Rice claims that removing Saddam Hussein was ‘a great strategic achievement.’
By on Dec 7th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Rice claims that removing Saddam Hussein was ‘a great strategic achievement.’
On Fox News Sunday this morning, host Chris Wallace asked Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice if it “pains” her that the United States went to war in Iraq under “mistaken premises.” “Of course, I would give anything to be able to go back and to know precisely what we were going to find when we were there,” Rice said, but ultimately, she added that removing Saddam Hussein from power will be seen as a strategic success:
RICE: I still believe that the overthrow of Saddam Hussein is going to turn out to be a great strategic achievement, not just for the Bush administration, but for the United States of America, because now in the place of a country that has long been at the center of Middle East politics as a bulwark against Iran.
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Yup – “great” if you intended to distract people from asking real questions about who was behind 9/11 and even GREATER if you were part of the military-industrial complex (of which oil is a major component.
What many fail to realize is how we increasingly have a military-industrial-MEDIA complex.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:02 pmGet bent, Condi.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:04 pmnot an honest bone in her body.
anytime Rice, Bush, Cheney, Rove (the little turd) etc. open their mouths, BS spews forth. so easy and simple to fact check.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:14 pmCondi’s comment demonstrates all too well her failings both as NSA and as SecState through its confused syntax and befuddled thinking. She never addresses the question of just how eliminating Saddam Hussein is supposed to be a strategic success for the United States. Rather, she merely asserts, without proof, that Iraq will be friendly toward the US because it signed a SOFA which did not grant one condition the Bush administration had insisted on initially and secured the one condition the Bush administration had warned would cause disaster in the Middle East — US departure on a date certain. Iraq’s signing of the SOFA hardly demonstrated a friendly posture toward the US and the current Iraqi governments tilt toward Iran actually damages the US posture in the Gulf region. Rice has shown just how feckless and dangerous her role in this debacle has been. Let’s bundle her up and ship her to The Hague on January 20th.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:16 pmShe is an A1 liar.But what’s more disguating is to see ‘em appear on tv & try to hamstrung the incoming Admin with the old rethoric that Iran must be made to suffer the consequence.Their policies have failed big time but they are still churning garbage.How shameful.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:18 pmRice claims that removing Saddam Hussein was ‘a great strategic achievement.’»
December 7th, 2008 at 1:21 pm– - Really? Then on CNN she says SHE was partly responsible for the Iraq quagmire.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
Sec. Rice says;
… because now in the place of a country that has long been at the center of Middle East politics as a bulwark against Iran.
Is What…an Islamic Shiite Dominated Govt. friendly to Iran???
This quote is incomplete and makes no sense. Did she actually say that????
December 7th, 2008 at 1:21 pmI just pray that Obama doesn’t decide to keep her around like many have speculated. I am sure it won’t happen, but it is something to be concerned about.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:21 pmJan 20th just can’t get here soon enough.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:22 pmHorse Hockey! Shia dominated Iraq is aligned with Shia ruled Iran. George W. opened a hornet’s nest in the Middle East, Sunni vs. Shia aligned governments. Add America’s BFF Israel to the mix and the situation gets explosive.
Cut the spin Condi. Your reign is melamine tainted dog food. Thank heaven the expiration date looms.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:25 pmI’m surprised she didn’t add that enormous debt and tremendous unemployment will help the United States in the long haul.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:28 pm..bulwark against Iran.
WTF? Bush & Co. have to sneak into Iraq under heavy cover while Amadinejad flies in to cheers and a red carpet welcome.
Sounds like it’s a bulwark agsint the USA.
Good job, Chimp enabler Condi.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:31 pmThat’s one high-gloss turd-polishing.
I can see myself.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:32 pmJust fricking go away!!!
December 7th, 2008 at 1:35 pmThe “legacy” of bushco is that they had an agenda from the start and never allowed critical thinking to occur. If democratic governement is to fail, it will be due to the system of checks and balances being eliminated. Bushco has come close. This should be a lesson to Americans about the value and need for dissent in our form of government.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:37 pmwell, seems there’s been a number of official reports that indicated that our invasion/occupation of Iraq actually strengthed Iran and their influence in the region. And that SOFA agreement would never have flown if there weren’t the concessions in it that Iran approved of. These people are just in complete denial. I will be so glad to be able to change my moniker after Jan. 20th of 2009!
