Rove: We Don’t Need A Change In Our Health Care System
Rove: We Don’t Need A Change In Our Health Care System
In an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal today, Karl Rove applauds Barack Obama’s appointment of a “first-rate economic team,” cheering the selections of Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, National Economic Council director Lawrence Summers, Council of Economic Advisers chief Christina Romer, and OMB head Peter Orszag.
But while issuing compliments of most of Obama’s nominees, Rove issued this back-handed swipe at Melody Barnes, who ThinkProgress first reported would be chosen to lead the White House Domestic Policy Council:
The only troubling personnel note was Melody Barnes as Domestic Policy Council director. Putting a former aide to Ted Kennedy in charge of health policy after tapping universal health-care advocate Tom Daschle to be Health and Human Services secretary sends a clear signal that Mr. Obama didn’t mean it when his campaign ads said he wouldn’t run to the “extremes” with government-run health care.
During the campaign, Barnes helped inform Obama’s health care approach — the same approach he is now promising to pursue in office. Obama pledged to bring together “doctors and patients, unions and businesses, Democrats and Republicans” together to build on the existing system and “reduce the cost of health care to ensure affordable, accessible coverage for all Americans.”
Taking a look at the health care stats in the Bush/Rove era, it’s clear that most Americans have seen a decline in their health care at the same time that health insurance companies have reaped tremendous gains:
– Since 2000, the ranks of the uninsured have grown by 7.2 million.
– Health care premiums have doubled under Bush. Employer-sponsored health insurance premiums have risen from $5,791 in 1999 to $12,680 in 2008.
– The fastest growing component of health care is health insurers’ administrative costs.
– Enrollment in Medicare private plans doubled. Through such plans, insurers “have increased the cost and complexity of the program without any evidence of improving care.”
– The combined profits of the nation’s largest insurance companies and their subsidiaries increased by over 170 percent between 2003 and 2007.
Obama is putting together a team, starting with Melody Barnes and Tom Daschle, who will be committed to ending the unfairness and inequity of the current health care system. Meanwhile, Karl Rove is committed to defending the health insurance industry and preventing any change to the status quo. Fortunately, the American people are proclaiming that they are ready for the change that Obama is promising.
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I don’t know about everyone else, but I really don’t give a rats a$$ what Rove and other neoCONs think about Obama’s appointments and Obama’s plans.
November 28th, 2008 at 12:25 pmShut up, you pig-eyed sack of sh*t, four-letter word Rove! No one cares what you think as you and your ideas provided fuel to run this country, our laws and the Constitution into the ground.
PEACE
November 28th, 2008 at 12:26 pmTHAT’S IT KARL…..KEEP POKING THE HORNET’S NEST…..I’D SAY YOU HAVE ABOUT 2 MORE MONTHS OF FUN
November 28th, 2008 at 12:29 pmWhy is TP obsessed with what this bastard says? ENOUGH!!!
November 28th, 2008 at 12:30 pm#4, probably because there’s a lie printed in the wall street journal that requires correction.
November 28th, 2008 at 12:32 pmKarl who?
November 28th, 2008 at 12:36 pmComments from a criminal who will soon write his op-ed from a jail cell. Karl Rove is doing his best to stay in the public eye. Now with Karl’s choices of woman he would pick Dana to be the head of the Domestic Policy Council. Yes Karl is always sniffing around Dana the bimbo idiot and would most likely give her a job for favors. He can’t get a woman any other way. Karl’s time in power is over and he knows it but like Sarah, Karl will do his best to delay his trip to jail anyway he can.
November 28th, 2008 at 12:36 pmSomeone please remind me who ever elected this worthless criminal to any policy making office. And while you are at it tell my why such a thug is not in jail being worked over by Bubba the cellmate.
November 28th, 2008 at 12:44 pmI am surprised to see rove still walking, I would have thought someone would have shot that turkey for Thanksgiving.
November 28th, 2008 at 12:46 pmCriminally obese and corrupt is NO way to conduct one’s life, Turdblossom.
Your “lead by example” design is thoroughly flawed on so many levels, it’s ludicrous.
November 28th, 2008 at 12:46 pmWho is KKKarl von Rove and why should anyone care what spews from his mouth of flows from his pen. To me KKKarl is like Sarah Palin and deserves no bully pulpit from which to continue his pandemic obfuscation. Yawn.
November 28th, 2008 at 12:50 pmuntil health care is reformed, we dont have an economic chance.
November 28th, 2008 at 12:54 pmDid you read recently that one of the large health care insurers (I forget which one) said they “might” be willing to stop discriminating against people because of preexisting conditions. Then the “if”. If the Obama passed a law requiring ALL citizens to purchase health insurance.
I say we put these thieves out of business. Put all Americans on Medicare tomorrow. Then revamp Medicare so that it pays medical providers a fair price for the services they render. Medicare can hire the people working for the private Health Insurers to administer to the new program so that they don’t lose their jobs. To hell with the executives. Let them all rot. They have been killing Americans for years and deserve to lose their jobs.
