Corzine On Obama’s Appointments: They’re People Who Are ‘Pragmatists With A Progressive Agenda’
Corzine On Obama’s Appointments: They’re People Who Are ‘Pragmatists With A Progressive Agenda’
Politico reports that Barack Obama’s personnel selections are causing some consternation amongst progressives: “Liberals are growing increasingly nervous – and some just flat-out angry – that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.”
Attempting to diffuse the nervousness, Obama’s top campaign field operative Steve Hildebrand pens a response in the Huffington Post, warning that now is “not a time for the left wing” to be drawing conclusions. (Hildebrand’s argument has stirred reactions from many bloggers.)
This morning, ThinkProgress spoke with Gov. Jon Corzine (D-NJ), who was reportedly under consideration for a cabinet post. We asked Gov. Corzine if he had any concerns that Obama’s choices were not progressive enough:
I think President-elect Obama has done an outstanding job of picking very good people who have the ability to be pragmatists with a progressive agenda. […]
It would be hard to not say that there is an attention to a progressive agenda. But there is a recognition that governing means that you have constraints and resource constraints that have to be attended to as you go forward.
I’m a committed liberal. I’m a committed progressive myself, but I also understand that has to be balanced with what you have the capacity to do at a given point in time. And I think that’s all that’s reflected in the appointments. I think he’s selected extraordinary people.
Corzine pointed to Bill Richardson and John Podesta as evidence of progressives who surround Obama.
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OK people!! Take a deep breath…..remember the kind of campaign Obama ran and cut him some slack. We don’t get the info he does, and we need to give him some room to make decisions. Besides – he IS NOT BU$H, and we can trust him to make an informed decision!! He won’t be perfect, but he will be leagues better than the last guy…
December 8th, 2008 at 2:17 pmReality Check:
We have to get out of the hole that Bush put us in before we can start building any type of progressive agenda. Obama realizes that and has created a cabinet that’s more in line with getting us out of the cesspool that Bush put us in because that HAS to be his priority.
And remember, the cabinet that Obama starts with, isn’t necessarily the cabinet the Obama finishes with….
December 8th, 2008 at 2:24 pmI just wish that all of those who complain about Barack’s appointment had run for the Presidency and won. Had they, then they would be in a great position to complain. However none of them has. So, sit back and watch. That, or run in 2012, win, and put in your own cabinet.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:24 pmCorzine better stop running New Jersey in the ground or he might be looking for a job soon. Corzine has made New Jersey citizens suffer with his worthless plans and added taxes without helping the homeowners or the unemployed. Yes we’re in a recession but Corzine is making it worse for the citizens of New Jersey. Since he took office New Jersey has gone deeper in debt aside from the US Economy recession. Corzine has developed projects that could wait until the Economy recovers but he’s willing to give taxpayers money to business friends and raise taxes to do it.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:30 pmRighties seem to be enjoying this debate a little too much.
Which makes me wonder if they:
December 8th, 2008 at 2:31 pma) Are so very pleasantly (from their perspective) surprised that Obama doesn’t look to be a raging socialist after all?
or
b) Vindictive sob’s who are jumping at any opportunity to poke progressives in the ribs?
like corzine is an authority on progressives
what ever!
December 8th, 2008 at 2:32 pmI wondered when the reality deniers would show up……heh.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:32 pm.
R E M E M B E R:
Progressives don’t achieve by holding onto agendas of doing nothing!
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December 8th, 2008 at 2:35 pmI doing a wait and see….I think he is maybe smarter than the rest of us and is making informed decisions…
….you know I would worry if he had the brains of LushInterior….
…the loser troll.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:36 pm.
… I have my crumbs of Bill Richardson and John Podesta and I should just run along now and be happy with my morsel?
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December 8th, 2008 at 2:38 pmLush has the right group but wrong song: “faith in something bigger, faith in something bigger”
December 8th, 2008 at 2:39 pmToo far left (if there is such a thing) could always generate backlash and hinder progress.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:43 pmAs long as her stays left of center, I dont care who he picks.
I trust him.
