True enough Mark if Rush didnt say it, Timmeh hasnt heard of it

Tim Vaculik Says:
Keltoi,
I agree with just about everything you have posted on this thread.
I will add this: The enemy combatants we hold at Club Gitmo are NOT COVERED by the Geneva Conventions that apply to conventional P.O.W.’s, period.

We could have saved ourselves a lot of trouble if we had just EXECUTED them after capture as ENEMY SPIES who were not in uniform. We would have been within our rights and it would have been preferable to holding them with a chance some bleedignheart liberals would find a way to set them free someday.

Tim, I guess you’ve never heard of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Convention. Here’s the link – http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebART/375-590006. I bet you’ll be surprised by what it sez.

My bad-late nite crankiness got the better of me. I should have typed “how can we be substandard in the treatment of POWS compared to other members of NATO”.

I don’t mentally ascribe to a belief in imaginary third–or second–worlds (not like Timmeh Troll, Keltoi, bitbit, or Rapture)

And still a limp-wristed, Shrub-stroker.

A system of 24/7 c.y.a. for criminal activity is NOT something to be proud of, idiot, and is as far from acting “patriotic” as you could possible get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WugcAuQMP1s

Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist once.

The Phrygian Cap

Please name an all white third world nation. Then name a second world nation.

TYIA

chimpy is sadist and has a petty payback mindset.

Now he is making us all pay while he plays the fiddle.

John Kerrette (you sound like an ann coulter type to me), looks like you you put former interrogator in quotes to somehome imply hes not really a former interogator…do you really think the washington post would risk its credibility by releasing an editoral by someone whose identity they had not actually confirmed? come on..are you saying the Wapo just let some random guy write an editoral and didnt even check his credentials?

The Geneva Convention are the standards that we have said we would uphold and are agreed on by other countries that belong to the United Nations. Our current administration is in violation of those standards of decency, civility and basic human rights, especially in the handling of our prisoners of war.

How, I ask you, can we be SUBSTANDARD to countries we used to consider third world rated? Our standard of sheer human decency has been so lowered by the current administration that the taint of it will smear many future years of politic diplomacy no matter the nation we are negotiating with. That is unacceptable.

The prisoners in Gitmo are POWS and as such, should be treated accordingly–trial or release. They can not remain in that h*ll of a limbo for eternity. The only reason they have been there that long is because no one had the balls to really look into how badly everything had been handled or to ensure that everything had been handled legally from the get go. To torture on top of imprisonment is immoral.

We know it is wrong in both instances and it is inexcusable that those responsible get away with it. That’s like saying “here’s a few thousand plus murders but we don’t care who did it.”

Question: It is December of 2001, a President Al Gore has a couple thousand non-uniformed enemy combatants in his custody and he does….what? Give them all civilian trials?
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So what is your point exactly that it is too inconvienient to give them a trial? Are you kidding me THAT is your argument? I am not sensing much of a comittement to being a civilized society or the rule of law here. In our country the LAW is king NOT Bush, NOT Congress THE LAW. Either you have a commitment to justice or you dont. Saying well there are a LOT of them and it would be a lot of trouble is NOT a comittment to justice. IF we are to treat them as criminals then we must establish they are. NOTHING else is acceptable.

But where you are dodging me is what will Obama have to do to satisfy the Progressive sense of justice vis Gitmo?
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That is so simple. Either try them or treat them as POWs and let them go when hostilities cease in the mean time TREAT them as POWs.

Again, for those of you who haven’t got it yet:
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Timmeh when are you going to get that YOU are the most ignorant and uninformed hivemind moron ever to come down the pike. You combination of abject stupidity and condescension is astonishing in its level of self delusion. You are STUPID Timmeh. You arent going to teach us anything you are just going to regurgitate another rerun of the Rush Limbaugh show since HE or someone like him does ALL YOUR THINKING FOR YOU

Enemy combatants like the ones we are putting up at Club Gitmo are NOT enemy soldiers. They are also not criminals entitled to be tried in ANY U.S. Court of Law.
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You got your degree in Constitutional law WHERE again? My GOD you are ignorant. The SC of course disagrees with you and has recently SAID SO YOU MORON. This is actually simple any reasonably bright six year old could understand it. Of course it will still be WAY beyond you. Your galactic level of stupidity is an awe to behold. EITHER they are POWs, in which case they must be treated that way OR they are criminals which we must SHOW BY THE LAW. IF they are to be punished BY our law then they are entitled to go to COURT.

