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	<title>Comments on: George Will: &#8216;The First New Deal Didn&#8217;t Work&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: ID_Neon</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/23/will-new-deal/comment-page-2/#comment-5374780</link>
		<dc:creator>ID_Neon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That stock market chart is like showing annual average temperatures and saying the New Deal helped the economy because of the temperature changes.

You people have no critical thinking ability what-so-ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That stock market chart is like showing annual average temperatures and saying the New Deal helped the economy because of the temperature changes.</p>
<p>You people have no critical thinking ability what-so-ever.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5374780', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ID_Neon</title>
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		<dc:creator>ID_Neon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s already a historical fact that the New Deal failed to do anything.  Private investment recovered on its own due to a collapse of prices in the markets.

The New Deal had little to no effect on the markets, save new regulatory commissions to help the market be within the law instead of &quot;robber baron capitalism&quot;.

But, through-out all of FDR&#039;s presidency the unemployment rate never dropped below 14%.

It&#039;s disgusting that liberals are trying to revise history, when liberals in the 1960s even exclaimed FDR&#039;s New Deal a failure.

Just as LBJ&#039;s War on Poverty is a failure, his Great Society is a failure.

Just like Obama will be a failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s already a historical fact that the New Deal failed to do anything.  Private investment recovered on its own due to a collapse of prices in the markets.</p>
<p>The New Deal had little to no effect on the markets, save new regulatory commissions to help the market be within the law instead of &#8220;robber baron capitalism&#8221;.</p>
<p>But, through-out all of FDR&#8217;s presidency the unemployment rate never dropped below 14%.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s disgusting that liberals are trying to revise history, when liberals in the 1960s even exclaimed FDR&#8217;s New Deal a failure.</p>
<p>Just as LBJ&#8217;s War on Poverty is a failure, his Great Society is a failure.</p>
<p>Just like Obama will be a failure.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5374776', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: NOLIESPLEASE</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/23/will-new-deal/comment-page-2/#comment-5356276</link>
		<dc:creator>NOLIESPLEASE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Will ....so smart that he&#039;s stupid!!! This is the second week another panel guest made him look like a fool. 

Keep it up ABC. I refuse to watch your show because of the slanted lies. It&#039;s about time the public picks up on this and makes the nessessary changes to there information choices. 

www.zeitgeistmovie.com look for the ADDEMDUM which is the second part to this execellent documentory. Truth will help us understand. 

Mr. Will&#039;s .....we have the nessessary tools to disprove your BS. We can research what you say withiin minuites to see if your are lying or telling the truth. However the truth has been hard to come by for some time now. 

YOU ARE NOT RELEVANT ANYMORE....THAT GOES FOR U2 COOKIE. 

Time to retire. 

Can someone please tell me why all these old farts are the ones doing these shows???? they are out of touch with what is really going on. Doesn&#039;t any retire any more?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Will &#8230;.so smart that he&#8217;s stupid!!! This is the second week another panel guest made him look like a fool. </p>
<p>Keep it up ABC. I refuse to watch your show because of the slanted lies. It&#8217;s about time the public picks up on this and makes the nessessary changes to there information choices. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com</a> look for the ADDEMDUM which is the second part to this execellent documentory. Truth will help us understand. </p>
<p>Mr. Will&#8217;s &#8230;..we have the nessessary tools to disprove your BS. We can research what you say withiin minuites to see if your are lying or telling the truth. However the truth has been hard to come by for some time now. </p>
<p>YOU ARE NOT RELEVANT ANYMORE&#8230;.THAT GOES FOR U2 COOKIE. </p>
<p>Time to retire. </p>
<p>Can someone please tell me why all these old farts are the ones doing these shows???? they are out of touch with what is really going on. Doesn&#8217;t any retire any more?????<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5356276', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: vat694848</title>
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		<dc:creator>vat694848</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why anyone would listen to that bag of wind is puzzling? Why does the first question always go to Will, on the &quot;This Week&quot; show. I have learned to shut the T.V. off on Sunday morning, and take a long walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why anyone would listen to that bag of wind is puzzling? Why does the first question always go to Will, on the &#8220;This Week&#8221; show. I have learned to shut the T.V. off on Sunday morning, and take a long walk.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355808', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jpopphan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/23/will-new-deal/comment-page-2/#comment-5355742</link>
		<dc:creator>jpopphan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FDR was without question the greatest president of the 20th century, and he ranks highly among all presidents as being worthy of respect, remembrance and emulation.