You have to be kidding, Corzine is a Wall Street flunkie who couldn’t wait to raise taxes on the working people of NJ once he got elected. Obama should avoid this jerk like the plague.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:43 pmIt’s appropriate to keep our concerns elevated and the pressure on.
But, I’m not going to worry too much until he’s been on the job for a little while.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:48 pmI must say this is the first time I’ve heard Curlew’s (#3 above) argument that those who are not President have no business criticizing the President, and I’m really old. The raison d’etre of the press is to report and criticize & recommend. A democracy cannot function if only those in authority may criticize themselves. What Curlew is proposing is a pristine dictatorship.
He/she has gone just one step further than what Steve Hildebrand, Obama’s Deputy Transition Director, believes — that we should voluntarily give up our First Amendment rights. I’m not sure what to think of people who profess to be liberal (as Hildebrand does) but in fact prefer stringent oppression: Obamanazies?
Whatever they are, they are no better & surely more hypocritical than than the right-wing thought police who called us unpatriotic for opposing the Iraq & Vietnamese wars.
As for Corzine, what is he supposed to say? If you want a place at the table, at Corzine does, you don’t kick the guy who controls the seating chart.
The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com
December 8th, 2008 at 2:48 pmI think he is doing just fine. He has a big mess on his hands, and it will take some time. Patience is a virtue.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:50 pmGeez, we just elected the guy and he hasn’t even taken office! Can we please wait just a few months before we start second guessing the poor guy?
If Shinseki is any clue about how President Obama will subtly stick it in the eyes of the people who got us here, I’m eagerly awaiting.
Bottom line, I trust Obama and will give him the benefit of any doubt unless and until he becomes worse than Bush. Which I am confident will never happen.
PEACE
December 8th, 2008 at 2:51 pmJBaddo Says:
You’re not going to be happy no matter what Obama does.
This post of yours from this thread says it all:
So you have already made up your mind. Some of us are willing to give the man a chance before we condemn him…….
December 8th, 2008 at 2:56 pmLushInterior Says:
Some one once made a statement of absolute brilliance….come to think about it, it was probably me……..I have no illusions of what Democrats and Republicans are so I am able to position myself so that neither have the ability to affect me adversely in any way…..thank me very much!
A rookie mistake.
You must first strain the Sterno through a piece of cloth to remove the impurities, before drinking.
You can thank me, after you sober up.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:56 pmI really do wish that liberal blogs would stop quoting Politico. They are the blog version of Fixed News and their articles are generally poorly sourced. Mostly based on “some people say”.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:59 pmI don’t think so weader, what Curlew suggests is that elections have consequenses and Obama gets to make these decisions. We may discuss them and argue over their validity but in the end, it’s Obama’s call.
When someone like bush has been in office making bad decisions for 8 years you naturally want a change…..we have that change and you don’t have to like it but you have to live with it.
This is what I meant when I said it wouldn’t be long before the reality deniers show up…..you are obviously one of them.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:00 pmThe pyramid has a left corner and a right corner. Liberals at the left and Conservatives to the right. At the top of the pyramid there’s only one corner. At the end of the day both liberals and conservatives serve the same master at the top. They just want you to believe this is a ‘democracy’, in reality it is a staged democracy.
It will become obvious to progressives as we make ‘progress’.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:01 pmLushInterior Says:
Some one once made a statement of absolute brilliance….come to think about it, it was probably me……..I have no illusions of what Democrats and Republicans are so I am able to position myself so that neither have the ability to affect me adversely in any way…..thank me very much!
Yet your a$$ still gets wet in the rain, even with your head stuck in the sand.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:02 pm______
mary Says:
Righties seem to be enjoying this debate a little too much.
Which makes me wonder if they:
a) Are so very pleasantly (from their perspective) surprised that Obama doesn’t look to be a raging socialist after all?
or
b) Vindictive sob’s who are jumping at any opportunity to poke progressives in the ribs?
December 8th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
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A is most likely true. B? That is what partisans live for, both left and right. ;)
December 8th, 2008 at 3:03 pmConstant Weader Says:
He/she has gone just one step further than what Steve Hildebrand, Obama’s Deputy Transition Director, believes — that we should voluntarily give up our First Amendment rights. I’m not sure what to think of people who profess to be liberal (as Hildebrand does) but in fact prefer stringent oppression: Obamanazies?