November 28th, 2008 at 12:56 pmChubs has to say that – how else will he be able to collect $$$ by giving inspiring (?) speeches to the health and pharmacy industry?
November 28th, 2008 at 1:09 pmWho cares what this TURD has to say? He along with the stupidest President to ever darken the door of the White House has scewed this country up that it will take at least a generation to fix. His opinions do not matter!!!
November 28th, 2008 at 1:15 pmWell if Rove says it, it must be true.
After all, he’s batting a thousand so far, right?
November 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pmHow in the hell does advising the most criminal administration in the history of United States make this jerk’s opinion on anything but staying out of jail, credible ?
November 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pmStandard right-wing explanation: No! America is center-right! In electing a liberal, one who ran on the most progressive agenda in generations and whose policies were told to be borderline “Socialism,” the American peoples mandate for change really only means different.
They want the same policies from a different party or president.
It just doesn’t stand up under the slightest bit of examination. So I got an idea: let’s all worry about what the failure that is Rove obsesses about.
November 28th, 2008 at 1:17 pmI love the whole meme…
November 28th, 2008 at 1:19 pmIts patriotic to go shopping during this gluttonous Holiday shop-fest
but
Its NOT patriotic to pay one’s taxes.
We have to listen to these traitors when they talk.
They have said from the beginning:
The government set up By the People, Of the People, and For the People CANNOT function.
They have made it their purpose to ensure that the government set up By the People, Of the People, and For the People DOES NOT FUNCTION DOES NOT FUNCTION PROPERLY.
They never wanted the government set up By the People, Of the People, and For the People to function.
They are traitorous to the cause of OUR government.
They are traitors, PERIOD.
ARREST, TRY AND HANG THE TRAITORS!!!!!!
November 28th, 2008 at 1:24 pmI’m sure if I was getting “CheneyCare” from my gig at BushCo, I’d think the health care system doesn’t need fixing either.
Screw this lard ass.
November 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pmRove: We Don’t Need A Change In Our Health Care System»
The ‘WE’ to Rove being the have mores. All the rest of us are not included and as far as he is concerned we can continue to die off quietly….help clean out the gene pool in his mind.
November 28th, 2008 at 1:47 pmWe’ve got to give the Right their own country. It’s the only way. Even as we speak, they’re off somewhere, praying for things to go bad, planning how to screw things up again.
November 28th, 2008 at 1:52 pmON THE BRIGHTER SIDE, Karl Rove is completely irrelevant! Awesome!
November 28th, 2008 at 1:53 pmWe’ve got to give the Right their own country. It’s the only way. Even as we speak, they’re off somewhere, praying for things to go bad, planning how to screw things up again.
November 28th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
we’ve already got one: Idaho, Utah, Nevada (not including Vegas).
Now all we need’s a Neo-con/rightard ‘trail of tears’…
November 28th, 2008 at 1:58 pmThe only ones who care what Karl Rove has to say are Fox News and Karl Rove.
In other words, anyone with a brain could give a rat’s ass.
November 28th, 2008 at 2:05 pmThis fat ass sack of shit needs to be sent to Iraq with a rifle glued to his hands. Then, drop his pig ass in the worst zone possible and leave him there.
November 28th, 2008 at 2:06 pmThis man is a traitor.
Agents working for our country to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons died because of him.
He should be in jail.
November 28th, 2008 at 2:25 pmAgree that Rove is not only useless, but a negative influence on humanity.
But also, as has been pointed out by others in other threads, providing healthcare would also be a way of providing government money going to businesses.
If the govt paid healthcare for the automakers, they would save that amount. Likewise for the finance sector. Likewise for any employer that already pays healthcare.
If you believe in trickle down (and I don’t), that would be one gigantic infusion of trickle down case across the board.
November 28th, 2008 at 2:44 pm“Rove: We Don’t Need A Change In Our Health Care System”
Please… Enough is enough from Tubby McTreason Rove. I’m certainly not going to use my muscle in my brain to respond to this clown’s comment about healthcare. As Jackie said, Tubby the criminal needs to be haul off to prison where he can write his own op-ed to his inmates.
November 28th, 2008 at 3:01 pmI have an idea: We should petition Fox to keep KRove around for at least several more election cycles so we can get rid of all republicans altogether! Keep going Karl! thanks so much.
November 28th, 2008 at 3:07 pmI don’t care what Karl Rove or anybody else says, Healthcare should not be a for-profit industry. Healthcare should be driven by altruism, not capitalism.
November 28th, 2008 at 3:14 pmBernie Ward a past host on kgoradio.com who is now in prison for 7 years was the best promoter of single payer health care. He saw many sides of the issue as his wife is a pediatrician. The powers that be did shut him up…
1. there were 99 others involved in his image exchange – but only Bernie was arrested
2. if he chose a full trial, as he wanted in order to tell his side of the story, he was faced with 25 years of prison and heavy fees.
