ThinkFast: December 12, 2008
ThinkFast: December 12, 2008
Republican senators blocked a $15 billion bailout to General Motors and Chrysler late last night, after insisting that autoworkers accept “steep cuts in pay and benefits” next year. Reacting to the news, “[s]tocks tumbled around the world and the dollar slumped…threatening to deepen the global recession.”
At a closed-door GOP lunch Wednesday, Vice President Cheney reportedly warned that it will be “Herbert Hoover” time if an auto bailout failed to pass, according to a senator familiar with the remarks. “A Cheney spokeswoman would neither confirm nor deny the vice president’s remarks.”
General Motors is hiring bankruptcy counsel “to prepare for a filing if Congress does not authorize $14 billion in emergency federal loans.” GM and Chrysler’s “only chance of survival” might hinge on the possibility that funds may be tapped from the $700 billion Wall Street bailout package.
The Swedish government is preparing a $3.5 billion bailout for Saab and Volvo. The plan consists of credit guarantees and rescue loans. “The government plan will now be presented to parliament for approval.”
Controversial NASA Administrator Michael Griffin is denying reports that he is muzzling employees from speaking openly and honestly with President-elect Obama’s agency review team. “This report, largely supported by anonymous sources and hearsay, is simply wrong,” Griffin wrote in an e-mail to NASA employees.
Yesterday, the Bush administration finalized rules that will accelerate drilling projects and power plant construction. The Interior Department eliminated “35-year-old regulations in the Endangered Species Act that required an independent scientific review of proposed federal projects to determine whether they imperil protected plants and animals.”
The Bush administration issued new rules yesterday for the H-2A guest worker program that “it said would lessen the bureaucratic burden on employers seeking to hire foreign farm workers.” Critics of the rule change argued that that changes would “depress wages and working conditions.”
More Americans “believe in the devil, hell and angels” than believe in evolution, a new Harris poll finds. 47 percent of Americans said they believe in evolution, while 40 percent said they believe in “creationism.” Additionally, 73 percent believe in heaven, and 59 percent believe they devil exists.
Senate Republicans, including Sens. Arlen Specter (R-PA), Chuck Grassley (R-IA), and Jon Kyl (R-AZ), are trying delay confirmation hearings for Eric Holder. Yesterday on the Senate floor, Grassley said, “Public reports have just emerged that in 2004, the Governor of Illinois hired or sought to hire Mr. Holder.”
President-elect Obama plans to include billions of dollars of health care spending in his stimulus proposal, aiming to expand the State Children’s Health Program and extend COBRA benefits, among other provisions. Obama explained yesterday that the health care crisis “is part of the [economic] emergency” and thus demands immediate attention.
And finally: John McCain does his Blagojevich impersonation. McCain opened his Letterman appearance last night by joking: “I don’t want to talk about the BLEEPING campaign, understand? [Laughter] If you think I’m gonna go back to that BLEEPING situation, then – then BLEEP you.”
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FILLIBUSTER.
If they want to block legislation there has to be a price. If that price is everyone’s weekend is ruined than so EFF’N BE IT.
Sometimes running the USA means you have to work weekends.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:06 amGrassley said, “Public reports have just emerged that in 2004, the Governor of Illinois hired or sought to hire Mr. Holder.”
Well, I’d bet that at sometime in the past that Grassley has been in the Senate’s Men’s Room, alone, with Larry Craig. Would you care to explain that, Senator Crassley?
December 12th, 2008 at 9:09 amPublic reports show unequivocally that Specter, Grassley and Kyl endorsed Alberto Gonzales for AG.
Perhaps they “don’t recall” this.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:18 amVice President Cheney reportedly warned that it will be “Herbert Hoover” time if an auto bailout failed to pass…
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Somebody needs to get Dick out of his bunker once in awhile so he can take a look at the real world. It’s been “Herbert Hoover” time in this country for awhile now.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:21 amGrassley said, “Public reports have just emerged that in 2004, the Governor of Illinois hired or sought to hire Mr. Holder.”
Well, if the reports can’t tell if the Governor actually hired or only sought to hire Mr. Holder, then perhaps those “public reports” are highly suspect. And I suspect that they consist of Specter, Kyle, and Grassley standing on a sidewalk somewhere (thus, “public”) telling each other this alleged news (thus, “reports”).
