Beck: States should secede from America to protest bailouts.
Beck: States should secede from America to protest bailouts.
Today on his radio show, conservative talker and future Fox News personality Glenn Beck suggested that states should “secede” from the union to protest the recent string of Wall Street bailouts:
BECK: So the question is, do states have the right to secede anymore? Because it was a compact. It’s not perpetual. In fact, in the Declaration of Independence it says it is our right, it is our responsibility to get away from a government who doesn’t listen to us any more.
Do you even have a right to do that as a state any more? Do you have the right to say, “You know what, you guys are going down a path that I don’t even agree with”? Is that even possible?
Listen here:
Apparently, Beck was serious when he previously declared, “This is America: love it or leave it!” We just didn’t realize he was going to take part of the country with him when he left.
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Somebody send him a 5th-grade textbook on a certain little fracas we had to resolve that question. It was called the Civil War, I believe.
November 25th, 2008 at 4:50 pmBECK: So the question is, do states have the right to secede anymore?
– - Beck can’t seem to decide if Obama is going to be another FDR or Abraham Lincoln.
November 25th, 2008 at 4:52 pmBailouts are the price we pay for tax cuts.
November 25th, 2008 at 4:57 pmBailouts are the price we pay for GOP de-regulation. Chickens guarding hen houses, stuff like that.
November 25th, 2008 at 4:58 pmGosh. Beck really IS as stupid as he seems.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:01 pmHi ralph.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:04 pmThere really is no end to Beck’s stupidity. I assume he’s talking to “red” states, most of which are net-negative welfare states with the federal government.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:04 pmI’m no lawyer, but I play one on the WorldWideWeb. So, it’s my understanding the the Decelaration of Independence has no standing in constional law. In short Mr. Beck, that document does not give states the right to leave the Union.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:04 pmReichwingers certainly like to talk and bloviate, but cannot be counted to actually do anything meaningful. Like taking steps towards the secession they like talking about so much, let alone fighting in their own stupid wars.
All bark, no bite. That’s a reichwinger for ya…
November 25th, 2008 at 5:06 pmIt may be time to question whether Beck is actually unbalanced enough to constitute a danger to himself or others.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:12 pmMemo to Beck: Bob Roth is correct. The Declaration confers no right to secede. We decided this about 150 years ago by butchering eachother for a few years and killing off hundreds of thousands of our boys. Put the Oxycontin jar down and back away slowly.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:13 pmDeclaring independence, as we did on July 4, 1776, is something we felt we had a fundamental right to do at that time. However, we didn’t succeed in doing so without a fight.
If any state wants to take Beck at his word and declare their independence from the USA, they can certainly do so, but the result will probably be the same. Look at South Carolina in 1861 as an example.
I doubt there are too many state legislatures in this country who will listen to Beck, slap their foreheads collectively, and say — “Wow, what a great idea! Let’s do it!”
November 25th, 2008 at 5:14 pmI don’t know for sure but I suspect if you take your Republican friends and head on up to Alaska we might just let you leeches cut yourselves loose.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:16 pmI say they should take some of their fatcat donors and go buy themselves a modest chunk of South America. I hear there’s been some vacant Guyana real estate sitting around for a couple of decades that could use a new occupant.
Then they could start their dream nation: no civil government, maximized military government, maximal income disparity, completely unregulated markets, unitary executive theory, state mandated religion, and the free ability of the military to wiretap, detain and torture terrorists on suspicion. Then everything would be great and they’d have the perfect country they’ve always wanted!
Oh wait – South America already had that. How’d that work out again?
November 25th, 2008 at 5:17 pmJebus. What a marooon.
Hey, Glen: This is America – LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!!