December 7th, 2008 at 1:37 pmFunny, Dr. Mushroomcloud — you seemed very certain of the Saddam threat when you were selling the war.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:39 pmHey connie, do you remember the ‘no fly zone?’, bush made it into the ‘dead zone’. Just great.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:39 pmA War of agression is an internatinal crime. The reason given by this criminal administration to invade and occupy Iraq was bogus, false and manipulated. They Lied to the World and the American people. Rice is a WAR CRIMINAL and should be directed imediatly to the Hague! HAGUE 2009 for the entire Bush administration! I hope this dispeakable woman will be hanged by JUSTICE one day! If these criminals walk away from these war crimes, the USA will never ever be respected and trusted again!
December 7th, 2008 at 1:49 pmAnother Joe Says:
I just pray that Obama doesn’t decide to keep her around like many have speculated. I am sure it won’t happen, but it is something to be concerned about.
Huh? Many have speculated what?
Are you sure you haven’t confused her with Susan Rice?
December 7th, 2008 at 1:53 pmNope and when I say “many”, I am not referring to here.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:53 pmWe are not safer. It cannot be considered a success.
December 7th, 2008 at 1:54 pmRemember, the administration is now trying to lay the foundation for the lies that will be used to cover up their criminality and provide a foundation to shift blame.
At this point, everything is CYA!
December 7th, 2008 at 1:55 pmAnother Joe Says:
Nope and when I say “many”, I am not referring to here.
Could you point to this speculation?
December 7th, 2008 at 2:10 pmCut the bull shite, will ya, Rice? You wish you could go back and know what you were going to find? You knew exactly what you would find going in. Your own words, from 2001:
But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let’s remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.
More from The Memory Hole:
There you have it. Four to seven months before 9/11–and just 15 to 18 months before the drive to attack Iraq seriously revved up–the Secretary of State [Powell] and the National Security Advisor trumpeted that Iraq had a decimated military, no “significant capabilities” regarding WMD, and was so feeble that it couldn’t even threaten the countries around it with conventional military power.
Rice, you are a damn liar.
Source: thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm
December 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pmremoving dur chimpfurher’s sorry-ass and the rest of the criminal cabal is an even greater “strategic achievement”.
December 7th, 2008 at 2:34 pmI can not nor will I accept the thought that Obama and his team would ever entertain keeping bull shit bush’s mistress ‘Dead eye’s rice”….Any street walker would have more integrety than this evil madam…..Blessings
December 7th, 2008 at 2:36 pmgummich – same crowd that said that colon powell would play a rolls.
I suppose this was largely fueled by they way each indicated support for obama.
Things like this also make some wonder:
These are not the words or actions of someone that expects to be totally uninvolved in a few weeks.
But no, they may indicate nothing more than these folks talk brash even when they can’t back it up.
December 7th, 2008 at 2:38 pmUtter garbage. The legacy will be, rather than a “bulwark” against Iran, Iraq’s policies will only differ from Iran’s by one consonant.
December 7th, 2008 at 2:45 pm“I still believe that the overthrow of Saddam Hussein is going to turn out to be a great strategic achievement, not just for the Bush administration, but for the United States of America”
And this is as good an indication as any of why she is unfit for either of the positions in which George Bush placed her. But it’s also a vivid illustration of why she fit in so well with the Imperial Presidency crowd.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:03 pmGive it a rest, CondiLiar.
It’s a glossover, and everyone with two eyes can see that. Go back to Stanford and shove it down the throats of hapless undergrads who need to curry favor. With luck and a bit of courage, they’ll reject this BushCo pile of horseshit too.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:04 pmSomething just dawned on me as I looked at the background of the set while Fang was talking – who will Fixed Noise get for interviews after January 20, 2009? This will mark the end of an endless parade of the faithful clammoring to be on Rupert’s airwaves.
It almost feels refreshing now that I think of it longer.
December 7th, 2008 at 3:09 pmSounds like Condi Rice has been inflicted with Sarah Palin disease – she’s over 40 years old, but the crap coming out sounded like a two year old!