December 12th, 2008 at 9:25 amRepublican senators blocked a $15 billion bailout
And how did they block it? By threatening to filibuster. And Harry Reid, once again, caved without demanding that they actually filibuster, forcing the Republicans to go on record
December 12th, 2008 at 9:26 amoops.
Go on record opposing the deal. Voters need to know which Senators helped push us into a Depression so they will know how to vote in 2010.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:27 amYesterday, the Bush administration finalized rules that will accelerate drilling projects and power plant construction.
Whatever method Bush is using to gut this country needs to be taken away from the President. Why do we even have the legislature branch of government if the President can so easily make laws himself. And then why have the legislature when the Feds can take our tax dollars and give it to companies without having to have Congressional approval.
I fear that our government is hopelessly broken.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:30 amJust heard on CNN that the White House is considering using part of the TARP money to bailout the Auto industry.
On that note, why hasn’t there been the same scrutiny on $700 billion as there is on $15 billion?
Sounds penny wise and dollar foolish to me.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:31 amThe Bush administration issued new rules yesterday for the H-2A guest worker program that “it said would lessen the bureaucratic burden on employers seeking to hire foreign farm workers.”
GD it! This program is already abused and now he is removing all restrictions on it. So, the Bush Crime family has successfully outsourced our good jobs to India and now we have “insourced” the remainder of our good jobs. Congress needs to immediately pass a law to override this. I think they should do away with the H1 visas altogether, especially in this time of high white collar unemployment.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:34 amObama explained yesterday that the health care crisis “is part of the [economic] emergency” and thus demands immediate attention.
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Obama is correct. Not only that, the idea isn’t even new. When Clinton took office back in 1993, he wanted to reform welfare, but said welfare reform would be a waste of time if the health care system wasn’t fixed first.
Think of how many personal bankruptcies are caused by health care costs.
Think of how many more people are left vulnerable to crippling medical bills each year as more and more people are uninsured and more employers have to cut back benefits.
Think of how the spending power of citizens is dramatically weakened because of medical bills and/or prescription costs.
Think of how many people are forced to stay in bad marriages or in bad jobs purely for health insurance.
Think of how many businesses have to charge more for their products and services because of the cost of health care benefits for their employees.
Think of these businesses getting less revenue and having to lay off workers — leaving them poor AND uninsured.
Think of how much of the machine driving this vicious circle is health care costs — at every phase of the cycle.
Fix our health care delivery system, and the rest of the problems will become easier to solve. Obama has his priorities right on this one.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:36 am“Public reports have just emerged that in 2004, the Governor of Illinois hired or sought to hire Mr. Holder.”
And this is grounds for holding up his confirmation. How much further can the Republicans take this “guilt by association” or “possible association”. As far as I know, Blago was not under investigation for anything in 2004.
I think that Obama needs to talk to the nation about all this Republican obstructionism that is going on. He needs to remind us that the Democrats didn’t block Ashcroft, Gonzales or Mukasy even though they had problems with all three.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:38 amMissed This!!
CHICAGOLAND: RAHM REFUSES QUESTIONS
President-elect Barack Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, refused to take questions from reporters this morning about whether he was the Obama “advisor” named in the criminal complaint against Gov. Rod Blagojevich.
UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists
“Day with gays” flops — people relieved narcissists out
Designed to be a protest against the passage of Proposition 8, which bans same-sex marriage, the day’s events drew only scattered support in the Bay Area
Good Stuff!!
December 12th, 2008 at 9:38 amPresident-elect Obama plans to include billions of dollars of health care spending in his stimulus proposal, aiming to expand the State Children’s Health Program and extend COBRA benefits, among other provisions.
I’m not sure what extending COBRA will do. Most people who are unemployed can afford the premiums charged by that program anyway.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:39 amHow come these damn re-pukes didn`t ask these insurance ceo`s and bankers to take a paycut when they bailed them out, this is bull$hit the re=pukes from the south are union busting and act as though Honda, Toyota,Nissan and others are the new guys in town where all of their profits go back to Japan and the only thing that stays here are the modest wages that people make, As I see it it is a lot cheaper to live in the south than here in Michigan.Auto workers here in Mi need a good bit more to live here and deserve the wages they make.These right to work states and their re-puke senators and represenatives can all go to hell for being hypocrtical traitorous unamericans.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:40 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
Think of how many personal bankruptcies are caused by health care costs.