*Whew* – that felt good!! ;o)
November 25th, 2008 at 5:21 pmI know the guy’s got hours to fill, but this is a bit much, no? Are the folks listening to this really thinking–”dang, thart there’s a good’un, Glenn! Hayup!” Secession–what a clown.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:23 pmGlenn Beck: An openly proud believer in being a Traitor.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:24 pmThere was considerable talk of McSame throwing Caribou Barbie “Under the bus” throughout the final days of the campaign. Its unfortunate that Beck wasn’t thrown under a bus at the same time.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:24 pmSpeaking as a Native American:
America: Love It or Give It Back!
November 25th, 2008 at 5:25 pmI think Glenn is onto something. I live in New Canada and my state usually is #49 or #50 in terms of return for tax monies sent to DC.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:25 pmIt would be great to no longer have to support the backward folks in New Crackerville who’ve been rolling like welfare queens in their monster trucks!
Seems kind of unpatriotic if you ask me. I mean, he’d be the first to say we’re still in a “state of war”. Only now, he’s recommending desertion. I’m so sick of these ‘cut-n-run’ sunshine patriots.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:26 pmThe Alaskan Independence Party must be tickled… although maybe not as tickled as the Russian professor who says that the U.S. will break up into 6 parts after our current economic crisis ceases…
November 25th, 2008 at 5:31 pmdo states have the right to secede anymore?
Having lived in SC, I’m like ElBruce i n#1 – something about Fort Sumter and some serious discussions about succession.
I might say that the North “won” the war, but does that really answer if constitutionally a state can leave ?
Not to mention, I believe there is a move among some Alaskans to form a new country.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:34 pmIsn’t that sedition?
November 25th, 2008 at 5:38 pmWhat an idiot.
Has Michele Bachman called for an investigation to determine whether Glenn Beck is unAmerican?
November 25th, 2008 at 5:41 pmWho cares what the repuke hacks have to say? They are the ones who got this country into this mess to begin with!
November 25th, 2008 at 5:46 pmThe Right Wing is losing their minds en masse and it’s a beautiful thing to watch(and hilarious). The party of no ideas needs to accept the fact that they are also the party of no power. Their support of Bush Co. for 8 years and the fallout will mean they won’t see any real power for years, and the smart Republicans know it. All this nonsense from the Ringt Wing blowhards is just proof of the state of panic they’re in.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:55 pmI’m really looking forward to all the right wing pundits, Fox “news” and Republicans attacking Beck for being anti-American & a traitor for his comments. I mean, really, you can’t get much more unpatriotic than saying states should withdraw from the country. And if Beck himself carries through & leaves the U.S., please send him to Mexico; we don’t want him in Canada.
November 25th, 2008 at 5:56 pmTypical Neocon idiocy/insanity, love the country so much that they encourage its dissolution. I’m just completely unable to understand exactly why his sponsors are wasting their money on this. Technically I believe that makes them co-conspirators in treason. Hmmm, perhaps actionable sometime after 1/20/2008??? One can only hope.
Impeach, while There’s Still Time!
November 25th, 2008 at 6:00 pmBeck:
November 25th, 2008 at 6:04 pmNo, states don’t have that right.
You are a moron.
BECK: So the question is, do states have the right to secede anymore? Because it was a compact. It’s not perpetual. In fact, in the Declaration of Independence it says it is our right, it is our responsibility to get away from a government who doesn’t listen to us any more.
Actually, the Declaration of Independence says we have a moral obligation to overthrow that government. Is that what you’re suggesting, Mr. Beck?
November 25th, 2008 at 6:06 pmWhich state does Beck want? If the people in the state he chooses will go along with it, why not. We can then build a fence to prevent cross-border pollution.
Truth told, Beck may need to buy an island and invite like-minded citizens to join him there because I doubt there are that many crazy SOB’s in any state ready to follow leader Beck. For my part, I’d be happy if he was somewhere else — make that anywhere else.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:08 pmSo do we get to say what parts we all would like to see go I for one vote Utah off the island
November 25th, 2008 at 6:11 pmMaybe Beck had something like this in mind.
