Reports: Clinton accepts Secretary of State nomination; Geithner and Richardson also likely cabinet choices.
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Reports: Clinton accepts Secretary of State nomination; Geithner and Richardson also likely cabinet choices.
The New York Times reports that Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) “has decided to give up her Senate seat and accept the position of secretary of state.” According to MSNBC, it is “also expected Monday” that New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson will be named Commerce Secretary,” and New York Fed President Tim Geithner is expected to be announced as Treasury Secretary, “barring last minute changes.”
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New York Fed President Tim Geithner is expected to be announced as Treasury Secretary
– - Good, then can Rove finally STFU?
November 21st, 2008 at 3:38 pmNah, Badmoonman – now Roverboy will blame it all on the fact that Obama chose Geithner. ;o)
November 21st, 2008 at 3:45 pmDamn. Richardson deserved better.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:46 pmHillary as SoS=Obama FAIL.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:52 pm“Commerce” Secretary? I’m clueless as to what skillset Richards has to think that was the best spot for him.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:54 pmyesterday on TODAY, meredith asked chris matthews why obama dasn’t named his SOT yet -
“for the same reason Frankiln Roosevelt refused to join in the politics of Herbert Hoover and the economy of Herbert Hoover…”
so much for that…
i was kinda hoping he’d leave it hanging a while longer… certainly understand why he didn’t though…
damned if he do, damned if he don’t.
i mean, even tony perkins is trying another twist on the center-right meme:
I think many in the conservative movement, if you will, believe that the Republican Party took over the conservative movement and kind of ran it off the road.
woohoo! dizzy yet?
November 21st, 2008 at 3:56 pmKarl Rove will next blame food shortages on the sandwich and chips President-elect Obama doesn’t finish.
Santa Claus should drop Krazy Karl at a mental hospital before he and Dick Cheney go duck hunting at a mall.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:57 pmKeltoi, I couldn’t agree more.
Richardson is the only reason North Korea began talks with us.
He had the experience and diplomatic nature to be Sec/State. Obama was essentially forced to throw Hillary a bone. I still believe she could have been more beneficial staying in the Senate; perhaps even replacing Reid.
I don’t know anything about Geithner & will withhold comment until I learn more.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:58 pmI’m with ya there.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:00 pmThanks, Senator Clinton. Another promise to New Yorkers broken. Good luck in your new job. Don’t expect us to vote you into any office again.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:01 pmWill their be a grudge match smack-down between kindasleezy lice and hillary featuring box cutters? oooooo, dare to dream
November 21st, 2008 at 4:03 pmThis Geithner dude is a Kissinger/Rubin/Summers clone:
I am NOT liking the direction this seems to be going, and i didn’t trust St. Changer to begin with…
November 21st, 2008 at 4:11 pmI’da liked Richardson for Interior…
but they gotta give that to some farouking coal exec, or nuclear ass-buddy,…
November 21st, 2008 at 4:13 pmZimzone Says
November 21st, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Obama was essentially forced to throw Hillary a bone. I still believe she could have been more beneficial staying in the Senate; perhaps even replacing Reid.
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I doubt Hillary would have been in any kind of serious contention to replace Reid, even if Reid was due to be replaced. Even though she IS Hillary Clinton, she is only 68th in seniority in the Senate (although that rank will rise with the incoming freshmen arriving in January), and it’s doubtful that someone in the bottom third would be named Majority Leader.
Which explains why she would jump at the chance for a position with a higher profile. She’s not my first choice for that position (and I agree we need her in the Senate), but I’m willing to wait and see how she does before condemning her. She’s gotta be better than the SoS we have now.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:14 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
….but I’m willing to wait and see how she does before condemning her. She’s gotta be better than the SoS we have now.
Thank you… It’s nice to see someone left who has faith in Obama and is willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Try going over to HP. You would think the sky is falling. According to them and the “experts”, the Secretary of State can make policy and hire whomever they want. Then Hillary is going to start making hawkish foreign policy and all the minions she has hired will be undermining Obama every chance they get.
The fact is the SOS DOES NOT make policy, the implement the policy the President makes. And if any of you think that Obama is going to sit idly by allowing Hillary to go rogue on him, you have another thought coming. If Hillary wants to keep a job in government, she will do whatever Obama wants her to do, period.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:22 pmI would have liked to see Richardson as SoS, but I think Hillary will do a really good job.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:22 pmThat sucks.