My daughter, the bankruptcy attorney says that health care costs are a significant part of 90% of all the bankruptcy filings she does and the main reason in 30-40%. And most of these people are middle class Americans who have Health Insurance. Unfortunately someone in their family got really sick and their uncovered medical costs push them over the edge.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:42 amI would like to thank everyone who posts here for ignoring the idiot troll ICEMAN. We did a good job yesterday, let’s do it again today.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:45 amRepublican senators blocked a $15 billion bailout to General Motors and Chrysler late last night, after insisting that autoworkers accept “steep cuts in pay and benefits” next year.
i was glad to hear the unions nixed those cuts… but that is the reason given when this was reported on the TODAY show…
December 12th, 2008 at 9:45 am‘it’s the union’s fault’…
The Diane Rehm on NPR will have her usual Friday program with pundits and “journalists” talking on current events. Here is some contact info for calling in or dropping an email. The program is at 10:00 a.m. EST. Email and/or call to set the “journalists” straight. They will likely parrotting the Beltway conventional wisdom that will blame the unions for the failure of the bridge loan. Don’t let these hacks get away with it.
Call in: 1-800-433-8850
December 12th, 2008 at 9:49 amemail: drshow@wamu.org
Grassley said, “Public reports have just emerged that in 2004, the Governor of Illinois hired or sought to hire Mr. Holder.”
I suppose the guy who tallied up Blago’s groceries should be denied a job with the federal government. And if his security detail applies for work with DHS, they should have their applications denied for having made small talk with the man they escort. If you have ever done so much as made eye contact with the governor of the 5th most populous state, you should become a caveman.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:49 amfrom randi’s homework page:
Southern Senators Already Had Their ‘Giveaway’
They’ve financed billions in help for FOREIGN CARMAKERS;
TENNESSEE
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2008/jul/24/chattanooga-vw-incentives-largest-state/?print
ALABAMA AND SOUTH CAROLINA
“….By the late 1990s there were signs that the big giveaway to BMW by South Carolina was exacerbating a fiscal crisis in the state. While the carmaker and other companies were enjoying minimal levels of corporate taxation, the state’s schools were falling into greater disrepair and educational achievement was worsening. Funds for other government services such as highway maintenance and public safety were also in short supply, leading to tax increases for families. “The foreign companies that come in here don’t care that the schools are terrible,” one philanthropist told a reporter. “They just want the cheap labor. And the incentives are so extraordinary.”
http://www.goodjobsfirst.org/corporate_subsidy/automobile_assembly_plants.cfm
Back Atcha!
December 12th, 2008 at 9:50 amJoe Babiasz gets fed up about Sen. Shelby and starts a website to boycott Alabama.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/10/boycott-alabama-joe-babia_n_149832.html
Compuware CEO Gets Into It Too
Peter Karmonos, Jr. writes a letter to Sen. Shelby to remind him of his past.
http://www.uaw.org/auto/11_25_08auto1.cfm
650 international scientists? Err, not exactly.
The list is padded with TV weathermen, economists and so on and contained very few actual climate scientists.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:50 amhttp://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/12/650_international_scientists_e.php
Hmmmm, I don’t seem to recall Repubs demanding pay cuts for Wall Street CEO’s or “workers.” This is all about the government displacing and removing unions from the work place. So much for free market repubs. Now we see how big finance controls this country.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:51 am“This report, largely supported by anonymous sources and hearsay, is simply wrong,” Griffin wrote in an e-mail to NASA employees.
Ummm…why would Griffin have to tell NASA employees that reports of their own supposed intimidation and/or lack of cooperation “were wrong” ?
I think he’s just corroborated the story.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:54 amAt a closed-door GOP lunch yesterday, Vice President Cheney reportedly warned that it will be “Herbert Hoover” time if an auto bailout failed to pass, according to a senator familiar with the remarks. “A Cheney spokeswoman would neither confirm nor deny the vice president’s remarks.”
Darth..is that you?
December 12th, 2008 at 9:54 amPerry logan Says:
650 international scientists? Err, not exactly.
Site a reputable source and it might be taken seriously! Left-Puke!!
