Comments on: Kristol: ‘We’ve won the war’ in Iraq. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:57:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Robt http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5368776 Robt Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:16:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5368776 Iraq's story is not finalized as yet. As far as winning? Kristol needs to explain what was won? And at what cost? Iraq’s story is not finalized as yet.

As far as winning?

Kristol needs to explain what was won?

And at what cost?

]]> By: republicanSScareme http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5366400 republicanSScareme Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:12:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5366400 Kristol added that he was proud to be the poster boy for ugly Zionists. Kristol added that he was proud to be the poster boy for ugly Zionists.

]]> By: Uncle Ho http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5366370 Uncle Ho Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:54:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5366370 If memory serves, in the Soviet Union, not only the offender was sent to the gulags, but also most, if not all his/her kinfolk. After all, they might be contaminated with treasonous thoughts as well. Just thinking about what to do with these monsters. If memory serves, in the Soviet Union, not only the offender was sent to the gulags, but also most, if not all his/her kinfolk. After all, they might be contaminated with treasonous thoughts as well.

Just thinking about what to do with these monsters.

]]> By: Uncle Ho http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5366088 Uncle Ho Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:06:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5366088 Nevar says: <em> Take him out deer hunting.</em> Yeah, with 5 deferment Dead-eye Dickhead Cheney. (:-D) Nevar says: Take him out deer hunting.

Yeah, with 5 deferment Dead-eye Dickhead Cheney. (:-D)

]]> By: CageyCretin http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5366044 CageyCretin Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:48:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5366044 He's a tool, and a willing (one might say, gleefully willing) tool of the propoganda machine that is behind the neocon movement. He is in PNAC. He may not be an intelligent part of the machinery, but he has been very useful. Multiple people spouting the same talking points ad nauseum is the baseline strategy of their propoganda, and it is an effective strategy for altering minds: particularly those already favorably disposed, and then those who are undecided but catch a few keywords that trigger empathy and then confuse the keyword empathy for empathy with the propoganda that is being thrown at them. This is all a part of the strategy of salvaging the Bush legacy, for whatever purposes (probably to do with Jeb). We "won the war" while Bush is still in office. They hope that the 20% will buy it pretty much without question, and hope to drag along a percentage of others. This isn't kristol spouting this crap on his own: he doesn't do that. This is a talking pont and propoganda strategy. It also can be used against Obama: "Look, Bush won the war, as we told you. Then Obama got in office and he lost the war." Note that Bush's 'legacy' is incomplete if he had to leave office without winning his 'war'. my $0.02 He’s a tool, and a willing (one might say, gleefully willing) tool of the propoganda machine that is behind the neocon movement. He is in PNAC. He may not be an intelligent part of the machinery, but he has been very useful. Multiple people spouting the same talking points ad nauseum is the baseline strategy of their propoganda, and it is an effective strategy for altering minds: particularly those already favorably disposed, and then those who are undecided but catch a few keywords that trigger empathy and then confuse the keyword empathy for empathy with the propoganda that is being thrown at them.

This is all a part of the strategy of salvaging the Bush legacy, for whatever purposes (probably to do with Jeb). We “won the war” while Bush is still in office. They hope that the 20% will buy it pretty much without question, and hope to drag along a percentage of others. This isn’t kristol spouting this crap on his own: he doesn’t do that. This is a talking pont and propoganda strategy. It also can be used against Obama: “Look, Bush won the war, as we told you. Then Obama got in office and he lost the war.” Note that Bush’s ‘legacy’ is incomplete if he had to leave office without winning his ‘war’.

my $0.02

]]> By: had enough http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5366032 had enough Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:43:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5366032 <em>‘We won the war’ in Iraq.</em> What a pathetic last ditch effort to bring some sort of positive legacy to the repugs. But on the other hand, maybe the neocons did win...as their bank accounts have grown. ‘We won the war’ in Iraq.

What a pathetic last ditch effort to bring some sort of positive legacy to the repugs.

But on the other hand, maybe the neocons did win…as their bank accounts have grown.