Any &quot;failure&quot; from the New Deal was still more of a success than what the George Will-types of that day would or could ever have accomplished.  My only criticism of the New Deal is that it wasn&#039;t aggressive enough to undo forever the parasitic form of capitalism that drove our economy into the ground then and is doing the same now.

I hope that Obama will take a page from FDR&#039;s playbook and restore the sort of social programs (Work Progress Administration, etc.) that FDR used to put Americans back to work and to help them support their families.

It will take policies like those that brought us out of the Republican Great Depression of 1929 to resolve our current economic woes.  Let&#039;s hope that President Obama is able to get as much cooperation from Congress as he needs to push his agenda and get America back on track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDR was without question the greatest president of the 20th century, and he ranks highly among all presidents as being worthy of respect, remembrance and emulation.</p>
<p>Any &#8220;failure&#8221; from the New Deal was still more of a success than what the George Will-types of that day would or could ever have accomplished.  My only criticism of the New Deal is that it wasn&#8217;t aggressive enough to undo forever the parasitic form of capitalism that drove our economy into the ground then and is doing the same now.</p>
<p>I hope that Obama will take a page from FDR&#8217;s playbook and restore the sort of social programs (Work Progress Administration, etc.) that FDR used to put Americans back to work and to help them support their families.</p>
<p>It will take policies like those that brought us out of the Republican Great Depression of 1929 to resolve our current economic woes.  Let&#8217;s hope that President Obama is able to get as much cooperation from Congress as he needs to push his agenda and get America back on track.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355742', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: nofltwlt</title>
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		<dc:creator>nofltwlt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest that George clear with Paul Krugman any comments regarding financial matters; it will save him a lot of pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest that George clear with Paul Krugman any comments regarding financial matters; it will save him a lot of pain.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355712', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Cal Malenky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cal Malenky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New right wing meme:
The New Deal didn&#039;t end the Depression, WW2 did
therefore
We need a world war to get us out of our current economic mess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New right wing meme:<br />
The New Deal didn&#8217;t end the Depression, WW2 did<br />
therefore<br />
We need a world war to get us out of our current economic mess<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355690', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: wizard2000</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/23/will-new-deal/comment-page-2/#comment-5355624</link>
		<dc:creator>wizard2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as some people say:

Where there&#039;s a Will, there&#039;s a braying jackass...

...who Will bray all the way to the glue factory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as some people say:</p>
<p>Where there&#8217;s a Will, there&#8217;s a braying jackass&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;who Will bray all the way to the glue factory.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355624', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: COProgressive</title>
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		<dc:creator>COProgressive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read Paul Krugman&#039;s book &quot;The Conscience of a Liberal&quot;.  It details the growth of the middle class from the &#039;30 through today.  

We babyboomers have enjoyed the benefits of all the liberal values that were born in the New Deal.  It was the years of the Robber Barons and their greed that put our country into the Great Depression then, and it&#039;s the greed of the oligarchs today that has run our country into a ditch very much as what was done in the years leading up to the Great Depression.

I don&#039;t know what you think, but I was raised to believe that while we are here it is our duty to leave the world a better place that it was when we arrived.  I was able to succeed based on the help and work of those that fought for the equality, education, and the respect for the work of every man and woman and the belief that as I was better off than my parents, my kids and grandkids should be better off than I.

We&#039;ve lost that here in America.  Maybe it&#039;s Globalization, where the value of one&#039;s work is being compared with workers around the world, or maybe it all the cheap crap coming in that we are buying up and consuming.

Either way, I worry about what kind of future and opportunities my kids and grandkids will have.

How about getting back to the New Deal or creating a New New Deal?