December 12th, 2008 at 9:56 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
I’m not sure what extending COBRA will do.
As someone just going onto COBRA, I welcome any improvements to it. Given my pre-existing conditions, it is my only shot at having health insurance, short of some kind of national/universal plan.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:58 amSaw the documentary on PBS some time ago, Katy. Alabama is no state for job growth – evidence that low taxes doesn’t necessarily create jobs or keep them afloat.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:59 amBluegene Says:
They will likely parrotting the Beltway conventional wisdom that will blame the unions for the failure of the bridge loan. Don’t let these hacks get away with it.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:49 am
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I do hope you’re not lumping Diane Rehm in with those hacks. Diane is not one to let pundits get away with parroting talking points. She challenges them – sweetly and politely, but she challenges them.
That said, she’s not hosting today. It’s Steve Roberts, who’s not quite as tenacious.
December 12th, 2008 at 9:59 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
I would like to thank everyone who posts here for ignoring the idiot troll ICEMAN. We did a good job yesterday, let’s do it again today.
Indeed. The return of goon_golly should be met with silence.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:01 amToday I am more furious with Republicans than ever before – and I didn’t think that was possible.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:02 amTheir me-first philosophy is taking us all down and to make it even worse, they just don’t give a sh!t.
Perry logan Says:
A list of a couple of the scientist!
“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” – Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”
“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.
“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh
“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:02 amMcWars Says:
Saw the documentary on PBS some time ago, Katy. Alabama is no state for job growth – evidence that low taxes doesn’t necessarily create jobs or keep them afloat.
doesn’t do much for the schools either…
this corp welfare info is not out there… very little MSM reporting…
imagine that…
December 12th, 2008 at 10:03 amIn case anyone is wondering where troll du jour is getting it’s “talkin’ points”:
Dittoheads unite!
NEXT!
December 12th, 2008 at 10:04 amI’m sorry. I just investigated my link. It may seriously be the dumbest blog EVER.
It’s good for a laugh, tho, especially the 691 days until Republican’s take back Congress countdown.
I almost got to think it’s an Onion type blog, or a National Lampoon spoof. It’s that bad.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:08 ampush-back, but that’s ALL.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:08 amICEMAN Says:
Site a reputable source and it might be taken seriously! Left-Puke!!
December 12th, 2008 at 9:56 am
The latest Inhofe crapfest is nothing but recycled and thoroughly-debunked talking points that are not supported by the actual science.
Watch as Joe Romm tears apart the ridiculous claims that “sea levels have stopped rising” and “the sun is responsible for 50% of warming.”
http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/11/inhofe-morano-recycles-long-debunked-denier-talking-points-will-the-media-be-fooled-again/
Seriously. Science is conducted though peer-reviewed studies, not press releases. Inhofe is just grasping at straws, as usual.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:08 amgummitch Says:
Indeed. The return of goon_golly should be met with silence.
actually, perry logan left the perfect push-back – simply stating the facts without acknowledging the idjit.
ya gotta push back…
December 12th, 2008 at 10:08 amkaty Says:
The Global Warming Religion is based on a theory that has yet to be proven. Which makes your ecstatic and emotional crusade a complete laughable joke.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:13 amRepublicans are childish and selfish. When they want something passed, they cry and stamp their feet if they can’t get “an up-or-down vote”. But when they oppose something, they use every procedural tool they have (including “anonymous holds”) to stop a final “up-or-down” vote from ever happening. In other words, they only want things voted on that they support in the first place. They don’t believe in “Majority Rules” when they know they will lose.
Compare this behavior to the days when they controlled both Houses of Congress. When Members were being chosen to participate in the negotiations over the final version of a bill (the Conference Report), the Republicans wouldn’t even let Democrats sit in on the meetings. The final versions of many things passed under their tyrannical rule had no Democratic input, and Democratic amendments that had overwhelming bi-partisan support were often stripped from the Conference Reports.
While there is blame to go around on both sides of the aisle, Republicans have been the most obstructionist and unfair. They rarely, if ever, act in the best interest of the average American. They almost always act in the best interests of Corporate America. If political campaign contributions from corporations ever get permanently banned (as well they should), Republicans would be hard pressed to raise money to run.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:14 amThanks for the link toasterhead.
