ThinkFast: December 3, 2008
ThinkFast: December 3, 2008
Former Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL) told Politico, “I am considering” a run for Senate, after Sen. Mel Martinez (R-FL) announced yesterday he would retire in 2010. “A lot of people are calling him and contacting him and encouraging him to look seriously at this,” a source close to Bush said. In an e-mail to ABC’s The Note, Bush wrote, “I am going to think about it for the next month or so.”
CNN reports that President-elect Barack Obama has a “hearty appetite for intelligence.” Obama is receiving intelligence briefings on all seven days of the week, “exceeding the six days given to President Bush.” Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell jokingly wondered aloud whether “there’s a little bit of competition” between the men.
Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson “was awarded a $4 million bonus in 2008” and was granted 225,000 shares of restricted stock. He will also receive a 10 percent increase in his annual salary in 2009, raising his base salary to $2.06 million.
Yesterday, federal prosecutors expanded the corruption indictment against former NYC police commissioner Bernie Kerik. “The main charges — that Kerik accepted free apartment renovations from a would-be city contractor, lied to the White House and filed false income tax returns — remain,” but the indictment adds new details regarding Kerik’s lies about his finances.
Yesterday, the White House approved “one of the most contentious” regulations officials are trying to push through in Bush’s final weeks in office, making it “easier for coal companies to dump rock and dirt from mountaintop mining operations into nearby streams and valleys.” Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Stephen Johnson argued that the new rule would “protect fish, wildlife and streams.”
Government unions are criticizing a White House executive order signed Monday that bars roughly 8,600 federal employees from joining a union “because they are engaged in intelligence gathering, investigations and other national security work.” Peter Winch of the American Federation of Government Employees called the move “an abuse of discretion in the last few days.”
According to a new annual report from the National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education, “[t]he rising cost of college — even before the recession — threatens to put higher education out of reach for most Americans.” Tuition and fees “increased 439 percent from 1982 to 2007″ while “students from lower-income families…get smaller grants from the colleges they attend than students from more affluent families.”
The poor state of the U.S. economy is helping the Army’s retention rate. In 2008, “more young members of the Army, Air Force and Navy decided to re-up” and Pentagon officials acknowledge that the “bad news for the economy” may have been “good news for the military.” “We do benefit when things look less positive in civil society,” said David Chu, undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness.
Obama will name Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM) as his commerce secretary at a press conference today in Chicago. Additionally, Obama has reportedly offered Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA) the position of U.S. Trade Representative, but a Becerra spokesperson said, “There’s no announcement.”
And finally: Although District and federal officials expect approximately four million people to descend upon the nation’s capital for Barack Obama’s inauguration, many Republican staffers are planning to “surrender the town for warmer weather and, in some cases, a nice profit.” GOP lobbyist Jason Roe said, “I am hoping to capitalize on the enthusiasm by renting my house for $2,000 a night and spending it in the Virgin Islands.” Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY) aide Gregory Keeley said he would unfortunately likely stay in town for work. “It’s not going to be my favorite place to be, put it that way,” Keeley said. “If there’s a horse out of Dodge, I’d like to be on it.”
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Saving the Big 3 for You and Me …a message from Michael Moore
Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008
Friends,
I drive an American car. It’s a Chrysler. That’s not an endorsement. It’s more like a cry for pity. And now for a decades-old story, retold ad infinitum by tens of millions of Americans, a third of whom have had to desert their country to simply find a damn way to get to work in something that won’t break down:
My Chrysler is four years old. I bought it because of its smooth and comfortable ride. Daimler-Benz owned the company then and had the good grace to place the Chrysler chassis on a Mercedes axle and, man, was that a sweet ride!
When it would start.
More than a dozen times in these years, the car has simply died. Batteries have been replaced, but that wasn’t the problem. My dad drives the same model. His car has died many times, too. Just won’t start, for no reason at all.
A few weeks ago, I took my Chrysler in to the Chrysler dealer here in northern Michigan — and the latest fixes cost me $1,400. The next day, the vehicle wouldn’t start. When I got it going, the brake warning light came on. And on and on.