Did you read the Hildebrand article? I did and nowhere did I get it that he was asking us to give up our First Amendment rights. All I got was that he was asking us to withhold criticism until Obama is actually President and actually makes policy you disagree with.
If you did read the article and you came away with your conclusion, it was preordained for you anyway and shows that you have a very closed mind.
I am becoming convinced that a lot of the so-called “liberals” who are whining about Obama’s appointments are in fact really Conservatives who are playing us the way they did with Operation Chaos.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:04 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Quoting Politico (the internet version of Fixed News) won’t win you any points either.
Yeah, Faiz! You should listen to Bilbo or he’ll take your point away.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:06 pmlarkohio Says:
I think he is doing just fine. He has a big mess on his hands, and it will take some time. Patience is a virtue.
Bingo. I actually think that Obama’s cabinet choices would be much different if he had the luxury of inheriting a healthy America. But considering the fact that he has inherited a totally trashed country that is teetering on the edge of ruin, he doesn’t have the luxury of making risky decisions by hiring people new to government to work with him.
I wish everyone would just put away their Walmart crystal balls (they are defective anyway) and give Obama a chance to prove what he can do before criticizing him.
I tell myself often, being a Democrat and a Liberal is messy. But it’s got to be better than being a Lemming Republican.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:09 pmObama is moving in a cautious and thoughtful manner digging US out of the sewer Bush created. I have no complaints and much respect for the manner in which he is selecting his cabinet members. And… didn’t Obama say Gates would stay on for a year?
December 8th, 2008 at 3:11 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Did you read the Hildebrand article? I did and nowhere did I get it that he was asking us to give up our First Amendment rights. All I got was that he was asking us to withhold criticism until Obama is actually President and actually makes policy you disagree with.
Who you pick to be in your cabinet is a policy decision.
I am becoming convinced that a lot of the so-called “liberals” who are whining about Obama’s appointments are in fact really Conservatives who are playing us the way they did with Operation Chaos.
Classic! And all conservatives are to be disregarded, right? Surely a true liberal couldn’t criticize Obama. You and Tweety have got it pretty bad, Bilbo…
December 8th, 2008 at 3:12 pm______
republicans hate facts Says:
upright left Says:
A is most likely true. B? That is what partisans live for, both left and right. ;)
Ah PURE PROJECTION, no progressives live for FIXING THE PROBLEMS you TARDS CREATE and rubbing your NOSE in the S**T you leave behind like one always does with a YOUNG PUPPY that isn’t yet HOUSEBROKEN or CIVILIZED ;)
December 8th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
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Sorry, bud. You know I wasn’t referring to you. I just meant the normal partisans. ;)
December 8th, 2008 at 3:14 pmlush the malt liquor swilling clown still here trumpteting about how well he’s doing in his imaginary construction business when ever freaking day here on TP for eight hours straight posting like it’s his full-time job? apparently, no one bothered to clue lushy into this fact so he can repair his lie: contruction is ground to a hlat thanks to bush’s economy.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:16 pmRHF – you are absolutely the most hostile poster I believe I’ve ever seen on this blog or many others. Do you honestly consider yourself a progressive? I don’t really care what side you’re on; I find you very offensive. But even more so if you represent yourself as being on the Left.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:16 pmA cube has eight interior corners and those who can’t think outside this box will continue to bang against those corners. I have no idea what this means but DaTruth inspired me so it must have something important in there somewhere.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:17 pm______
Fred Says:
I don’t think so weader, what Curlew suggests is that elections have consequenses and Obama gets to make these decisions. We may discuss them and argue over their validity but in the end, it’s Obama’s call.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
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Some of your fellow libs will be happy to hear that it’s now acceptable to discuss the appointments. Assuming, of course, that by discuss you mean mentioning the pros and cons as opposed to merely agreeing. ;)
December 8th, 2008 at 3:20 pmJohn Kerry spews: I am going to give you guys a wakeup call
Bwahaaaahaaaahaaaaa….Breath in…. Bwahaahaahaahaaaaa…Catches breath…..Bwahhaahaahaaaahaaa.. Feeling faint….. Haahaaahaaahaaa.