The ICEMAN dumbeth.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:15 amIt’s not the planet that’s getting warmer, it’s the thermometers!
December 12th, 2008 at 10:19 amICEMAN Says:
The Global Warming Religion is based on a theory that has yet to be proven. Which makes your ecstatic and emotional crusade a complete laughable joke.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:13 am
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Gravity is a theory hat has yet to be proven. Are you going to argue that it doesn’t exist either?
You, like most science-denying idiots, are confusing the scientific definition of “theory” with the lay definition of “theory.” In science, “theory” is not synonymous with “myth.”
December 12th, 2008 at 10:19 amhussein toasterhead Says:
Are you floating right now??
December 12th, 2008 at 10:23 amI wonder if ICEMAN really wants to know the truth, or is more comfortable believing in the shadows.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:25 amTroll, get out of the basement or stick your head out the window for some fresh air. Your brain has been deprived of oxygen for too long.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:26 amMore Americans “believe in the devil, hell and angels” than believe in evolution, a new Harris poll finds. 47 percent of Americans said they believe in evolution, while 40 percent said they believe in “creationism.” Additionally, 73 percent believe in heaven, and 59 percent believe they devil exists.
No wonder this country is falling apart.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:27 am“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” – Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”
Out of context, of course. Read what Dr. Simpson actually said:
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As you can see, she’s not contradicting all the conclusions of the IPCC consensus. She’s just concerned about the overemphasis on atmospheric models, without inclusion of data from other factors such as land use and population growth, which are likely to make the predictions worse rather than better.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:29 amDoes ICEMAN look for the same scientific proof for Heaven and Hell as he does for global warming?
December 12th, 2008 at 10:29 amICEMAN Says:
Are you floating right now??
I thought I saw something floating.
*FLUSH*
December 12th, 2008 at 10:29 amThe Interior Department eliminated “35-year-old regulations in the Endangered Species Act that required an independent scientific review of proposed federal projects to determine whether they imperil protected plants and animals.”
I’m furious too, Marie, and I also couldn’t feel but helpless.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:32 amSeven out of 10 say Jesus Christ rose from the dead and that the Bible is, all or in part, the “Word of God.”
This is a sad commentary on the ignorance of Americans. Clearly most of these people have never actually read the often self-contradicting Bible. Or, I should say, some version of it. Did these 70% say which version of the Bible is the “Word of God”? There are many, and they don’t all agree with each other. So which is the “right one”?
I have a much easier time believing that human activities are contributing negatively to the changes in our climate we are experiencing than I do in either “the devil, hell and angels”, or God, for that matter.
Folks, there is no “big man upstairs” watching over us. God is not going to solve our problems. Only humans can do that.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:34 amReid, I swear to God you are the biggest wuss ever to occupy your office. Mc connell and his scumbags dropped their shorts and showed the country the true rotten soul of their party and even then you couldn’t get the stones to make them actually have to defend it. Unbelievable.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:34 amBush found a great butt-buddy for the Interior Dept when he chose the former Governor of Idaho, Dirk “Plastic Man” Kempthorne.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:35 am“and 59 percent believe the devil exists.”
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Well, in their defense, they have been watching Cheney operate for the last 8 years.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:36 ammarlow Says:
Reid, I swear to God you are the biggest wuss ever to occupy your office. Mc connell and his scumbags dropped their shorts and showed the country the true rotten soul of their party and even then you couldn’t get the stones to make them actually have to defend it. Unbelievable.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:34 am
There’s an echo in the air: F E I N G O L D…F E I N G O L D
December 12th, 2008 at 10:39 amhussein toasterhead Says:
As you can see, she’s not contradicting all the conclusions of the IPCC consensus. She’s just concerned about the overemphasis on atmospheric models, without inclusion of data from other factors such as land use and population growth, which are likely to make the predictions worse rather than better.
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Nice work, toasterhead. That always was g_g’s MO – taking someone’s statements out of context as so to alter their real meaning. Just nasty behavior…
December 12th, 2008 at 10:41 amGood morning, Zoo!
Dirk Kempthorne…former porn star?
December 12th, 2008 at 10:42 amhellinabucket Says:
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Does ICEMAN look for the same scientific proof for Heaven and Hell as he does for global warming?