You might assume from this that I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about these miserably inept crapmobile makers down the road in Detroit city. But I do care. I care about the millions whose lives and livelihoods depend on these car companies. I care about the security and defense of this country because the world is running out of oil — and when it runs out, the calamity and collapse that will take place will make the current recession/depression look like a Tommy Tune musical.
And I care about what happens with the Big 3 because they are more responsible than almost anyone for the destruction of our fragile atmosphere and the daily melting of our polar ice caps.
Congress must save the industrial infrastructure that these companies control and the jobs they create. And it must save the world from the internal combustion engine. This great, vast manufacturing network can redeem itself by building mass transit and electric/hybrid cars, and the kind of transportation we need for the 21st century.
And Congress must do all this by NOT giving GM, Ford and Chrysler the $34 billion they are asking for in “loans” (a few days ago they only wanted $25 billion; that’s how stupid they are — they don’t even know how much they really need to make this month’s payroll. If you or I tried to get a loan from the bank this way, not only would we be thrown out on our ear, the bank would place us on some sort of credit rating blacklist).
Two weeks ago, the CEOs of the Big 3 were tarred and feathered before a Congressional committee who sneered at them in a way far different than when the heads of the financial industry showed up two months earlier. At that time, the politicians tripped over each other in their swoon for Wall Street and its Ponzi schemers who had concocted Byzantine ways to bet other people’s money on unregulated credit default swaps, known in the common vernacular as unicorns and fairies.
But the Detroit boys were from the Midwest, the Rust (yuk!) Belt, where they made real things that consumers needed and could touch and buy, and that continually recycled money into the economy (shocking!), produced unions that created the middle class, and fixed my teeth for free when I was ten.
For all of that, the auto heads had to sit there in November and be ridiculed about how they traveled to D.C. Yes, they flew on their corporate jets, just like the bankers and Wall Street thieves did in October. But, hey, THAT was OK! They’re the Masters of the Universe! Nothing but the best chariots for Big Finance as they set about to loot our nation’s treasury.
Of course, the auto magnates used be the Masters who ruled the world. They were the pulsating hub that all other industries — steel, oil, cement contractors — served. Fifty-five years ago, the president of GM sat on that same Capitol Hill and bluntly told Congress, what’s good for General Motors is good for the country. Because, you see, in their minds, GM WAS the country.
What a long, sad fall from grace we witnessed on November 19th when the three blind mice had their knuckles slapped and then were sent back home to write an essay called, “Why You Should Give Me Billions of Dollars of Free Cash.” They were also asked if they would work for a dollar a year. Take that! What a big, brave Congress they are! Requesting indentured servitude from (still) three of the most powerful men in the world. This from a spineless body that won’t dare stand up to a disgraced president nor turn down a single funding request for a war that neither they nor the American public support. Amazing.
Let me just state the obvious: Every single dollar Congress gives these three companies will be flushed right down the toilet. There is nothing the management teams of the Big 3 are going to do to convince people to go out during a recession and buy their big, gas-guzzling, inferior products. Just forget it. And, as sure as I am that the Ford family-owned Detroit Lions are not going to the Super Bowl — ever —
I can guarantee you, after they burn through this $34 billion, they’ll be back for another $34 billion next summer.
So what to do? Members of Congress, here’s what I propose:
1. Transporting Americans is and should be one of the most important functions our government must address. And because we are facing a massive economic, energy and environmental crisis, the new president and Congress must do what Franklin Roosevelt did when he was faced with a crisis (and ordered the auto industry to stop building cars and instead build tanks and planes): The Big 3 are, from this point forward, to build only cars that are not primarily dependent on oil and, more importantly to build trains, buses, subways and light rail (a corresponding public works project across the country will build the rail lines and tracks). This will not only save jobs, but create millions of new ones.
