretin</description>
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<p>Yeah, I gues Obama’s little confab with the Iraqi’s has paid off.</p>
<p>He violated the Logan act when he met with the Iraqis in an attempt to negotiate the SOFA himself BEFORE he was even elected.<br />
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<p>Do you have any evidence that Obama violated the Logan Act? Did you pull that directly out of your ass or is that what the Limborg has instructed you to believe. I notice he hasnt been CHARGED with violating the Logan act. Perhaps because the President elect isnt CONSIDERED a private citizen? Perhaps he didnt do any NEGOTIATING? Most likely you are a liar and a fool and an ignorant brainwashed cretin<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347318', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dbadass</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbadass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I was thinking more about the ones the current president made up, discarded, made new ones, discarded, and so on. Might I kindly pointout again that the d is lowercase? Sheesh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I was thinking more about the ones the current president made up, discarded, made new ones, discarded, and so on. Might I kindly pointout again that the d is lowercase? Sheesh&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347210', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Vaculik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Vaculik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dbadass,

I assume you are referring to what our new President&#039;s objectives are vis-a-vis the Iraq war?

My understanding is that he wants us outta there, like yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dbadass,</p>
<p>I assume you are referring to what our new President&#8217;s objectives are vis-a-vis the Iraq war?</p>
<p>My understanding is that he wants us outta there, like yesterday.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347194', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MapleStreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>MapleStreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the USA has signed its name on an agreement - in short they have signed a contract and immediately started indicating that they could ignore it if they wanted to.

The soldiers signed a contract with the Army for their term of enlistment.  I am sure the Army will let the soldiers ignore that if they want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the USA has signed its name on an agreement &#8211; in short they have signed a contract and immediately started indicating that they could ignore it if they wanted to.</p>
<p>The soldiers signed a contract with the Army for their term of enlistment.  I am sure the Army will let the soldiers ignore that if they want to.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347178', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dbadass</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbadass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No prob Wayne. I will. It will no doubt amuse me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No prob Wayne. I will. It will no doubt amuse me.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347126', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne A. Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne A. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Unfortunately, there is no “dollars and cents” payoff in war. You either win it or lose it - nothing in between.&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s absurd.  There have been plenty of wars throughout history that fizzled into nothing, or ended with neither side better off than the other.

ANd he didn&#039;t ask you when it would &quot;payoff&quot;, he asked whenit would start &quot;paying for itself&quot;, which is what one of the architects of the War in Iraq told Congress in sworn testimony.  So it&#039;s a legitimate question.  When does the War in Iraq start paying for itself?  Obviously not when Wolfowitz said it would, &quot;relatively quickly&quot;.


&lt;em&gt;The payoff comes with achieving the objectives you set out when you have to go to war.&lt;/em&gt;

Well, since we didn&#039;t &quot;have to go to war&quot; in Iraq, I wonder what kind of &quot;payoff&quot; we can expect, since there clearly could not have been &quot;objectives&quot; to achieve.


I&#039;m not sticking around to hear what other drivel comes out of the troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Unfortunately, there is no “dollars and cents” payoff in war. You either win it or lose it &#8211; nothing in between.</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s absurd.  There have been plenty of wars throughout history that fizzled into nothing, or ended with neither side better off than the other.</p>
<p>ANd he didn&#8217;t ask you when it would &#8220;payoff&#8221;, he asked whenit would start &#8220;paying for itself&#8221;, which is what one of the architects of the War in Iraq told Congress in sworn testimony.  So it&#8217;s a legitimate question.  When does the War in Iraq start paying for itself?  Obviously not when Wolfowitz said it would, &#8220;relatively quickly&#8221;.</p>
<p><em>The payoff comes with achieving the objectives you set out when you have to go to war.</em></p>
<p>Well, since we didn&#8217;t &#8220;have to go to war&#8221; in Iraq, I wonder what kind of &#8220;payoff&#8221; we can expect, since there clearly could not have been &#8220;objectives&#8221; to achieve.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sticking around to hear what other drivel comes out of the troll.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347120', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne A. Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne A. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Specifically, what Obama told the Iraqis is that they should hold off on negotiating the SOFA until AFTER the election! &lt;/em&gt;

