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		<title>By: stateofthedivision</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/18/thinkfast-november-18-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-5349404</link>
		<dc:creator>stateofthedivision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rahm Emanuel meet with CEO&#039;s in a Wall Street Journal sponsored event:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/11/18/determined-not-to-make-news-emanuel-speaks-of-era-of-reform/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rahm Emanuel meet with CEO&#8217;s in a Wall Street Journal sponsored event:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/11/18/determined-not-to-make-news-emanuel-speaks-of-era-of-reform/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/11/18/determined-not-to-make-news-emanuel-speaks-of-era-of-reform/</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5349404', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: stateofthedivision</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/18/thinkfast-november-18-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-5347758</link>
		<dc:creator>stateofthedivision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breaking news on CSPAN:

Senator Joe Lieberman to keep Chairmanship of Homeland Security &amp; Governmental Affairs Committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breaking news on CSPAN:</p>
<p>Senator Joe Lieberman to keep Chairmanship of Homeland Security &amp; Governmental Affairs Committee.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347758', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: stateofthedivision</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/18/thinkfast-november-18-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-5347734</link>
		<dc:creator>stateofthedivision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;MarketWatch &lt;/em&gt;has a piece on America&#039;s financial future.  It&#039;s well worth the read:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Well-Great-Depression-2-2011/story.aspx?guid=%7BB28B49B5%2DEFD1%2D4941%2DB57E%2DA2BA1545BA09%7D&amp;dist=SecMostRead</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>MarketWatch </em>has a piece on America&#8217;s financial future.  It&#8217;s well worth the read:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Well-Great-Depression-2-2011/story.aspx?guid=%7BB28B49B5%2DEFD1%2D4941%2DB57E%2DA2BA1545BA09%7D&amp;dist=SecMostRead" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Well-Great-Depression-2-2011/story.aspx?guid=%7BB28B49B5%2DEFD1%2D4941%2DB57E%2DA2BA1545BA09%7D&amp;dist=SecMostRead</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347734', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: livelongandprosper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/18/thinkfast-november-18-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-5347716</link>
		<dc:creator>livelongandprosper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;misshusseinmolly Says:

hanshiro Says
November 18th, 2008 at 9:16 am

So much for the “Obama secret plan” of gaining office and prosecuting the bast*ards in the worst administration on US history. The horrors of Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and more likely every other bush abuse will not be pursued.
____________________________________________________________

I, probably as much as anyone else, would dearly love to see these criminals who’ve been in power for the past eight years brought to justice.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Terrific article by Scott Horton in December Harper&#039;s called &quot;Justice After Bush&quot; on just how to go about it without Obama risking too much too early.  He is an attorney in New York and seems to have though it through.  Sorry, I don&#039;t have a link as I read the print copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>misshusseinmolly Says:</p>
<p>hanshiro Says<br />
November 18th, 2008 at 9:16 am</p>
<p>So much for the “Obama secret plan” of gaining office and prosecuting the bast*ards in the worst administration on US history. The horrors of Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and more likely every other bush abuse will not be pursued.<br />
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<p>I, probably as much as anyone else, would dearly love to see these criminals who’ve been in power for the past eight years brought to justice.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Terrific article by Scott Horton in December Harper&#8217;s called &#8220;Justice After Bush&#8221; on just how to go about it without Obama risking too much too early.  He is an attorney in New York and seems to have though it through.  Sorry, I don&#8217;t have a link as I read the print copy.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347716', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: stateofthedivision</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/18/thinkfast-november-18-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-5347710</link>
		<dc:creator>stateofthedivision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The M&amp;A boys are positioning themselves for health care:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Strategic-Buyers-Private-Equity-Players/story.aspx?guid=%7B8E862031-330F-4B5B-B5DC-69DE4F7056A8%7D

The Carlyle Group will have a speaker on the moderated panel.  They meet a week after Obama&#039;s inauguration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The M&amp;A boys are positioning themselves for health care:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Strategic-Buyers-Private-Equity-Players/story.aspx?guid=%7B8E862031-330F-4B5B-B5DC-69DE4F7056A8%7D" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Strategic-Buyers-Private-Equity-Players/story.aspx?guid=%7B8E862031-330F-4B5B-B5DC-69DE4F7056A8%7D</a></p>
<p>The Carlyle Group will have a speaker on the moderated panel.  They meet a week after Obama&#8217;s inauguration.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347710', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Leftside Annie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/18/thinkfast-november-18-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-5347674</link>
		<dc:creator>Leftside Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The move will “deprive the incoming Obama administration of the chance to install its preferred appointees in some key jobs.”&lt;/em&gt;