OMG, you are SO Phucking Funny!
December 8th, 2008 at 3:22 pmwow, john kerrytard is in a cut n paste frenzy. too bad no one reads the crap he posts
December 8th, 2008 at 3:24 pmJK says: The Brotha …
That is sufficiently racist for me to tell this slime bag to crawl back into the dung heap from which he emerged and to leave the Senator’s name when he goes.
Just being wrong is OK, even entertaining.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:24 pmBeing a bold, bald face liar is part of the troll charm.
Being a racist bigot is intolerable.
Flagged.
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republicans hate facts Says:
Yeah, but UNFORTUNATELY you’re always LOOKING IN THE MIRROR when you do – and that’s the REALITY you CAN’T FACE! Being that you’re an ABNORMAL PARTISAN TARD ;)
December 8th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
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That’s just silly, bud. How could I be looking in a mirror when I’m typing on a computer. You’re so funny. ;)
December 8th, 2008 at 3:27 pmHopefully a pragmatist with a progressive agenda will challenge this clown in next year’s election.
I proudly voted Ed Forchion in the ‘05 gubernatorial election…Corzine’s been a disaster.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:28 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
Keltoi Says:
Classic! And all conservatives are to be disregarded, right? Surely a true liberal couldn’t criticize Obama. You and Tweety have got it pretty bad, Bilbo…
Yeah, I know. The Obamaheads sound more like REPUBLICANS and YOU than I care to deal with at times… No room for criticism, no room for clear and rational discourse, any critical statement is seen as treasonous. When he gets on these tirades he always sounds like he’s channeling YOU ;)
I, too, was horrified to find us in agreement, rhf, I am sure it is just a blip. Bilbo did run away though, didn’t he?
December 8th, 2008 at 3:30 pmQuote where I said any different.
The reason it’s acceptable now is because we don’t have a “you’re with us or against us” administration that labels everyone who disagrees with them as a traitor…….
December 8th, 2008 at 3:32 pmThe problem right now at TP is that the progressives who actually want to discuss and encourage Obama to nominate progressives are being overwhelmed by the trolls who just want to mush up the thing and cause trouble within the progressive ranks.
We’re not as dumb as you republicans though so just keep trying.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:37 pmJohn Kerry (the troll, not the great politician) is just parroting his talking points from The ManCow show this morning.
I heard the same thing while switching channels on the radio.
Even the “brotha” reference.
But, of course, you wouldn’t expect an original thought from JK, now would ya?
December 8th, 2008 at 3:40 pm______
Fred Says:
upright left Says:
Some of your fellow libs will be happy to hear that it’s now acceptable to discuss the appointments.
Quote where I said any different.
The reason it’s acceptable now is because we don’t have a “you’re with us or against us” administration that labels everyone who disagrees with them as a traitor…….
December 8th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
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It has nothing to do with the administration or any quote from you. It has to do with your attacks on libs who are upset over Obama’s choices. I’m not a lib and I understand why they are upset. I even agree with you that Obama shouldn’t be written off before he takes office. It’s the fact that all of a sudden those who agree with you on almost every issue are vilified because they dare to express their displeasure with Obama.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:42 pmDecember 8th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Please, it is the right who villifies. I have argued that we should give it a little time before making huge judgement calles on this new administration…..which is my right as well.
Your posts and distortions are perfect examples of why the right has lost the will of the American people.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:50 pm______
Fred Says:
The problem right now at TP is that the progressives who actually want to discuss and encourage Obama to nominate progressives are being overwhelmed by the trolls who just want to mush up the thing and cause trouble within the progressive ranks.
We’re not as dumb as you republicans though so just keep trying.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
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So “trolls” are responsible for the nasty comments libs are making to each other? Are you responsible for anything that you do? Read back through the threads about appointments and tell me which “troll” caused you to attack your fellow libs because they disagreed with you. Or is it that anyone who points out the hypocrisy of your attacks is responsible for the attacks?
