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		<title>By: curious</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/09/myth-fannie-freddie/comment-page-1/#comment-5376462</link>
		<dc:creator>curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure all these poor people had such clout to force these big institutions to go against their best interests. Can&#039;t you see it now?  All the pressure these poor wannabe home owners put on those poor helpless billionaire Fannie and Freddie CEO&#039;s.

Oh God!  The pressure these CEO&#039;s must have endured. I imagine most of them are in re-hab. Say in Dubai or the Caribbean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure all these poor people had such clout to force these big institutions to go against their best interests. Can&#8217;t you see it now?  All the pressure these poor wannabe home owners put on those poor helpless billionaire Fannie and Freddie CEO&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Oh God!  The pressure these CEO&#8217;s must have endured. I imagine most of them are in re-hab. Say in Dubai or the Caribbean.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5376462', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MapleStreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>MapleStreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite my dislike for the decisions to entice people into inflated housing , I&#039;ve got to admit that I find some hope in that Fannie and Freddie seem to be applying some introspection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite my dislike for the decisions to entice people into inflated housing , I&#8217;ve got to admit that I find some hope in that Fannie and Freddie seem to be applying some introspection.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5375422', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Leftside Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leftside Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Former Housing CEOs: Poor People Did Not Cause The Current Financial Crisis&lt;/em&gt;

No shit, Sherlock.</description>
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<p>No shit, Sherlock.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5375264', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Scalcar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scalcar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow this is BIG.  It seems like everyone I talk to seems to think that putting minorities in houses during the Clinton years was the cause of the recession.  While that right-wing talking point seems to make sense at first (which is why everyone is believing it) it doesn&#039;t make sense once you investigate it more.

But since when do the conservatives let the facts get in the way of talking points?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow this is BIG.  It seems like everyone I talk to seems to think that putting minorities in houses during the Clinton years was the cause of the recession.  While that right-wing talking point seems to make sense at first (which is why everyone is believing it) it doesn&#8217;t make sense once you investigate it more.</p>
<p>But since when do the conservatives let the facts get in the way of talking points?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5375160', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: citizen_pain</title>
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		<dc:creator>citizen_pain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t tell you how many arguments I&#039;ve got into about this with right wing acquaintances of mine.  

Bottom line is they blame Freddie and Fannie for the meltdown, and, hold your breath, it was BILL CLINTON&#039;S fault for easing loan rules.

The right wing has some serious problems with taking accountability for their actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t tell you how many arguments I&#8217;ve got into about this with right wing acquaintances of mine.  </p>
<p>Bottom line is they blame Freddie and Fannie for the meltdown, and, hold your breath, it was BILL CLINTON&#8217;S fault for easing loan rules.</p>
<p>The right wing has some serious problems with taking accountability for their actions.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5375134', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: vinylspear</title>
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		<dc:creator>vinylspear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captain Obvious to the rescue!
Poor people didn&#039;t cause the crisis, rich bankers trying to get richer caused the crisis.

Jeez, why did I have to fly all the way from my home planet to point that one out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captain Obvious to the rescue!<br />
Poor people didn&#8217;t cause the crisis, rich bankers trying to get richer caused the crisis.</p>
<p>Jeez, why did I have to fly all the way from my home planet to point that one out?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5375104', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ucsbclassics53</title>
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		<dc:creator>ucsbclassics53</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are the same type of people as slaveholders who blamed their slaves for being LAZY and SHIFTLESS...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are the same type of people as slaveholders who blamed their slaves for being LAZY and SHIFTLESS&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5375080', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Max-1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Ummm...
... Since when do poor people decide how much capital to lend?

