Anti-gay, anti-choice, pro-assassination pastor to give inaugural invocation.
Anti-gay, anti-choice, pro-assassination pastor to give inaugural invocation.
Pastor Rick Warren will deliver the invocation at President-elect Barack Obama’s inauguration on Jan. 20. While he is a recognizable celebrity and best-selling author, Warren also advocates a number of deeply anti-progressive views. He supported California’s anti-gay marriage Proposition 8 and has likened gay marriage to polygamy and incest. He is strongly anti-choice, and has equated abortion to the Holocaust. Warren also supports the assassination of foreign leaders. Appearing on Fox’s Hannity and Colmes on December 3, Warren agreed with Sean Hannity’s assertion that “we need to take him [Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad] out,” saying that stopping evil “is the legitimate role of government.” He added, “The Bible says that God puts government on earth to punish evildoers.” Watch it:
On a positive note, Faith In Public Life notes that Rev. Joseph Lowery, a civil rights icon and supporter of same-sex marriage, is giving the benediction at the end of the event.
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Great. Obama’s giving a shout-out to the fundies.
Goody.
NOT.
December 17th, 2008 at 5:46 pmWHY??? Come on Obama. Being inclusive doesn’t mean letting the foxes in the henhouse. Show these religious freaks the door.
December 17th, 2008 at 5:47 pmWho decides this sort of thing? Is this the decision of the president elect?
December 17th, 2008 at 5:48 pmWTF?? Under what sub-heading of CHANGE does Rick Warren reside?
December 17th, 2008 at 5:49 pmThis sucks.
December 17th, 2008 at 5:53 pmWhy are there invocations and benedictions at any government function? It’s not f ucking church!
December 17th, 2008 at 5:54 pmLeftside Annie Says
December 17th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Great. Obama’s giving a shout-out to the fundies.
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Oh, let’s look at this creatively. Warren is giving the invocation at the beginning (while Bush is still technically president), and Lowery is giving the benediction at the end. What better way to symbolize “out with the old, in with the new” — the very definition of change?
December 17th, 2008 at 5:58 pmThat’s an interesting point, Miss Molly. :-)
December 17th, 2008 at 6:01 pmGag, gag, gag. Call me DISAPPOINTED. Can I have my contributions back?
December 17th, 2008 at 6:04 pmBy George! I think she’s got it!
December 17th, 2008 at 6:04 pmIt is unfortunate that Barack Obama and Joe Biden are what I would call bigots-lite with respect to gay marriage. They just don’t seem to get that gay people deserve civil rights the same as everyone. They may understand intellectually, but they don’t really care deeply enough to participate in the fight. It’s really quite sad. However, they are a better choice than the openly bigoted Republican candidates they ran against. His choice of a rabid bigot like Rick Warren for his inauguration means I will not watch what would otherwise be a happy moment.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:12 pmF uck off, Daryll!
December 17th, 2008 at 6:27 pmSo if Iran thought Sean was “Evil” then they have every right to take him out?
Just saying.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:33 pmNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
NOT pRICK WARREN!
too bad… so sad…
the guy is a charlatan…
December 17th, 2008 at 6:34 pmsaying that stopping evil “is the legitimate role of government.” He added, “The Bible says that God puts government on earth to punish evildoers.”
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Gee Ricky….what if the rest of the world governments deem us as evildoers? Are you okay with the deaths of thousands of innocent American men, women and children all because of the unGodly actions committed by the evildoers within our own government?
Why Barack Obama wants to have anything to do with this self glorified false prophet is beyond me.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:37 pmWhat a lousy choice. Obama must have let idiot choose a man filled with such hateful rhetoric. Or maybe he was the idiot.
What a stupid idea.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:37 pmRupturedRectum – How’s that magical invisible faerie in your head doing, still predicting a Phuckabee win for president…???
Your god is made up by ancient goat herders, you are a fool, so go back to your flogging closet and whip the gay out for a couple of hours.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:39 pmWarren may not come across as big of an a**hole as Falwell did, but that doesn’t make Warren’s ideas any less repugnant.