December 7th, 2008 at 3:19 pmHey Condi Lier, what were those secret meeting in the White House? Yah know, those dealing with TORTURE that you so happily chaired! WAR CRIMINAL!!!!!!
December 7th, 2008 at 3:31 pm4209 dead american soldiers. Two million dead iraqui civilians, a FIASCO in the Middle East, a crumbling economy, war crimes! That is Bush’s legacy!
December 7th, 2008 at 3:35 pm…not to mention the laughing stock that the USA has become! Talking about legacy!
December 7th, 2008 at 3:36 pmHey Condi Rice, why don’t you get a ‘Mushroom cloud’ and stick it up your…
December 7th, 2008 at 3:40 pmIt was this stupid Bush licker that was responsible for the failures on 9/11. Period.
She was warned.
She was warned more that once.
She ignored the warnings. Why?
The warnings were from the Clinton administration during the transition.
And the idiots like Dr. Rice were too busy hating the Clintons to pay attention to saving American lives.
She is THE SINGLE FAILURE that led to the creation of the DHS.
We DID NOT NEED A DHS UNTIL SHE FAILED COMPLETEY AT HER VERY SIMPLE JOB!
Her job?
Just coordinate the intelligence and advise the President.
SHE FAILED AT WRITING REPORTS AND REPORTING!!!!!!
What a Looser!
3000+ people died because she couldn’t get her head around the title, “Bin Laden Determined To Strike In US”
Why did she do this?
Clinton hatred!
How much money was wasted hating Clintons in the ’90’s when the dumbass RePugniScums in Congress could have been going after terrorist?
Millions upon millions.
When you see the name Condi Rice just remember that she screwed us good with 9/11.
When you think about 9/11 just remember the Clinton hatred that was everywhere even though we already had a WTC attack on the books! The RePugniScums could care less about terrorism under Clinton. They wanted Clinton impeached more than protecting Americans.
When you hear the letters DHS think Condi Rice the looser and Clinton hater. She’s the complete and abject failure as DNS that caused the founding of the DHS to cover her multiple failures.
December 7th, 2008 at 4:00 pmMore delusion & lies from the Bush admin. The most dishonest attempt at a legacy ever.
December 7th, 2008 at 4:05 pmI’d really like to know what is the “historic agreement with the US establishing a long-term relationship, ah ah ah, as well as the SOFA” to which she refers. If I were a member of the US Senate I sure as all hell would want to know. I might also ask just what were the 3 wars into which Saddam Hussein allegedly “dragged” the US.
December 7th, 2008 at 4:08 pmAnother Joe Says:
I just pray that Obama doesn’t decide to keep her around like many have speculated. I am sure it won’t happen, but it is something to be concerned about.
Joe, if you are going to make this kind of statement, please back it up. “Many have speculated,” is meaningless, especially if you are going to say it’s something we all need to be “concerned” about. Post a link or two. Otherwise, it just sounds like paranoia. As for my opinion of Condi, she’s as deep in the weeds as the other Bush administration “senior officials” who did all they could to mislead and lie to the American people to get us into Iraq. She’s another of the war criminals, who I hope to God are prosecuted and punished accordingly. If not in the U.S. (which would be a HUGE mistake not to do so), but in the ICC at the Hague.
December 7th, 2008 at 4:15 pmtexasbob Says:
I’d really like to know what is the “historic agreement with the US establishing a long-term relationship, ah ah ah, as well as the SOFA” to which she refers. If I were a member of the US Senate I sure as all hell would want to know. I might also ask just what were the 3 wars into which Saddam Hussein allegedly “dragged” the US.
There is a section in the SOFA that refers to a long-term security agreement, which I’ve pointed out several times over the last couple of weeks. It is clearly a “treaty,” and needs the agreement of Congress. Check out Article 27 of the attached.
As far as the “three wars” that Saddam “dragged us into,” the only one that could possibly qualify for that description would be the Gulf War in 1991. The other two I assume are Afghanistan (against using the false tie between 911 and Iraq) and the third, the illegal and “preventative” attack against Iraq in 2003. Again, all I can say is Rice is a war criminal as well as a number of others within the Bush administration and should be prosecuted accordingly.