So whatever happened to that &quot;serving at the pleasure of the President&quot; crap...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The move will “deprive the incoming Obama administration of the chance to install its preferred appointees in some key jobs.”</em></p>
<p>So whatever happened to that &#8220;serving at the pleasure of the President&#8221; crap&#8230;?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347674', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: hanshiro</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/18/thinkfast-november-18-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-5347666</link>
		<dc:creator>hanshiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently Obama can&#039;t cover for the republicans fast enough.

First the telecom capitulation, then the drilling cave, now indifference to republican&#039;s war crimes. Obama is turning his back on the bush charnel house and the butt-kissing supporters can&#039;t make excuses for him fast enough.

Torture, blowning children to bits, roving deathsquads, billions unaccounted for, rape, murder, experimenting on low income children, Katrina&#039;s murderous incompetence...

Nice of the Obama suck-ups to absolve our &quot;new&quot; boss of his responsibility to bring the bush war criminals to accountability; the most horrifically ruthless individuals this side of Ed Gein.

Obama hasn&#039;t taken office yet, (yes, I voted for him) and he&#039;s already signaling that he isn&#039;t interested in holding serial criminals responsible, just sweeping the last 8 years under the rug, thinking that ignoring it is the same as starting fresh.

What an unqualified disgrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently Obama can&#8217;t cover for the republicans fast enough.</p>
<p>First the telecom capitulation, then the drilling cave, now indifference to republican&#8217;s war crimes. Obama is turning his back on the bush charnel house and the butt-kissing supporters can&#8217;t make excuses for him fast enough.</p>
<p>Torture, blowning children to bits, roving deathsquads, billions unaccounted for, rape, murder, experimenting on low income children, Katrina&#8217;s murderous incompetence&#8230;</p>
<p>Nice of the Obama suck-ups to absolve our &#8220;new&#8221; boss of his responsibility to bring the bush war criminals to accountability; the most horrifically ruthless individuals this side of Ed Gein.</p>
<p>Obama hasn&#8217;t taken office yet, (yes, I voted for him) and he&#8217;s already signaling that he isn&#8217;t interested in holding serial criminals responsible, just sweeping the last 8 years under the rug, thinking that ignoring it is the same as starting fresh.</p>
<p>What an unqualified disgrace.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347666', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: IgnoranceIsNotBliss</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/18/thinkfast-november-18-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-5347638</link>
		<dc:creator>IgnoranceIsNotBliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to Rachel Maddow: Rachel, if you&#039;re reading this, please, do not use Huffington as your fill in when you aren&#039;t there. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to Rachel Maddow: Rachel, if you&#8217;re reading this, please, do not use Huffington as your fill in when you aren&#8217;t there. Thank you.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347638', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: McWars</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/18/thinkfast-november-18-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-5347574</link>
		<dc:creator>McWars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) announced yesterday that “he would advance a bill early next year calling for universal health care.” Kennedy, who was making his second appearance on Capitol Hill since he began treatment for a malignant brain tumor in June, said that “the president-elect has indicated that this is going to be a priority, and I certainly hope it will.”&lt;/em&gt;

This is wonderful. I am glad to see Teddy return to the Senate and I hope he is recouped and well-rested. 

A remodeled health care system is badly needed. Republicans and blue-dog dems will complain of the costs of implementing such a program, but I&#039;d rather see the government take on the debt than see that debt burdening individuals who, in turn, lose their homes, their savings, and face skyrocketing premiums and deductibles. Government spending can pay for itself (a healthy populace able can work, provide for themselves and for their families and pay into the system). The government has more muscle to take on loads of debt, though it&#039;s never advisable, and most individuals do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) announced yesterday that “he would advance a bill early next year calling for universal health care.” Kennedy, who was making his second appearance on Capitol Hill since he began treatment for a malignant brain tumor in June, said that “the president-elect has indicated that this is going to be a priority, and I certainly hope it will.”</em></p>
<p>This is wonderful. I am glad to see Teddy return to the Senate and I hope he is recouped and well-rested. </p>
<p>A remodeled health care system is badly needed. Republicans and blue-dog dems will complain of the costs of implementing such a program, but I&#8217;d rather see the government take on the debt than see that debt burdening individuals who, in turn, lose their homes, their savings, and face skyrocketing premiums and deductibles. Government spending can pay for itself (a healthy populace able can work, provide for themselves and for their families and pay into the system). The government has more muscle to take on loads of debt, though it&#8217;s never advisable, and most individuals do not.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347574', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: 5th Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>5th Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rocks911 Says:&lt;em&gt; Dr. Deming offered his knowledge and perspectives a long time ago to our automobile industry leaders but they would have none of it.&lt;/em&gt;