The President-Elect should know better.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:41 pmRaptureReady are you still here? I thought you were raptured up to meet the Anti-Christ. You know the guy who will fool millions of Christians who will blindly flock to him once he proclaims himself as Jesus Christ, much in the same way you morons blindly flocked to born again (cough, cough) George W. Bush and supported him while he systematically destroyed our economy, shredded the constitution, lied us into war and used the Lords name in vain to defend his sinful, murderous actions.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:42 pmWeird. Missmolly puts the best possible progressive spin on it, but this still just seems….inexplicable. I wonder what Rev. Wright will say about this? Could this in anyway be intended as a slap? Who does make this choice? Very strange.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:48 pmdbadass Says:
Who decides this sort of thing? Is this the decision of the president elect?
Diane Feinstein? She is the Chairman of the Joint Congressional Committe on Inaugural Ceremonies. I hope Obama didn’t pick Warren. Didn’t he just give Bush the “First International Award of Peace”? Warren is a fraud.
December 17th, 2008 at 6:49 pmWhat a major disappointment.
Um, note to Team Obama: You WON the election, you can stop pandering now!
PEACE
December 17th, 2008 at 6:49 pmok, molly… maybe…
you ARE a better person than i am…
hope you’re correct also!
December 17th, 2008 at 6:51 pmHow utterly disappointing Mr. Obama.
This is an incredibly stupid move.
What will follow, a line dance with the KKK?
Sitting between Rove and Cheney for a quick “ski-poling”?
What’s next?
I guess this only goes to enforce the notion that blacks don’t view the gay “plight” with ANY empathy whatsoever.
Shame, shame…
December 17th, 2008 at 6:54 pmWhy couldn’t he find a UCC minister?
God is still speaking
All are welcome here
Ken Salazar wore his faith badge in his few words regarding his Interior Dept. appointment.
I guess Obama’s UCC ties weren’t much after all. What will Bill Moyers, fellow UCC’er, say?
December 17th, 2008 at 6:55 pmrachel, on AirAmericaRadio, just now, brought up the national day of works (?) that obama has called for, on jan.19 – MLK day…
the news account she read stataed that groups involved will be, such as “move-on from the left and focus on the family from the right” (paraphrased)
FOCUS is the group who prayed that it RAIN on obama’s nomination at the democratic convention.
she said “just don’t invite those people”…
i agree.
c’mon, barack. they will just stab you in the back first chance.
it’s time to quit coddling. they’ve helped to destroy this country.
ENOUGH!
December 17th, 2008 at 7:04 pmTime to face the facts.
Obama is a Christian.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:06 pmWrite the transition team at http://change.gov/page/content/contact/
It’s hard to believe that Obama would validate a self-absorbed phony like Warren. I’ll have more on the Boiled Frog Blog tomorrow.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:13 pmThe more things change, the more they stay the same.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:13 pmi wouldn’t call in pandering. o’bama is a confident intellectual, persuasive individual. he’s explaining the concept of “what’s best for the people” to these religious knucklehead’s; it’s more about wearing these people down and getting them past the pick and choose aspects of religion.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:14 pmI simply cannot see this as some kind of transitional, symbolic gesture. Leaving the Sec Def in place is one thing – that smacks of pragmatism. Obama and Warren have been close for years. I think that’s really unfortunate and indicative of what we can expect for the future of civil rights for the LGBT community. I am deeply saddened by this as I supported the “O” man from the beginning and have fought tooth and nail for my rights to marry who I choose. And before trolls jump on me for this comment let me explain that I am BISEXUAL and I will not marry ANYBODY until I am free to marry ANYBODY.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:23 pmAnother example of his “reaching across the isle”. Can someone name ONE time bu$h and the neo-pukes showed this at any level?
I too am disappointed. I am also gravely disappointed in his Interior Secretary choice, and what could be another repuke appointment to transportation sec.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:24 pmAnyone surprised by this was not paying attention during the campaign before the conventions. Obama has principles he will not betray when it comes to discrimination based on race or gender or religion, but when it comes to discrimination against gays and lesbians, we are all under one big tent and need to learn to just get along. Donnie McClurkin should have told anyone that.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:37 pmIt will be a cold day in hell before we see ANY pro-gay initiatives or efforts or even nods of the head from Obama or his administration. We will be told that there are just too many other things crowding us out of the way (economy, war), that “everyone” has to be brought on board first (DADT) or that it is simply up to Congress, not the President (DOMA).
We won’t hear anything from this administration about gays and lesbians until our votes are needed again, and since he won’t be running in any more Democratic primaries, that will probably be never.
