Comments on: ACLU suit alleges U.S. used foreign nations to hold terror suspects without charges.

By: Max-1

Max-1 — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:34:49 +0000

Be it one person or millions of people, illegal is illegal!

By: dbadass

dbadass — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:59:33 +0000

Imagine how many fewer hungry people there would be if Diana9 spent more time making sanwiches and less time posting the exact same post.

By: WaltinTexas

WaltinTexas — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:55:22 +0000

#9 Curlew, Yes. Just one more thing for those “value” voters to ignore.

By: freeman

freeman — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:33:41 +0000

I disagree Bilbo , Obama has made some very troubling moves since winning the election and he and the democratic party in general should know that the people have awoken from their slumber .
Will you defend his broken promise on FISA , his defence and support of Joe Lieberman ,his vote for off shore oil drilling and his vote for the bailout ? His appointment of Rahm Emmanuel isn’t worth even discussing critically or the fact that the NY times ( i believe) said he will most likely expand domestic surveillance ?
Have you looked at the links from democracy now on detention centers or his intelligence transition team that I posted on todays earlier threads ?

By: Keith H.

Keith H. — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:32:47 +0000

I have for a long time now seriously wondered what the purpose of the torture and the holding without charges is.
I can’t make any sense out of it. It’s almost like the life of their ‘war on terrah’ wet-dream hangs in the balance.

By: impeachcheneythenbush

impeachcheneythenbush — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:31:00 +0000

I’m trying to be patient and give the new administration, after Barack is inaugerated, a chance to prove the “change” mantra. There have been worrisome signs. For me, civil liberties and the protection of the U.S. Constitution are paramount. The rubber will meet the road for me on the below issue, because it looks like it will be an early decision.

WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama will face a series of early decisions on domestic spying that will test his administration’s views on presidential power and civil liberties.

A court has ordered the government to turn over information on any federal eavesdropping conducted in the case of Ali al-Timimi, center, who was convicted of supporting terrorism.

The Justice Department will be asked to respond to motions in legal challenges to the National Security Agency’s wiretapping program, and must decide whether to continue the tactics used by the Bush administration — which has used broad claims of national security and “state secrets” to try to derail the challenges — or instead agree to disclose publicly more information about how the program was run.

When he takes office, Mr. Obama will inherit greater power in domestic spying power than any other new president in more than 30 years, but he may find himself in an awkward position as he weighs how to wield it. As a presidential candidate, he condemned the N.S.A. operation as illegal, and threatened to filibuster a bill that would grant the government expanded surveillance powers and provide immunity to phone companies that helped in the Bush administration’s program of wiretapping without warrants. But Mr. Obama switched positions and ultimately supported the measure in the Senate, angering liberal supporters who accused him of bowing to pressure from the right.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/washington/18nsa.html?_r=1

By: Bilbo Hussein Baggins

Bilbo Hussein Baggins — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:23:02 +0000

freeman Says:
Zimzone ,
Some things are worth shouting about , and sometimes patience is not a virtue .
What exactly would be the down side to holding our democratic leaders feet to the fire , the election is over ?

Because aside from allowing LIEberman to blackmail them, Obama and the Democrats haven’t DONE ANYTHING to hold their feet to the fire over. You obviously aren’t willing to let them make a mistake before criticizing them. What is that going to accomplish?

By: Bilbo Hussein Baggins

Bilbo Hussein Baggins — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:21:18 +0000

freeman Says:
Why would Obama appoint a man who defended extraordinary rendition and torture on PBS on the news hour to his transition team on intelligence ?

So what you are saying is that if Obama appoints someone to a position, that means that he agrees with everything that person has ever said or done? Isn’t that a little like saying that Obama is responsible for everyone he has ever associated with?

Is it impossible for you to withhold judgment until Obama does something that is worth criticizing?

By: freeman

freeman — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:08:18 +0000

Zimzone ,
Some things are worth shouting about , and sometimes patience is not a virtue .
What exactly would be the down side to holding our democratic leaders feet to the fire , the election is over ?

By: Buckie Boy

Buckie Boy — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:04:38 +0000

How many hundreds have these WAR CRIMINALS done this to?

How many have they just “Disappeared”?

Why have 108 detainees in Afgan and Iraqi prison sites died or beaten to death?

Why is Bush and Cheney not impeached and not rotting in prison right now?

Because we have become an immoral rouge state, maybe?

By: freeman

freeman — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:02:35 +0000

Why would Obama appoint a man who defended extraordinary rendition and torture on PBS on the news hour to his transition team on intelligence ?
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/17/obama_taps_ex_cia_officials_tied

By: Zimzone

Zimzone — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:01:52 +0000

All you ADHD ranters need to take a deep breath. We still have over 2 months before Obama is in office.

Patience is a virtue…shouting is just annoying.

By: MapleStreet

MapleStreet — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:00:41 +0000

There is so much dirt. And both sides were, at least, commplacent in part of it.

An investigation from within the US govt is inherrently tainted.

We need an independent body to review this. I wonder what the Hague is doing this year .

By: hanshiro

hanshiro — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:53:18 +0000

It’s very indicative of a nation when the ACLU is working overtime, but the press freedom ranking puts America at # 41 in the world…behind South Africa and Ghana.

(and let’s not forget, #37 in health care- *whee*)

Christ, together with an idiotic & spine-free congress and a president-elect who isn’t interested in prosecuting the biggest war crimes in US history, America is circling the drain.

Change my @$$!

By: Lungman424

Lungman424 — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:46:45 +0000

Obama’s going to close Gitmo?…don’t you think we better wait until we hear what Joe says about that!!!

By: LiberalVoter

LiberalVoter — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:43:03 +0000

Gee, yet another item for this administration to be investigated over.

By: Curlew

Curlew — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:37:31 +0000

#6. Remember it was Chimpy McFlightsuit himself who said the Constitution was “just a god-damned piece of paper.”

By: Leftside Annie

Leftside Annie — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:37:12 +0000

I love the ACLU.

By: Jackie

Jackie — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:36:48 +0000

There is so much proof, documents and testimoney to these crimes only the United Nations can handle it. We have even tortured, raped and killed woman/children during Bush’s War. Some lived to tell their horror othes are dead. The US can’t be trusted to handle these matters as it’s still inbedded with corrupt Law Makers. Some family members were kidnapped by the US and never heard from again.

By: WaltinTexas

WaltinTexas — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:36:19 +0000

Reich-wingers like Bush/Cheney don’t care about the U.S. Constitution. After all, all they did was place their hand on a Bible and swear to uphold and defend it. That obviously means nothing to them.