Comments on: Unions Workers Sound Off On Chambliss: ‘He’d Be #1 On Trying To Bust The Union And Working Families’ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:23:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365474 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:35:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365474 I find it ironic that the union busters are talking about the slippery slope and how union organizers would become thuggish and coercive if the Employee Free Choice Act passes, because they stay silent when it comes to employers and their undue influence on the so-called "election" through intimidation, threats, and firings. I find it ironic that the union busters are talking about the slippery slope and how union organizers would become thuggish and coercive if the Employee Free Choice Act passes, because they stay silent when it comes to employers and their undue influence on the so-called “election” through intimidation, threats, and firings.

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365472 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:34:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365472 Cicero, what would you do about employers intimidating unions? Have you addressed that side of the issue? Perhaps if they weren't allowed to intimidate workers with impunity and the NLRB actually did its job, perhaps employee-employer relationships would be at a higher level. Yet, it is easy to scapegoat the unions for all of that isn't it? Cicero, would you support enforcing the law which makes it illegal to fire an employee for union activity? You guys are all about being fair and balanced, right? How come the employer has unlimited access to his or her employees but the unions do not have that same access? Cicero, what would you do about employers intimidating unions? Have you addressed that side of the issue? Perhaps if they weren’t allowed to intimidate workers with impunity and the NLRB actually did its job, perhaps employee-employer relationships would be at a higher level. Yet, it is easy to scapegoat the unions for all of that isn’t it?

Cicero, would you support enforcing the law which makes it illegal to fire an employee for union activity? You guys are all about being fair and balanced, right? How come the employer has unlimited access to his or her employees but the unions do not have that same access?

]]> By: Casual T http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365440 Casual T Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:26:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365440 I am from Georgia, and Suxby's win is definitely a crushing blow. To the perceived intelligence of Georgians (if such a thing actually exists), but far worse to the possibility of Congress being able to accomplish anything. I attended UGA and stayed on in Athens for 25 years, enjoying liberal, intellectual, and culturally rich atmosphere where Democratic ideals prevailed locally. But it was never enogh to stave off the votes of the rest of this bass-ackward state that spent far more time, money, and effort debating the State Flag than education, health care, and crime. I've been in culture shock ever since I moved back to the tiny little hillbilly town I grew up in to help care for my aging parents, surrounded almost entirely by ignorant, intolerant, racist meth-heads. Here's an example of dialogue one might expect to hear on any given day around these parts; "Brandy Jeen, me and yore Uncle Daddy has decided it's time fer you and yore half-stepbrother Chrisco to quit skool and get hitched and start birthin' us some grandcousins. That there fancy book lernin' ain't never not done no good for nobody in this family nohow. And we could shore enuff use the extry check to buy that plus-sized commode and flat screen TV for the master half-bath, so's I can watch rasslin' while my ex-lax diet is workin'. Now fetch me that jug of chocklit buttermilk and a handful of oxycontins. My dang diabeetus foot is hurtin' something fierce ever since I stepped on my teeth in the yard." Okay, maybe that's a little over-the-top, but unfortunately, not by much. I did discover the local Democratic Party headquarters and volunteer, which gave me some sense of normalcy. I also convinced my Baptist, conservative parents to turn off FoxNews and seek the actual truth to base their opinions on. I was utterly shocked (but overjoyed) when I picked my folks up to go vote and they told me they had both decided to vote Democratic for the first time in their lives! It may only be a small victory, but at least it's a step in the right direction, or maybe the left direction. So remember, even in a little podunk town so small that the City Limits sign are on opposite sides of the same post, there's at least a few of us trying to make a change, and hoping for the best, against all odds. Sorry to ramble on so long, but it's nice to finally have found a forum where I don't feel like a stranger in a strange, strange land. peace and much love, T. I am from Georgia, and Suxby’s win is definitely a crushing blow. To the perceived intelligence of Georgians (if such a thing actually exists), but far worse to the possibility of Congress being able to accomplish anything. I attended UGA and stayed on in Athens for 25 years, enjoying liberal, intellectual, and culturally rich atmosphere where Democratic ideals prevailed locally. But it was never enogh to stave off the votes of the rest of this bass-ackward state that spent far more time, money, and effort debating the State Flag than education, health care, and crime. I’ve been in culture shock ever since I moved back to the tiny little hillbilly town I grew up in to help care for my aging parents, surrounded almost entirely by ignorant, intolerant, racist meth-heads. Here’s an example of dialogue one might expect to hear on any given day around these parts; “Brandy Jeen, me and yore Uncle Daddy has decided it’s time fer you and yore half-stepbrother Chrisco to quit skool and get hitched and start birthin’ us some grandcousins. That there fancy book lernin’ ain’t never not done no good for nobody in this family nohow. And we could shore enuff use the extry check to buy that plus-sized commode and flat screen TV for the master half-bath, so’s I can watch rasslin’ while my ex-lax diet is workin’. Now fetch me that jug of chocklit buttermilk and a handful of oxycontins. My dang diabeetus foot is hurtin’ something fierce ever since I stepped on my teeth in the yard.”
Okay, maybe that’s a little over-the-top, but unfortunately, not by much. I did discover the local Democratic Party headquarters and volunteer, which gave me some sense of normalcy. I also convinced my Baptist, conservative parents to turn off FoxNews and seek the actual truth to base their opinions on. I was utterly shocked (but overjoyed) when I picked my folks up to go vote and they told me they had both decided to vote Democratic for the first time in their lives! It may only be a small victory, but at least it’s a step in the right direction, or maybe the left direction. So remember, even in a little podunk town so small that the City Limits sign are on opposite sides of the same post, there’s at least a few of us trying to make a change, and hoping for the best, against all odds. Sorry to ramble on so long, but it’s nice to finally have found a forum where I don’t feel like a stranger in a strange, strange land.