Lovely, Anything else you wanna tell us to make our day worse? I’m starting to 2nd think this choice we all made, it’s one thing to speak and work with the other side but do we have to let everyone in? This is such a big slap in the face to the people that supported him during the election. I’m pissed!
December 17th, 2008 at 7:45 pmCome on now!
Why give this goof a stage on your historic day?
Unbelievable.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:54 pmmisshusseinmolly
Thanks once again for your level head. I was about to blow a gasket.
December 17th, 2008 at 7:59 pmIf this stands, I will require massive amounts of additional medication. It would be a tremendously disappointing start to Obama’s presidency. Other than to drive me further into the arms of Pfizer, Smith-Kline Beecham, Roche, Merck, GlaxoWellcome, Cephalon et al, why? Why?
-AF
December 17th, 2008 at 8:17 pmAndrew Sullivan Is A Fraud
I didn’t vote for Obama because he’s a conservative. Everyday, Obama reminds me again why I didn’t vote for him or McCain.
December 17th, 2008 at 8:32 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
cd Says:
Time to face the facts.
Obama is a Christian.
No, time to face the facts.
Obama is BLACK and black people are for the most part CONSERVATIVE except on a few issues… Obama is NO DIFFERENT…
There’s a reason why Prop 8 received the highest percentage of votes from folks like Daryll… If Republicans weren’t so racist, most blacks would still be republican just like they were after the civil war…
I don’t think you know many African-Americans let alone Black people. I’ll school you in for a brief sec.
Tell me your meaning of “conservative.” It’s the opposite, they are very progressive, the most progressive against all odds.
I think the bill was very poorly written. It was one of those round about questions.
A thought: when million of voters read the props on the election form, they usually read the bolded headings. The officials who drew up the format is well aware of it too. Very few people read the explanation that’s under the bolded type.
You really don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. But then again you are very lonely with your type of “thinking.”
You just love to waddle in shit.
December 17th, 2008 at 8:36 pmSomething isn’t quite right… Where are they???
December 17th, 2008 at 8:36 pmHe’s a politician. That’s what they do.
December 17th, 2008 at 8:41 pmNO FCUKING WAY !
December 17th, 2008 at 9:00 pmAfter eight years of the worst president in American history, a president who claims to be a born-again Christian, even as he’s gone on a drunken binge during his sorry time in office, President-elect Barack Obama MUST prove that he is not George W. Bush, nor anything close to George W. Bush, nor a religious, hypocritical flake like George W. Bush…which really makes me wonder why Barack Obama chose this sorry excuse for a human, Rick Warren, to be anywhere close to his historic inauguration.
Obama’s former minister Rev. Wright would have been far more preferable, but in choosing this right-wing nut-case Rick Warren, it now appears that Obama’s initial, pre-primary associations with gay-bashing ministers was just put on the back burner through the primaries and until after he won the general election…which makes me wonder what else he is going to reverse himself on once he is sworn in as our 44th president. Will he rehire Monica Goodling to screen people for his Justice Department? I don’t know.
But the idea that Rick Warren was even asked to appear anywhere close to Barack Obama on inauguration day really makes me question the judgment of Obama and his transition team. Can we expect even more questionable judgments? Will Obama just be Bush-lite, pandering to the religious fundamentalist terrorists in our country?
For instance, will the Obama administration reveal the total number of copycat terrorist mailings that have occurred in America since the first lethal anthrax terrorist mailings happened in late 2001? My estimate places the number at several hundred thousand, with a huge majority of terrorist mailings originating from right-wing “Christian” religious nuts sending non-lethal powder in envelopes to progressive/liberal individuals and organizations over the past seven years.
Obama’s selection of the foul Rick Warren indicates to me that his administration will not do anything that would embarrass (or lead to the arrests) of some of the most crazed religious fundamentalists in our midst.
I will remember this four years from now when President Barack Obama seeks to be re-elected to a second term. If he’s just Bush-lite, and actually tries during his first term to sweep under the rug all the criminal acts committed by Republicans under his predecessor, then I’m certain that there will be a better Democrat from which to choose in 2012.
December 17th, 2008 at 9:21 pmThe same sort of “Change” like the Obama economic and defense teams.
December 17th, 2008 at 9:27 pmKeltoi at Night,
This is not inexplicable to those of us who knew what Obama was all about way, way before anyone else.
You folks are just Slooooowww on the uptake!