December 7th, 2008 at 4:23 pmWhoops – meant to post the link to the SOFA.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/story/56116.html
December 7th, 2008 at 4:23 pmA great strategic achievement…
December 7th, 2008 at 6:44 pm…and the worst tactical failure since Vietnam.
dixie blood ,
She did nothing is a wrong notion of what really happened on that day.
December 7th, 2008 at 6:48 pm9/11 was an inside job! Period!
WTC1, 2 , 7 came down by controlled demolition. The Pentagon was hit by a US missile.
She knew what was coming! Waterboard her, she has information we all need!
Isn’t Rices’ statement an admission of a war of aggression?
December 7th, 2008 at 6:58 pmAnd let me introduce you to the 7 foot Bunny Rabbit named Charlie.
December 7th, 2008 at 7:14 pmPoor Condi, she needs a man. Or a woman. Because she is one uptight cookie!
December 7th, 2008 at 7:34 pmMapleStreet, isn’t his name Harvey?
December 7th, 2008 at 8:04 pmAccording to the sixteen intelligence agencies of the U.S.A., it has made us LESS safe! Did you not know this, Condi, or have you just come to realize that you can get by in the mainstream media with any lie—they will not call you on it? You told us in early 2001 that Saddam was well contained and a threat to noone. Powell also said this.
December 7th, 2008 at 8:04 pmCondi Rice was the Bush administration’s national security adviser on 9/11, the date of the greatest intelligence failure in American history. Why wasn’t she fired?
Condi Rice read the same Aug. 6th, 2001 PDB that was briefed to Bush, which was entitled: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S..”
One month later, one week before the 9/11 attacks, Condi Rice convened the first and only cabinet-level counter-terrorism principals’ meeting the Bush administration held before 9/11, at which, according to Rice, Bush’s overall Middle East strategy was discussed, which is Bush-speak for they discussed invading Iraq and ousting Saddam Hussein, with hardly any mention being made of the al Qaeda terrorist threat and all the warning signs of an impending domestic terrorist attack. Why wasn’t Rice fired after the 9/11 attacks happened one week later?
Look at India in the aftermath of Mumbai. Officials resigning. People accepting responsibility. People being held accountable.
Why wasn’t Rice fired or why didn’t she resign in disgrace after 9/11?
Oh, right, the 9/11 attacks were all President Bill Clinton’s fault. I forgot. Silly me.
That is, I forgot the childish response of the Bush officials and their right-wing pundit flacks, who still try to blame the previous Democratic administration for the worst intelligence failure in American history, even though the Bush administration had been in charge of national security (with Condi Rice as the chief national security adviser to Bush) for over eight months when 9/11 happened.
The Bush administration (and Condi Rice) blew off all the “hair on fire” warning signs in the Spring of 2001.
When this “crack” group of Republicans entered the White House in January 2001, they immediately demoted the counter-terrorism chief, Richard Clarke, refusing to let him sit in on cabinet-level meetings, which he had previously, under Clinton, been chairing three times a week to coordinate courter-terrorism efforts among top officials from among our nation’s law enforcement and intelligence agencies.
Condi Rice held only one such counter-terrorism cabinet-level meeting one week before the 9/11 attacks. Why wasn’t she fired?
In early 2001, Bush’s Attorney General, John Ashcroft, downgraded the al Qaeda terrorist threat level at the Justice Department below Ashcroft’s higher priorities of going after prostitutes, pornographers and druggies. In mid-August, FBI field agents in the Midwest arrested one of the bin Laden-selected 9/11 hijackers at a Midwest flight school after he drew suspicion because he only wanted to learn how to fly 747s (in the air), but wasn’t interested in learning how to take off or land one. Flight school instructors tipped off the FBI. He was arrested. The FBI field agents desperately wanted to search this guy’s personal effects. They repeatedly petitioned FBI headquarters (under Ashcroft and a bunch of Republican political appointees), but these urgent pleas before 9/11 by these FBI field agents fell on deaf ears. These patriotic FBI field agents even went so far as to try to bypass Ashcroft’s stonewalling Justice Department by having this guy deported to England, where his personal effects could be searched when he passed through customs. This was to happen on 9/11. A day to late, and 3,000 innocent lives short.