She’s a fricken hawk. She was a cheerleader for the invasion and occupation of Iraq. She’s been saber-rattling toward Iran.
So far the Obama Administration is shaping up to be a bait and switch.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:24 pmHillary will make a wonderful Secretary of State FOR the Obama Administration, IF she accepts.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:31 pmI was really hoping that Richardson was going to be the new SOS.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:32 pmyou forgot to say “hopium”
November 21st, 2008 at 4:32 pmHillary won’t have any more luck in the Middle East than Condi had. She’ll have a harder time finding boots to fit too.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:33 pmI would have preferred Richardson for SOS; he has the experience for that kind of job. Clinton, not so much. Maybe she’ll do a great job and we’ll all be surprised. I trust Obama to have made this choice for very good reasons, and certainly am willing to wait to see how she does in that position. I only hope now that we’ve seen the end of the drama that always accompanies the Clintons. Sick of that!
November 21st, 2008 at 4:33 pmSo many of the anti-Obama comments I’ve been reading her lately remind me of all the advice given to Obama during the campaign about he needed to do this and stop doing that. But, as he said in an interview, they must have been doing something right since they won. I think Obama is a savvy politician who is going to surround himself with strong willed and intelligent people who are going to feel free to voice their varied opinions. I also think Obama is strong enough himself to hold the reins on this team of heavy horses and get his agenda going in the direction he wants and America needs.
Now, that’s my opinion. Others have theirs. Who is right? NONE OF US – he isn’t in office yet and has not made one policy decision. Maybe he knows how to manage the office as well as he managed the campaign. I, for one, want to stay behind him and give him the chance. I also know that NO ONE is going to govern exactly the way I want – no voter is a dictator.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:34 pmI have no doubts about Hillary’s ability and she will bring a stature, if mostly just name recognition, to the job that few others could match. That being said, I’m a little perplexed by her choice. It doesn’t really make a lot of sense for her to take the post.
She could have used her time in the Senate to, virtually, guarantee that she would be the next Democratic nominee for President. As SoS she will be relegated to the status of employee.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:36 pmI love it. Hillary is one of the most spectacularly brilliant people in government. Moreover, I am certain that she will conform to the Obama agenda. This shows real character on Obama’s part. George was much too insecure to appoint anyone who might tell him anything that he didn’t want to hear.
As a NYer I now wonder who Patterson will appoint. Maloney?
November 21st, 2008 at 4:46 pmI think I remember reading someone around here who used to say…. ROTFLMAO!
Not sure who it was though…
November 21st, 2008 at 4:57 pmrhf,
If anyone around here lacks integrity, it’s you.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:02 pmrepublicans hate facts Says
November 21st, 2008 at 4:27 pm
It’s really funny to see the whackjobs like Zooey and Molly now defending Hillary after their hateful, shrill and dishonest dismantling of her reputation during the campaign. What hypocrisy and complete lack of integrity!
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First you call me a c*nt (you called Zooey one, too), and now you are calling us whackjobs. I don’t think we’re the hateful ones here.
I don’t believe I was ever hateful or shrill (a sexist term generally applied to women who express their opinions, by the way) in my criticism of Hillary, nor was I ever dishonest about it. I criticized some of her campaign tactics when I felt such criticism was deserved, as I would criticize anyone who employed dirty tricks. I don’t believe I ever dissed her positions on the issues (with the exception of her championing a gas-tax holiday, which I felt to be a stupid idea), and I never questioned her qualifications, nor have I condemned her personally.
If you think I’m a hypocrite and lack integrity, you are entitled to your opinion. However, there are many posters here who believe that I am fair in my criticism, timely in my praise, and consistent in my positions. And quite frankly, the opinions of those who don’t call me names matter much more to me than the opinions of those who do.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:04 pmDoes Hillary have aspirations to run in 2012 and, if so, does that create a potential conflict of interest?
If she works well with the Obama Administration, she can avoid burning bridges with the Democratic Party, but helps to increase the likelihood that Obama will be running for re-election in 2012.
If she works to sabotage the Obama Administration, she will need to do so in such a manner that she doesn’t leave behind any fingerprints. Should such a strategy succeed, can anyone deny that she would be the clear front-runner in 2012?
In supporting both Lie-berman and Hillary, Obama has demonstrated that he is willing to take enormous risks.