Hahahahahahaha
December 17th, 2008 at 9:32 pmwizard,
Told ya so!
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
December 17th, 2008 at 9:33 pmCHANGE! No we didn’t!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
December 17th, 2008 at 9:39 pmpeople, people please. calm yourselves. obama is the same man he was was two months ago. it clear obama knows warren is WAY outta line when it comes to social issues, that was reinforced by the saddleback forum. the thing is, you are reacting parallel the way religious knuckleheads do to you. this guy will draw a huge christian audience to listen to obama give a speech about tolerance and uniting and progress. do you think all is lost with the knuckleheads?
December 17th, 2008 at 9:41 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Oh, let’s look at this creatively. Warren is giving the invocation at the beginning (while Bush is still technically president), and Lowery is giving the benediction at the end. What better way to symbolize “out with the old, in with the new” — the very definition of change?
Novel way of looking at one more of Obama’s Conservative, Pro-Wall Street, Pro-Military, and Pro-Surveillance picks, but this is his Inauguration with a beginning and an end. IT is seen as a complete “Act”, because that is what it is.
So now it is OK to criticize Obama? In the last month I have been called Nazi, Fascist, Right-Winger, and worse because
December 17th, 2008 at 9:42 pmI was critical of Obama while the high from the election was still in effect. Both parties are in on the looting and scamming of the American public. The difference is that Republicans are 99% corrupt while Democrats are 70% corrupt.
Maybe we could have a small coal-burning heater on stage, and then replace it at the end with an ethanol heater. Both are spewing forth high CO2 and hydrocarbons.
I am LOVING every minute of this because I know this is just the beginning!
You folks will be FROTHING at the mouth within the first 100 days of the new administration!
Welcome to the REAL world, chumps! Hahahahahahahahahahaha
December 17th, 2008 at 9:42 pmHi Tim Vaculik
December 17th, 2008 at 9:44 pmway to let a republican squeeze in a misinformed “i told you so”
December 17th, 2008 at 9:45 pmrhf,
Nice try, but a really pathetic comeback. Just admit it.
I knew more about Obama months and months ago than you probably EVER will. Why? Because you don’t seem capable of an open-minded examination of REALITY.
December 17th, 2008 at 9:45 pmIt’s gonna be so much FUN watching all the rationalization that’s about to ERUPT from the left! Hahahahahahahahaha
December 17th, 2008 at 9:46 pmdbadass,
I read some more interesting commentary from scientists today concerning the “climate change” hoax. Did you catch it?
December 17th, 2008 at 9:48 pmTim Vaculik Says:
I am LOVING every minute of this because I know this is just the beginning!
I understand your sentiment. Like I said prior, I was called the worse things you could think of when I was predicting this nearly 6 weeks ago. I don’t like to gloat, but only to speak in a logical way.
Hopefully the Progressives will see that they were scammed and tricked. Just look at his votes. They are his ACTIONS, and they speak many decibels above his sweet campaign talk.
December 17th, 2008 at 9:48 pmis it true that tim vaculik and rhf are the same person. i think so
December 17th, 2008 at 9:48 pmon_the_origin,
Well, pardon me while I engage in a little gloating. Actually, I predicted this would happen BEFORE the election results were in, so the situation progressives find themselves in is of their own making.
December 17th, 2008 at 9:51 pm“is it true that tim vaculik and rhf are the same person. i think so”
Just don’t accuse me of being them…
December 17th, 2008 at 9:51 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
That Obama isn’t the god of Progressives
Unfortunately, Air America and other Leftist media was pushing him as a Progressive. He is reversing on most of his campaign promises.
The only “Change” I see is a better environmental staff.
December 17th, 2008 at 9:51 pmDavid Plouffe, would repeat mantralike around headquarters. He said his least favorite words in the English language were, “I saw someone on cable say this. . . .”
December 17th, 2008 at 9:52 pmTim:
December 17th, 2008 at 9:53 pmNo I didn’t catch it. I was sort of just doing my own thing today and what with limited media I must have missed it…
Brain,
O.K., I feel better. No more gloating. None of us really have the luxury of gloating anyway.
I have a feeling I may be DEFENDING Obama from the screaming, leftist horde before this is all over!
December 17th, 2008 at 9:55 pmrhf is a closet anti-intellectual.
December 17th, 2008 at 9:57 pmHuh?