I am skeptical of the Global Warming Religion, and you assume I am a religious fanatic??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Dumb lib.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:46 amGood morning, McWars. :-)
Thanks for that mind picture of porn star, Dirk. I’ll get you for that. :D
December 12th, 2008 at 10:51 amICEMAN Says:
hellinabucket Says:
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Does ICEMAN look for the same scientific proof for Heaven and Hell as he does for global warming?
I am skeptical of the Global Warming Religion, and you assume I am a religious fanatic??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Dumb lib.
Dumb and liberal? OXYMORON ALERT!
As for ICEMAN? MORON ALERT!
Hey troll, how does it feel to be on the way out of power?
December 12th, 2008 at 10:51 amA scientific theory is proven when a predictable result is derived from the set of factors that make up the theory.
The theory can then be tested by adding other factors that may change the result in a predictable way, change the result in an unpredictable way or not change the result at all.
It the predicted result occurs the added factor is then included in the theory. If the result is changed then the theory must be changed to accommodate the previously unpredicted result and then tested again according to the new prediction derived from the new argument.
If the new predicted result does not occur then the new theory is unproven. If the result occurs as predicted then the new theory is proven.
A ‘lay’ “theory” is a proposition, argument, inquiry which awaits the proof of a predictable result or results.
December 12th, 2008 at 10:52 amICEMAN Says:
I am skeptical of the Global Warming Religion…
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Clever sound bite and rather asinine. After a couple of decades of research by thousands of scientists, Global Warming is a bit more than just a another silly religion… ya know, like Christianity…
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and you assume I am a religious fanatic??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Dumb lib.
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Don’t know and don’t care where you stand, or sit, or lie, on religion. However, more than one high ranking Botch Admin official has come out of late and publicly stated the line between science and religion isn’t clear for them, which, if you’re the ***cough*** pragmatic rationalist you fantasize you are, should scare the Cheney outta ya.
Nice to know the Flat Earthers are alive and well, huh?
December 12th, 2008 at 10:55 amGood morning, 5th Estate.
Trying to explain the difference between scientific theory and layman’s theory to a true believer (or the truly stupid, such as the latest troll) is a waste of time.
I feel sorry for them sometimes…
December 12th, 2008 at 10:57 amHello, TRos. Long time no see. :)
I’m off to school, all. Have a great day!
December 12th, 2008 at 10:59 amRepublican senators blocked a $15 billion bailout to General Motors and Chrysler late last night, after insisting that autoworkers accept “steep cuts in pay and benefits” next year. Reacting to the news, “[s]tocks tumbled around the world and the dollar slumped…threatening to deepen the global recession.”
Hmmmm… my first thought when I heard the above news about all the stock markets around the world tanking on the news that the Repukes had torpedoed the auto bill was that Mitchy McChinless and his GOoPer buddies were busy congratulating themselves on their power and wanking off at the thought that they could cause all this…..
Why do Repukes HATE AMERICA????
December 12th, 2008 at 11:04 amICEMAN Says
December 12th, 2008 at 10:13 am
The Global Warming Religion is based on a theory that has yet to be proven. Which makes your ecstatic and emotional crusade a complete laughable joke.
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All right, I’ll bite — against my better judgment.
“Proof” is subjective, in that what constitutes “proof” is a body of evidence sufficient to convince one that something is true. The amount and type of evidence necessary to convince can vary from person to person.
For example, most of us believe the earth is round. Those of us who do have been convinced of that by something — even if we merely believe it to be true because someone we trust told us it was. Others of us require detailed scientific evidence. Still others need to circumnavigate the glove for themselves or fly off into space to look at the earth from a distance.
So my question to you is — what would you consider to be “proof” of global warming? What evidence would, if produced, convince you that global warming is real and a threat?
December 12th, 2008 at 11:06 amGM needs to file for bankrupcy and get rid of the unions. Average UAW salary 78,000, average salary of toyota workers 45,000, average American salary 25,000 Get rid of the unions and epa standards forcing the auto industry to spend billions for cars that americans will not buy
December 12th, 2008 at 11:08 amAdditionally, 73 percent believe in heaven, and 59 percent believe they devil exists.
And 100% believe in what they believe they know, believing they know enough to believe what it is they believe.
Here’s a simple test:
An atheist and a believer stand on the edge of a building 100 floors up.