And much, much more.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:13 pmSo, let’s see… 150 years after its founding, the party of Abraham Lincoln finds its core support among white men in the deep south and they are talking about secession. Just carrying on the proud party tradition.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:13 pmOdd fact: Glen Beck is the reason why we have the work “punk.”
November 25th, 2008 at 6:21 pmWow, these guys go from being uber-patriotic one minute to secessionist traitors the next.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:25 pmI bet the dumbass is a big proponent of the Pledge of Allegiance. He just forgets the “indivisible” part.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:30 pmDo states have the right to secede? I would point Glenn Beck to the Civil War for the answer to that question.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:31 pmHow unpatriotic, somebody take his flag lapel pin, made in china, away.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:33 pmOk beck, YOU go first,we’ll all be along later..deal? The hot air from his show would heat limbaugh’s ’safe’ room.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:36 pmActually as a born ‘n bred Cascadian, I really wouldn’t mind splitting up the U.S. so much. We gots all the good beer, coffee and computer software up here. And hardly any wingnuts to be found. The rest of y’all are kind of a pain anyways.
But if California begs us enough, we’d be willing to take that Northern chunk off their hands.
November 25th, 2008 at 6:38 pm.
So, Glenn Beck supports seceding from America?
… Talk about putting Country first!
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November 25th, 2008 at 6:42 pmBeck should move to Alaska where he can live with fellow racist, gun lover, and secessinist, Sarah Palin.
November 25th, 2008 at 7:05 pmWho will be the first rightwinger to accuse this dirt bag of being un-patriotic?
crickets…..
November 25th, 2008 at 7:06 pmPut Beck and all the ReichWingers that want to go and put them on boats and give them a map to nowhere….laters…see ya later…good luck…we’ll be following you…don’t you worry….
Sorta like the ship full of people that were useless were sent off into space…except didn’t the orginal planet blow up?
November 25th, 2008 at 7:06 pmWhy does Glenn Beck hate America?
November 25th, 2008 at 7:07 pmSo the politicians go down a path he doesn’t agree with and he can’t deal with it so he wants to leave.
The Cowardly Lion, ladies and gentlemen!
November 25th, 2008 at 7:30 pmOh and this is just the kind of mind to help lead a fledgling new nation: little grasp of history, shifting loyalty, ephemeral.
November 25th, 2008 at 7:33 pmRobt Kaplan wrote a whole book on this subject, with his rational that dividing into four regional states nearly inevitable. If you accept first premises, you can follow his logic fairly easily. I think it was:An Empire Wilderness: Travels into America’s Future. He did not see devolution as bad, but better representation and wellbeing for the regions.
Highly unlikely to happen. Most of us are still Americans first.
November 25th, 2008 at 7:34 pmDon’t you think that if Liberals would have been making the argument to secede because of the misdeeds of GWB wingers would be making the argument that this is a seditious act?
November 25th, 2008 at 7:46 pmMany of those who oppose any form of bailout would later ask why our leaders did nothing if we all ended up begging in food lines. We are in one heck of a quandary and Beck offers civil war as a solution.
November 25th, 2008 at 7:46 pmI am okay with them seceding as long as they take the debt Reagan and Bush have built up with them.
November 25th, 2008 at 8:16 pm1 word:
TREASON
November 25th, 2008 at 8:24 pmThis country was founded on a group of people seceeding from a nation and was originally, and always should be a voluntary union of states.The states originally were meant to run themselves domestically, and the federal government was meant to be a TOOL of the states. Instead we have the tail wagging the dog.
What justification is might makes right? Doesn’t the mentality that a states’ forced participation in a union, suggest grounds for a reason to leave an organization in and of itself? Who among you would like to be a member to a club who is forced to pay dues and never to leave? This is not about party politics.
The federal government grows regardless of party, and nothing ever gets done. Programs grow. Spending grows and more money leaves your pocket. There will be no reconcilliation between conservatives or liberals. Not now, not ever. If you think so, then you are deluding yourself. One thing both sides believe in is that they know how to run your life better than you. From a distant location. If you think your voted representatives serve the people once they get to DC, then I have a spaceship to sell you.