One of the really crazy things about the Big three is that through their European divisions they had and still have  &quot;turnkey&quot; solutions to reverse their market losses due to competition and the new energy/economic climate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rocks911 Says:<em> Dr. Deming offered his knowledge and perspectives a long time ago to our automobile industry leaders but they would have none of it.</em></p>
<p>One of the really crazy things about the Big three is that through their European divisions they had and still have  &#8220;turnkey&#8221; solutions to reverse their market losses due to competition and the new energy/economic climate.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347570', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: McWars</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/18/thinkfast-november-18-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-5347554</link>
		<dc:creator>McWars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) is “challenging the idea that the expanded Democratic majority and its leaders will make a hard left turn,” the Hill reports. According to the prepared remarks for a speech at the National Press Club, Hoyer will argue today, “For the first time in decades, we are a true national majority party–and if we want to stay that way, we must govern like one.”&lt;/em&gt;

Just where have you been keeping that impeachment table, Steny?  Of note, &quot;hard left&quot; will be needed to iron out the damage done by the hard right. You govern can govern as if you&#039;re afraid of republicans, but history has shown they don&#039;t return any favors. Lighten up, the GOP is a third party now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) is “challenging the idea that the expanded Democratic majority and its leaders will make a hard left turn,” the Hill reports. According to the prepared remarks for a speech at the National Press Club, Hoyer will argue today, “For the first time in decades, we are a true national majority party–and if we want to stay that way, we must govern like one.”</em></p>
<p>Just where have you been keeping that impeachment table, Steny?  Of note, &#8220;hard left&#8221; will be needed to iron out the damage done by the hard right. You govern can govern as if you&#8217;re afraid of republicans, but history has shown they don&#8217;t return any favors. Lighten up, the GOP is a third party now.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347554', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo Hussein Baggins</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/18/thinkfast-november-18-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-5347556</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilbo Hussein Baggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;#misshusseinmolly Says:
I, probably as much as anyone else, would dearly love to see these criminals who’ve been in power for the past eight years brought to justice.

However, I also recognize that even Obama has a finite amount of political capital to spend during the critical beginning of his administration, and I figure he can spend it initiating programs that will benefit all Americans at a time when we badly need them, or he can spend it whacking the heads of our last regime.&lt;/em&gt;

He may not have a choice.  If the whistle blowers come out of the woodwork after January 20, then the Bush crimes are going to be front-and-center.  Obama may not be able to ignore the.

Sy Hirsch, our favorite and probably only investigative journalist left, was quoted as saying that most people he talks to say &quot;Come back and talk to us after January 20.  There are a lot of people in the government who want to be heard, but the threat of losing their jobs, benefits and maybe even their lives has kept them quiet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>#misshusseinmolly Says:<br />
I, probably as much as anyone else, would dearly love to see these criminals who’ve been in power for the past eight years brought to justice.</p>
<p>However, I also recognize that even Obama has a finite amount of political capital to spend during the critical beginning of his administration, and I figure he can spend it initiating programs that will benefit all Americans at a time when we badly need them, or he can spend it whacking the heads of our last regime.</em></p>
<p>He may not have a choice.  If the whistle blowers come out of the woodwork after January 20, then the Bush crimes are going to be front-and-center.  Obama may not be able to ignore the.</p>
<p>Sy Hirsch, our favorite and probably only investigative journalist left, was quoted as saying that most people he talks to say &#8220;Come back and talk to us after January 20.  There are a lot of people in the government who want to be heard, but the threat of losing their jobs, benefits and maybe even their lives has kept them quiet.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347556', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: impeachcheneythenbush</title>
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		<dc:creator>impeachcheneythenbush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry Paulson wrote an op-ed that appears today in the NYT.  Self-serving, as usual.  This guy needs to go.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/opinion/18paulson.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry Paulson wrote an op-ed that appears today in the NYT.  Self-serving, as usual.  This guy needs to go.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/opinion/18paulson.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/opinion/18paulson.html</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347552', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo Hussein Baggins</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/18/thinkfast-november-18-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-5347546</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilbo Hussein Baggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;cavjam Says:
re GM - we have a system in the U.S. for companies which cannot meet their debt obligations (and GM can’t) - it’s called bankruptcy. GM will not disappear. Stockholders will be wiped out (as they should be) and creditors will emerge with 30 cents on the dollar and ownership of some pretty wonderful assets. &lt;/em&gt;