December 17th, 2008 at 9:57 pmbrian, i’m with you!! the guy hasn’t even been sworn in
December 17th, 2008 at 9:58 pmComplaining about something that somebody complained about at sometime when someone else was complaining about something else while others where complaing about the same yet somehow at sometime different….
Double Huh!
December 17th, 2008 at 9:59 pmdbadass,
Here’s a linky:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468084,00.html
December 17th, 2008 at 10:00 pmdbadass,
I think RHF must be channeling EugeneDebs! Ha!
December 17th, 2008 at 10:03 pmSlow down there feller, you’re mixing people up again. Do you abuse pills in anyway?
December 17th, 2008 at 10:03 pmHoly Damn, I suspect the Rapture may be upon us. Watch above as I Recommend Tim Vaculik at 89. Still Mr. Debs can keep track of identities…
December 17th, 2008 at 10:05 pmit’s easy for people to nitpick his decisions, but this guy has a vision. this vision takes many working parts. parts from the left and parts from the right. if these parts can work together then……well, maybe i’m just naive
December 17th, 2008 at 10:05 pmthis whole environment of labels is really bad for one’s health
December 17th, 2008 at 10:09 pmIf someone says Hillary Clinton, weird shit might happen…
December 17th, 2008 at 10:13 pmPerhaps Obama’s just letting the foxes SEE what it’s like in the hen-house. To actually get IN, they’ll have to shed their foxy ways.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:13 pmrhf, do you watch fox news or something, and i’m not being rude. you seem to have let the media tell his story. i just watched a special on link tv from 07 where he goes to kenya, much better idea of who he is and what he has seen. listen to his speeches, how can you say he is unable to articulate his ideas, i mean come on.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:14 pmnot bad linus
December 17th, 2008 at 10:14 pmdbadass,
Actually, RHF IS EugeneDebs. I don’t know why I didn’t see it sooner. It’s clear.
Doesn’t matter, but it explains everything…
December 17th, 2008 at 10:17 pmRick Warren is a big ugly TURD that needs to flushed.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:18 pmBefore the silliness progresses, I wanna know just what it is I am accused of whining about. Actually it doesn’t matter it is still equally goofy.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:19 pmWhen I am goofing on goofballs…
December 17th, 2008 at 10:21 pmWhy give a platform for the American Ayatola of Homophobia?
December 17th, 2008 at 10:25 pmLinus Says:
Perhaps Obama’s just letting the foxes SEE what it’s like in the hen-house. To actually get IN, they’ll have to shed their foxy ways.
Or perhaps he’s doing the Clinton Triangulation Softshoe. They can’t moan about being shut out when their grinning, presidential-inauguration-stand mugs are plastered all over YouTube.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:26 pmrhf you are embarrassing yourself
December 17th, 2008 at 10:26 pmrhf is karl rove
December 17th, 2008 at 10:27 pmPhuck the bigots. They deserve to be shut out.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:28 pmjb i hear yea but you sound a lot like them
December 17th, 2008 at 10:29 pmMy Grandmother did hard time while dying of cancer because of her 1950’s abortion clinic. They give no quarter and they deserve none.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:31 pmTo make nice with people like Rick Warren is to acquire some of their stench. Is this a way of thanking all the Gay people who supported Obama?
December 17th, 2008 at 10:36 pmI’ve heard of inclusion, but isn’t that also a kind of festering sore, or a type of eye infection?
December 17th, 2008 at 10:37 pmInfection is the perfect metaphor.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:39 pmwell, you’re coming from an emotional place, but you gotta figure supporting obama was the right choice.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:39 pmThe guy who performed our wedding ceremony was a minister in the Church of the Blinding Light.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:39 pmWoulda been a better choice…
There are plenty of very fine religious people who don’t happen to be misogynistic, homophobes.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:42 pmthere are tons of better choices, that’s clear. you are making this a much bigger deal outta this than needed. obama has to know how this guy comes across
December 17th, 2008 at 10:42 pmJoin the Stop Rick Warren Group at My.BarackObama.com
http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/StopRickWarrensHateNOW
December 17th, 2008 at 10:43 pmNo doubt, Obama was the only logical choice and I still support him, but not on this choice and not on the FISA bill. I will continue to speak my mind and I hope I can make enough sense that some listen.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:44 pmhell, i recommended rupaul
December 17th, 2008 at 10:44 pmpleahy, you hate warren as much as he hates gay people. what makes your hate better
December 17th, 2008 at 10:57 pmnaw jb i agree with you. i just don’t feel like listening to the media blow this up for the next week. it’s like we’re getting right back into the silliness, not you. i’m talkin about the media storyline to come.