To be an independent state seceeding from the Union, isn’t an act of treason. It’s being an American in its truest form, by choosing to vote with your feet. It doesn’t have to be permanent. Someday states can return if they so choose. On their terms.
Sometimes you have to go away to come back.
November 25th, 2008 at 9:04 pmIt’s hilarious to watch these flag-waving America-can-do-no-wrongers turn into secessionist America-can-do-no-righters overnight.
Amazing what a Democratic President-elect can do to their “patriotism”.
November 25th, 2008 at 9:06 pmPoint by point…
This country was founded on a group of people seceeding from a nation and was originally, and always should be a voluntary union of states.The states originally were meant to run themselves domestically, and the federal government was meant to be a TOOL of the states. Instead we have the tail wagging the dog.
For the first decade or so, the U.S. was in fact set up as a confederacy of states. However, that failed, so they actually scrapped that copy of the constition and started a new one. Federalism =/= confederacy. Guess which one has survived? Guess why?
What justification is might makes right? Doesn’t the mentality that a states’ forced participation in a union, suggest grounds for a reason to leave an organization in and of itself? Who among you would like to be a member to a club who is forced to pay dues and never to leave? This is not about party politics.
You want to leave? Move. States are not individuals, with individual rights. The rights allowed to states are whatever the federal government doesn’t take for itself, per the 10th Amendment. Leftovers. If that’s not enough for you, then you’ll need to actually remove your individual domicile from the geographic borders of the U.S.A. and place it somewhere else. You don’t get to take your state with you.
The federal government grows regardless of party, and nothing ever gets done. Programs grow. Spending grows and more money leaves your pocket. There will be no reconcilliation between conservatives or liberals. Not now, not ever. If you think so, then you are deluding yourself. One thing both sides believe in is that they know how to run your life better than you. From a distant location. If you think your voted representatives serve the people once they get to DC, then I have a spaceship to sell you.
I agree with you on a lot of these points, but that’s a red herring. There are better ways of dealing with the one-way growth of government than ripping it apart by populace and demography.
To be an independent state seceeding from the Union, isn’t an act of treason. It’s being an American in its truest form, by choosing to vote with your feet.
If you’re voting with your feet, then actually use them to physically leave the land area that you’re on. Emigrate. You don’t get to take the land under your feet with you. That’s not using your feet.
Here’s the rub: what if some of the people in your state don’t want to secede? Do you have the right to force them? No, you do not. The U.S. Constitution guarantees their individual rights. By attempting to take them from out of its jurisdiction, you threaten their rights.
If you don’t want to be a part of the U.S. government, you actually have to physically move your individual self off of the plot of land you are sitting your fat ass on, and move said fat ass to another country. You do not get to take the land under you, with you. That’s not “moving.”
November 25th, 2008 at 9:38 pmAh, I see Senator Beck’s anti-depressants are starting to adapt to his crazed bipolar cellular biology. Then again, it says something…in a full circle ironic sense…that he’s ready to live on the “reservation” than in America the Beautiful.
He’s just mouthing off to get people to see his one-night only Christmas horror-bore story in movie theatres. I saw the ad before Quantum of Solace played about Beck’s “change” on a X-Mas night from booze and drugs way back to how he is now. I’d rather put real nails from a nailgun into my forearms and chest than see any movie with Glenn Beck in it…ever!
November 25th, 2008 at 10:13 pmLegally, every citizen of the United States is born with dual citizenship. S/he is a citizen of the State in which s/he is born, as well as a citizen of the United States.
Should a State secede from the Union, every United States Citizen within that State would be deprived of his/her citizenship rights as a citizen of the United States.
We already fought one Civil War over this, and now the Reich Wing is advocating another. A secessionist movement is, defacto, treasonist against the United States.
