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		<title>By: murderBYzeN</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/18/cheney-morality-of-torture/comment-page-2/#comment-5432484</link>
		<dc:creator>murderBYzeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nobody seems to care about the way captured americans are treated by Al Queda...so whats all the fuss about...remember, we are the evil racist imperialist swine...why is it we are the only nation that isnt allowed to torture...I dont get it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nobody seems to care about the way captured americans are treated by Al Queda&#8230;so whats all the fuss about&#8230;remember, we are the evil racist imperialist swine&#8230;why is it we are the only nation that isnt allowed to torture&#8230;I dont get it?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5432484', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: murderBYzeN</title>
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		<dc:creator>murderBYzeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should give all terrorist a big ole teddy bear to sleep with at guantanamo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should give all terrorist a big ole teddy bear to sleep with at guantanamo<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5431998', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Fool Zero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fool Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, well!

It seems that Cheney has a bit of a history of remembering oaths of office in fanciful ways:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Am I the only one who noticed? I hope not. But just in case, let me note that Vice President Dick Cheney made a huge misstatement to his West Point audience on May 26. I hope that, at a minimum, the West Point history majors noticed it. Near the end of his speech at the United States Military Academy commencement, Mr. Cheney stated:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;On your first day of Army life, each one of you raised your right hand and took an oath. And you will swear again today to defend the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That is your vow, that is the business you&#039;re in.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Well, not quite. Here is the actual oath that newly minted officers in the U.S. Army take...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.antiwar.com/henderson/?articleid=11047&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cheney Misstates Military Oath&lt;/a&gt;, David R. Henderson, Antiwar.com, June 4, 2007</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, well!</p>
<p>It seems that Cheney has a bit of a history of remembering oaths of office in fanciful ways:</p>
<blockquote><p>Am I the only one who noticed? I hope not. But just in case, let me note that Vice President Dick Cheney made a huge misstatement to his West Point audience on May 26. I hope that, at a minimum, the West Point history majors noticed it. Near the end of his speech at the United States Military Academy commencement, Mr. Cheney stated:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;On your first day of Army life, each one of you raised your right hand and took an oath. And you will swear again today to defend the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That is your vow, that is the business you&#8217;re in.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well, not quite. Here is the actual oath that newly minted officers in the U.S. Army take&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/henderson/?articleid=11047" rel="nofollow">Cheney Misstates Military Oath</a>, David R. Henderson, Antiwar.com, June 4, 2007<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5395488', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: smchris</title>
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		<dc:creator>smchris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess that whole &quot;Hitler thing&quot; passed Cheney by.  Since the Holocaust, the greatest ethical realization has been that the greatest good for the greatest number (even when it is _not_ just an excuse for atrocity) must not trump individual inalienable rights.

But well before that, Cheney shames our Founding Fathers -- particularly the example George Washington set in the revolution.

I don&#039;t particularly blame the &quot;public&quot;.  They believe what they are told.  It saddens me that there are so few statesmen of high standing who have the wisdom and courage to take a public stand for what is right and so few media outlets that will give them a voice to broadcast it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess that whole &#8220;Hitler thing&#8221; passed Cheney by.  Since the Holocaust, the greatest ethical realization has been that the greatest good for the greatest number (even when it is _not_ just an excuse for atrocity) must not trump individual inalienable rights.</p>
<p>But well before that, Cheney shames our Founding Fathers &#8212; particularly the example George Washington set in the revolution.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t particularly blame the &#8220;public&#8221;.  They believe what they are told.  It saddens me that there are so few statesmen of high standing who have the wisdom and courage to take a public stand for what is right and so few media outlets that will give them a voice to broadcast it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5391816', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Vaculik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Vaculik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mtflyer,

I assume you are living in Iran, Cuba, North Korea, or perhaps China correct?

No patriotic U.S. citizen would ever utter such utter tripe as you just have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mtflyer,</p>
<p>I assume you are living in Iran, Cuba, North Korea, or perhaps China correct?</p>
<p>No patriotic U.S. citizen would ever utter such utter tripe as you just have.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5390978', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Vaculik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Vaculik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the bomb-thrower&#039;s attempt, no one has met my challenge concerning the legality of enhanced interrogation techniques.

Of course torture is illegal, duh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the bomb-thrower&#8217;s attempt, no one has met my challenge concerning the legality of enhanced interrogation techniques.</p>
<p>Of course torture is illegal, duh!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5390972', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: rewinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>rewinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s counting on a pardon from Bush.