Let’s hope that he doesn’t torpedo his Presidency before it even leaves the launching pad.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:05 pmI happen to be one of the posters misshusseinmolly mentioned…
November 21st, 2008 at 5:06 pmI, too, am one of the posters who thinks highly of misshusseinmolly’s posts. You keep doing what you’re doing, molly. And don’t let the ignorati like rhf discourage you. I come here to see what people like you say, not what people like rhf say. And, for the record, Zooey, like you, is neither hypocritical nor is she lacking in integrity.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:10 pmGeez… I had no idea that RHF was calling missmolly a “whack job”. I mean, I love Zooey to death, but I know she can get in someone’s face if they deserve it, and that can inspire some ugliness in the one who deserves it.
But missmolly…? The nicest, most level-headed and insightful poster here? The Voice of Reason? Calling her a “whack job”? That’s just insane. Or I should say… that’s just RHF.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:11 pmAssuming HRC and BHO play nice together I like the SoS pick. In addition to being extremely bright and capable in her own right, Hillary restores the Clinton brand where it will do the most good — in the international sphere where eight years of Bush left the U.S. reputation in shreds. Bill Clinton was enourmously popular overseas and got closer to sealing the deal between Israel and Palestine than anyone else. Not as sure about Geithner but the fact that he is neither a Harvard Biz School grad nor a Goldman Sachs alum causes me to give him the benefit of the doubt.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:12 pmRHF – Let me chime in on defending Zooey and Molly. You are way off base here.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:16 pmThere’s something really out of whack about someone who attacks female posters almost exclusively, in defense of his female demigod.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:16 pmFor what it is worth misshusseinmolly, while I do not always agree with your posts, I always read them because they are consistently thoughtful and well reasoned. I recall some posters going off on HRC to an unreasonable extreme during the latter stages of the primaries but you were not one of them as I recall.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:18 pmI can’t see Hilary challenging Obama in 2012, like Kennedy challenged Carter, unless Obama proves unequal to the task of of leading the nation. I don’t think that’s gonna happen.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:20 pmralph the wonder llama Says
November 21st, 2008 at 5:20 pm
I can’t see Hilary challenging Obama in 2012, like Kennedy challenged Carter, unless Obama proves unequal to the task of of leading the nation. I don’t think that’s gonna happen.
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I believe if Hillary accepts a job in the Obama administration, she is essentially saying that she is not planning to run again.
If Obama does a good job, it would be folly for her to challenge him four years hence.
If Obama does a terrible job, she would be tainted by the stench just by association (think Hubert Humphrey in 1968).
If she waits until 2016 to run, she will be 69 years old — putting her in a Reagan-Dole-McCain situation. However, if she’s still in great shape, she may be able to overcome the age thing.
Of course, there is a theoretical possibility of Obama not wanting to serve more than one term (although highly unlikely if he does well). If Obama does a great job and then decides not to run again in 2012 for whatever reason, look for Hillary.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:29 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
I can’t see Hilary challenging Obama in 2012, like
Kennedy challenged Carter, unless Obama proves unequal to
the task of of leading the nation. I don’t think that’s
gonna happen.
Unfortunately for Barack Obama, the matter of proving himself equal “to the task of leading the nation” depends, at least in part, on the job that Hillary does as Secretary of State. Therein lies my concern.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:31 pmRichardson is a good choice for Comm. Secy. This is going to be a critical position in the near future.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:38 pmGeithner is a good choice for ST. He’s young, smart, not from Wall Street.
Daschle is a good choice for HHS. He knows how to push the health legislation through the Legislature.
Clinton is a good pick at SoS – she is already known world wide and she will be carefully evaluated — she will also be under the authority of Obama.
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curmudgeon Says:
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ralph the wonder llama Says:
I can’t see Hilary challenging Obama in 2012, like
Kennedy challenged Carter, unless Obama proves unequal to
the task of of leading the nation. I don’t think that’s
gonna happen.
Unfortunately for Barack Obama, the matter of proving himself equal “to the task of leading the nation” depends, at least in part, on the job that Hillary does as Secretary of State. Therein lies my concern.
And also, I suspect Hillary – and Bill – will grant themselves permission to pass judgement on O’s ability as a leader. I wonder what they’ll think?
Seen in that light and that light only, this is a brilliant move by Obama. He has pulled her fangs if she accepts; I don’t see how she can run against an administration she was part of, though if anyone could it would be her.
And Bilbo, I am very afraid of Hillary going Rogue on him. While he has the authority to remove her, removing her against her will would be political nuclear war. I wonder if that is what she has planned already…?