Don’t you find it rather ironic that the husband of a candidate for Vice President of the United States was part of such a treasonist movement???
November 25th, 2008 at 10:28 pmI can not fathom the idiocy of that statement Beck made, and I never watch his show, let alone any commercials he gets on tv for it. Can’t stand the stupid. But if they want to do something like that, they do not deserve one piece of this country that others have fought and died for in the past (or present). And since they seem to feel like they have a shit-ton of money and religious ideology they must defend, let them buy some of that land down in Paraguay (where Bush did) with it. Be all cozy and neighbor-like with their idiotic “rich white men rule” bs. I would not miss any of them one bit.
November 25th, 2008 at 11:20 pmThis is treason.
It’s advocating the destruction of the United States of America.
But Glenn s immune, because he sits in ne of the sacrosanct holy boxes, the teevee studio.
The interesting thing is, when liberals get really upset, they talk about moving to Canada, or Europe, or New Zealand.
November 25th, 2008 at 11:39 pmWhere do the wingnuts have to go to?
Paraguay?
Latveria?
November 25th, 2008 at 11:40 pmAnd Bush would be DR. DOOM?
November 26th, 2008 at 12:05 amAs much as I’d welcome a U.S. without Glenn Beck in it, somehow I don’t think he’s actually going to follow through with his stated offer to leave it.
The appropriate response to this is, every time he’s introduced on any show for any reason, it can be as “and now, here’s outspoken secessionist, Glenn Beck.”
Somehow I don’t think that’s going to happen either.
November 26th, 2008 at 12:53 amGlenn Beck should stop trying to juggle those knives and buzzsaws, since he lost his legs to stand on three weeks back because of them.
I don’t think anyone from the left (maybe an anonymous contribution or five from Connecticut) will be giving to the Obama Wars right wing radio host veterans fund.
November 26th, 2008 at 1:52 amPlease, Glenn Beck, secede from the Union. You’ve already seceded from humanity.
November 26th, 2008 at 3:19 amAs it happens, just this week a noted professor of psychological warfare in Moscow (I kid you not) “predicted that the US will break up into six parts — the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.” He even suggested that “we could claim Alaska — it was only granted on lease, after all.”
November 26th, 2008 at 3:31 amhttp://en.rian.ru/world/20081124/118512713.html
I recently read somewhere, sorry, no source, that Texas does have a legal right to extract itself fro the US per se, because it joined the union by a treaty. Sounds logical. How bout them Cowboys? Take TO and go.
November 26th, 2008 at 6:19 amIf Glenn Beck is agitating for secession, then maybe the GOP was running the wrong Palin? Maybe the GOP should start courting Todd Palin and his AIP buddies ~ seems like a perfect match to me.
November 26th, 2008 at 7:40 amThe last time anyone suggested that states disagreeing with Federal policies should secede, we had the most bloody and destructive war on our own soil – a war that still affects us today. The memories of the battles, where brother fought brother, are still fresh for those of us who are surrounded by remembrances of the war. Most of us look back on the Civil War with memories of pain and suffering of our ancestors. I have no idea why Beck doesn’t share those memories or even recognize the importance of that conflict.
So, no, Glenn. States cannot secede from the Union. Here’s a novel idea: how about being a grown-up and participate in the political system like the rest of us do. Fight for the issues you believe in, like the rest of us do. Suffer the same disappointments that the rest of us suffer when the issues we support are neglected, abused or ignored by others in power.
What a whiner!!! I still don’t understand how this man was ever offered a place on talk radio, let alone cable television. I know that he will be very happy at Faux News. No real news outlet would ever have Beck as a face on their network.
November 26th, 2008 at 9:09 amWhy doesn’t Beck just secede from society at large? I mean he seems only steps away from moving to a remote cabin in the mountains and firing up the manual typewriter to bang out the manifesto he’s had on the back burner for so long.
November 26th, 2008 at 9:59 amI don’t understand? I get why we all frustrated with Glenn Beck, but why are we not outraged at the theft of our money? Why are we defending the indefensible?