But what he&#039;s not counting on is the law of conspiracy: any act taken in furtherance of a conspiracy is an additional act of conspiracy.

Cheney ordered torture (...or persuaded Boy George to order it...) with the plan of escaping punishment by getting a pardon. This makes a pardon PART of the plan of conspiracy; thus Cheney cannot extinguish his criminal liability for the conspiracy by a pardon (a pardon granted as part of a conspiracy cannot be the object of the pardon itself, since a pardon is only for past actions ...not an action taken at the same time as a pardon.)

Never in history has a sovereign pardoned a co-conspirator to a crime; pardons are part of the common law and there is no precedent for a president conspiring with a subordinate to commit a crime with the assurance that the co-conspirator would escape punishment via pardon.

Of course, you need a president with the courage to jail the bastards, something we don&#039;t know if we&#039;ll ever get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s counting on a pardon from Bush.</p>
<p>But what he&#8217;s not counting on is the law of conspiracy: any act taken in furtherance of a conspiracy is an additional act of conspiracy.</p>
<p>Cheney ordered torture (&#8230;or persuaded Boy George to order it&#8230;) with the plan of escaping punishment by getting a pardon. This makes a pardon PART of the plan of conspiracy; thus Cheney cannot extinguish his criminal liability for the conspiracy by a pardon (a pardon granted as part of a conspiracy cannot be the object of the pardon itself, since a pardon is only for past actions &#8230;not an action taken at the same time as a pardon.)</p>
<p>Never in history has a sovereign pardoned a co-conspirator to a crime; pardons are part of the common law and there is no precedent for a president conspiring with a subordinate to commit a crime with the assurance that the co-conspirator would escape punishment via pardon.</p>
<p>Of course, you need a president with the courage to jail the bastards, something we don&#8217;t know if we&#8217;ll ever get.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5390740', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: mtflyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtflyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blame for what Cheney and Bush have done falls on the voting public for being so stupid as to basically give them a go ahead to do as they please after 9/11, i.e. to violate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and proceed through fear-mongering to get enough people to swallow their lies and get them re-elected (of course they were NOT elected in 2000). The number of inbred imbeciles that surfaced during this last campaign showed how many neofascists are in this country. What a shame that there is no time machine so we could send them back to where they would be truly at home-Nazi Germany. Those who have supported and condoned the crimes against this country and humanity over the past eight years WILL be held accountable. Loyalty to President and party over that to God and decency will not be forgiven on judgment day! And Osama and company don&#039;t need to attack us again-we are the instrument of our own demise. They and the rest of the world are laughing at us and justifiably so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blame for what Cheney and Bush have done falls on the voting public for being so stupid as to basically give them a go ahead to do as they please after 9/11, i.e. to violate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and proceed through fear-mongering to get enough people to swallow their lies and get them re-elected (of course they were NOT elected in 2000). The number of inbred imbeciles that surfaced during this last campaign showed how many neofascists are in this country. What a shame that there is no time machine so we could send them back to where they would be truly at home-Nazi Germany. Those who have supported and condoned the crimes against this country and humanity over the past eight years WILL be held accountable. Loyalty to President and party over that to God and decency will not be forgiven on judgment day! And Osama and company don&#8217;t need to attack us again-we are the instrument of our own demise. They and the rest of the world are laughing at us and justifiably so.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5390150', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: mtflyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtflyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry alecto for the misspelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry alecto for the misspelling.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5390124', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: mtflyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtflyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bravo electo!
   Moreover this was a sacred oath they violated and GOD WILL NOT FORGET OR FORGIVE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bravo electo!<br />
   Moreover this was a sacred oath they violated and GOD WILL NOT FORGET OR FORGIVE!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5390120', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: mtflyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtflyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WEcan now be classed as a rogue nation in the eyes of the world. We have met the enemy and he is US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WEcan now be classed as a rogue nation in the eyes of the world. We have met the enemy and he is US.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5390114', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: mtflyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtflyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What goes around comes around. Cheney will be on the receiving end of this for eternity as he has a front row seat in hell reservced for him right along side such other sterling examples of humanity like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, et al. He is a true fascist. It just makes it very clear who has really been running the country into the ground the past eight years-Bush is simply a puppet. What a legacy he leaves behind:he has disgraced this country in the eyes of the world. Are we stupid enough to ignore the fact that whenever any of our soldiers or civilians are captured and tortured, we not have a leg to stand on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What goes around comes around. Cheney will be on the receiving end of this for eternity as he has a front row seat in hell reservced for him right along side such other sterling examples of humanity like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, et al. He is a true fascist. It just makes it very clear who has really been running the country into the ground the past eight years-Bush is simply a puppet. What a legacy he leaves behind:he has disgraced this country in the eyes of the world. Are we stupid enough to ignore the fact that whenever any of our soldiers or civilians are captured and tortured, we not have a leg to stand on?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5390112', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Alecto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alecto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;impeachcheneythenbush Says: 

“In my mind, the foremost obligation we had from a moral or an ethical standpoint was to the oath of office we took when we were sworn in, on January 20 of 2001, to protect and defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. And that’s what we’ve done,” he said. 

