Comments on: White House not likely to pardon torture officials, claims torture memos make pardons ‘unnecessary.’

By: Uosdwis

Uosdwis — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:37:34 +0000

The bad news is there may not be any action taken on this while the recession/depression is ongoing. The bad news for Bush is the “memo” defense is laughable. The good news is the Obama administration CAN walk and chew gum at the same time.

By: PacificGatePost

PacificGatePost — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:01:44 +0000

AND NOW FOR THE REALLY BIG PARDON

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/11/trigger-for-cheney-presidential-pardon.html

Stories just don’t get much better than this.

By: singe_101

singe_101 — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:43:54 +0000

Why do they fear being investigated if they did legal things for national security?

It’s as if the fear of surgery prevents us from having an operation to remove a festering, malignant legion that we know is there.

I find it ironic that those who will authorize torture, in secret, without proof are completely terrified of a public trial that will, for things they actually did and gained from, probably incarcerate them at worst (though treason is in play). So brave.

The change from Eisenhower to Nixon, and how they must have lived life after the presidency, is profound and terrible.

By: Max-1

Max-1 — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:42:10 +0000

The Prosecution for War Crimes of President Bush
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10554

Nine Reasons to Investigate War Crimes Now
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080804/brecher_smith

By: Max-1

Max-1 — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:25:44 +0000

Q U E S T I O N:
Which came first…
… The torture or the memos?

By: Max-1

Max-1 — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:24:15 +0000

Q U E S T I O N:
Does this make torture legal now?
The Rule of Law is for naught?

By: Helen Hussein Rainier

Helen Hussein Rainier — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:07:55 +0000

Hmmm, very interesting conundrum here that the Bushies have gotten themselves into. If they pardon them, it’s a tacit admission that they commited torture. If they don’t pardon them, the rats will turn quicker than a screw being turned by a power driver.

At this point, I’m not sure that any action against the Bushies by the government would be seen as legit by our own country, much less the world.

I’m hoping there might be secret negotiations that are going on, or will go on to refer the war crimes of the past 8 years to the UN for their unbiased investigation and action.

By: RUCerious

RUCerious — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:40:59 +0000

Ah, the torture memos. A likely source of war crimes evidence… No pardon available for Den Hague, now is there?

By: konchster

konchster — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:18:50 +0000

darladooner Says:
is this obama’s “off the table” remark a la pelosi?

that’s alread three mistakes that obama has yet to admit, and yet just this morning he said that admitting mistakes is the “new way of doing business”.

I am sure he will be in touch with you on this since you appear to have been appointed arbiter of such things

By: darladooner

darladooner — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:01:24 +0000

is this obama’s “off the table” remark a la pelosi?

that’s alread three mistakes that obama has yet to admit, and yet just this morning he said that admitting mistakes is the “new way of doing business”.

By: 666lattes

666lattes — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:50:51 +0000

“Under what kind of delusions must one have been suffering to ever have imagined that there would be judicicial consequences for ANYTHING the bastard busheviks did?”

The “delusions” that our country was founded on, I guess.

By: Bilbo Hussein Baggins

Bilbo Hussein Baggins — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:46:22 +0000

Marie Says:
Establishing a commission to investigate the abuses by Bush&Co seems like the way to go at this time. It would free Obama from having to involve himself personally, and it has the potential to provide the public with sufficient evidence that the clamor for prosecution of individuals will be hard to deny.

I agree totally. First of all Obama doesn’t have the time to go after the Bush Crime Family. And if he did, he would be making it much less likely that the Republicans would support his stimulus package. They would be crying “partisan politics” and “revenge politics”.

I say let a commission look into it. All the whistle blowers who were afraid to talk to people before January 20 (fear of losing their job or even their lives) will be coming out of the woodwork. Sy Hirsch was quoted as saying that he can’t count the number of people who told him to come back to talk to them after January 20.

If the Commission exposes crimes that have been committed and the public insists that the people who committed the crimes be prosecuted, then the Republicans can’t scream “partisan politics”.

By: upside99

upside99 — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:44:56 +0000

How Cal-Berkley can continue to let a scumbag like Yoo continue to represent their law program is beyond me. A state supported university should NOT have this kind of arsehole anywhere on their campus as a paid employee.

By: COProgressive

COProgressive — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:16:08 +0000

This has been an internation assult on humanity. We, as Americans, and in who’s name this was done, should have a fair and open (totally transparent) investigation of ALL documents and records involving the treatment of foreign nationals in American custody. Present ALL this information to the World community and assist them in any criminal prosecution, including rounding up of the perpetrators, that they feel need to be taken.

“Our government… teaches the whole people by its example. If the government becomes the lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.” – Justice Louis Brandeis

By: sacopenapa

sacopenapa — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:12:29 +0000

Didn’t the Repub went after a ‘blow job’? How about have a decent administration who go after JUSTICE! UNIVERSAL JUSTICE!

By: sacopenapa

sacopenapa — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:08:57 +0000

HAGUE 2009! WAR CRIMINAL!!!! THAT IS WHAT THIS ANIMALS ARE!

By: barfly

barfly — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:57:06 +0000

“a 9/11-style commission”? why does the word ‘whitewash’ spring to mind?

Lee Hamilton suits up in his worn coveralls, and reaches for the turpentine…

By: A Patriot Acting

A Patriot Acting — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:56:40 +0000

I am also of the belief that Obama would and should not tip his hand regarding possible future prosecutions of Bush Administration thugs. Wait until after january and then quietly tap someone like say…Patrick Fitzgerald to look into the myriad crimes happily commited by this boy-king and his merry men.

“Justice consists not in being neutral between right and wrong, but in finding out the right and upholding it, wherever found, against the wrong.”
-T. ROOSEVELT

“We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
-John F. Kennedy

“”If we do not maintain Justice, Justice will not maintain us.”
-Francis Bacon

By: vinylspear

vinylspear — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:49:49 +0000

It is a diseased brain that can rationalize a continuation of morally abhorrent behaviour through the issuance of a “memo”

It’s like dumb and dumber leaving IOU notes in a breifcase full of cash.

By: konchster

konchster — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:22:13 +0000

Yep that will work just fine (whispers aside We executed those nazi bastards that used that defense in WW2 but let’s not tell these fools )