2. You could buy ALL the common shares of stock in General Motors for less than $3 billion. Why should we give GM $18 billion or $25 billion or anything? Take the money and buy the company! (You’re going to demand collateral anyway if you give them the “loan,” and because we know they will default on that loan, you’re going to own the company in the end as it is. So why wait? Just buy them out now.)
3. None of us want government officials running a car company, but there are some very smart transportation geniuses who could be hired to do this. We need a Marshall Plan to switch us off oil-dependent vehicles and get us into the 21st century.
This proposal is not radical or rocket science. It just takes one of the smartest people ever to run for the presidency to pull it off. What I’m proposing has worked before. The national rail system was in shambles in the ’70s. The government took it over. A decade later it was turning a profit, so the government returned it to private/public hands, and got a couple billion dollars put back in the treasury.
This proposal will save our industrial infrastructure — and millions of jobs. More importantly, it will create millions more. It literally could pull us out of this recession.
In contrast, yesterday General Motors presented its restructuring proposal to Congress. They promised, if Congress gave them $18 billion now, they would, in turn, eliminate around 20,000 jobs. You read that right. We give them billions so they can throw more Americans out of work. That’s been their Big Idea for the last 30 years — layoff thousands in order to protect profits. But no one ever stopped to ask this question: If you throw everyone out of work, who’s going to have the money to go out and buy a car?
These idiots don’t deserve a dime. Fire all of them, and take over the industry for the good of the workers, the country and the planet.
What’s good for General Motors IS good for the country. Once the country is calling the shots.
Yours,
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:02 amMichael Moore
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According to a new annual report from the National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education, “[t]he rising cost of college — even before the recession — threatens to put higher education out of reach for most Americans.” Tuition and fees “increased 439 percent from 1982 to 2007? while “students from lower-income families…get smaller grants from the colleges they attend than students from more affluent families.”
The more educated a person, the more money they earn, the more taxes they pay (if they are honest and don’t hide it in offshore accounts), the more they buy/spend, and as a result – the more they contribute to the economy’s health. These people often contribute to progress and a lower homocide rate.
If we want a healthy economy, we have to make higher education not only affordable, but free. In the long run, it’s better for ALL Americans if we’re a highly educated nation.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:08 amDirector of National Intelligence Mike McConnell jokingly wondered aloud whether “there’s a little bit of competition” between the men.
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I doubt that “competing with Dubya” is what’s motivating Obama. It’s far more likely that he takes seriously the task of preparing for what will most likely be the most important job of his life. Furthermore, Obama no doubt visualizes the job as a full-time one, not just a part-time “do it when I feel like it” job.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:10 am…many Republican staffers are planning to “surrender the town for warmer weather and, in some cases, a nice profit.”
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And for a day — maybe two — our nation’s capital will be GOP free. Enjoy it while it lasts, folks!
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:19 amMichael Moore wants me to buy a crappy Chrysler? What good is a smooth riding Daimler undercarriage if the thing wont start?
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:26 amMichael Moore wants me to buy a crappy Chrysler?
Nope.
Try again.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:28 amYesterday, the White House approved “one of the most contentious” regulations officials are trying to push through in Bush’s final weeks in office, making it “easier for coal companies to dump rock and dirt from mountaintop mining operations into nearby streams and valleys.” Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Stephen Johnson argued that the new rule would “protect fish, wildlife and streams.”
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I read this item and it made no sense. I read the linked article and it made no sense, as we seem to be getting nothing but Orwellspeak from the White House (blasting mountaintops = protecting wildlife, dumping debris into streams = protecting streams, etc.)
I suspect that what’s going on here is that the rules are being changed to allow mining companies to blast the tops off mountains and put the debris wherever they feel like it. Then they added some language about standards for fish and other wildlife that will be certainly ignored, but allows the WH to market the plan as “protecting fish, wildlife, and streams” even though they will be getting far less protection than they do now.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:30 amI beg to disagree. There are those Americans who absolutely count on an uneducated populace to get elected!