December 8th, 2008 at 3:52 pmJohn Kerry-troll
Good lord, did one right-wing blatherer after another take a sizable dump in your fruit loops this morning?
Tax cuts in the republican square, best exemplified by Ronald Reagan, means cutting taxes 20% for people drowning in money while introducing new brackets to hit millions of working class Americans.
December 8th, 2008 at 3:53 pmYou’re reaching. I ask reasonable questions and don’t call people names or make accusations I can’t back up as you just did to forward your agenda.
Thanks for making my point.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:00 pmFred, I’m sure your fellow libs would have reacted much differently had you stopped at the very civil, “… we should give it a little time before making huge judgement calles on this new administration…..which is my right as well.”
I’m pretty sure it was the part where you started slamming them for their disagreement that caused the problem.
As for the right losing the will of the American people, elections go back on forth, in case you hadn’t noticed. The idea that Republicans will never be the majority again is ridiculous, but we will just have to wait a few years to see the proof of that. That fact is a lot easier to accept when one is neither far right nor far left. ;)
December 8th, 2008 at 4:02 pmYou know, I’m not going to listen to the same crowd who thought they could harass Obama into losing and that Republicans would retain power despite 2006 and eight years of leadership failure on a massive scale; the same crowd attaching “anti-American” onto anything that doesn’t resemble their draconian view of patriotism, and the same crowd clearly uncivil to belong in American politics tell me how the man who cleanly defeated them will govern the country before he’s even elected to office.
Stop grasping at straws neocons — you will officially lose power on Jan. 20th and there will be no remaining comfort zone for any of you.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:08 pmupright left Says:
As for the right losing the will of the American people, elections go back on forth, in case you hadn’t noticed. The idea that Republicans will never be the majority again is ridiculous, but we will just have to wait a few years to see the proof of that.
It all depends on how bad the Bush Recession ( or Depression ) actually gets before it is over. The Depressions knocked Republicans out of a majority for 60 years, as history shows us.
But who knows? In this day and age, the memories of the voters seems to be counted in days or months instead of years, and too many people tend to get distracted by the next bimbo alert rather than real news ( Did Brittany wear underwear today? ).
December 8th, 2008 at 4:10 pm______
Fred Says:
You’re reaching. I ask reasonable questions and don’t call people names or make accusations I can’t back up as you just did to forward your agenda.
Thanks for making my point.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
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You may very well ask reasonable questions and refrain from name calling. That didn’t stop you from being nasty to the folks who disagreed with Obama’s choices.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:10 pmAccusations I “can’t back up?” You mean because I didn’t save your comments for future reference in case you chose to deny them? You’re right about that. Of course, they are still there. You could go back and look at them if you’ve forgotten. Maybe I’ll have time to do it later if you don’t. ;)
uprighty:
Some of us thought those people were just like you….just here to disrupt. Additionally, being persistant is not the same as being downright rude and distorting facts….like you.
oh yeah, the republicans were the minority party for 30 years……you better hope it don’t last that long again but I’m guessing it will…
gotta go, mash is on.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:16 pmKeltoi Says:
Classic! And all conservatives are to be disregarded, right? Surely a true liberal couldn’t criticize Obama. You and Tweety have got it pretty bad, Bilbo…
I have yet to meet a conservative who tells the truth and who is capable for taking responsibility for their actions and the actions of their party. Until such time as I find one honest conservative, I will continue to disregard what they have to say, including you. Actually especially you since you are a conservative, a troll and a fool all in one glorious package.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:16 pmKeltoi Says:
I, too, was horrified to find us in agreement, rhf, I am sure it is just a blip. Bilbo did run away though, didn’t he?
No Bilbo went back to work for a while. And I don’t find it at all unusual that you agree with RHF. I expect it.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:20 pmFred Says:
oh yeah, the republicans were the minority party for 30 years……you better hope it don’t last that long again but I’m guessing it will…
60 years… it was 60 years. Gingrich and his “
LiesContract with America” finally broke the Democratic majority in the both houses.Lets hope the voters don’t get distracted by something shiny too soon this time. =)
December 8th, 2008 at 4:23 pmWayne Says:
You’re right Wayne……from 29 to 94…..over 60 years.