But the strangest thing about this Ashcroft/Justice Department stonewalling of these Midwest FBI field agent requests for a search warrant is that Ashcroft and the Republican-controlled Justice Department could have invoked FISA, preemptively searched this guy’s personal effects (without a search warrant) and then gone to the FISA court within 48 hours (per FISA provisions) to justify this preemptive search. But Ashcroft and the Republicans running our Justice Department apparently so despised FISA that they refused to do this…and the 9/11 hijacker plot was left undiscovered in the weeks leading up to 9/11. Why wasn’t Ashcroft fired, as well as all the Republican political hacks at Justice?
And now Condi Rice is lecturing us on how “critical” the removal of Saddam Hussein was to stability in the Middle East, even as Iran’s influence has expanded enormously since the ouster of Hussein and the Baathists from power in Iraq, including Iran’s influence inside Iraq itself. Why hasn’t Rice been fired yet? Only a complete idiot would listen to her advice. Oh right, she was national security adviser to George W. Bush, wasn’t she? I forgot, there was and is one complete idiot willing to listen to her. What hasn’t she been fired yet…or impeached from holding any position in our government ever again?
December 7th, 2008 at 8:56 pmHow pathetic Dubya and Condi’s “wish we had better intelligence” spin is!
Why do you think your approval level is in the hopper, Dubya!?!
Because finally America woke up to what the rest of the world has known for a long, long time….
The Iraq war was started so your Vice President’s company, Halliburton, could snatch up all the no bid contracts and Cheney could rake in trillions! He’ll walk off into the sunset with all the spoils of war.
How do you all sleep at night with so much blood on your hands?
Just sickening!
…..and put a lid on all the spin!
Hope Republicans never get elected to office ever, ever again!
December 7th, 2008 at 9:00 pmCondi, you are as big a liar as all the rest. Why did you guys lie about the intelligence? What good has come out of losing the lives and dollars we have spent in this ridiculous, unnecessary, unlawful adventure? You are a failure.
December 7th, 2008 at 9:58 pmCondi is not a failure. SHE IS A WAR CRIMINAL!
December 7th, 2008 at 10:11 pmsince making blanket assertations makes something true, at least in this case, let me give it a shot:
condi rice is a fraud. she gave administrators rimjobs for her PHD.
now that was easy.
she is a war criminal and i doubt she will fare well while at the hague. she can have milosevik’s old cell. it served him well.
can you purchase glaser safety slugs near the stanford campus? i wonder.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:35 pmThe Wallace/Rice interview was like watching memorized talking questions and talking points; a rehash of Gibson/Bush.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:42 pmDoes anybody fall for these partisan hacks propaganda shows?
After the election this type of Bush revisionist newspeak seems trite, tired and laughable.
Take a hint from the fact that questions fromFox news at Obama events have been limited to one.
Wallace, Gibson, Gregory and the like, should expect less formidable guests at their shows.
By the way, say bye bye Meet The Press. MSNBC picking Gregory to moderate MTP is like McCain picking Palin.
Great strategic decision in the mold of Brer Rabbit punching the tarbaby.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:50 pmAfter 8 long years, Condi getting a hair do that isn’t a hair don’t is a “great strategic achievement.” And, I predict it will do far more for world peace than killing Saddam.
December 7th, 2008 at 10:50 pmOf course she thinks that removing Saddam was a strategic success. Did anyone out there actually expect to hear a mea culpa?
December 8th, 2008 at 1:18 amCondoleezza Rice, the Tommy Flanagan (Jon Lovitz) of international diplomacy.
A woman who graduates Phi Beta Kappa at the age of 19, makes her masters and doctorate in political science and even has some in-depth knowledge of Germany goes before the Veterans of Foreign Wars in August of 2003
to make a comparison that Germany following World War II was as chaotic and deadly as Iraq following “Mission Accomplished.” The only problem is there is no comparison. In the period following Mission Accomplished to August 2003 nearly 150 Americans were killed by hostile action in Iraq. ( The reality of the situation is that there no reported cases of American deaths due to hostilities following Germany’s defeat in WWII.