3. AND…. he has been transferred from SF CA to the prison facility in Beaumont Texas. It seems to me, the powers that be wanted to get him the furthest away as possible from kgo 810am, AAR, Nova M radio and the Ed Schultz Show…. and they did – what other region is more isolated than this?
I am not excusing what Bernie did – just not fully accepting the charges until I hear his side in his words. He receives hundreds of letters from fans, nuns, friends and family. And, being the good man he is, is helping other inmates get their GED and improve reading and writing skills.
Recently in California, a middle school teacher was found guilty of video taping girls in the locker room… and he gets only 2 years while Bernie is sent away for 7 years for image exchange? I know – one is federal and thee other is a state issue.
November 28th, 2008 at 3:19 pmMr. Rove, I work in the healthcare system. Which makes me completely qualified to tell you that you are DEAD WRONG.
November 28th, 2008 at 3:21 pmRutabaga Says:
Mr. Rove, I work in the health care system. Which makes me completely qualified to tell you that you are DEAD WRONG.
The for profit scenario has taken many immoral paths.
Those in the know KNOW:
1. that patient on a ventilator in a very slow ICU unit may stay on the vent longer than needed just to keep the unit open… a closed ICU unit means the staff goes home or works other floors.
2. the well insured patient may get more than full treatment… maybe unneeded tests, respiratory treatments, therapy
3. for profit also puts a burden on the staff as many have to justify their work.. being on a quota system most go along with above #1 and #2… salary comes first and it can be all too easy to push reality aside to avoid a cut in pay.
I once worked in a hospital in another region and saw an excellent pulmonologist, one that refused to break the rule of putting end stage respiratory disease patients on ventilators by a new inexperienced pulmonologist that did. Guess what… we went from very slow days in the ICU to business is booming. as you probably know, once on a ventilator with a poor respiratory outlook the chances of getting of the machine alive is small.
November 28th, 2008 at 4:03 pmA week after the elections, George W. and Laura Bush sat for an interview for the “National Day of Listening” sponsored by StoryCorp. The questioning was put forth by, incredibly, Bush’s own sister, Doro. Bush’s whiney, defensive answers to perfectly innocuous questions put forth by his own sister is only the least of what has to be the most perfect delineation of Bush’s psychopathology and complete, messy divorce from reality.
So sit back and witness the disintegration of a human mind in this “Interview With Big Brother.”
November 28th, 2008 at 4:07 pmRecently in California, a middle school teacher was found guilty of video taping girls in the locker room… and he gets only 2 years while Bernie is sent away for 7 years for image exchange? I know – one is federal and thee other is a state issue.
November 28th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Yeah Bernie was railroaded, no question about it. Once again, the Right learned from its mistakes. Slimebaugh beat a felony drug rap by pleading, and is still smoking those fat cigars (instead of his bunkmate, Igor)…But, see, the genius of the Bernie thing was that it wasn’t drugs. It was prurient sexual interest in kids. Somehow Slimeball’s Dominican ‘boy-trysts’ are off limits.
I have a theory that sometime soon we’re gonna see the creation of a whole new category of capital crimes for sexual ‘predation’ on kids, btw…
November 28th, 2008 at 4:30 pmJohn Kerry Says:
MEMO & SUGGESTION TO ALL WACKED OUT LIBS!!
Try living in Canada; England; France; etc etc etc etc etc and see what it’s like with the health care that the third Clinton administration wants!!
You’ll move back here in a hurry!!
November 28th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
That’s faROUKING hiliarous, coming from somebody who’s obviously never lived further from home than their attic or basement and whose IQ barely surpasses that of most mollusks.
Heh…most amusing…
November 28th, 2008 at 4:39 pmHi John Kerry:
November 28th, 2008 at 4:48 pmIt is knockwurst and kraut tonight if you wanna stick around. Shall I set a plate for you or are you still way too scared…
I have friends in UK, Sweden, Switzerland, and Japan. None has a complaint about the health care, but are rather amused and appalled by our system. Switzerland’s health care system was once profit driven, but they changed it because it wasn’t serving the populace. Imagine that, citizens, a government that serves the public. Damned socialists!
November 28th, 2008 at 4:49 pmand for the record the cephalopod molluscs are no intellectual slouches…
November 28th, 2008 at 4:49 pmWho gives a rat’s ass about what Rove says?
November 28th, 2008 at 4:52 pmThe man should be in jail awaiting criminal prosecution.
Tom Daschle….more “Change”.
Ha! Ha!
Joke’s on you!!
Pharmaceutical Stooge.
http://www.phrma.org/news_room/press_releases/phrma_applauds_selection_of_tom_daschle_as_hhs_secretary/
November 28th, 2008 at 4:57 pmAnyone I have ever met, seen interviewed, or discussing health care in Europe is far more satisfied with their health care than most Americans, particularly the 47 million who cannot afford to see a doctor for lack of insurance.