December 8th, 2008 at 4:33 pmAh did I miss the big pussy who calls himself John Kerry and just when I was setting the table? Please JK explain why you are so afraid of us. Why is it you can not engage in a conversation? I myself think it is because you are scared. Are you scared John Kerry?
December 8th, 2008 at 4:33 pm#45 John Kerry,
He is your Messiah too.
One wonders when you hate mongers are going to get over it.
December 8th, 2008 at 5:14 pmIt could have been McCain/Palin. I don’t think that can be overstated.
December 8th, 2008 at 5:19 pmJackie Says:
Corzine better stop running New Jersey in the ground or he might be looking for a job soon. Corzine has made New Jersey citizens suffer with his worthless plans and added taxes without helping the homeowners or the unemployed
Corzine is a worthless Goldman Sachs hack
upright left Says:
So “trolls” are responsible for the nasty comments libs are making to each other? Are you responsible for anything that you do? Read back through the threads about appointments and tell me which “troll” caused you to attack your fellow libs because they disagreed with you. Or is it that anyone who points out the hypocrisy of your attacks is responsible for the attacks?
The problem with some of the “Progressives” at TP is that fail to see reality, and if you dare question Jesus……..er……..Obama, you are labeled Fascist, Conservative, etc. I am an Independent, neither Liberal nor Conservative. I actually listen to both Ed Schultz and Rush Limbaugh, and find them both blowhards, even though it is entertaining. Truth is where the opposite sides coinicide.
I have to say, if this wasn’t so sad, it would be comical. Wait!! It is comical. Fred is one example, Dr Insane Floormat is another, as are more. I am waiting for a Progressive to be appointed into Obama’s cabinet, yet we are seeing Pro-Zionists, Wall Street stooges, Bush appointed defense secretary, surveillance advocates, Pro-War types, Pro-Pharmaceutical heath secretary, and Pro-Ethanol Scammers. So, until I see people who are anti-war, pro-working class, and along the lines of Russ Feingold, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, or Mike Gravel appointed to some position, I will assume it is business as usual, except instead of Bush’s drunken smirk, we will be seeing Obama smile.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:16 pmDaTruth Says:
The pyramid has a left corner and a right corner. Liberals at the left and Conservatives to the right. At the top of the pyramid there’s only one corner. At the end of the day both liberals and conservatives serve the same master at the top. They just want you to believe this is a ‘democracy’, in reality it is a staged democracy.
It will become obvious to progressives as we make ‘progress’.
Yes. The Top of the Pyramid is the Ruling Elite and The War Party. The country is no longer George Washington or Eisenhower. It is a Corporate Feudal state, and the Left and The Right are in on it.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:21 pmFred Says:
So you have already made up your mind. Some of us are willing to give the man a chance before we condemn him…….
Oh Yeah, all of the Pro-War, Pro-Zionist, Pro-Surveillance, and Pro-Wall Street people he is appointing will turn on a dime, and have an Epiphany.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:25 pmbarfly Says:
You must first strain the Sterno through a piece of cloth to remove the impurities, before drinking.
You can thank me, after you sober up.
Do you ever discuss what a poster says instead of making some blathering comment that has no bearing in reality?
I didn’t think so.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:29 pmOh like Ron Paul is the real deal…
December 8th, 2008 at 6:32 pmdbadass Says:
Oh like Ron Paul is the real deal…
Amazing that you will pick the one Conservative out of them as your target. I happen to like many of Ron Paul’s ideas. That is what makes an independent. The ability to see the good and rotten in both the Left and Right.
I understand that Bush has made many Liberals loathe any Conservative, just the same as Clinton made many Conservatives loathe Liberals.
You want to know something? Clinton and Bush are on the same team.
The Ruling Elite, and you are not invited to their party.
December 8th, 2008 at 6:44 pmI selected Ron Paul only because I expected it would get this result. To each their own. I just find some folks to be pretty presumtuous in their thinking. You’re free to like whoever’s ideas you wish but I question why you might think what you like or dislike is any better or worse than what anyone else may like, dislike, and think. I may very well be misreading you but that is the way it sort of comes across. You want to know something?