Richardson would have been better.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:43 pmViolence in areas like israel, korea and Ireland were down while Bill Clinton was in office…….Jimmy Carter was heavily involved…..hmm…
November 21st, 2008 at 5:43 pmI sincerely hope that Obama is not in a self-destruct mode.
At present, Democrats maintain a 28-22 edge in governorships.
Napolitano would be replaced with a Republican, reducing the advantage to 27-23.
Richardson’s departure leaves another vacancy in New Mexico, which is not exactly a Dem stronghold.
Although Colorado, North Carolina, and Virginia went for Obama, those states are also more purple than blue, and their current governors are Dems.
Even more worrisome would be the matter of tapping other Democratic governors in states that supported McCain in 2008, potentially reversing the Dems’ advantage in this category.
Consider that the following states currently have Democratic governors: Montana (Schweitzer, a potential cabinet choice?), Wyoming, Kansas (Sebelius, another potential cabinet choice?), Okalahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, and West Virginia.
Does anyone else share this concern?
November 21st, 2008 at 5:46 pmI see that Clinton Derangement Syndrome is rampant around here. Why wouldn’t Obama give the most prestigeous cabinet position to someone who is not only qualified, but got 18 million votes in the primaries. Why wouldn’t he give it to a public figure who already knows many world leaders on a first-name basis? And, why, oh deranged ones, would a thoughtful, intelligent man like Obama ask someone he doesn’t trust to be his most important cabinet officer? That doesn’t make sense so maybe some of you have drawn conclusions based on the magical ability to read minds. Could everyone please keep in mind that the reason many of us automatically ascribe the worst possible motives or reasons to anything a Clinton does has something to do with a 16-year war the elite Washington press establishment has waged on the Clintons?
November 21st, 2008 at 5:47 pmrepublicans hate facts Says
November 21st, 2008 at 5:49 pm
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Fine — prove it. Find a post where I am guilty of your accusations. If you can’t do that, and if you continue to engage in baseless attacks against me, I will start flagging.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:52 pmROTFL. You ROTFL forgot ROTFL to ROTFL say ROTFL “hopium” ROTFL again…
November 21st, 2008 at 5:55 pmYou tell him, misshusseinmolly! I agree wholeheartedly with RTWL’s post at #33 above. You and Zooey have been here a very long time and have always had the respect of the majority of your fellow posters, including me. RHF is just wrong.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:00 pmCan everyone settle down here? Of course Obama’s a moderate. His voting record and stand on issues is almost identical to Hillary’s. But, I don’t think his campaign was any more rough than Hillary’s. What I think happened is the media’s Clinton Derangement Syndrom kicked in and everything the Clintons did was seen through a deranged lense. Gene Robinson, for example, wrote a column in late 07 about how Obama would have an advantage in the Carolinas because of the black vote. Then, he called Bill Clinton a racist in a column for pointing out the same damn thing. That had nothing to do with the Obama campaign.
As far as Obama not being liberal or progressive enough for some of us, please recall that the most progressive presidents in history, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt and FDR, all came to office as moderates.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:00 pm“Republicans hate facts”, just for the sake of argument, why WOULD you refer to someone as a “wackjob” if they had come over to your way of thinking politically? Isn’t it a good thing if people formerly critical of Clinton get on board with the idea that she has a lot to offer the Obama administration?
November 21st, 2008 at 6:02 pmIt might be a waste of time, missmolly. I’ve been flagging before reading for months.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:06 pmRHF, I’m sorry to say that I have just lost any and all respect for you.
Miss Molly, I know it’s a bit early, but how do you like the sound of –
November 21st, 2008 at 6:12 pmMISSMOLLY 2016!!!!!!
You have my scary brown vote!
You are definitely wasting your time, 49Dem. RHF is completely unhinged. Not stupid or necessarily wrong but, totally given over to an abusive hatefulness that can tank any discussion. It’s best to just flag and ignore as a matter of course. Just like any other troll.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:16 pmrhf is off his meds again. :D
November 21st, 2008 at 6:31 pmthat a girl….
November 21st, 2008 at 6:32 pmGood.Maybe now the endless “all Hillary all the time” hype can cease and we can get back to learning whats really important in the Obama administration.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:34 pmcurmudgeon Says:
I sincerely hope that Obama is not in a self-destruct mode.
At present, Democrats maintain a 28-22 edge in governorships.