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<p>Ummm&#8230;<br />
&#8230; Since when do poor people decide how much capital to lend?</p>
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		<title>By: Economics of Contempt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Economics of Contempt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re forgetting the most important and sweeping rejection of the entire CRA-subprime myth, which came last week from Fed Governor Randall Kroszner, in a speech titled, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/kroszner20081203a.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Community Reinvestment Act and the Recent Mortgage Crisis&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;

Kroszner&#039;s speech cited a recent internal Fed study on the impact of the CRA, which Kroszner says definitively rejects the notion that the CRA had anything to do with the subprime crisis. As Kroszner put it:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;[T]he findings of a recent analysis of mortgage-related data by Federal Reserve staff runs counter to the charge that the CRA was at the root of, or otherwise contributed in any substantive way, to the current subprime crisis.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The speech contains a lot of actual data on the CRA issue, which has so far been lacking in the public forum. Case closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re forgetting the most important and sweeping rejection of the entire CRA-subprime myth, which came last week from Fed Governor Randall Kroszner, in a speech titled, &#8220;<a href="http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/kroszner20081203a.htm" rel="nofollow">The Community Reinvestment Act and the Recent Mortgage Crisis</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kroszner&#8217;s speech cited a recent internal Fed study on the impact of the CRA, which Kroszner says definitively rejects the notion that the CRA had anything to do with the subprime crisis. As Kroszner put it:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;[T]he findings of a recent analysis of mortgage-related data by Federal Reserve staff runs counter to the charge that the CRA was at the root of, or otherwise contributed in any substantive way, to the current subprime crisis.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The speech contains a lot of actual data on the CRA issue, which has so far been lacking in the public forum. Case closed.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5375042', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: sectionop92</title>
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		<dc:creator>sectionop92</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the poor didn&#039;t cause this!

The poor didn&#039;t control the faucets and spigots of money that flowed from the banks to the brokers when the fed slashed and burned the interest rates like it was the Amazon rain forests.  

And I certainly don&#039;t recall any special interest groups by the poor, for the poor helping cushion the Bush and Cheney nest egg retirement funds to help deregulate Wall St. to the point that a mortgage could be made to my pet rabbit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the poor didn&#8217;t cause this!</p>
<p>The poor didn&#8217;t control the faucets and spigots of money that flowed from the banks to the brokers when the fed slashed and burned the interest rates like it was the Amazon rain forests.  </p>
<p>And I certainly don&#8217;t recall any special interest groups by the poor, for the poor helping cushion the Bush and Cheney nest egg retirement funds to help deregulate Wall St. to the point that a mortgage could be made to my pet rabbit.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5375026', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DNFP</title>
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		<dc:creator>DNFP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Applied for my first home mortgage in 1998.

They offered more than double what I had deemed affordable.

I bought the cheapest house I could find, paid half what bank was willing to loan.

5 years ago I signed on for my 3rd home, and subsequent mortgage. 

Again, I&#039;m offered at least double what my personally calculated budget says I can afford, and again I spend less than they offer.

Hi, I&#039;m not poor, and I did not cause the current financial crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Applied for my first home mortgage in 1998.</p>
<p>They offered more than double what I had deemed affordable.</p>
<p>I bought the cheapest house I could find, paid half what bank was willing to loan.</p>
<p>5 years ago I signed on for my 3rd home, and subsequent mortgage. </p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m offered at least double what my personally calculated budget says I can afford, and again I spend less than they offer.</p>
<p>Hi, I&#8217;m not poor, and I did not cause the current financial crisis.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5374960', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: abarts</title>
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		<dc:creator>abarts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that wealthy people are the cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that wealthy people are the cause.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5374926', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: scytherius</title>
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		<dc:creator>scytherius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know no one can, but can someone PLEASE explain to me the GOP mindset?  They decide that we need to round up all Mexicans and send em back where they came from.  This causes them to lose the Hispanic vote by a HUGE margin.  They now want to blame the middle class and poor for the housing crises (the largest voting block there is).  And it doesn&#039;t stop here.  So, PLEASE explain to me . . . just who do they think is going to EVER vote for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know no one can, but can someone PLEASE explain to me the GOP mindset?  They decide that we need to round up all Mexicans and send em back where they came from.  This causes them to lose the Hispanic vote by a HUGE margin.  They now want to blame the middle class and poor for the housing crises (the largest voting block there is).  And it doesn&#8217;t stop here.  So, PLEASE explain to me . . . just who do they think is going to EVER vote for them?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5374914', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: 5th Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>5th Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Under harsh questioning from committee members, Raines&#039;s successor Daniel Mudd explained that it was difficult for the companies to meet their multiple &lt;strong&gt;obligations to earn profits &lt;/strong&gt;for their shareholders a&lt;strong&gt;nd to promote affordable housing.&lt;/strong&gt;