December 8th, 2008 at 6:49 pmWell, dbadass, I have seen all presidents going back to Truman. Essentially, I am a cross-section of Liberal and Conservative ideas, which to me, makes me see the bigger picture. I find many of the people who post here as obnoxious as the ones at Freerepublic.
Sure, I can say, “You See”, or “I was Correct”, but that really doesn’t matter. Now Ron Paul has great ideas on abolishing the Federal reserve AND he is Anti-War, which is more than I can say for Obama. What we have happening on TP is many people who voted for Obama because he was “The Lesser of Two Evils”, taking the Wait and See approach. We are already witnessing his appointments, and they are not Progressives by any stretch of the imagination, contrary to what Brain-Damaged Corzine says.
Since when is it “Un-Progressive” to question authority, and Think For Yourself? If Obama comes around and helps out workers and underdogs, then all the better. But for Liberals to admit they were wrong is an Ego issue.
Funny how I was everyone’s darling when I ripped Bush for two years straight. Now that I am applying the same observations for Obama, I am the Enemy.
Bush and Conservatives: “You are either with us or with the terrorists”
Obama supporters: “You are either for Obama or you are a Fascist/Conservative”
Do you see the irony in this?
December 8th, 2008 at 7:02 pmWhat I see appears to be some degree of vanity. So Corzine is brain damaged becuase you disagree. You by virtue of age have decreed yourself a big picture viewer. Liberals are wrong because you say so. Somehow you believe that at some point in time you were “everyone’s darling” but now the enemy? With all respect, I don’t really see any irony. What I see is someone who might be taking themselves a little too seriously.
December 8th, 2008 at 7:08 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
No Bilbo went back to work for a while. And I don’t find it at all unusual that you agree with RHF. I expect it.
Ironic when you consider it’s YOU that’s acting like him. I find it pathetic when Keltoi is more self aware than you are – poor thing…
I can’t help but chuckle at this – all three of us wanting nothing to do with one another, yet we voluntarily come to this site to argue. Amusing.
Brain from Planet Arous, your post at #81 is dead on the mark. There are a lot of people here who are committed liberals and honest in their positions, but they have been strangely quiet of late. I think Obama’s appointments are deeply distubing to them but they are either mourning silently or hoping his centrist cabinet/Bush holdovers are a head fake like Tweety says. Only time will tell.
December 8th, 2008 at 7:24 pmdbadass Says:
So Corzine is brain damaged becuase you disagree. You by virtue of age have decreed yourself a big picture viewer. Liberals are wrong because you say so. Somehow you believe that at some point in time you were “everyone’s darling” but now the enemy? With all respect, I don’t really see any irony. What I see is someone who might be taking themselves a little too seriously.
Ask anyone from New Jersey. He is well disliked, and a phony.
But, who was “deadly serious” when Bush was taking away rights and deadening the Constitution?
You remind me of the Liberals who thought Lyndon Johnson would stop Vietnam. Joke was on people like you.
Now!! HahahahaLOLOLOL!!
Funny isn’t it? 58,000 dead Americans
Fool!!
December 8th, 2008 at 7:53 pmKeltoi, thanks for the compliment. I see there are still a few independent thinkers left at TP.
But watch the Obama-ites and fake Progressives. They will hurl idiotic innuendos and childish epitaphs to make it seem like they are intelligent.
December 8th, 2008 at 7:56 pmFor real, why do you go out of your way to be condescending. Do you have weird inner confidence issues? I have never called you a fool. I know plenty of folks in Jersey that actually like the dude. I suppose that makes them fools as well if you decree it so. I have no beef with you, I am just utterly perplex as to why you would want to present yourself in such a boorish manner. Braindead and fool strike me as childish epitaphs and innuendos. I am beginning to just think you are a phony as it is no real person would be so pompous as to suggest they are so much more learned than others. It is sort of obnoxious. Actually I just hung up the phone with someone from Jersey…
December 8th, 2008 at 8:04 pmI trust you will ignore the point that I am making so we might as well move on. I have an idea. Why don’t you tell everyone how everything is? That sure will be novile…
Brain From Planet Arous Says:
Keltoi, thanks for the compliment. I see there are still a few independent thinkers left at TP.