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;If you&#039;re in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent.&quot; Warrren Buffet  &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read Paul Krugman&#8217;s book &#8220;The Conscience of a Liberal&#8221;.  It details the growth of the middle class from the &#8216;30 through today.  </p>
<p>We babyboomers have enjoyed the benefits of all the liberal values that were born in the New Deal.  It was the years of the Robber Barons and their greed that put our country into the Great Depression then, and it&#8217;s the greed of the oligarchs today that has run our country into a ditch very much as what was done in the years leading up to the Great Depression.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what you think, but I was raised to believe that while we are here it is our duty to leave the world a better place that it was when we arrived.  I was able to succeed based on the help and work of those that fought for the equality, education, and the respect for the work of every man and woman and the belief that as I was better off than my parents, my kids and grandkids should be better off than I.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve lost that here in America.  Maybe it&#8217;s Globalization, where the value of one&#8217;s work is being compared with workers around the world, or maybe it all the cheap crap coming in that we are buying up and consuming.</p>
<p>Either way, I worry about what kind of future and opportunities my kids and grandkids will have.</p>
<p>How about getting back to the New Deal or creating a New New Deal?</p>
<p><em><strong>&#8220;If you&#8217;re in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent.&#8221; Warrren Buffet  </strong></em><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355620', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: COProgressive</title>
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		<dc:creator>COProgressive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Keltoi at Night Says: 
Creeping Socialism is not an entirely invalid concept&lt;/em&gt;

Which begs the question, what&#039;s worse, creeping socialism where we all have a hand in making live better for everyone, or creeping oligarchy, where we all have to suffer for the benefit of a few?

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;There&#039;s class warfare, all right, but it&#039;s my class, the rich class, that&#039;s making war, and we&#039;re winning.&quot; Warren Buffet &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Keltoi at Night Says:<br />
Creeping Socialism is not an entirely invalid concept</em></p>
<p>Which begs the question, what&#8217;s worse, creeping socialism where we all have a hand in making live better for everyone, or creeping oligarchy, where we all have to suffer for the benefit of a few?</p>
<p><em><strong>&#8220;There&#8217;s class warfare, all right, but it&#8217;s my class, the rich class, that&#8217;s making war, and we&#8217;re winning.&#8221; Warren Buffet </strong></em><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355614', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: kasinca</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Will is another of the liars who is saying that we are center right and now he is repeating the old mantra that the New Deal was bad and did not work.  That would be fine if they could admit also that Reaganomics, deregulation, and trickle down, supply economics is the reason for the most recent crash and economic disaster.  The conservatives must lie to themselves.  They must rewrite history because facts and reality are not friendly to them.  The sooner they can accept the fact that they were wrong and now they are insignificant, the sooner they can begin the healing process.  Conservatism is dead, it did not work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Will is another of the liars who is saying that we are center right and now he is repeating the old mantra that the New Deal was bad and did not work.  That would be fine if they could admit also that Reaganomics, deregulation, and trickle down, supply economics is the reason for the most recent crash and economic disaster.  The conservatives must lie to themselves.  They must rewrite history because facts and reality are not friendly to them.  The sooner they can accept the fact that they were wrong and now they are insignificant, the sooner they can begin the healing process.  Conservatism is dead, it did not work.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355606', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DickTater</title>
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		<dc:creator>DickTater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point has been made that it is no use arguing with these propaganda machines, and I agree, but here goes anyways.

George Will,  only a rightwinger and richboy could sit and argue with what FDR did. People were hurting, out of work, some even selling their kids or abandoning them with richer folk hoping someone else could provide for them even if they could not. Who cares if you think the books could have looked better, FDR helped people.
His policies were a damn sight better than the rich-republican policies that GOT US in the mess to begin with. And they were better than anything the republicans came up with for 3 years after the crash before FDR got installed.

Obviously, George Will would complain if you hung him with a golden rope.

Another thing....WWII almost bankrupted America. It didn&#039;t save us economically. All that spending on equipment that was basically WORTHLESS to our economy once the war was over. THe fact that the whole world was shot-up...and most of the other economies were destroyed or crippled.... That allowed us to take advantage of our new position.
And we used our NewDeal/WWII manufacturing prowess in the AFTERMATH of WWII that was so beneficial to our economy. WWII managed to kill off a large chunk of our population. Many, many more were crippled and in need of extra help. The GI bill for returning Vets was a great boon to the economy and middle class living conditions.