He also explained that Fannie was &lt;strong&gt;under pressure to compete with Wall Street banks that were also ramping up their purchases of such risky loans.&lt;/strong&gt;

&quot;We couldn&#039;t afford to make the bet that the changes were not going to be permanent,&quot; Mudd said.&lt;/em&gt;

The Republican-led deregulation turned investment firms into competitors in the mortgage market. Wall street deregulation allowed these investment firms to treat the mortgages AS investment vehicles for others. Fannie/Freddie thus risked losing business, which in turn would threaten lending for affordable housing, so they had to climb on board to some extent.
ANd the bottom line is that it was the GOP-enabled unregulated Wall Street investment firms that then did not &#039;hold&#039; each mortgage as a single asset/liability contract, each with a specific value but instead bundled them into investment vehicles which were then promoted because their &lt;em&gt;real &lt;/em&gt;value was in the commissions based on the sales. 
Lossning the terms of the mortgages encouraged the buying of mortgages which meant more &#039;investment vehicles&#039; to sell and make commissions on. 
Add to that the speculation that then on stocks of the companies offering these &#039;investment vehicles&#039; and that&#039;s how they were &#039;valued&#039; and it&#039;s that &#039;value&#039; that has been lost ( I&#039;ll guess half (?) the Wall street &#039;losses&#039; are actually just profits not realized. For the actual mortgage buyers though the losses are all too real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Under harsh questioning from committee members, Raines&#8217;s successor Daniel Mudd explained that it was difficult for the companies to meet their multiple <strong>obligations to earn profits </strong>for their shareholders a<strong>nd to promote affordable housing.</strong></p>
<p>He also explained that Fannie was <strong>under pressure to compete with Wall Street banks that were also ramping up their purchases of such risky loans.</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;We couldn&#8217;t afford to make the bet that the changes were not going to be permanent,&#8221; Mudd said.</em></p>
<p>The Republican-led deregulation turned investment firms into competitors in the mortgage market. Wall street deregulation allowed these investment firms to treat the mortgages AS investment vehicles for others. Fannie/Freddie thus risked losing business, which in turn would threaten lending for affordable housing, so they had to climb on board to some extent.<br />
ANd the bottom line is that it was the GOP-enabled unregulated Wall Street investment firms that then did not &#8216;hold&#8217; each mortgage as a single asset/liability contract, each with a specific value but instead bundled them into investment vehicles which were then promoted because their <em>real </em>value was in the commissions based on the sales.<br />
Lossning the terms of the mortgages encouraged the buying of mortgages which meant more &#8216;investment vehicles&#8217; to sell and make commissions on.<br />
Add to that the speculation that then on stocks of the companies offering these &#8216;investment vehicles&#8217; and that&#8217;s how they were &#8216;valued&#8217; and it&#8217;s that &#8216;value&#8217; that has been lost ( I&#8217;ll guess half (?) the Wall street &#8216;losses&#8217; are actually just profits not realized. For the actual mortgage buyers though the losses are all too real.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5374856', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: livelongandprosper</title>
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		<dc:creator>livelongandprosper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;At a hearing in September, former top government economic experts agreed that conservatives were pushing myths, rather than facts. &lt;/em&gt;

And the MSM have done NOTHING to separate fact from myth.  Much like the last 8 years, and I don&#039;t know how many more years before Bush the Stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>At a hearing in September, former top government economic experts agreed that conservatives were pushing myths, rather than facts. </em></p>
<p>And the MSM have done NOTHING to separate fact from myth.  Much like the last 8 years, and I don&#8217;t know how many more years before Bush the Stupid.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5374852', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo Hussein Baggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilbo Hussein Baggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that the closer we get to Obama&#039;s inauguration the more truth seems to be seeping out.  Hopefully this is a trend that will continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that the closer we get to Obama&#8217;s inauguration the more truth seems to be seeping out.  Hopefully this is a trend that will continue.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5374836', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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