Americans pay the most, yet we rank 39th in health, longevity, child well-being, and every measure of health care.
We have turned health into a business, where the insurance companies dictate care to the providers, and operate at 28% in administrative costs, as they are beholden to shareholders and the bottom line.
Add up health care premiums, deductibles, and co-pays for those that can afford it. Everyone should be able to obtain medical care and the burden should be shared by everyone, as in at least 39 other nations.
November 28th, 2008 at 5:00 pmThe utterly insufferable pig-faced hog-bodied MC Rove is so typical of his porcine neo-Confederate type. “Public-paid healthcare for me, but not for thee…” He should be consigned to the foul barnyard from whence he came…
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November 28th, 2008 at 5:05 pmBrain From Planet Arous Says:
of course they praise him…..they have to deal with him…
November 28th, 2008 at 5:09 pmtroll john kerry ignores the fact that Americans are now leaving America for top of the line health care that is not available here. See carabean.
troll john kerry ignores that Americans are leaving America literally for affordable health care.
November 28th, 2008 at 5:11 pmImagine that, citizens, a government that serves the public. Damned socialists!
I agree. And, you know what? Let’s just give every public function to the private companies. After all, the market will solve it all, right? RIGHT? /sarc off
Seriously, that’s what happens when you go the University of Chicago, study Economics, you make your PhD project on a pure economy, you study it with fractional mathematics and come up with 10 dimensions needed to predict the price of bread after a harsh winter. Of course, there are no human beings dying of hunger in your equation. But nonetheless, you are a superb economist!!!
Free Market rules!
November 28th, 2008 at 5:12 pmDoes Rove’s own insurance policy cover mental illness?
November 28th, 2008 at 5:19 pmNo offense intended to you or yours, genetically or metaphorically. I have a friend who loves cephalopods…
November 28th, 2008 at 5:21 pmShould be on every refrigerator door in the whole faROUKING Country!
Exactement!!!
November 28th, 2008 at 5:23 pmHe should be consigned to the foul barnyard from whence he came…
You mean, feed him to the pigs?
Yeah, that seems about right…
November 28th, 2008 at 5:26 pmRove is right, as usual.
Too bad you folks can’t see this, but I know that’s too much to ask from people who are obviously so disconnected from reality there’s little hope of you ever waking up.
Morons
November 28th, 2008 at 5:39 pmSocialized medicine will actually REDUCE the quality of care we have available in this country.
It’s a sad day, now that the mindless have handed the keys to the kingdom to a socialist.
Hell, there’s a very real liklihood he he wasn’t even born in this country.
November 28th, 2008 at 5:43 pmTim you are a silly one. Rove hasn’t been right or relevant for some time now. The disconnected from reality is believing in Rove. Remember “The math” he had back in 2006? Rove will be doing the perp walk for his dealings in Alabama.
November 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pmTim, you should really clear your head of all the talking points and kool aid you’ve been force fed from the RNC.
November 28th, 2008 at 5:45 pmI just have one question. If Socialized medicine is so great, why do people come to the United States all the time to get procedures done that they can’t get in their countries?
I don’t think socialized ANYTHING is the answer! Just ask people who have lived in socialist/marxist/communist paradises like Cuba, etc.
November 28th, 2008 at 5:46 pmDo you promise Tim? is that the only question?
November 28th, 2008 at 5:46 pmIf Socialized medicine is so great, why do people come to the United States all the time to get procedures done that they can’t get in their countries?
Hot nurses?
November 28th, 2008 at 5:52 pmHi Tim
November 28th, 2008 at 5:55 pmShall we ask those folks in Scandinavia as well?
Fred Says:
of course they praise him…..they have to deal with him…
There ya go again Fred….
Compromising another one of your Progressive values. Where is your firewall?
Pharmaceutical and insurance advocate Stooges running the “health care system”. Now, while you are at it, look up Ted Kennedy’s stance on the FDA and vitamin companies.
Sort of like people from Clinton’s and Bush’s administrations running foreign policy and the economy.
You know, those same people who pushed deregulation, War with Iraq, and NAFTA/GATT.
“CHANGE!!!”
November 28th, 2008 at 5:55 pmAs far as I’m concerned, what Rove has to say on health care is no more nor less useful than what the guy who delivers my newspaper has to say about health care.
They are about equally likely to have something of value to offer on the subject.
November 28th, 2008 at 6:10 pmOh, good Lord. Is Tim Vacuous back with his simplistic demonizations designed mainly to make him feel better about being scared of the big, bad world?
Sure looks like it.
November 28th, 2008 at 6:13 pmUh, Timmeh, did you know that one of the major party candidates for President wasn’t born in this country?
That’s right. John McCain was born in Panama.