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:30 amYesterday, the White House approved “one of the most contentious” regulations officials are trying to push through in Bush’s final weeks in office, making it “easier for coal companies to dump rock and dirt from mountaintop mining operations into nearby streams and valleys.”
So, if Bush without the consent of Congress can make these kinds of regulations, then Obama should be able to unmake them just as easily. Hopefully I am not missing something here.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:30 am“there’s a little bit of competition” between the men.
May Obama can challenge Bush to a pretzel-eating competition.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:30 amSenator Jeb Bush would add another criminal Bush to the Federal Government!
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:32 amMichael Moore wants to bail out Chrysler so other people can buy crappy cars…heh.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:32 amThe main reason the Big Three are under assault is to provide the compamies leverage to throw out the unions.
That’s the ONLY issue…
Throw out the Unions, and everybody now qvetching about the Big 3 would shut the phuque up…
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:34 amMay Obama can challenge Bush to a pretzel-eating competition while riding a segway. -DFTAG
Mashed your potatoes =P
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:34 amObama will name Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM) as his commerce secretary at a press conference today in Chicago.
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Another press conference?!? How many is that now, five? Ten? Twenty?
It’s like he’s trying to keep the public informed or something. That’s crazy talk!
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:36 amSo, if Bush without the consent of Congress can make these kinds of regulations, then Obama should be able to unmake them just as easily. Hopefully I am not missing something here.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:30 am
What you don’t seem to understand is that, though it is easy to cancel a rule or regulation, it is 10,000 times harder to re-institute them. They NEVER go back to the same strength they once had, if they can ever be resuscitated at all.
Regulations require bureaucracies to enforce them. Once the bureaucracy is disbanded, people go on to other jobs.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:37 amJust last night I pointed out that the US endured 3 recessions, three wars and history of the world record budget deficits under the first and second Bushes. Then I asked if anyone thought Jeb had a chance. It was a joke!
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:39 amFirst of all, I agree with Michael Moore. The Big 3 will wind up just pissing away any money provided to them and be back in a short time again with their hand out. Laying off 20,000 workers (and closing a number of U.S. plants by the way) is the LAST thing needed in this economy. Buy them out, fire the current executives (who “didn’t see this coming), and replace them with intelligent people who are capable of having vision. These companies, by the way, are already producing the kind of vehicles needed in the U.S. Problem is they are producing them overseas. Close THOSE factories and use the money to rebuild and retool the existing factories in the U.S.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:40 amMay Jebbie Bush/Sarah Palin be the Republican ticket in 2012. That hellish combination would make FDR v. Landen in 1936 look like a nailbiter.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:41 amMaybe Obama can challenge Bush to a pretzel-eating competition while riding a segway
The challenge for Bush would be to remember to eat the pretzels and ride the segway. And not the other way round.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:42 am#21. History wont matter to people. Jeb was for the most part loved, and he has the fake “christian” karma thing riding with and for him. Those two factors alone would make him a formidable opponent especially in the “christian” redneck infested panhandle and most places north of Interstate 4. He could campaign on all of the Rovian talking points, maybe mention how he fought for Terri Schiavo’s right to live in a vegetative state the rest of her existence, and he’d probably win overwhelmingly. Consider what happened yesterday when a self-important fascist from Georgia won the Senate election. It would be even easier for Jeb.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:47 am“A lot of people are calling him and contacting him and encouraging him to look seriously at this,” a source close to Bush said.
Why do a lot of people hate America?
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:48 amThe unions arent the problem as they are only about 8% of the cost of a assembling a vehicle its the other 92% of the cost of the vehicle thats mismanaged. Why the big three got involved, heavily, in derivatives gambling. If they want to gamble thats fine, but get out of the automotive industry before doing so.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:49 amYeah, right: Bush got/gets 6 intelligence briefings a week and what are they worth when he won’t look at anything longer than a page?
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:50 amDirector of National Intelligence Mike McConnell jokingly wondered aloud whether “there’s a little bit of competition” between the men.