It is the believer’s job to convince the atheist that there is in fact a God and a place in heaven for believers.
The atheist contends that some proof of God is needed in order to believe, just as for example there is proof that the sun rises in the east every morning and thus the atheist believes that the sun will always rise in the East every morning.
Now as to the existence of heaven, only death will prove that. As to the existence of God, God will have to do something that only God could do, and the atheist will have to observe the miracle.
So the test is that they both jump off the building to see what happens.
The atheist predicts that either they will both fall to their deaths the end, but if there is a God, God will save the believer from death whilst the atheist will die but having observed the miracle, will become a believer and will then die in the knowledge that the existence of heaven will also be proved.
So the believer has to jump first.
December 12th, 2008 at 11:17 amGoodbye Mustang, hello 370Z…
December 12th, 2008 at 11:45 amYeah, I’ve let my weight get up to 350 or so…ever since I got broadband I haven’t been getting much exercise..tried quitting cigarettes, but it only made me switch to Camel unfiltereds…
December 12th, 2008 at 11:45 am…but I don’t believe in this Heart Attack Religion, no sir….
Iceman, what if you’re wrong? What’s the harm in objective scientific investigation of global warming causes?
December 12th, 2008 at 11:59 amjeff163 Says:
Get rid of the unions and epa standards forcing the auto industry to spend billions for cars that americans will not buy
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Sorry, jeff, but yer a stone idiot. They covered this in the NY TImes the other day. The story about union workers earning $70/hr is BS. Union wages add about $800 to cost of an AMerican made car. And foreign car makers have to deal w/ the same EPA standards that domestic car makers do.
Perhaps you’d prefer to live in a world where hardly anyone can afford to buy the cars Ford or GM make, and the air’s so dirty you can’t afford to breathe that either.
Stupid, jeff… just plain stupid.
December 12th, 2008 at 12:03 pmThanks for pointing out exactly what the obstructionist republicans have in mind……..I would add that your income figures are typically wrong also.
December 12th, 2008 at 12:05 pmWow, American are a bunch of stupid SOBs. I guess this is news? It’s moments like this when I wish we could let the Republicans have their own country and just watch it sink into the third world.
December 12th, 2008 at 12:28 pmjeff163
Repeat after me, “I’m a union-busting fascist.” Thanks for making yourself known only as a wrench in the machine of American politics, cracker. In your world, employees should work on the cheap and have no say while you comfortably live in mom’s basement.
December 12th, 2008 at 12:30 pmThe average auto worker makes $28/hour or about $60,000 a year. That is a good, solid, middle class job. The article at The New Republic estimates that workers at non-unionized plants make closer to $52,000 a year on average.
The $70/hour estimate comes from adding the cost of benefits and overhead on top of the wages. That estimate cannot be compared directly to the wages at a non-unionized car plant without also taking into account benefits and wages at that plant.
The Republicans who are touting these figures know that they are lying.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=1026e955-541c-4aa6-bcf2-56dfc3323682
December 12th, 2008 at 12:34 pmI wonder if the trolls got a new grant?
December 12th, 2008 at 12:36 pmMcWars Says:
Hey troll, how does it feel to be on the way out of power?
I think it will be a very welcome introspective to most intuitive and non-fanatical democrats to judge how they view politics. with one of there’s pulling the trigger.
December 12th, 2008 at 12:38 pmYou fool, are you seriously so obtuse as to not be able to see that the trigger has already been pulled. It is now up so real Americans to staunch the bleeding before the patient dies.
December 12th, 2008 at 1:06 pmBernie Madoff charged with fraud for running a $50 billion ponzi scheme. The SEC and SIPC had no clue.
Bernie gets bail based on his signature. Welcome to Bush’s zero tolerance.
Another NY thief Marc Dreier bilked investors of $380 million yet he remains in jail.
Another nail in the coffin of investing.
December 12th, 2008 at 1:08 pmWSJ refers to Daschle double duty as a “duel” appointment. Murdoch lowers the bar, yet again.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/12/11/daschle-to-head-duel-health-care-posts-in-obama-administration/#comment-280240
December 12th, 2008 at 2:33 pmAdjust senate pay to uaw scale . Seems fair to me
December 12th, 2008 at 3:28 pm