So, how is a company that is in Chapter 11 Bankruptcy going to get the money they need to continue to operate.  Who is going to buy a car from a company that is in bankruptcy.

Besides, you know that filing for Bankruptcy will give them an excuse to break their union contracts.  

The only real solution is loaning them the money to keep them going coupled with requirements that they build fuel efficient cars and probably firing all the CEO&#039;s that got them into this mess in the first place, since they were hurting before the economy imploded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>cavjam Says:<br />
re GM &#8211; we have a system in the U.S. for companies which cannot meet their debt obligations (and GM can’t) &#8211; it’s called bankruptcy. GM will not disappear. Stockholders will be wiped out (as they should be) and creditors will emerge with 30 cents on the dollar and ownership of some pretty wonderful assets. </em></p>
<p>So, how is a company that is in Chapter 11 Bankruptcy going to get the money they need to continue to operate.  Who is going to buy a car from a company that is in bankruptcy.</p>
<p>Besides, you know that filing for Bankruptcy will give them an excuse to break their union contracts.  </p>
<p>The only real solution is loaning them the money to keep them going coupled with requirements that they build fuel efficient cars and probably firing all the CEO&#8217;s that got them into this mess in the first place, since they were hurting before the economy imploded.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347546', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: 5th Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>5th Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;em&gt;Americans are divided on whether the federal government should give “financial assistance to the Big Three U.S. automotive companies,&lt;/em&gt;”

But...but...wasn&#039;t the Bankster Bailout supposed to unfreeze credit so that businesses could borrow again? 
Why aren&#039;t the Big three asking THE BANKS and investors for the money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em>Americans are divided on whether the federal government should give “financial assistance to the Big Three U.S. automotive companies,</em>”</p>
<p>But&#8230;but&#8230;wasn&#8217;t the Bankster Bailout supposed to unfreeze credit so that businesses could borrow again?<br />
Why aren&#8217;t the Big three asking THE BANKS and investors for the money?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347540', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: impeachcheneythenbush</title>
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		<dc:creator>impeachcheneythenbush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Briseadh na Faire Says:

Hanshiro,

It’s not up to Obama. Congress granted them immunity from prosecution for war crimes back in 2005. The Constitution prevents Congress from going back and criminalizing behavior - no ex post facto laws allowed.

The only possible jurisdiction rests in the international courts.&lt;/em&gt;