November 28th, 2008 at 6:15 pmOh shit now I have that stupid Van Halen song stuck in my head again…
November 28th, 2008 at 6:19 pmdbadass, whenever I find myself with a song stuck in my head, I can usually dislodge it by singing the chorus of “Eye of the Tiger” several times.
You’re welcome.
November 28th, 2008 at 6:25 pmI think I was at a party at that house one time. Thanks ralph. Hilarious…
November 28th, 2008 at 6:32 pmI would love to give kkkarl rove state based health care……….while he saits in his prison cell cause ya know he’s gonna need serous medical attention on that widening of a specific orifice/I suggest everyone send lill karl some adult dipers and some ky as a goin away gift wheen the time comes
November 28th, 2008 at 6:41 pmWhat does fatass rove need to worry about health care insurance for anyway? once they indict/convict/jail his lardass he will be entitled to three hots and a cot plus free medical…amazing how big of a parasite this guy is at the expense of the taxpayers
November 28th, 2008 at 7:00 pmAlecto Says:
I love the whole meme…
Its patriotic to go shopping during this gluttonous Holiday shop-fest
but
Its NOT patriotic to pay one’s taxes.
November 28th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Right on. It’s ok to trample a Mal-Wart temp for plastic crap on a shelf – one less person to insure in the reich-wing world view. But it’s not ok to rein in private insurers doubling costs health care premiums as the quality of care declines.
Tim: What procedures are you referring to? The Aetna Deluxe Facelift? You do know know the intention isn’t to carbon copy any flaws of other countries health systems – we have the capacity to do better as Americans. For example, our higher ed system is the envy of the world. Since federal funding enables these institutions to improve medical delivery and increase the access of care to all Americans (presently tabled), we can take that major strength and link wisely to create another.
Drug and insurance companies are not part of the solution as they should be, given their scope and size.
With so many ideas out there to greatly improve the system, why should we care to do more of the same?
November 28th, 2008 at 7:12 pmThis little piggy went WEEEWEEEEWEEEEEE all the way home!
November 28th, 2008 at 7:15 pmJohn Kerry Says:
MEMO & SUGGESTION TO ALL WACKED OUT LIBS!!
Try living in Canada; England; France; etc etc etc etc etc and see what it’s like with the health care that the third Clinton administration wants!!
You’ll move back here in a hurry!!
Nov
ALL of those countries you mentioned are viewing US as idiots for putting up with this so called health care. Have you noticed none of them are are in a hurry to change to our type of health care? They are not stupid and knows what is best for their people.
November 28th, 2008 at 7:16 pmJohn Kerry Says:
MEMO & SUGGESTION TO ALL WACKED OUT LIBS!!
Try living in Canada; England; France
DON’T LISTEN TO HIM, LIBS!! STAY AWAY FROM THIS PLACE AND THEIR HIGHER LIFE EXPECTANCY RATES!!
November 28th, 2008 at 7:33 pmTim Vaculik Says:
I just have one question. If Socialized medicine is so great, why do people come to the United States all the time to get procedures done that they can’t get in their countries?
I don’t think socialized ANYTHING is the answer! Just ask people who have lived in socialist/marxist/communist paradises like Cuba, etc.
All of what people? Again, you are drinking the kool aid from the idiots bringing the repugs down.. even Hagel is sick of them.
What would be wrong with by passing the for profit insurance companies constantly looking for ways to rip you off or exclude coverage and with an over head of 20%+, to a single payer not for profit all inclusive with a 3% over head? The premiums would be lower as the pool would be much higher.
November 28th, 2008 at 7:34 pmGee libs, you want increased access to mental health care to abolish the GOP!!
STINKY LIBS!!!!!!!!!
!!
November 28th, 2008 at 7:36 pmMemo to john kerry troll:
try getting open heart surgery or a transplant in this country without healthcare insurance. at least in places with socialized medicine you have a shot at getting the care you need.
then again, i am sure you are like your idol “joe the welfare queen fake plumber” and are on the dole to begin with.
November 28th, 2008 at 7:41 pmrogerD Says:
I have friends in UK, Sweden, Switzerland, and Japan. None has a complaint about the health care, but are rather amused and appalled by our system. Switzerland’s health care system was once profit driven, but they changed it because it wasn’t serving the populace. Imagine that, citizens, a government that serves the public. Damned socialists!
While listening to kgoradio.com at night as it is the only live liberal station I can find, some from around the world call in as it is daytime there. These people are horrified that we put up with the so called health care system, lost pensions, stolen elections and ALWAYS comment they would never trade their system with ours.
November 28th, 2008 at 7:50 pmWhy do knuckle dragging, bottom feeding, troglodytes of the lowest 23%tile of Americans, those who supported the chimpanzee, Dubya, think that they have the right or knowledge to advise anyone on what is right, good, best or indifferent to those who know they are morons?
November 28th, 2008 at 8:09 pmA picture, they say, is worth 1000 words.