November 26th, 2008 at 2:04 pmBeck is a nitwit, but these bailouts are open, epic corruption that demands serious action.
November 27th, 2008 at 1:01 amConstitutional silence does not disprove secession.
By passing laws that violate the Constitution such as gun laws, Patriot Act and numerous executive orders, then it could reasonably be considered breach of contract and grounds for secession.
It is unamerican not to hold the federal government accountable for its corruption. Where is the indignation? Are we so mesmerized by our blackberries that we won’t get out and hold these crooks accountable? Raise your hands if you don’t think we are getting shafted by the privately owned Federal Reserve with the full approval of the federal government. We don’t elect the Federal Reserve Chairman. They are not accountable to the American people any more than Federal Express is.
Read up on your founding fathers, they warned us about these issues we face today. If you won’t hold government accountable it will do whatever it pleases, and it is.
To bicker between party lines is distracting to the real issues and the political elite know it and use it to their advantage. Obama is human just like all the Presidents that came before him. Only time will tell if he upholds our rights or tries to test the limits of our Constitution like so many before him have, Rep. and Dem. alike.
The Constitution is the only thing we have to protect ourselves. Never be afraid to defend it, even if that means threatening secession. This is not a popularity contest, we are not in high school anymore. A political party will not protect your rights, only We The People in defense of the Constitution can do that.
November 27th, 2008 at 1:05 amHere – Here, Mae. The left is the left and the right is the right. I do not expect to convince either side to agree no matter which side I am trying to represent. And at this point in time it does not matter. These people that are supposedly representing us are failing miserably, much to OUR expense…literally. We are fast becoming a third world country. The Federal Reserve is NOT connected to the federal government in any way. It is several banks that also have NO oversight and some foreign owned. The Eastern countries and Europe now own our debt and next Monday it will get worse. They OWN our economic future and it was the power and greed of our government that has brought us to this time. If we are able to have another election we should invoke our own term limits by voting OUT anyone serving more than one term. Those of you wishing to gloat over the election are not paying attention to the real issues having nothing to do with the results of that election. We STILL have the wolves guarding the hen house no matter which party won. These people in office know not what they do. If you have anything left next spring, pay off your bills, plant a garden, get a crank radio, buy some ammo and a big dog. In mid summer you may be thinking along the same lines as Glen Beck. Its not getting better real soon.
November 27th, 2008 at 9:18 pmWow beck is really an idiot. Does he not understand that the Declaration of Independence has no legal standing.
November 27th, 2008 at 10:04 pmPlease do … take those red states with their lower education, lower income, higher obesity rates, higher murder rates, socialized farming, hurricanes and tornadoes, and higher divorce rates and have yourself a ball. The red states tend to be net gainers from the federal treasury while blue states are net losers, so the Blue States of America (BSA) can use its surplus to build more infrastructure.
November 27th, 2008 at 10:33 pmWhile I can’t say I follow Beck’s logic, I do think it is about time we had an amiable divorce (Libs and Conservatives). Going by the election results over the past few presidential elections, we’re pretty close to a 50/50 ideological split. Red states/Blue states, I don’t really know how we could come up with a fair way to divide up the land but I imagine there could be a solution that we could all live with.
December 1st, 2008 at 6:15 pmI can’t believe the hate that is being spewed on this site from people on the left. Unification is what we need, not calling out a talk show radio host on a comment take completely out of context. (If you heard the whole clip he in no way advocated secession. Beck questioned if it was actually allowed and has said again and again to support the President Elect Obama and the country ie. don’t consider anything radical like secession or an anti Obama underground.) Think critically and don’t believe everything stated in a clearly bias article. Most of you have only heard 27 seconds of beck anyway.