December 17th, 2008 at 11:01 pmWarren deserves our scorn if not hatred for his influence he has exerted over thousands of people. He has a right to believe whatever he wants, but no right to a public accommodation. To have this bigot involved with the inauguration invites the media sideshow that is so distracting from real issues.
December 17th, 2008 at 11:16 pmI guess he could have chose Rev. Wright, if he really wanted to stir up a hornets nest. Though I would have objected less.
December 17th, 2008 at 11:19 pmThe Purpose Driven Inauguration…
December 17th, 2008 at 11:53 pmGeez, Obama’s judgment just keeps getting worse! Couldn’t he have invited Jim Wallis, or Michael Lerner, or Frank Griswold? Frankly I’d rather hear from Jeremiah Wright than this clown.
December 17th, 2008 at 11:55 pmI have not had time to read through all of the posts above, but in case nobody has mentioned it, Rick Warren was apparently invited by Congress, not President-elect Obama.
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2008/12/liar-rick-warren-to-deliver-invocation.html
From Salon…
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/
This is the link to the inaugural committee. The Chairman is Diane Feinstein.
http://inaugural.senate.gov/cmte/
December 18th, 2008 at 2:14 amWhy didn’t Obama select TD Jakes.
Obama may have to learn the hard way that the conservatives sees Democrats as enemies.
December 18th, 2008 at 2:49 amSome change.
December 18th, 2008 at 9:34 amWhat’s that sound I hear? :
December 18th, 2008 at 9:36 amObamamania comes to a screeching halt.
I don’t understand why everybody is expressing dismay and surprise. Someone even suggested that Obama is somehow not responsible for this decision.
The fact is that early in the primaries Obama said that he would be continuing and supporting Bush’s faith based initiatives. He whent and kowtowed before AIPAC, as all American presidents must. He even stated his opposition to same sex marriage.
He also said that he does not intend on prosecuting members of the current administration for crimes committed during their appointments.
The only change that is apparent is that he appears to be a politician who is doing what he said he would.
December 18th, 2008 at 11:29 amWarren says,” the Bible says governments are to do away with evildoers.” (paraphraseing)He doesn’t mention when the Bible was written the governments were the “evildoers!”
December 18th, 2008 at 11:57 amnellieh Says:
Warren says,” the Bible says governments are to do away with evildoers.” (paraphraseing)He doesn’t mention when the Bible was written the governments were the “evildoers!”
December 18th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Corruption in government, and the resulting lack of justice, is a constant theme in the Bible, especially the Old Testament where every Jewish government – often called authorities – seems to be flawed.
These are probably the New Testament verses to which Warren alludes:
Romans13
These verses are not about justifying war, corporate influences on government, or insuring justice. They are about keeping good order in a society – a police function. These verses were written by the rascally Apostle Paul, a Roman citizen and Jew who was a well schooled Pharisee.
The phrase “…bear the sword…” is commonly used among present day Conservative Christians to mean the power that government wields. Among CCs the desire is that the one who bears the sword be honorable and just.
December 18th, 2008 at 12:12 pmlet me get this straight, murdering innocent babies, ok. Killing rapists, murderers, and terrorists not ok? This is progress?
December 18th, 2008 at 2:24 pmLOL so many of you conned yourself into thinking Obama was a closet athiest and it turns out he’s more of a Christian than W.
December 19th, 2008 at 1:25 amThey just don’t seem to get that gay people deserve civil rights the same as everyone.cetOwe no one anything, except to love one anotherBedava mp3 indir; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.sohbet
February 28th, 2009 at 10:35 amJust like the cold war when everyone who didn’t agree with the U.S. was either a communist or a communist sympathizer. toki This poor crazy guy spent half a decade being tortured because a bunch of stupid politicians araç sorgulama were sure the NVA was in bed with the Russians (minimal help) and/or the Chinese (ancient enemy of the vietnamese). ssk sorgulama You would think he would have learned from others’ mistakes. Guess not. Republicans need an enemy. key ödemeleri This century it apparently will be all Muslims, health all of whom must be alQaeda operatives.
March 1st, 2009 at 1:36 pm