Here’s 10,000.
November 28th, 2008 at 8:44 pmThere was a lot of talk about how to make Turducken this holiday weekend. But what we’ve been missing is the recipe for Turdblossom: take chickenhawk stuffed with deboned rightwings stuffed with manure and wrap tightly in subpoena rolling paper.
It’s well established that smoking is bad for our health. Therefore, it’s now time for Congress to seize and stamp out this putrid doobie under its heel after our country’s septic 8 year long drag.
- Tom
November 28th, 2008 at 8:46 pmI am hoping Piggy Rove will get a first hand look at our Federal Prisons Healthcare System, but I don’t hold out much hope for that….but a boy can dream can’t he??
November 28th, 2008 at 9:02 pmTim Vaculik Says:
“I just have one question. If Socialized medicine is so great, why do people come to the United States all the time to get procedures done that they can’t get in their countries?”
The US is very good at certain medical procedures if you have the money or very good insurance, Liver transplant you go to Pittsburgh; Cancer, Memorial Sloane (and others), etc. When it comes to preventative medicine, when it comes treating all, when it comes to life expectancy, infant mortality, the amount we spend for what we get in return…..we suck.
Sort of like you, but don’t let anyone say we didn’t answer your question
November 28th, 2008 at 9:07 pmRove is doing what neocons do, changing his feathers.
November 28th, 2008 at 10:32 pmTim Vaculik Says:
“I just have one question. If Socialized medicine is so great, why do people come to the United States all the time to get procedures done that they can’t get in their countries?”
Its called insurance.
November 28th, 2008 at 10:35 pmForget Rove, he is done as a political advisor. He lost in 2004 and he lost in 2006.
November 28th, 2008 at 10:36 pmWho cares what this guys does? Send him off to bohogrove to pretend for 10-15 years or until he wilts.
November 28th, 2008 at 11:32 pmThe media must at least attemp to find real people to fill their content.
I’m a CSPAN junkie, especially Washington Journal. That’s where you hear the most back-woods, racist, crap ever spewed.
The thing I never understand is the people who think it’s just A-OK for corporations to rob the American people and call it “free market”.
We’re living under a system “of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations”. So completely opposite of our founders it astounds me.
I’d really, really like to know, how EXACTLY have any of the so called free market policies benefited anyone (but those in the finance/insurance industry), in the past few years…….and don’t give me the “I took my money out and put it in CD’s crap………if you’re that close to retirement, of course you’re going to play it safe but what about the rest of the baby boomers? I’ve lost HALF OF WHAT I’VE SAVED. F-YOU!
I know that I “did the right thing and save for my retirement, I know that my house value is $60,0000 less than what it was estimated to be 3 years ago, I know that I have less job security than I did 10 years ago even with “higher education” and “proper training” (with the student loans to show for it).
I see my health insurance “benefit” shrinking each year with my out-of-pocket expenses rising disportionatly. Higher deductibles, higher co-pays, less coverage. God forbid hubby or I have a life threatening illness then of course, we’ll be deemed uninsurable.
I’m not entirely sure who I’m railing at but it does feel good to get it off my chest. Just THINK. THINK for a moment you pie in the sky, water carrying trolls among us, how exactly is the “free market” going to get us out of this hole without regulation and stop the “free markets” from bleeding us dry.
November 28th, 2008 at 11:38 pmAnything Rove says is wrong. always.
November 28th, 2008 at 11:57 pmTim doesn’t have any questions, he just has the same old tired lies that we all know are lies…….he could know the truth but he chooses to be ignorant.
November 29th, 2008 at 12:10 amEvents of the last year should put to bed the lie of the free market. It has failed before everyone’s eyes and still, still there are defenders……go figure.
November 29th, 2008 at 12:26 amTim Vaculik Says:
Rove is right, as usual.
Too bad you folks can’t see this, but I know that’s too much to ask from people who are obviously so disconnected from reality there’s little hope of you ever waking up.
Morons
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Considering you are the STUPIDEST most IGNORANT piece of garbage this site has ever seen try to imagine how little I care what you think of anyone here. You putrid, imbecilic, cretin. You are several rungs below pondscum on the evolutionary ladder.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:09 amTim Vaculik Says:
Timmeh the king of ignorance weighs in again.
Socialized medicine will actually REDUCE the quality of care we have available in this country.
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You have no way of knowing this is true. You are just a moron who pulls idiotic OPINIONS directly out of your ASS and states them as fact.
It’s a sad day, now that the mindless have handed the keys to the kingdom to a socialist.
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Since you dont even live on this PLANET, rather reside on Planet Wingnut no one with one functioning braincell cares what you think you braindead moron
November 29th, 2008 at 1:12 amTim Vaculik Says:
I just have one question. If Socialized medicine is so great, why do people come to the United States all the time to get procedures done that they can’t get in their countries?