]]> By: zuch http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5366024 zuch Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:40:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5366024 <i>But [Kristol] and Mr. Rove both maintained that while the initial occupation was mismanaged, the surge of troops begun in 2007 has placed the U.S. on the cusp of victory in Iraq.</i> Now if FDR had only been that quick and competent in WWII in figuring out what was done wrong and trying to fix it, we would have ... ohhh ... waiddaminnit.... And just a FYI, Iraq is <i>still</i> a hell-hole (and pretty much the only place in the world I won't go do an on-site job right now, no matter what the pay). And if the U.S. had truly intended to hand over Iraq to Iran's buddies, they might have saved themselves some trouble by supporting Iran rather than Iraq back in the '80s, when Rummy was shaking hands with Saddam. Cheers, But [Kristol] and Mr. Rove both maintained that while the initial occupation was mismanaged, the surge of troops begun in 2007 has placed the U.S. on the cusp of victory in Iraq.

Now if FDR had only been that quick and competent in WWII in figuring out what was done wrong and trying to fix it, we would have … ohhh … waiddaminnit….

And just a FYI, Iraq is still a hell-hole (and pretty much the only place in the world I won’t go do an on-site job right now, no matter what the pay). And if the U.S. had truly intended to hand over Iraq to Iran’s buddies, they might have saved themselves some trouble by supporting Iran rather than Iraq back in the ’80s, when Rummy was shaking hands with Saddam.

Cheers,

]]> By: ctcadguy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5365990 ctcadguy Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:30:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5365990 Why is this fascist relevent? He has been wrong 100% of the time. Why is this fascist relevent?

He has been wrong 100% of the time.

]]> By: marlow http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5365978 marlow Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:26:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5365978 If that pathetic fiction, plus your inveterate thumb sucking helps you sleep at night, Bill, knock yourself out. If that pathetic fiction, plus your inveterate thumb sucking helps you sleep at night, Bill, knock yourself out.

]]> By: DaTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5365964 DaTruth Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:11:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5365964 I don't believe those lame belated declarations of victory. The have-mores along with all supporters of the idiot claim victory but look at the current state of this nation. There is nothing victorious about the illegal invasion of Iraq. No forgiving signs for the splurging and squandering of trillions of taxpayer money on a failed neverending war. A collapsing overlooked infrastructure along with a collapsing economy and how the world sees the US as a nation speaks louder than words. Who the hell is Kristol to claim victory? I don’t believe those lame belated declarations of victory. The have-mores along with all supporters of the idiot claim victory but look at the current state of this nation. There is nothing victorious about the illegal invasion of Iraq. No forgiving signs for the splurging and squandering of trillions of taxpayer money on a failed neverending war. A collapsing overlooked infrastructure along with a collapsing economy and how the world sees the US as a nation speaks louder than words. Who the hell is Kristol to claim victory?

]]> By: Nevar http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5365952 Nevar Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:01:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5365952 Take him out deer hunting. ;) Take him out deer hunting.
;)

]]> By: the brown acid http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5365946 the brown acid Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:58:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5365946 <strong>would love to meet this tool in the ring sometime. Should I invite him for a friendly match of pugilistic talents?</strong> would love to meet this tool in the ring sometime. Should I invite him for a friendly match of pugilistic talents?

]]> By: KaneJeeves http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5365942 KaneJeeves Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:51:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5365942 NOTE TO Think Progress: Why do you even present debate points to clowns like Kristol? Seriously, by debating, you legitimize him. It's like you're debating Dustin Hoffman's character in Rain Man. At some point you yourself look like a fool. Marginalize him by not even considering him a serious debator. NOTE TO Think Progress: Why do you even present debate points to clowns like Kristol? Seriously, by debating, you legitimize him. It’s like you’re debating Dustin Hoffman’s character in Rain Man. At some point you yourself look like a fool. Marginalize him by not even considering him a serious debator.

]]> By: nellieh http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5365918 nellieh Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:32:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5365918 What sacrifice, duty, selfless contribution did this lowlife do to earn the right to say, "we?" What sacrifice, duty, selfless contribution did this lowlife do to earn the right to say, “we?”