What competition? Bush is an idiot. Obama is not. No competition.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:51 amI wonder how Mel Martinez likes having been engineered out of his Senate seat in order to make space for Jeb Bush to run? This family just needs to go away now. Unfortunately, his chances of winning in Florida are high. He was a very popular governor, and unlike his older brother, actually knew something about governing. IF GW had been impeached OR if he is actually prosecuted for war crimes in the near future, it could end Jeb’s (or any Bush family member) chances of holding office. I have no doubt that the “Bush Legacy Project” is partly being done on behalf of Jeb.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:59 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
So, if Bush without the consent of Congress can make these kinds of regulations, then Obama should be able to unmake them just as easily. Hopefully I am not missing something here.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:30 am
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It is with the consent of Congress – the Clean Water Act of 1977. It was under the Clean Water Act that the Office of Surface Mining first adopted the Stream Buffer Zone Rule in 1983, under President Reagan. This new action is just a rewriting of an existing regulation already in the jurisdiction of the Department of the Interior and the EPA.
So it should be easy for the Obama administration to re-reverse the rule, but it may have to go through the regulation/public comment process again – I don’t know if it’s a simple stroke-of-the-pen maneuver.
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:59 amJeb actually might have a chance at a Senate seat from Florida — one of the few political options open to him at the moment. Because of his tenure as governor, the voters in Florida know him, and will be more likely to judge him on his record and his merits, and less likely to compare him to his father and brother. Add to that his running for a seat held by a retiring member of the same party, and the tradition that mid-term elections often swing towards the party NOT in the WH.
It will still be an uphill battle. Florida went blue in 2008 after voting for Dubya in 2000 (yeah, yeah, I know) and 2004. And even in Florida, the name “Bush” will still be enough to turn off independents and moderates — even allowing for short attention spans. And he can’t get elected with the hard-core GOP base alone. Heck, even the Cubans can’t be taken for granted as being automatically red anymore. If Jeb’s smart, he won’t ask his brother to campaign for him.
Even if Jeb does get elected Senator, that will be the end of the line for him. He can thank his brother for poisoning the well for national office, or even for his gaining any prominence in the Senate. After FDR defeated Hoover in 1932, it was 20 years before the GOP regained the White House. And they still distanced themselves from Hoover. After Nixon, it only took the Republicans six years to get it back, but very few from the Nixon days had any role in it (Haig and Kissinger were two who survived — and even they wouldn’t have if either of them had the name “Nixon”).
The Republicans will regain the White House someday. But they will have to reinvent their party to do it, and anybody named “Bush” will be relegated to the back row.
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:08 amYesterday, the White House approved “one of the most contentious” regulations officials are trying to push through in Bush’s final weeks in office, making it “easier for coal companies to dump rock and dirt from mountaintop mining operations into nearby streams and valleys.”
Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Stephen Johnson argued that the new rule would “protect Mining companies, mining executives & mining lobbyists.”
Bushspeak unraveled…
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:13 amNot only is Barack Obama having numerous press conferences, and keeping the public informed, he is also receiving more intelligence briefings than Bushie himself — who does this guy think he is, the guy who will soon be president?
America will have to get used to a man who speaks intelligently in complete sentences, who keeps the public up to speed on his decisions, and wants to hear all sides of important issues as he studies them. WOW. To those who say Obama is not changing much, I say change has already come to America, in a big way.
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:18 amTop 10 Favorite Bush Moments on David Letterman.
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:21 amSeems Daryll’s been chatting it up again
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:24 amhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081202/ap_on_fe_st/odd100_mph_wreck;_ylt=AhKiA6R5VIx3epYm5vbFLN3tiBIF
According to a new annual report from the National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education, “[t]he rising cost of college — even before the recession — threatens to put higher education out of reach for most Americans.”
1982, huh? Reagan sure got a quick start on cutting off the American dream to all but the top 1%. Am I the only one holding the opinion that as the cost of college rises the quality of the student body declines (kids coming to college not to learn and appreciate the halls of higher ed, but to drink and flaunt their parent’s money)?