So, the War? It sure was a milestone, no getting around it&#039;s effects. But a creator of wealth? No. Lots of things changed, lots of the future was altered by the War...but did WWII end the depression? How? Where did the WAR put 10k in every families purse, or how did the WAR suddenly make poor people healthy and wealthy? It prob. made some war profiteers wealthy. And it altered the landscape. But it did not put dollars in avg. americans pocket. It did not put a chicken in any pot. In fact, americans were scrimping and saving and rationing and tightening belts, and doing without the men of the family and getting their men killed and coming home crippled. So much of what we built and sweated for in that war ended up on a sea bottom or a shell crater...the War did not create prosperity or fix our fiscal problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point has been made that it is no use arguing with these propaganda machines, and I agree, but here goes anyways.</p>
<p>George Will,  only a rightwinger and richboy could sit and argue with what FDR did. People were hurting, out of work, some even selling their kids or abandoning them with richer folk hoping someone else could provide for them even if they could not. Who cares if you think the books could have looked better, FDR helped people.<br />
His policies were a damn sight better than the rich-republican policies that GOT US in the mess to begin with. And they were better than anything the republicans came up with for 3 years after the crash before FDR got installed.</p>
<p>Obviously, George Will would complain if you hung him with a golden rope.</p>
<p>Another thing&#8230;.WWII almost bankrupted America. It didn&#8217;t save us economically. All that spending on equipment that was basically WORTHLESS to our economy once the war was over. THe fact that the whole world was shot-up&#8230;and most of the other economies were destroyed or crippled&#8230;. That allowed us to take advantage of our new position.<br />
And we used our NewDeal/WWII manufacturing prowess in the AFTERMATH of WWII that was so beneficial to our economy. WWII managed to kill off a large chunk of our population. Many, many more were crippled and in need of extra help. The GI bill for returning Vets was a great boon to the economy and middle class living conditions.</p>
<p>So, the War? It sure was a milestone, no getting around it&#8217;s effects. But a creator of wealth? No. Lots of things changed, lots of the future was altered by the War&#8230;but did WWII end the depression? How? Where did the WAR put 10k in every families purse, or how did the WAR suddenly make poor people healthy and wealthy? It prob. made some war profiteers wealthy. And it altered the landscape. But it did not put dollars in avg. americans pocket. It did not put a chicken in any pot. In fact, americans were scrimping and saving and rationing and tightening belts, and doing without the men of the family and getting their men killed and coming home crippled. So much of what we built and sweated for in that war ended up on a sea bottom or a shell crater&#8230;the War did not create prosperity or fix our fiscal problems.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355588', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: questioneverything</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Will believes there should be no minimum wage. Why is he still on TV? Why do we care what he says? Regular people don&#039;t matter--only very rich people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Will believes there should be no minimum wage. Why is he still on TV? Why do we care what he says? Regular people don&#8217;t matter&#8211;only very rich people.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355574', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Anacher Forester</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/23/will-new-deal/comment-page-2/#comment-5355550</link>
		<dc:creator>Anacher Forester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, the first New Deal didn&#039;t work. Millions never regained their lost jobs thus they failed to qualify for Social Security. The Tennessee Valley Authority never got beyond initial construction. The SEC was a fraud (OK, hold off on that one). The economy never recovered. We lost The War too.

Really, George, I expected you to have a far better memory. Then again I thought for sure you were an original member of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Right_(United_States)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Old Right&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;strong&gt;-AF&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://sullyisafraud.blogspot&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrew Sullivan Is A Fraud&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, the first New Deal didn&#8217;t work. Millions never regained their lost jobs thus they failed to qualify for Social Security. The Tennessee Valley Authority never got beyond initial construction. The SEC was a fraud (OK, hold off on that one). The economy never recovered. We lost The War too.</p>
<p>Really, George, I expected you to have a far better memory. Then again I thought for sure you were an original member of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Right_(United_States)" rel="nofollow">Old Right</a>.</p>
<p><strong>-AF</strong><br />
<a href="http://sullyisafraud.blogspot" rel="nofollow">Andrew Sullivan Is A Fraud</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355550', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: barfly</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/23/will-new-deal/comment-page-2/#comment-5355498</link>
		<dc:creator>barfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keltoi:

&lt;em&gt;Aha! So now signing statements are good! Proving the truth of my post at 39.&lt;/em&gt;

A tool is neither good nor bad.  It&#039;s the tool&#039;s wielder (or non-wielder, depending upon circumstance) who must have conscience.