peace and much love, T.

]]> By: arco http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365420 arco Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:55:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365420 The CEO is just one person. If s/he makes $10,000,000 and there are 50,000 employees at the company, eliminating the CEO salary yields about $200 per employee per year. And I'm leaving out the thousands of retired employees receiving pensions and benefits. Not a lot of the company's money going to the CEO that would make a difference. I believe some of the CEO's of the auto companies are now reducing their salaries to $1 a year. Won't make a difference in their business model, but I guess it's a gesture of some sort. The CEO is just one person. If s/he makes $10,000,000 and there are 50,000 employees at the company, eliminating the CEO salary yields about $200 per employee per year. And I’m leaving out the thousands of retired employees receiving pensions and benefits.

Not a lot of the company’s money going to the CEO that would make a difference.

I believe some of the CEO’s of the auto companies are now reducing their salaries to $1 a year. Won’t make a difference in their business model, but I guess it’s a gesture of some sort.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365398 dbadass Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:17:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365398 arco: The whole MBA shit sort of bores me so I will have to trust your expertise on this one. How is it the the clearly documented growth of CEO and related top management packages has nothing to do with this? Please explain? Thanks... arco:
The whole MBA shit sort of bores me so I will have to trust your expertise on this one. How is it the the clearly documented growth of CEO and related top management packages has nothing to do with this? Please explain? Thanks…

]]> By: arco http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365388 arco Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:09:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365388 Unions are driving companies out of business. Soon, many state and city workers will face layoffs due to lucrative salaries and pensions that nobody ever did the math on. The country just can't afford to pay the sweet heart pensions. Rumor is GM will declare bankruptcy before Christmas, thus eliminating their pension obligations and allowing them to restructure and continue to make cars. Unions are driving companies out of business. Soon, many state and city workers will face layoffs due to lucrative salaries and pensions that nobody ever did the math on. The country just can’t afford to pay the sweet heart pensions.

Rumor is GM will declare bankruptcy before Christmas, thus eliminating their pension obligations and allowing them to restructure and continue to make cars.

]]> By: Cicero http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365268 Cicero Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:13:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365268 <blockquote>Oops, I believe this is Mr. President coming back with all his name changes today. Cicero, marcusmarcus, GOP, all Mr. P.</blockquote> Nope, just me. Later,

Oops, I believe this is Mr. President coming back with all his name changes today. Cicero, marcusmarcus, GOP, all Mr. P.

Nope, just me.

Later,

]]> By: the Lone Voice of Reason http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365192 the Lone Voice of Reason Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:26:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365192 Well. I don't think Cicero is bitbit or Rapture and here's why (other than the fact that he must know at least somewhat <em>who</em> Cicero was) "Man says God ordered him to ram vehicle at 100 mph" http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081202/ap_on_fe_st/odd100_mph_wreck;_ylt=AtmUnIVY6RB104MZud1q8J7tiBIF Explains why I haven't seen the little fellers on here in a while Well. I don’t think Cicero is bitbit or Rapture and here’s why (other than the fact that he must know at least somewhat who Cicero was)

“Man says God ordered him to ram vehicle at 100 mph”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081202/ap_on_fe_st/odd100_mph_wreck;_ylt=AtmUnIVY6RB104MZud1q8J7tiBIF

Explains why I haven’t seen the little fellers on here in a while

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365186 Shayne Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:07:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365186 Oops, I believe this is Mr. President coming back with all his name changes today. Cicero, marcusmarcus, GOP, all Mr. P. Oops, I believe this is Mr. President coming back with all his name changes today. Cicero, marcusmarcus, GOP, all Mr. P.