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Oh we have great medical care if you can AFFORD IT. Tell me what happens if you need a kidney or heart transplant and cant afford it? HMMM? Thats right YOU DIE. Not in countries with a national health care system. Meanwhile about 2% of Canadians would rather have our healthcare system and what you cite is a talking point from the right I am not saying it doesnt happen but Canada also gets Americans crossing THEIR border to get healthcare. Why is it that the US is only abou 37 in worldwide rankings? You do know you are a moron and no one takes anything you say seriously dont you?
I don’t think socialized ANYTHING is the answer! Just ask people who have lived in socialist/marxist/communist paradises like Cuba, etc.
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Hmmmm thats a good idea why dont we ask the Frech and British if they like their healthcare systems ranked #1 and @18 respectively then we can ask capitalist paradises like Guatemala, Haiti, and El Salvador how they like THEIR healthcare systems. You CAN regurgitate what you were TOLD to think just fine but you havent a single braincell to actually THINK. Your logic is non existant and if you EVER had an original thought in your life you would take some Ibuprofen and wait for it to pass
November 29th, 2008 at 1:27 amSpeaking of “health care”, get rid of (or seriously reform) Medicare Part D – which is one of the biggest scams perpetrated on the American public by Bush and the “privatization” Rethugs.
¶ AIO
November 29th, 2008 at 3:50 amCaption:
Pigs: Two Different Ones
¶ AIO
November 29th, 2008 at 4:01 am(my apologies to Pink Floyd)
Rove says :
“The only troubling personnel note was Melody Barnes as Domestic Policy Council director…a former aide to Ted Kennedy in charge of health policy “
I think Rove has reason to worry about this.
Major Healthcare reform will be on the Agenda, early in Obama’s Presidency…and it will be introduced in the Senate by Ted Kennedy. Kennedy’s personal situation and the mood of the country will force Healthcare to the front of the line.
I don’t know what form it will take, but I think it should…
Cover Everyone
Eliminate Pre-existing conditions as a disqualifier
Stress Prevention and Promote a Healthy Lifestyle
Use Technology to eliminate mistakes and cut costs
And (IMHO) eliminate Profit from the Healthcare Equation.
All of Obama’s Appointments have one thing in common….they are good at getting things DONE. And Obama Needs Results to keep his momentum going. Healthcare reform fits the bill, and the Time is right.
November 29th, 2008 at 6:58 amWho gives a rat’s butt about what Karl Rove thinks. His opinion doesn’t matter and he is no longer in a position to influence a President.
November 29th, 2008 at 8:23 amDoes it take you real long to think up the trite shit that is the cover for the hawking of the dumb ass Privacy Center?
November 29th, 2008 at 9:37 amGood on AbleCluster! Lots of thought point into that one clearly…
November 29th, 2008 at 9:41 amAs a Canadian I find the posts very interesting. I can tell you (after having used our system, being in the medical system from the time I was 4 until 14) most Americans are missing the major point of your system.
Your system is set up to obtain wealth (from you)while you are fine, and not pay out when your sick. The sicker the better. They push for you to die because you will not be a statistic while your alive.
Under our system, the average person making $45000 contributes approx. $1,250 per year through his taxes. Thats it!!! no co-pays, no other payments, no papers to fill , no nothing. I have a card, I go to any doctor I want, I don’t have to ask permission from the government (the biggest lie of our system that certain Americans tell. If you are unemployed, the government adjusts what you pay when you file your tax return. If you can’t afford to pay…you don’t.
We believe in this nation, if you watch my back, i’ll watch yours. This simple statement has allowed Canadians to build wealth amoung all it’s people.
IF it costs for a family of four $12,500 per year for insurance under your system and it costs a Canadian Family $2500….I will tell you what we do with our savings of $10,000….Pay the mortgage, take vacations, save for educations (our gov subsidizes 75%of tution costs) buy clothes, cars, have money for pot…hehe…amoung other things.
THIS IS WHY CANADIANS HAVE A SAVINGS …HAVE NO POVERTY DUE TO MEDICAL REASONS, ARE HEALTHIER, LIVE LONGER, BETTER SEX, LESS VIOLENCE,BETTER GRADES IN SCHOOLS (LOOK IT UP AND YOU WILL SEE)TRAVEL MORE THEN AMERICANS.
START TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL HAVE IN THERE POCKETS AND YOU WILL SEE HOW FAST SOCIALIZED MEDICINE COMES TO AMERICA.
PEACE AND LOVE
November 29th, 2008 at 9:43 amAnd who says Karl gets a say? He and his buddies are going, going, gone.
November 29th, 2008 at 11:19 amYou know Timmeh, you ignorant chunk of stupid. IF we were interested in reruns of the Rush Limbaugh show we would listen to him.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:40 pmNOLIESPLEASE Says:
As a Canadian…
Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! – the trolls have now completely melted.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:56 pmOk, maybe that’s over exuberance on my part. I do thank you for speaking up to their nay saying about a health care system that covers all citizens and does not bankrupt the country.