Just checking in today, so may be to late to add my comment or someone may have already said this in the other comments, but HERE is the vow the new President makes (as well as the V.P. and all new members of the Congress)

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

Guess again, Cheney. You, Bush and all those you directed in your administration BROKE this vow.&lt;/em&gt;

Not BROKE, it is called treason. And TREASON is NOT PARDONABLE. So, all these circle-jerk snickering Republotraitors had better get a backup plan because we are coming. And we are gonna come hard.

5 million on inauguration day surrounding chimp and deadeye. As soon as Obama finishes the oath of office, rush the stage and CITIZEN ARREST THESE FUKERS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>impeachcheneythenbush Says: </p>
<p>“In my mind, the foremost obligation we had from a moral or an ethical standpoint was to the oath of office we took when we were sworn in, on January 20 of 2001, to protect and defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. And that’s what we’ve done,” he said. </p>
<p>Just checking in today, so may be to late to add my comment or someone may have already said this in the other comments, but HERE is the vow the new President makes (as well as the V.P. and all new members of the Congress)</p>
<p>“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”</p>
<p>Guess again, Cheney. You, Bush and all those you directed in your administration BROKE this vow.</em></p>
<p>Not BROKE, it is called treason. And TREASON is NOT PARDONABLE. So, all these circle-jerk snickering Republotraitors had better get a backup plan because we are coming. And we are gonna come hard.</p>
<p>5 million on inauguration day surrounding chimp and deadeye. As soon as Obama finishes the oath of office, rush the stage and CITIZEN ARREST THESE FUKERS.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5389292', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Alecto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alecto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I betch a 50cal round would pierce that glass. Right through the melon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I betch a 50cal round would pierce that glass. Right through the melon.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5389286', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim Vaculik Says: 

O.K., geniuses. Please cite the U.S. law that was broken by using enhanced interrogation techniques.

Hint… you can’t do it.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

My GOD you are ignorant of COURSE I can. The convention against torture statute
http://opencrs.com/document/RL32438/2005-02-10

http://www.amnestyusa.org/war-on-terror/reports-statements-and-issue-briefs/torture-and-the-law/page.do?id=1107981

In 1994, Congress enacted a new federal law to implement the requirements of the Convention against Torture relating to acts of torture committed outside United States territory. This law, which is codified at 18 U.S.C. § 2340 et seq., extends United States criminal jurisdiction over any act of (or attempt to commit) torture outside the United States by a United States national or by an alleged offender present in the United States regardless of his or her nationality. The statute adopts the Convention?s definition of torture, consistent with the terms of United States ratification. It permits the criminal prosecution of alleged torturers in federal courts in specified circumstances. [p. 13]


So the question is do you only post here to show how ignorant you are and that you NEVER know what you are talking about or do you just enjoy making a fool out of yourself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Vaculik Says: </p>
<p>O.K., geniuses. Please cite the U.S. law that was broken by using enhanced interrogation techniques.</p>
<p>Hint… you can’t do it.<br />
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<p>My GOD you are ignorant of COURSE I can. The convention against torture statute<br />
<a href="http://opencrs.com/document/RL32438/2005-02-10" rel="nofollow">http://opencrs.com/document/RL32438/2005-02-10</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amnestyusa.org/war-on-terror/reports-statements-and-issue-briefs/torture-and-the-law/page.do?id=1107981" rel="nofollow">http://www.amnestyusa.org/war-on-terror/reports-statements-and-issue-briefs/torture-and-the-law/page.do?id=1107981</a></p>
<p>In 1994, Congress enacted a new federal law to implement the requirements of the Convention against Torture relating to acts of torture committed outside United States territory. This law, which is codified at 18 U.S.C. § 2340 et seq., extends United States criminal jurisdiction over any act of (or attempt to commit) torture outside the United States by a United States national or by an alleged offender present in the United States regardless of his or her nationality. The statute adopts the Convention?s definition of torture, consistent with the terms of United States ratification. It permits the criminal prosecution of alleged torturers in federal courts in specified circumstances. [p. 13]</p>
<p>So the question is do you only post here to show how ignorant you are and that you NEVER know what you are talking about or do you just enjoy making a fool out of yourself?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5389228', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Vaculik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Vaculik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.K., geniuses.  Please cite the U.S. law that was broken by using enhanced interrogation techniques.