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365184 Shayne Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:06:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365184 Cicero Says: They were particularly incensed at Chambliss’s promise to demolish unions “[P]romise to demolish unions”? That sounds pretty bad. Let me click the link. Hmm. Oh, this references his promise to oppose doing away with the secret ballot system for establishing unions. That hardly sounds like something that would “demolish unions”. Later, Cicero Says:

They were particularly incensed at Chambliss’s promise to demolish unions

“[P]romise to demolish unions”? That sounds pretty bad. Let me click the link.

Hmm.

Oh, this references his promise to oppose doing away with the secret ballot system for establishing unions.

That hardly sounds like something that would “demolish unions”.

Later,

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365182 dbadass Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:05:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365182 Hey he won. If only I was more hillbilly I might have a cheap bottle of Chambliss to unscrew. Chambliss is a corkless Boonesfarm's rip off right? Hey he won. If only I was more hillbilly I might have a cheap bottle of Chambliss to unscrew. Chambliss is a corkless Boonesfarm’s rip off right?

]]> By: the Lone Voice of Reason http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365180 the Lone Voice of Reason Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:04:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365180 I want to roll up a newspaper and smack all of the people of Georgia in the head. What were they thinking that they allowed this misuse of human remnants to be re-elected? Thanksgiving is long over, why do they still want a turkey? (Course, one time when I visited Atlanta, I saw an ad for illiteracy <em>in a newspaper</em> so I figure they must be somewhat messed in the head down there) I want to roll up a newspaper and smack all of the people of Georgia in the head. What were they thinking that they allowed this misuse of human remnants to be re-elected? Thanksgiving is long over, why do they still want a turkey?

(Course, one time when I visited Atlanta, I saw an ad for illiteracy in a newspaper so I figure they must be somewhat messed in the head down there)

]]> By: ricchase http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365154 ricchase Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:27:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365154 This is what makes Georgia.....well....Georgia. Stupid, selfish rednecks and backwards hicks. What else did anyone expect from these "people"? A simple read of any newspaper would have convinced them not to vote for Scamliss. Wait...did I say read? Well. There's the problem. This is what makes Georgia…..well….Georgia. Stupid, selfish rednecks and backwards hicks. What else did anyone expect from these “people”? A simple read of any newspaper would have convinced them not to vote for Scamliss. Wait…did I say read? Well. There’s the problem.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365152 dbadass Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:14:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365152 Damn that ketamine! Later, Damn that ketamine!

Later,

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365150 dbadass Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:14:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365150 anyway. anyway.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365148 dbadass Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:13:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365148 Yeah Cicero. It is you. I apologize. Sometimes a single species elects to multiple common names. I myself don't really understand that whole thing but anyone. My mistake. Later, Yeah Cicero.
It is you. I apologize. Sometimes a single species elects to multiple common names. I myself don’t really understand that whole thing but anyone. My mistake.

Later,

]]> By: Cicero http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365146 Cicero Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:11:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365146 <blockquote>Isn’t there another poster that ends everything with later but then never leaves? Who was that again?</blockquote> I guess that'd be me. Later,

Isn’t there another poster that ends everything with later but then never leaves? Who was that again?

I guess that’d be me.

Later,

]]> By: EnnuiDivine http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365144 EnnuiDivine Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:11:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365144 I pity the people of Georgia: they just sent the most reprehensible chickenhawk the United States Senate has ever seen back for another six years. I pity the people of Georgia: they just sent the most reprehensible chickenhawk the United States Senate has ever seen back for another six years.

]]> By: citizen_pain http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365120 citizen_pain Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:36:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365120 right on. right on.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-5365116 dbadass Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:35:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/02/unions-georgia/#comment-5365116 40's are sort of below my pay grade. Still my spelling is sort of messed up. Maybe I need to cut down on the ketamine. 40’s are sort of below my pay grade. Still my spelling is sort of messed up. Maybe I need to cut down on the ketamine.

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