Napolitano would be replaced with a Republican, reducing the advantage to 27-23.
Richardson’s departure leaves another vacancy in New Mexico, which is not exactly a Dem stronghold.
I’m not sure what the advantage is of having more Democratic governors than Republican other than bragging rights. They don’t vote on anything.
I do think that Napolitano needs to stay in Arizona, though. That Secretary of State who would take her place is one crazy b|tch and it won’t bode well for that state if we want to turn it blue. Plus, she’s the only one who can beat McCain when he runs again for Senator (if he lives long enough).
November 21st, 2008 at 6:48 pmScaryBrownHusseinChick (ThinkOutsideTheBush) Says:
RHF, I’m sorry to say that I have just lost any and all respect for you.
You “just” lost all respect for RHF. Most people lost all respect for it a long time ago. It is a total ranting loon who isn’t worth bothering with other than to flag it.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:52 pmAttacking Zooey and Miss Molly was uncalled for and RHF needs a time out.
November 21st, 2008 at 7:32 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
ScaryBrownHusseinChick (ThinkOutsideTheBush) Says:
RHF, I’m sorry to say that I have just lost any and all respect for you.
You “just” lost all respect for RHF. Most people lost all respect for it a long time ago. It is a total ranting loon who isn’t worth bothering with other than to flag it.
Well, I do try to be a model brown person and give people the benefit of the doubt. But the benefit has hereby been removed!
November 21st, 2008 at 8:39 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
Those meds must really be helping you out, it’s funny for me to know how freaked you really are though! ROTFL!
November 21st, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Wow. Talk about projection. You’re the only psycho who ever experiences the wild ride of emotions you project onto others, rhf. Surely you must understand that by now. Maybe you should run it by your psychiatrist.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:06 pmCase in point.
I didn’t have a clear favorite in the Democratic Primary process but neither Obama or Clinton were my first choice. However, by the time the nomination sorted itself out I felt better about Obama because he displayed an ability to calmly, pragmatically, think on his feet. I remained, and remain to this day, rather ambivalent about Hillary.
Yet somehow, to the mind of a certain madman, I’ve been judged guilty of some crime against the “progressive ideals” I’ve never endorsed or claimed as my own. Specifically, I’ve been accused of some sort of Hillary hating I’ve never indulged in.
How very sad it must be to suffer from a need to make enemies of those who would, normally, be allies. What a wretched way to live?
November 21st, 2008 at 10:16 pmWow a qualified Secretary of State. Let’s see Connie Rice spoke Russian, played the piano and was a friend of the Bush Family. Those were her qualification for the job as Secretary of State. She accomplished nothing, but she did play the piano for Foreign Leaders, delivered messages from Cheney and wore a nice pair of boots.
Hillary Clinton qualifications. Worked for Americans for 40 years, First Lady, two term Senator, on the Foreign Committee, made history by getting 18 million votes in the Primary and ran for President of the United States.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:40 pmUni-Troll here. Uber-Troll, All Trolls to all Progressives, Troll for All Seasons.
Why oh why oh why do you guys even respond to RHF? While I have been accused of working for Government Psy-Ops, RHF almost certainly does. When he is feeling reasonable, he logs in as McMetal.
Flagging is pointless. Ignoring is effective.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:13 pmKeltoi, you’re such a dumbass sometimes.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:14 pmZooey Says:
Keltoi, you’re such a dumbass sometimes.
You wound me, Girlfriend. Only sometimes?
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:18 amIt’s quite simple, Keltoi. I get a certain cruel satisfaction from tweaking the unbalanced minds I encounter on the net. Plus, it makes me feel lucky to be sane.
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:33 ampete Says:
It’s quite simple, Keltoi. I get a certain cruel satisfaction from tweaking the unbalanced minds I encounter on the net. Plus, it makes me feel lucky to be sane.
I can understand both those points. But it is sometimes hard to know if this is an actual debating society or a place where freaks like RHF get to call Zooey and Missmolly names and still be taken seriously.
You and I are a good example. I think of you as being such a righteous Ur-Goldwater Conservative that you have actually warped to the left. It is enough to make me want to put on a Beret, snap my fingers and quote from “The Road”.
But you never insult me. My intellect, my opinions, my political orientation, sure, you insult that all the time. But never me. It is the sign of an enlightened rhetorical warrior.
So it seems to me that when you even acknowledge the likes of RHF, you feed the Beast. And I say that in all my glorious Trollness.