This had been a previously unexploited gray area in presidential perogative for some time.  If this proves to be a presidential overreach, it will take more than one administration to do so.  We must have a democratic calibration. We now know how far wrong one can go; we&#039;ll have to wait and see if the use of signing statements is a bad idea, or simply one mis-used by a single president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keltoi:</p>
<p><em>Aha! So now signing statements are good! Proving the truth of my post at 39.</em></p>
<p>A tool is neither good nor bad.  It&#8217;s the tool&#8217;s wielder (or non-wielder, depending upon circumstance) who must have conscience.</p>
<p>This had been a previously unexploited gray area in presidential perogative for some time.  If this proves to be a presidential overreach, it will take more than one administration to do so.  We must have a democratic calibration. We now know how far wrong one can go; we&#8217;ll have to wait and see if the use of signing statements is a bad idea, or simply one mis-used by a single president.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355498', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/23/will-new-deal/comment-page-2/#comment-5355494</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that I think is very important:

Noam Chomsky said in 1995:  &quot;In the early 1970s, about 90% of capital in international exchanges was for investment and trade, 10% for speculation. By 1990, those figures had reversed, and a 1993 estimate is that only 5% is related to &quot;real economic transactions&quot; (Wilfried Guth of the Deutsche Bank, who argues further that these processes are undermining free trade, as do others).&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I think is very important:</p>
<p>Noam Chomsky said in 1995:  &#8220;In the early 1970s, about 90% of capital in international exchanges was for investment and trade, 10% for speculation. By 1990, those figures had reversed, and a 1993 estimate is that only 5% is related to &#8220;real economic transactions&#8221; (Wilfried Guth of the Deutsche Bank, who argues further that these processes are undermining free trade, as do others).&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355494', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/23/will-new-deal/comment-page-2/#comment-5355492</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, I expect only one thing from Obama. I expect him to make logical, reasoned, decisions based on real world events. Something his predecessor has rarely, if ever, done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I expect only one thing from Obama. I expect him to make logical, reasoned, decisions based on real world events. Something his predecessor has rarely, if ever, done.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355492', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: WaltTheMan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/23/will-new-deal/comment-page-2/#comment-5355490</link>
		<dc:creator>WaltTheMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;one month&#039; s/b &#039;ten months&#039;, sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;one month&#8217; s/b &#8216;ten months&#8217;, sorry.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355490', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: WaltTheMan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/23/will-new-deal/comment-page-2/#comment-5355488</link>
		<dc:creator>WaltTheMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FDR was president for 12 years one month, one week and one day. What transpired in that short period is an inspiration to all Americans who witnessed it. The last seven years one month, 3 days, 6 hours and 38 minutes have been a travesty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDR was president for 12 years one month, one week and one day. What transpired in that short period is an inspiration to all Americans who witnessed it. The last seven years one month, 3 days, 6 hours and 38 minutes have been a travesty!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355488', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: barfly</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/23/will-new-deal/comment-page-2/#comment-5355486</link>
		<dc:creator>barfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keltoi:

&lt;em&gt;Would not Congress have to approve any such? Or is this something that could be done by Executive Order? And can you regulate pork out of spending bills?&lt;/em&gt;

Congress would use CBO scoring to determine what is appropriate, to, well, &lt;em&gt;appropriate&lt;/em&gt;, while the President would rely on OMB numbers.  If the OMB&#039;s (highly-subjective, in the past administration) estimates are substantially lower, the administration would have his congressional surrogates soon trumpeting his case on C-Span.

In this climate, opponents would be on the political hot-seat, to make a stronger case for increased spending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keltoi:</p>
<p><em>Would not Congress have to approve any such? Or is this something that could be done by Executive Order? And can you regulate pork out of spending bills?</em></p>
<p>Congress would use CBO scoring to determine what is appropriate, to, well, <em>appropriate</em>, while the President would rely on OMB numbers.  If the OMB&#8217;s (highly-subjective, in the past administration) estimates are substantially lower, the administration would have his congressional surrogates soon trumpeting his case on C-Span.</p>
<p>In this climate, opponents would be on the political hot-seat, to make a stronger case for increased spending.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5355486', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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