Hint... you can&#039;t do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K., geniuses.  Please cite the U.S. law that was broken by using enhanced interrogation techniques.</p>
<p>Hint&#8230; you can&#8217;t do it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5389170', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/18/cheney-morality-of-torture/comment-page-2/#comment-5388870</link>
		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush is disgusting he doesnt even QUALIFY as a human being. We already KNEW that about Darth Cheney. Obviously these people not ONLY have no shame or sense of decency but they think things become true just because they say them. Delusional is far too tame a word to describe this form of insanity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush is disgusting he doesnt even QUALIFY as a human being. We already KNEW that about Darth Cheney. Obviously these people not ONLY have no shame or sense of decency but they think things become true just because they say them. Delusional is far too tame a word to describe this form of insanity<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5388870', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: impeachcheneythenbush</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/18/cheney-morality-of-torture/comment-page-2/#comment-5388756</link>
		<dc:creator>impeachcheneythenbush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;“In my mind, the foremost obligation we had from a moral or an ethical standpoint was to the oath of office we took when we were sworn in, on January 20 of 2001, to protect and defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. And that’s what we’ve done,” he said. &lt;/em&gt;

Just checking in today, so may be to late to add my comment or someone may have already said this in the other comments, but HERE is the vow the new President makes (as well as the V.P. and all new members of the Congress)

&quot;I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, &lt;strong&gt;preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;

Guess again, Cheney.  You, Bush and all those you directed in your administration BROKE this vow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“In my mind, the foremost obligation we had from a moral or an ethical standpoint was to the oath of office we took when we were sworn in, on January 20 of 2001, to protect and defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. And that’s what we’ve done,” he said. </em></p>
<p>Just checking in today, so may be to late to add my comment or someone may have already said this in the other comments, but HERE is the vow the new President makes (as well as the V.P. and all new members of the Congress)</p>
<p>&#8220;I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, <strong>preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>Guess again, Cheney.  You, Bush and all those you directed in your administration BROKE this vow.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5388756', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Cheney has always been so delusional or only since his first heart attack. I understand that it changes people. But I think he has always been this way. It is only since he attached himself to Bush&#039;s form of lunacy, that he is able to give in to his own.

This man is full of the most convoluted logic. That these two Bush and Cheney, could have come together and done what they have done is frightening. In crime there are sometimes two people who meet and become what just one of them might not have been. Sort of a symbiotic relationship. Where only together they become one terrible person. And had they not met, each might have gone on to do no real harm. It is water seeking it&#039;s own level. 

To say he is insane is not true of course. But he is a very disturbed man. Trying to explain it to him, would be like trying to describe color to someone without eye sight. He does not have the ability to feel compassion or empathy for anyone. He is unable to place himself in someone else&#039;s place, to try and feel what they might be feeling. Like Bush it is not in his nature to be introspective, or to understand his own nature or failings. This is what makes him so dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Cheney has always been so delusional or only since his first heart attack. I understand that it changes people. But I think he has always been this way. It is only since he attached himself to Bush&#8217;s form of lunacy, that he is able to give in to his own.</p>
<p>This man is full of the most convoluted logic. That these two Bush and Cheney, could have come together and done what they have done is frightening. In crime there are sometimes two people who meet and become what just one of them might not have been. Sort of a symbiotic relationship. Where only together they become one terrible person. And had they not met, each might have gone on to do no real harm. It is water seeking it&#8217;s own level. </p>
<p>To say he is insane is not true of course. But he is a very disturbed man. Trying to explain it to him, would be like trying to describe color to someone without eye sight. He does not have the ability to feel compassion or empathy for anyone. He is unable to place himself in someone else&#8217;s place, to try and feel what they might be feeling. Like Bush it is not in his nature to be introspective, or to understand his own nature or failings. This is what makes him so dangerous.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5388752', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: E. Seco</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/18/cheney-morality-of-torture/comment-page-2/#comment-5388572</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Seco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was unethical and immoral for us not to have prevented the attack of 9/11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was unethical and immoral for us not to have prevented the attack of 9/11.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5388572', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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