If it is just a hobby….well, everyone needs one.
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:06 amKeltoi, with the troll infestation nearly eradicated by the election results and Bush approval ratings, RHF is one of the very few sources of entertainment left around here these days.
(You don’t really count. You’re reasonable just often enough.)
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:07 amEvening ralph. It is sort of sad. I almost miss the Privacy Center…Maybe Diana9 can tell me about all those hungry people. Where the hell is Tracy_pick a number?
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:17 amRalph! What time zone do you live in? I am hoping PST. I am just waiting for the kids to fall asleep….
ralph the wonder llama Says:
Keltoi, with the troll infestation nearly eradicated by the election results and Bush approval ratings, RHF is one of the very few sources of entertainment left around here these days.
(You don’t really count. You’re reasonable just often enough.)
I resent you questioning my Troll status. It is my niche, dammit, and no furry ungulate is going to deny it me.
Are Llamas ungulates? And why do they always look like they are about to bite you?
RHF was once the most visceral and offensive poster on this blog but in the darkest days of Boosh he was accepted. Then came the Democratic Primary and things got ugly. I won’t lie, I kinda enjoyed watching him turn his mindless, juvenille venom on his supposed fellow travelers, and also enjoyed the slow realization of what a viper you at TP had clung to your breast.
RHF = Worst Troll ever. In fact, an insult to the name of Troll. More like a Goblin.
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:21 amNo, not a Goblin, I take it back, a rhetorical Dung Beetle.
Just keeps ROTFLMAO.
Rolling Ordure To Find Legitimacy Mindlessly Attacking Obama.
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:39 amYes Llamas are ungulates
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:08 amrhf –
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:23 amI think all that rolling knocked a wire loose.
llamas are camelids… can they also be ungulates?
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:44 amFred Says:
(Nevar Says:
Hillary won’t have any more luck in the Middle East than Condi had. She’ll have a harder time finding boots to fit too.)
Violence in areas like israel, korea and Ireland were down while Bill Clinton was in office…….Jimmy Carter was heavily involved…..hmm…
My comment was primarily an (admittedly cheap) shot at RHFacts, at Hillary’s expense, and I apologize to her, and wish for the best should she become Secretary of State.
I’ll allow that President Jimmy Carter has had probably the most success in resolving Israeli/Palestinian issues, and I would say it was during his presidency, and as an independent operator during the Clinton years.
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:57 amI’m also implying that it’s unlikely anyone from the outside will ever resolve the Palestinian issue. They are an occupied people, occupied by a militaristic state that believes they are a chosen people, and can do no wrong. The primary export of the state of Israel is armaments. They flood the world with handguns, compact submachine guns, and who knows what all else. They are a rogue nuclear state, with undeclared nuclear weapons.
Jimmy Carter was not allowed to speak at the 2008 Democratic Natl. Convention for fear of offending the Jewish vote, which Obama needed to win the nomination, and the election. Obama made that choice.
I’m not passing judgment here, I’m just sayin’…
llamas and whales share some common ancestry as well…
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:56 amCamelids are ungulates, I looked it up.
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:06 amwhich very likely where the phylogenetic older sibs of the cetaceans
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:41 amDo whales have an even number of vestigal toe bones?
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:55 amAt least I’ve got the unicorn/narwhal conundrum resolved.
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:13 pmThanks!
;)
Nevar Says:
llamas are camelids… can they also be ungulates?
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Yes its a large order and they are in the same family as Camels which are among their closest relatives
November 22nd, 2008 at 2:55 pmNevar Says:
Do whales have an even number of vestigal toe bones?
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Interesting question, when I have time I will try to look it up
November 22nd, 2008 at 2:58 pmAll I have found seem to indicate they have any number of vestigal fingers, leg bones, etc. Their connection to ungulates must be on a much more basic level, I’ll go look up phylogenetic now….
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:08 pmthis is a recipe for another four, or eight, years of hypocritical international cosmetics, while asians (and africans) die in their millions from bombing both aerial and terrorist, starvation, and disease.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:55 amOkay, boys and girls, the game is over. Remember, we’re all members of the same club and now we’ll all live and sleep together. Is it true that Obama’s favorite song is James Browm’s “I Wanna Be Liked”?
I hope someone can keep Benjamin Netanyahu out of the cabinet.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:01 amMy mistake. “I Wanna Be Liked” was a Sinatra standard.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:06 am