So what are they, exactly?
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I am more interested in what YOU are. As they are tried we will find out what THEY are. Some probably criminals others likely terrorists and most likely others completely innocent. What are YOU? A subhuman piece of garbage that is certain. I think that even YOU are entitled to a trial fortunatly for you astonishing ignorance, spectacular stupidity and the lack of a soul are not criminal. I pity anyone who has to endure even seconds of your putrid presence

EugeneDebs Says:
Timmeh I am shocked you know how to breathe you worthless piece of human debris

Even timmi has an autonomic nervous system which takes care of this for him.

What I find amusing is when they call us tree huggers or libs as if that were still a bad name. Truth is the world first, and now Americans have moved past the rhetoric of the conservatisim as a losing option for human beings.

Sad part is that our poor trolls have missed the bugle call to retreat. It is now “conservative” which is a bad word. No one I know is a conservative anymore….funny isn’t it.

Actually, I’m starting to have PANGS of guilt over my gluttonous carbon-based lifestyle!
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You SHOULD be ashamed for being YOU. You SHOULD be ashamed for shaming our whole country with your ignorance and your level of depravity and lack of a soul. You SHOULD be ashamed for embarassing our entire species with your ignorance and lack of decency. I can smell your soul rotting right through the computer screen the stench of your indecency stinks up our whole country.

funkmonkey,

And YES, Bush HAS committed WAR CRIMES!

Just because YOU don’t think so does not make it so!

Wow, I guess YOU must be the expert, then.
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Compared to you anyone with a functioning brainpan is an expert. You are too stupid to be taken seriously please stop breathing you are wasting oxygen that a higher lifeform could be using.

War Crimes? Hahahahahaha… don’t make me LAUGH!
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Timmeh that is pure projection YOU are the stupidest piece of garbage to ever walk the Earth. YES warcrimes. First prisoners are not exempt from the GC just because Bush says so. The GC says DIRECTLY that if there is a dispute a competent tribunal will make the decision we didnt do that. Also If the Nuremberg laws were applied Bush would be HANGED. The Supreme War Crime according to the Nuremberg tribunals which WE held was starting a war of aggression it is not a suprise you didnt know this since you are so stupid I am shocked you know how to breathe you worthless piece of human debris

I doubt anyone is suprised you are as demonstrably ignorant as you usually are nor that you show you dont have a shred of decency. Calling for outright murder though shows you are a subhuman cretin. You are of course WRONG that the Geneva convention does not apply to them. The GC says DIRECTLY that no one is beyond the reach of the law and there are other categories than uniformed soldiers. You of course are always too ignorant to know what you are talking about. Did you know that MOST of those at GITMO were NOT captured on the battlefield but rather were SOLD to us by the Afghani warlords for MONEY and we have nothing except their word these guys are guilty of ANYTHING much less terrorism. A JUDGE just let five of them go but YOU since you have no soul, no shred of decency no inkling of what integrity is would have America MURDER THEM as if we were al Queda or Nazi Germany. You are a sick subhuman pkece of garbage. Get professional help immedialy you sick bastard

Keltoi at Night Says:
Joe,
You are one step above Fred, who is 10 steps above RHF. You are slightly more obtuse than Bilbo.

I really thought I had been doing my part Joe…..guess I’ll have to try a little harder.

Maybe we should start a rating system for the few trolls we have left……

We could base it on their ability to speak about the realities of our world or thier ability to attempt to change that reality to suit their need.

On a scale of 1-10 I give keltoy a 2 because he casually engages on some threads so as to seem reasonable…..then there are nights like tonight.

Timmy goes into negative numbers…..he is as Ralph pointed out….just a cartoon figure like troll john kerry. As I read timmy’s posts I was actually visualizing him in a nazi uniform with a monacle and crop….Ralph nailed him.

Keltoi at Night Says:

As to the first: when the US routed the Taliban, there were several thousand prisoners. Some were AQ, some were Taliban…there were thousands to deal with. There was no government in Afghanistan. What were we supposed to do with them?

“Some were AQ, some were Taliban” AND SOME WERE INNOCENT CAB DRIVERS AND SHEEPHERDERS CAUGHT IN A DRAGNET OF BOUNTY-HUNTERS AND TRIBAL LEADERS.

Do you think your rhetorical question excuses the blatant abuses of international law that the Bush administration actively sought to justify?

As to the second, did we give civillian trials to German POWs? And they were captured in uniform, hence subject to Geneva convention rules. Are you saying AQ is entitled to the same treatment as soldiers wearing a national uniform? Have you read the Geneva conventions?

You guys really should pick an argument and stick with it. Clearly if you don’t want to extend Geneva protections to “enemy combatants” then they must be subject to civil adjudication, no?

Your argument appears to be that there are some people whose imprisonment is outside of any legal jurisdiction whatsoever, and that we got to decide who is in that category. Is that a fair assessment?

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keltoi is ted nugent.

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