Where did you get that idea?

It may not be attributable directly to USers, but torture is too useful to the military to be abandoned.

You NEVER recapture your lost virginity…

It would be, for the Pukes, a huge waste of this amazing opportunity to have this Big 3 auto crisis, which is designed, if for nothing else, to wipe out the UAW, and then to have enacted a law which made it easier for folks to organize their workplace. No brainer. EFCA is DOA…

ucsbclassics53 Says:
62. I wish some of the Republicans in power today were as reasonable as you on that issue…

They won’t be in power much longer, McFriend.

Besides, McCain would have banned water boarding too.
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That is true, no matter what happened in this election the torture thing was going away. The stain on our national reputation will take much longer to repair.

Eugene,

Statements like this:

People must stop being allowed to say it.

Should send a shiver down every American’s spine, be they left or right.
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No they must stop being allowed to say it unchallenged what kind of fascist are you that you read that and your mind jumped right to thought police and arrests? I read it and immediatly said YEAH, shove those lies right back in their faces.

You have the right to say whatever the hell you want – always, whether someone else calls it a lie or propaganda or whatever. Barring yelling “Fire!” in a movie house (and BTW, can you yell “Movie!” in a fire house?) or similar such things inciting mayhem and violence, you can say what you like.
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It IS a lie at the very least a misrepresentation.

How exactly do we stop people from saying things we think are lies, hmmmmm?
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You challenge them and expose them as lying propagandistic boobs. How simple is that HMMMMMMMMM? NOTHING in what he said included arrest or thought police. Only a fascist would read that and immediatly think the only thing he could be talking about is trashing the first amendment.

Sheesh.

Except that according to the text of the legislation in question, it does not take away the right to secret ballot. This is a question of fact, not opinion. It’s not my view, it’s the text of the legislation itself.

I’m not saying prevent them from saying it, I’m saying call them on it every time. If you say someting contrary to fact, I will call you on it. This comment is a case in point.

That begins to explain why John Boehner is in office. He gets the votes of clowns like that.

What happened to the Ohio educational system?

They won’t be in power much longer, McFriend.

Besides, McCain would have banned water boarding too.

Well I suppose we could start by torturing them…

Very funny.

I am pretty sure torture forces people to spew lies, not the opposite.

Statements like this:

People must stop being allowed to say it.

Should send a shiver down every American’s spine, be they left or right.

You have the right to say whatever the hell you want – always, whether someone else calls it a lie or propaganda or whatever. Barring yelling “Fire!” in a movie house (and BTW, can you yell “Movie!” in a fire house?) or similar such things inciting mayhem and violence, you can say what you like.

If ElBruce thinks its a lie, too bad.

How exactly do we stop people from saying things we think are lies, hmmmmm?

Oh PLEASE tell me that was just a stupid joke. After being so reasonable. Did he say anything about arresting anyone? Are you saying that challenging people and stuffing their lie down their throat is somehow being thought police or has ANYTHING to do with the first amendment? Why do wingnuts jump right to their VAST misunderstanding of what the first amendment is everytime wingnut talking points are criticized? Why do rightwingers think they have some first amendment RIGHT to spew their propaganda and lies with no challenge? Did you really think the first amendment meant the rightwing gets a podium to spew their propaganda and if anyone criticizes them or exposes their lies it is somehow, in a bizarre way discernable only to the congenitally brainwashed, a violation of the first amendment?

People must stop being allowed to say it.

Indeed!

Clap-clap! Thought Police! The First Amendment is abrogated! Arrest those who disagree with ElBruce’s views immediately!

Sheesh.

That is a lie.

People must stop being allowed to say it.

You cannot arrive at a larger truth through watching Hardball.

Amen to that!

But time and again, Tweetie would bait a Republican guest into decrying wealth redistribution and then say “well, does that mean you are against a progressive income tax?”

Pure sophistry, and funny the first time, but somehow he kept trying that trick and seemed to bat almost .500 with it.

The R’s sooo deserved the resounding thrashing they got if they couldn’t explain the fallaciousness of that point.

You cannot arrive at a larger truth through watching Hardball.

-AF
Andrew Sullivan Is A Fraud