By the same token for Ms. Rice to make the comment that somehow now Iraq is going to be a bulwark against Iran is as laughably incongruous with reality as her comparison of conditions in Germany following WWII to Iraq following “Mission Accomplished.” For eight years Saddam Hussein waged war against Iran only to end in stalemate. However, the Sunni led Iraq of the time has no close sympathies with Iran. Now however, the Shiite led Iraq seems to be much more politically in tune with their fellow Shiites in Iran and may well owe more than just a debt of gratitude to them. And to think Condoleezza Rice really believes Iraq is now a greater bulwark against Iran.
If you feel your leg getting wet and it feels a little warm and Condoleezza tells you its raining, you may want to look down to find out what is really happening.
December 8th, 2008 at 1:35 amIt is mind-numbing that someone could characterize the results of Bush’s reign as beneficial to ANYONE, ANYWHERE, with the exception of those like the military-industrial complex, big oil, or other Bush cronies who were already able to wipe their a$$es with hundred dollar bills. Hussein was, by most all standards, a BAD MAN, but at least when he was in power (where WE propped him up and spoon-fed him everything he needed to be a powerful dictator) the Iraqi people had food, water, shelter, electricity, etc. There was at least some semblance of a stable existence. As they said when Tito was in power, you didn’t want to be on his enemy list, but the trains ran on time.
I’m sure we’ll never have any idea how many innocent people have died as a result of our actions, because the TRUTH has been stricly off-limits. Bush’s only success has been in achieving a perpetual war, with the terrorists receiving the least amount of suffering. Any real terrorist would have to be enviable of this administration’s ability to create the “perfect storm” of terrorism, punishing everyone, including US citizens.
Recently, while going through some boxes of old stuff, I found the lyrics to a song I wrote a few months before the 2004 election. The house I’d been renting at the time had been sold and while I was looking for a new place, I was staying with a friend who occaisionally helped me arrange music to accompany my lyrics. He’d been giving me alot of grief about being slack on writing. So I sat down down one night and wrote this song, which I offered up for his consideration the next day. But I should have known better. While in college we’d both been staunch Democrats, but when his fledgling business became highly successful he became a rabid, die-hard, ultra- conservative. Upon reading my song lyrics he was outraged and told me if I even showed it to anyone else he’d put me out on the street. Even knowing where I stood politically, he couldn’t he couldn’t believe I didn’t feel utterly indebted to our(?) president for keeping us safe from the ever-looming threat of terrorism. Being aware at the time of the supposed majority of Americans fawning over Bush as our savior and protector, I figured it was pointless to try and get it in the hands of someone prominent to record it. And having no place to go immediately, I cowardly gave in to the very type of oppression that my song decried, shelved it, and forgot about it. I wish now, in hindsight, I had pursued it, but anyway, four years too late, here it is:
(It never had a title, so I’ll just call it The Ballad of George “Double-screw” Bush)
Just pretend it’s a dream,
As the cleansing machine,
Wipes away people like mildew.
Don’t make a sound,
Keep your eyes on the ground,
Maybe they’ll let you work ’til they’ve killed you
Don’t step out of line,
Can’t you read the sign?
“Those who ask questions are traitors!”
When your neighbors forsake you,
The bus that will take you,
Comes back for the rest of THEM later.
A well-confined prisoner,
Makes a good listener,
But a noose provides answers to questions.
Keep beating them senseless,
‘Til there’s no need for fences,
There’s no proof like deathbed confessions.
And there’s nothing like fear,
To make people hear,
You’re the one on which their life depends.
Keep the truth out of sight,
And they’ll forfeit their rights,
‘Til there’s no freedom left to defend.
He’s turning millions into billions,
December 8th, 2008 at 5:59 amWhile selling out his brothers,
Waving the flag in one hand,
And the Bible in the other.
When you don’t care who you step on,
You’re the ultimate deceiver.
Use the Bible and flag as weapons,
‘Cause you don’t believe in either.
Did she say Saddam got us into Three wars in Iraq? She must be counting the Iran-Iraq War we goaded him into in the 80s.
December 8th, 2008 at 8:21 amShe can tell that at her hearing when she is charged with her part in the War Crimes by the United Nations.
December 8th, 2008 at 10:22 amShe is absoluttely correct if you consider what was best for the oil companies and Israel. The war has been catastrophic for the average American.
December 8th, 2008 at 10:23 amRice and her government have been interfering with and toppling other governements illegally for years. SO what else is new imperial america.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:49 pm