]]> By: hussein toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5365898 hussein toasterhead Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:22:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5365898 <em>tokin librul Says: Mr. O’s already said any pull-out from Iraq is gonna be mainly to refocus the military on Afghanistan. Afghanistan has broken the back of EVERY INVADING EMPIRE for 3000 years. That’s a home record better than OU under Stoops… December 3rd, 2008 at 11:35 am</em> ________ We know that. We knew that when we voted for the guy. The fact is that Afghanistan has been out of focus for far too long, and bad things happen when Afghanistan is left out of focus. Afghanistan is not going to be stabilized by dropping bombs on weddings from 15,000 feet. The current strategy is not working, and we're looking to Obama and his incoming team to refocus the Afghan war in a way that will undermine the growing influence of the Taliban. What's needed is not a "surge," nor a hands-off arming of warlords and tribal leaders like we did in Iraq. Afghanistan civil society needs to be built town-by-town and province-by-province so that the Afghan people can finally control their own destinies. It's not a military solution - it's a diplomatic and development one, but the military will have to play a role in building relationships with and between local government leaders. It's not a simple solution. It's not a magic bullet. But it needs to be done, or Afghanistan will just slip back into the kind of conflict we left it with after the Soviet invasion. tokin librul Says:

Mr. O’s already said any pull-out from Iraq is gonna be mainly to refocus the military on Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has broken the back of EVERY INVADING EMPIRE for 3000 years. That’s a home record better than OU under Stoops…

December 3rd, 2008 at 11:35 am
________

We know that.

We knew that when we voted for the guy.

The fact is that Afghanistan has been out of focus for far too long, and bad things happen when Afghanistan is left out of focus.

Afghanistan is not going to be stabilized by dropping bombs on weddings from 15,000 feet. The current strategy is not working, and we’re looking to Obama and his incoming team to refocus the Afghan war in a way that will undermine the growing influence of the Taliban. What’s needed is not a “surge,” nor a hands-off arming of warlords and tribal leaders like we did in Iraq.

Afghanistan civil society needs to be built town-by-town and province-by-province so that the Afghan people can finally control their own destinies. It’s not a military solution – it’s a diplomatic and development one, but the military will have to play a role in building relationships with and between local government leaders. It’s not a simple solution. It’s not a magic bullet. But it needs to be done, or Afghanistan will just slip back into the kind of conflict we left it with after the Soviet invasion.

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5365866 Leftside Annie Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:00:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5365866 Dayum!! You sure can spell "delusional" a whole buncha ways!! ;o) Dayum!! You sure can spell “delusional” a whole buncha ways!!

;o)

]]> By: tokin librul http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5365838 tokin librul Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:36:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5365838 <em>How do YOU spell “delusional”…? W-I-L-L-I-A-M-K-R-I-S-T-O-L</em> Well, that or C H A N G E... How do YOU spell “delusional”…?

W-I-L-L-I-A-M-K-R-I-S-T-O-L

Well, that or C H A N G E…

]]> By: bratboy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5365836 bratboy Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:35:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5365836 Kristol is a very, very stupid, stupid man. Just like other right-wingers. If we "won the war," why are not ALL our troops home? There would be no point in them still being over there. Send William the Bloody over there in there place. Kristol is a very, very stupid, stupid man. Just like other right-wingers.
If we “won the war,” why are not ALL our troops home? There would be no point in them still being over there. Send William the Bloody over there in there place.

]]> By: tokin librul http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5365834 tokin librul Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:35:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5365834 The US is NOT going to "pull out" of the Middle East. NO WAY. Mr. O's already said any pull-out from Iraq is gonna be mainly to refocus the military on Afghanistan. Afghanistan has broken the back of EVERY INVADING EMPIRE for 3000 years. That's a home record better than OU under Stoops... The US is NOT going to “pull out” of the Middle East.

NO WAY.

Mr. O’s already said any pull-out from Iraq is gonna be mainly to refocus the military on Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has broken the back of EVERY INVADING EMPIRE for 3000 years. That’s a home record better than OU under Stoops…

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-5365828 Leftside Annie Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:34:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/03/kristol-won-iraq/#comment-5365828 How do YOU spell "delusional"...? W-I-L-L-I-A-M-K-R-I-S-T-O-L How do YOU spell “delusional”…?

W-I-L-L-I-A-M-K-R-I-S-T-O-L

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