My understanding is that the laws passed by Congress which would allow these criminals to escape punishment are ex post facto laws themselves.  I don&#039;t believe the &quot;War Crimes Act&quot; was ever cancelled, and still stands as the original law.  Unless Bush pardons everybody, I assume there may well be Constitutional challenges to the refusal to prosecute.  If Bush does pardon everybody...well, I guess there&#039;s the international courts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Briseadh na Faire Says:</p>
<p>Hanshiro,</p>
<p>It’s not up to Obama. Congress granted them immunity from prosecution for war crimes back in 2005. The Constitution prevents Congress from going back and criminalizing behavior &#8211; no ex post facto laws allowed.</p>
<p>The only possible jurisdiction rests in the international courts.</em></p>
<p>My understanding is that the laws passed by Congress which would allow these criminals to escape punishment are ex post facto laws themselves.  I don&#8217;t believe the &#8220;War Crimes Act&#8221; was ever cancelled, and still stands as the original law.  Unless Bush pardons everybody, I assume there may well be Constitutional challenges to the refusal to prosecute.  If Bush does pardon everybody&#8230;well, I guess there&#8217;s the international courts.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347534', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pbg</title>
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		<dc:creator>pbg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shifting appointees to civil service grades leaves three tactics available. 1) reorganization; 2) prosecution; and 3) bureaucratic force.
THe one we&#039;d like to see is prosecution, but these entrenched bureaucrats can have their departments stripped and new ones set up run by the proper people. The Bushites can also be ordered to implement policies anathema to them and then fired for cause if hey don&#039;t obey orders. They can either find themselves in Office Space hell (I hope you got the memo that the pink copies of the DS-12 forms are to be routed to Personnel and the yellow forms routed to Budget&quot;, or being given the choice to implement progressive policies or be fired.
A sufficiently mean bureaucratic head (like, oh, Rahm Emanuel) can wipe them out pretty quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shifting appointees to civil service grades leaves three tactics available. 1) reorganization; 2) prosecution; and 3) bureaucratic force.<br />
THe one we&#8217;d like to see is prosecution, but these entrenched bureaucrats can have their departments stripped and new ones set up run by the proper people. The Bushites can also be ordered to implement policies anathema to them and then fired for cause if hey don&#8217;t obey orders. They can either find themselves in Office Space hell (I hope you got the memo that the pink copies of the DS-12 forms are to be routed to Personnel and the yellow forms routed to Budget&#8221;, or being given the choice to implement progressive policies or be fired.<br />
A sufficiently mean bureaucratic head (like, oh, Rahm Emanuel) can wipe them out pretty quickly.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347532', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Nevar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nevar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The retired auto workers who drove the real estate and housing bubble in northern Michigan were not union members.
They were the management level who retired with their fat packages, bought up all the lakeshore properties and put up gates to keep everyone off their beach.
Now they whine over their cheese and crackers about how expensive it is to heat their massive structures exposed to the winter winds whipping off the lakes, and that their labor force has all left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The retired auto workers who drove the real estate and housing bubble in northern Michigan were not union members.<br />
They were the management level who retired with their fat packages, bought up all the lakeshore properties and put up gates to keep everyone off their beach.<br />
Now they whine over their cheese and crackers about how expensive it is to heat their massive structures exposed to the winter winds whipping off the lakes, and that their labor force has all left.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347522', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: barfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>barfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;No, I reckon Gingrich will embrace a lot of what Huck says. An attack on the Rev might be seen as an attack on the Xtian Right, so my money would be on someone who openly detests the Fundies (Bueller? Anyone?) or someone who’s too much of a simpleton to figure the implications from attacking Huck (Oh Sarah, where art thou?).&lt;/em&gt;

If you&#039;ve listened to Gingrich lately you&#039;ll find he&#039;s trying to blunt the evangelicals&#039; righteous sword in the party.  He still thinks he&#039;s got a shot at &#039;12, if Obama can&#039;t deliver, and as a twice-divorced &quot;christian,&quot; Newt doesn&#039;t have a chance with them, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>No, I reckon Gingrich will embrace a lot of what Huck says. An attack on the Rev might be seen as an attack on the Xtian Right, so my money would be on someone who openly detests the Fundies (Bueller? Anyone?) or someone who’s too much of a simpleton to figure the implications from attacking Huck (Oh Sarah, where art thou?).</em></p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve listened to Gingrich lately you&#8217;ll find he&#8217;s trying to blunt the evangelicals&#8217; righteous sword in the party.  He still thinks he&#8217;s got a shot at &#8216;12, if Obama can&#8217;t deliver, and as a twice-divorced &#8220;christian,&#8221; Newt doesn&#8217;t have a chance with them, anyway.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347516', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo Hussein Baggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilbo Hussein Baggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Americans are divided on whether the federal government should give “financial assistance to the Big Three U.S. automotive companies,” according to a new Gallup poll. Forty-seven percent of respondents said they favor providing aid while 49 percent oppose it.&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s because we have so many low-information voters in this country.  If they realized the repercussions of allowing our auto industry to fail, many more would realize we really have no choice but to help the auto industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Americans are divided on whether the federal government should give “financial assistance to the Big Three U.S. automotive companies,” according to a new Gallup poll. Forty-seven percent of respondents said they favor providing aid while 49 percent oppose it.</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s because we have so many low-information voters in this country.  If they realized the repercussions of allowing our auto industry to fail, many more would realize we really have no choice but to help the auto industry.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5347514', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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