Those who truly deserve to go to college and appreciate college are increasingly unable to go. This is a severe blight on our democracy.
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:29 amre Jeb Bush and his Senatorial aspirations:
Let’s hope the people of Florida take a long hard look at the Bush family legacy before allowing this idiot into the Senate. Most serious for Jeb of late are his ideas on forming a shadow government in light of the recent Republican massacre at the polls-
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/jeb_bush_interview/2008/11/30/156557.html
Pappy Prescott Bush-War profiteer during WWII. Was integral in an attempted coup of the American Gov’t. Was involved with the Pioneer Fund, an early eugenics research group that among other goals, hoped to prove scientifically that “negros were inferior”.
Jonathan Bush (brother of George H.W.) was a Division President at Riggs Bank, which collapsed in 2004 after paying $41 million in fines for money-laundering and fraud. Riggs concealed illicit transactions for Saudi royals andformer Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet. Riggs Bank held the account of Saudi Arabia’s US Ambassador Prince Bandar for whom Jonathan was longtime financial adviser, and whose wife sent more than $80 thousand in Cashiers’ checks to a San Diego address, that wound up funding two of the 9/11 hijackers.
William H.T. “Bucky’’ Bush (another brother of George H. W.) made more than $2.7 million through the sale of a company, Engineered Support Systems Inc., with millions of dollars in Iraq war contracts. He was also cited by the SEC for withholding bad news from shareholders while he cashed stock options worth $450,000.
George H.W.Bush-Involved with the CIA during the Bay of Pigs, longtime friend of the Bin Laden family, broker of the Iran/Contra scandal and deeply involved in the cover-uop with Dick Cheney.
George W. Bush-AWOL during his Texas Air National guard stint, two stolen elections, ignored warnings leading up to 9/11, started illegal war in Iraq, coddled his Saudi friends despite evidence of involvement in 9/11, more more profiteering for oil buddies, contractor friends. Ignored warnings and sat on the sidelines through two recessions, ignored Katrina victims, politicized every facet of gov’t, illegal wiretapping, torture etc.
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:35 amDirector of National Intelligence Mike McConnell jokingly wondered aloud whether “there’s a little bit of competition” between the men.
The man is a complete ass (mcconnell).
President-ELECT Obama is doing what chimpy should have done. There isn’t any competition between an idiot and a thinker.
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:52 amSay what you will about Michael Moore.
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:14 amLike him or not.
The futher mucker is extremely intelligent!
Well if Jeb does run look for a repeat of 2000 with voters being denied, fixed machines and threats. This would be a dream come true another idiot Bush in office and maybe his next stop is the White House to finish the mission his brother started. Cheney can be his VP and push the US to full Economic Depression. Now all Jeb needs is to say God wanted him to be President and Americans will put him in office.
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:19 amMy gawd, do these fascist pigs live forever ?
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:34 amGosh, Jeb Bush sure is a “lucky” guy. Just when the Bush name is in the dumper and they have no capital, Mel Martinez, a first-term Senator, strangely decides to quit which of course opens the door to Jeb for his seat. Sorry, but with their history, I don’t believe in “luck” when it comes to the Bush family. The fix is in to rehabilitate the Bush name with Jeb.
December 3rd, 2008 at 12:48 pmSenile Bush senior should be ashamed of the mess his spoiled brat ‘W’ has made. ‘Bush’ means failure, failed economy, failed war, failed legacy. You have got to be stupid to let another Bush in the White House.
December 3rd, 2008 at 1:35 pmJeb Bush as a senator. LOL. Must be the Onion or the Yes Men having fun with us.
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:22 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
I love my 2006 Chrysler. Best car I have ever owned.
I love my 2005 Chrysler 300 :)
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:04 pm.” Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Stephen Johnson argued that the new rule would “protect fish, wildlife and streams.”
December 3rd, 2008 at 8:59 pmSo why dont you ,Mr. Johanson, go there and live with the fortunate wildlife.
Are you stupid or something?…………..YES you are.