But watch the Obama-ites and fake Progressives. They will hurl idiotic innuendos and childish epitaphs to make it seem like they are intelligent.
Hah! Well, that is a given, I offer the screeching at post #85 as exibit A.
It will be interesting to see how the Obama administration changes the tone not just in DC but at TP as well.
December 8th, 2008 at 8:15 pmWell, I am from Jersey City, and you don’t get more Jersey than that.
I have seen you attack me from other posts, so tit-for-tat, if that is the game you want to play. If not, then I can engage in intelligent conversation, if you so choose.
If you ever check back on posts, I simply state facts, and those facts don’t coincide with the standard liberal mindset.
And yes, people who support Corzine and his greedy little corporate plans are fools, much the same way, as I stated before, of the liberals who supported Johnson. Now if Obama sends the US to war with Pakistan and/or Iran, will you feel guilty you voted for him?
Keltoi at Night Says:
It will be interesting to see how the Obama administration changes the tone not just in DC but at TP as well.
Like I said, egos will get in the way, and just like the Bill Clinton supporters will rah-rah behind more wars, even though these people are the antithesis of Progressive thought.
See this:
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin477.htm
December 8th, 2008 at 9:16 pmLike I said, egos will get in the way, and just like the Bill Clinton supporters will rah-rah behind more wars, even though these people are the antithesis of Progressive thought.
See this:
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin477.htm
Hm. Yeah, depressing. I can see why you are a Ron Paul supporter. Ye Gods, I’d take ANYBODY – Paul, Nader, Perot, Anderson – who could win as a 3rd party candidate. It just doesn’t seem like it is possible for that to happen anymore…
December 8th, 2008 at 9:44 pmWell you’d have to show me those posts where I attacked you as I have no memory of doing so. Surely the Jersey City thing goes a long way to explain a few things. Now as to facts saying they are does not make them such. I don’t mean to beat the dead horse but again I find it arrogant to suggest that simply becuase you keyboarded it makes it a fact. In general facts are sort of nebulous and many folks here confuse opinion for fact. Why do you presume to know who I voted for, if I voted or if I legally can? See these are the presumptions which trouble me.
December 8th, 2008 at 9:54 pmI’m saying facts as who Obama is appointing and their history in relation to Pro-Zionism, Pro-Surveillance, Pro-War, and Pro-Wall Street, and that Obama’s back peddling on his promises to the liberals that voted for him.
An opinion is different.
To Keltoi, yes I am a hybrid of Ron Paul, Kucinich, Nader, McKinney, and Gravel. We can keep trying instead of accepting the clowns the Democrats and Republicans AKA the Ruling Party keep heaving at us.
December 8th, 2008 at 11:36 pmBrain? Is that supposed to be ironic? Free-thinker…yes, ironic, I have decided.
December 9th, 2008 at 1:19 am“To Keltoi, yes I am a hybrid of Ron Paul, Kucinich, Nader, McKinney, and Gravel.”
Which of these is not like the other. Hmmm?
December 9th, 2008 at 1:20 amSabyen91 Says:
a hybrid of Ron Paul, Kucinich, Nader, McKinney, and Gravel.”
Which of these is not like the other. Hmmm?
They are all different than each other:
Ron Paul – A Republican who is more antiwar than most “Democrats”, want to dissolve the federal reserve, and a staunch 2nd Amendment advocate.
Dennis Kucinich – A Democrat who is antiwar, wants to dissolve the Federal Reserve, and was the #1 advocate of impeachment.
Ralph Nader – consumer advocate, antiwar, and calls corporatism for what it is.
Cynthia McKinney – Environmentally friendly and digs deeper into 9/11 than most Bush apologists.
Mike Gravel – Voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution and wrote the resolution to stop the Vietnam draft.
Of course there are many more difference between the five, but they call the Ruling Elite for what they are……A corporatocracy with Two Branches.
That detailed enough for you? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
December 9th, 2008 at 11:28 am