Extremist right-wingers always think that moderate left-wingers are extremists. It’s hard to see where the political center actually is when you’re that far off one end of the spectrum.
We will do the same thing we did on Nov. 4th. Ignore them. Shut them out, and get on with the business of repairing the damage they’ve done to our nation.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:58 pmBottom line: we are a cowardice and ignorant group of people to allow a for profit corporation to dictate, profit, deny and exclude a basic right such as health care. All other industrialized nations provide an affordable health care as they know their citizens would be out in the streets if they pulled this for profit crap.
November 29th, 2008 at 4:20 pmHas anyone out there realized the ball has been dropped on curing life threatening diseases, such as AIDS, but erectile dysfunction and such has gotten the attention because of the profit.
We must rid ourselves of this scam for profit health care system.
November 29th, 2008 at 5:28 pmhad enough Says:
Has anyone out there realized the ball has been dropped on curing life threatening diseases, such as AIDS, but erectile dysfunction and such has gotten the attention because of the profit.
We must rid ourselves of this scam for profit health care system.
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I agree 100% I think some things are too important and the moral imperative of them should NOT be given over to for profit enterprises that put that profit motive OVER the moral imperative of peoples lives and well being
November 29th, 2008 at 5:50 pmPer Capita adjusted dollars:
United States: $5,267 on health care/ $2,364 is government spending.
Canada: $2,931 on health care / $2,048 is government spending.
France: $2,736 on health care / $2,080 is government spending.
The fact is, we Just can’t AFFORD to keep Wasting money on a BROKEN Healthcare system.
Can America Afford Healthcare for All?
November 30th, 2008 at 8:56 amhttp://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/29/12721/098/669/667518
We need a national health care system because we cannot keep paying more and more and recieve less and less. There are many people who would open a business and create some jobs if they were’nt locked into a lousy job just for the health care benefit. If America took care of America for once and quit blowing billions on other governments health care would be affordable to all concerned.
November 30th, 2008 at 11:10 amSorry, but the Canadian is not telling you the whole truth about government health care.
Government health care ALWAYS means rationed health care. You simply can’t get away from this one fact. For example, none of you here seem to be bothered by the very real issues of timely access to life-saving diagnostics under government health care systems such as Canada’s.
I’m sure most of you here vilify our drug companies as well. I have news for you – you are IGNORANT of what the best health care REALLY costs.
Do any of you have a clue as to why drugs cost so much here as opposed to Canada? Please try to answer just this ONE question!
November 30th, 2008 at 8:46 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Sorry, but the Canadian is not telling you the whole truth about government health care.
Government health care ALWAYS means rationed health care. You simply can’t get away from this one fact. For example, none of you here seem to be bothered by the very real issues of timely access to life-saving diagnostics under government health care systems such as Canada’s.
Health care itself would not be run by the government…the government would over see the corrupt for profit so called health care insurance…. example is medicare.
Over 50% of Our taxes goes towards to the pentagon…. we spend more on defense than all the countries put together. Think we could take some of that money, tax payer money, and begin helping the tax payers?
November 30th, 2008 at 9:36 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Sorry, but the Canadian is not telling you the whole truth about government health care.
Government health care ALWAYS means rationed health care. You simply can’t get away from this one fact.
And our current private insurance health care system is also rationed–more than 45 million Americans have no health care coverage at all.
So much for the rationing argument.
- Tom
November 30th, 2008 at 10:31 pmIs his editorial somehow surprising to anyone?
December 1st, 2008 at 12:20 amTim Vaculik Says:
Timmeh you complete moron. How can you be so ignorant and SO condescending at the same time? When will you face the FACT you are a bone ignorant, uninformed, brainwashed idiot who NEVER knows what you are talking about. You are also a liar and a fool FRANCE which has the Best rated healthcare in the WORLD is a national healthcare system. You just think things become true because you say them and because you were TOLD to believe them. You are simply a moron. Nice try shoehorning the talking point about medicine costing so much because big Pharma has to do research and development and YET they spend more on ADVERTISING than they do R&D you simpering baboon. Also a WHOLE lot of R&D is done with our TAX DOLLARS then GIVEN to big Pharma to make huge profits off of. The Pharmacuetical industry is one of the most profitable in the country and you are just a brainwashed FOOL, repeating the BS Rush TOLD you to think
December 1st, 2008 at 4:01 amTomR Says:
And our current private insurance health care system is also rationed–more than 45 million Americans have no health care coverage at all.
So much for the rationing argument.
- Tom
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Not to mention our healthcare is rationed right now by HMOs. The ONLY difference a national healtcare system would make even IF what Timmeh the moron said was true is that a beauracrat with NO financial stake in rationing would make the decisions instead of an HMO monkey whose JOB and financial benifit is to DENY and limit claims
December 1st, 2008 at 4:05 am