The only progress this country needs is a backward historical progress. (I know a complete oxymoron) That progress was brought on by George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, Ben Franklin and all of our other amazing, brilliant founding fathers. Look in the mirror before you so hastily judge other citizens and then aim that attention where it is deserved. The real problem does not lie in us, the people. It is the radicals in power on both sides of the political field. The Constitution is the only thing we should base our political views on. Let’s never get back to a WWI Wilson America where individualism and opinion are oppressed and considered un-American. Whole point of this is to not be the “hateful-left” that a lot of you are being.
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:32 pmDespite the nutty comments in this forum.
All states have that right… but its not a right.
Ie; There is nothing that keeps a state from secedding and in fact only 2 have specific options relating to this.
But most (other than civil war) wouldnt do it nowadays.
The fact is that Texas still retains the right to self-split itself into multiple states, but if contested it would have the actual right to secede then.
Other states can, despite what Lincoln & others tried to say.
Its still a part of the ‘voluntary union of states’ deal.
Its unfortunate that of late, many on the left, consider any disagreement or opposition to their ideas to be wrong,evil, or even want it made illegal.
In some areas they are already succeeding.
Examples:
1. Democrats (specifically Ed Kennedy & others) are fond of calling those who disagree with them “Hilter”.
2. If you are accused of childabuse, you are automaticlally guilty, and it can be difficult (in some states impossible) to prove innocence, “though DNA is now helping prove it”.
Ie; in most places you cannot confront the case worker who accuses you,even when she/he is lieing outright.
Reality is that too many crimes of recent decades have been proven per DNA to not be committed by the one convicted.
3. Hillary once said while 1st lady, that if one doesnt vote for her husbands healthcare that one should not have a right to vote… (since she was ‘defacto’ in charge of the idea, it was not proper for her to state this).
4. Continuation of the idea that increasing taxes and paying it is patrotic …when the reverse is true.
Its patrotic to pay taxes, but to oppose unreasonable increases.. Since we are now paying in many cases twice what we think we are paying in taxes, its getting crazy.
Dont forget to include all taxes:
January 20th, 2009 at 7:39 pmFed,State,local,sales,fees,permits,licenses,property tax, etc, cap gains, taxes on taxes and even multilevel taxes.
In October 2001, I predicted to my friends that the United States will fall, and will be known as the “United Countries of America”. With the way things are going here, in America…bad choices being made by our own government…the way they steal from the poor to give to the incompentent corporate bastards, who run their companies to the ground…we, the American people, can do better without the federal government. Breaking free from the federal government would be better for all! U.S.S.R. failed…U.S.A. is next!
February 11th, 2009 at 12:55 amIt seems to me that what used to be thought of as “extreme” is now being pushed down our conservative throats. I think it would make wonderful sense to just divide the country in half…put all of those who support homosexuals, abortion, illegal immigrants, and every other form of unlawlessness and unGodliness on one side, and those who want the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to still be the God of their country on the other side. Voila! Problems solved; no more squabling or bickering. The Christians can live in peace, and all others can live in their peace.
February 13th, 2009 at 6:10 pmI do not favour seceeding from the Union, If and when the government makes or endorses laws contrary to the Constitution, The govt then has already seceeded from the
February 16th, 2009 at 2:22 ampeople, which by the way is the real government. We the people only give our elected officials the privilege to govern as long as they strictly abide by the Constitution
as stated by the founding fathers of this country. Problem is the servants have taken over the house. They need to be put in their proper place, and the size their paychecks should be determined by the masters of the house, we the people, A true patriot will not leave their country but hang in there and attempt to mend it’s every flaw. If it is over populated by a sleazy bunch of perverts. It will destroy it’s self in time.
I pledge allegiance to America and to the Republic for which it stands, If it ever becomes a socialist or communist government it will be no longer a Republic and I pledge myself to be totally against it. So then we must do whatever it takes to bring it back to a real America again.In the meantime we must do our best to keep America American.
Capitalism is great for a country but unjust exploitation needs to be stopped. ” A just weight and a perfect balance is God’s delight.”