Did he really do that?  Or is that just speculation?  Because sitting Senators and Representatives (including Speaker Pelosi) know that they cannot go to foreign countries and contradict official American foreign policy, and I have heard of no evidence suggesting that either of them did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Specifically, what Obama told the Iraqis is that they should hold off on negotiating the SOFA until AFTER the election! </em></p>
<p>Did he really do that?  Or is that just speculation?  Because sitting Senators and Representatives (including Speaker Pelosi) know that they cannot go to foreign countries and contradict official American foreign policy, and I have heard of no evidence suggesting that either of them did.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347110', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dbadass</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbadass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t wait to hear what those objectives are/were...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t wait to hear what those objectives are/were&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347080', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dbadass</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbadass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347076', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Vaculik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Vaculik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abarts,

Unfortunately, there is no &quot;dollars and cents&quot; payoff in war.  You either win it or lose it - nothing in between.

The payoff comes with achieving the objectives you set out when you have to go to war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abarts,</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there is no &#8220;dollars and cents&#8221; payoff in war.  You either win it or lose it &#8211; nothing in between.</p>
<p>The payoff comes with achieving the objectives you set out when you have to go to war.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347074', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: abarts</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/17/mullen-iraq-sofa/comment-page-1/#comment-5347068</link>
		<dc:creator>abarts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, when does the war start paying for itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, when does the war start paying for itself?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347068', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Vaculik</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/17/mullen-iraq-sofa/comment-page-1/#comment-5347044</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Vaculik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, Obama was just doing what he does best.

After all, the official, elected government of Kenysa had to insist that he cease and desist in his meddling of their internal affairs re: the Odinga affair.

Like father like son as they say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, Obama was just doing what he does best.</p>
<p>After all, the official, elected government of Kenysa had to insist that he cease and desist in his meddling of their internal affairs re: the Odinga affair.</p>
<p>Like father like son as they say&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347044', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Vaculik</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/17/mullen-iraq-sofa/comment-page-1/#comment-5347040</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Vaculik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Specifically, what Obama told the Iraqis is that they should hold off on negotiating the SOFA until AFTER the election!  No wonder they took pause... they couldn&#039;t fathom what a candidate for the U.S. Presidency was doing by suggesting such a thing OUSIDE of proper, diplomatic channels!

They might as well shit-can the Logan Act...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Specifically, what Obama told the Iraqis is that they should hold off on negotiating the SOFA until AFTER the election!  No wonder they took pause&#8230; they couldn&#8217;t fathom what a candidate for the U.S. Presidency was doing by suggesting such a thing OUSIDE of proper, diplomatic channels!</p>
<p>They might as well shit-can the Logan Act&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347040', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Vaculik</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/17/mullen-iraq-sofa/comment-page-1/#comment-5347030</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Vaculik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, Obama was just following in the footsteps of Ms. Pelosi who herself should be brought up on charges of violating the Logan Act!

Remember her pathetic, unpatriotic attempt to cause problems with the Kuds and the Turks?  If her effortts had been successful, our vital supply lines through Turkey would have been disrupted.

She&#039;s no better than a traitor in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, Obama was just following in the footsteps of Ms. Pelosi who herself should be brought up on charges of violating the Logan Act!</p>
<p>Remember her pathetic, unpatriotic attempt to cause problems with the Kuds and the Turks?  If her effortts had been successful, our vital supply lines through Turkey would have been disrupted.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s no better than a traitor in my book.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347030', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Vaculik</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/17/mullen-iraq-sofa/comment-page-1/#comment-5347022</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Vaculik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I gues Obama&#039;s little confab with the Iraqi&#039;s has paid off.

He violated the Logan act when he met with the Iraqis in an attempt to negotiate the SOFA himself BEFORE he was even elected.

At the time of his visit, the Iraqis were puzzled about why he was attempting to inject himself into the mix.

He introduced just enough doubt to get the Iraqis to delay the vote on the agreement until the outcome could be altered.

Funny how it went the way Obama wanted...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I gues Obama&#8217;s little confab with the Iraqi&#8217;s has paid off.</p>
<p>He violated the Logan act when he met with the Iraqis in an attempt to negotiate the SOFA himself BEFORE he was even elected.</p>
<p>At the time of his visit, the Iraqis were puzzled about why he was attempting to inject himself into the mix.</p>
<p>He introduced just enough doubt to get the Iraqis to delay the vote on the agreement until the outcome could be altered.</p>
<p>Funny how it went the way Obama wanted&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347022', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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