Limbaugh’s Crazy Conspiracy Theory: Democrats Started The Economic Crisis To Help Elect Obama
Limbaugh’s Crazy Conspiracy Theory: Democrats Started The Economic Crisis To Help Elect Obama
Today, the New York Times had an article about how right-wing talk radio is gearing up to aggressively go after President-elect Obama over the next four years. Rush Limbaugh demonstrated his commitment to this crusade today on his radio show by blaming Democrats — especially Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) — for starting the current economic crisis.
Here’s how Limbaugh’s conspiracy theory goes: Schumer caused on run on IndyMac bank in California this summer, in order to create a feeling of financial panic amongst the public. Democrats then capitalized on this panic with electoral wins in the White House and Congress. The purpose of gaining this power, according to Limbaugh, was to nationalize U.S. industries:
LIMBAUGH: Who’s benefiting? Aside from the people being bailed out. The Democrat party and Barack Obama are benefiting.
They got elected, they increased their numbers in the House, they increased their numbers in the Senate, they got the White House now, and they’ve got a crisis that people think can only be fixed with the all-mighty and powerful government interceding to save this or to save that, when in fact, the government is going to nationalize the automobile industry. It’s going to nationalize some banks. It’s going to nationalize the mortgage industry, and may end up nationalizing the automobile industry.
Listen here:
This theory is quickly becoming a right-wing favorite. Karl Rove and Bill O’Reilly also recently claimed that the economic crisis was deliberately manufactured — not by Democrats but by journalists who wanted to help elect Obama.
The economic crisis certainly wasn’t created within a five-month period, as these conservatives are claiming. As the New York Times wrote yesterday, the current situation was, in fact, long fueled by President Bush’s economic policies:
From his earliest days in office, Mr. Bush paired his belief that Americans do best when they own their own home with his conviction that markets do best when let alone. [...]
As early as 2006, top advisers to Mr. Bush dismissed warnings from people inside and outside the White House that housing prices were inflated and that a foreclosure crisis was looming. And when the economy deteriorated, Mr. Bush and his team misdiagnosed the reasons and scope of the downturn; as recently as February, for example, Mr. Bush was still calling it a “rough patch.”
CAP’s Tim Westrich has more on how the “root cause of the financial mess is the hands-off approach towards mortgage and finance markets by the Bush administration, and its lack of action when a disaster was imminent.” (HT: TP reader DK)
Transcript:
LIMBAUGH: Back to this October surprise. I am just wondering — as I say, it can’t be proven — I’m just wondering if a lot of this was by design to create economic panic. Remember now — the Iraq war had dominated everything, and the economy was said to no longer be an issue in the campaign for the first time. Corruption, other things were — ethics (well, the Republicans had those problems) — but the economy wasn’t. They wanted to create economic crisis, a mindset of this.
So Chuck Schumer starts a run — a $1.3 billion run on IndyMac, and then all of a sudden, look what we learn! All these mortgages are worthless. All the mortgage derivatives and the mortgage-backed assets are worthless. Everything was worthless. There was no there there. Every institution, every guy in the institution was an empty suit. We had to bail out this, we had to bail out that; it didn’t help. I just wonder if what was a planned attempt to scare people economically — starting a run on the bank, doing this, that, and the other thing — has spun so far out of control, it’s gone so far beyond what the intention was, just to win an election, that nobody knows what to do about it.
The only mitigating argument against is that the number one, the primary beneficiary of this — and you have to look that even in an economic collapse like ours there are beneficiaries — Who’s benefiting? Aside from the people being bailed out. The Democrat party and Barack Obama are benefiting.
They got elected, they increased their numbers in the House, they increased their numbers in the Senate, they got the White House now, and they’ve got a crisis that people think can only be fixed with the all-mighty and powerful government interceding to save this or to save that, when in fact, the government is going to nationalize the automobile industry. It’s going to nationalize some banks. It’s going to nationalize the mortgage industry, and may end up nationalizing the automobile industry. [...]
So the Obama team and the Democrat party are benefiting tremendously from this, even if it has spun out of control. It’s spun out of control, but they’ll make due with a new crisis they created a la Rahm Emanuel. But the reason I think it has spun a little out of control and gone a little further than they intended is that even the Obama people are saying, “Hey, it’s going to be really bad for a really long time.”
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is oxycontin a hallucinogen?
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:04 pmRove, O’Reilly, Limbaugh, and the rest are the worst enemies Republicans have. Their hateful, bigoted, and often stupid lies will keep the GOP in the tank, because the vast majority of people think they are all dishonest fools.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:08 pm‘Actually, the Democrats placed Bush in power for 8 years in order to win the election’! (sarcasm!)
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:11 pmThe problem is many ignorant people listen to Limpballs and crew. And they believe them!
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:15 pmUm…if Democrats REALLY had this much power, why would we have to worry about winning elections? We could just run the country the way we wanted to without worrying about constitutional organization and power.
And Democrats MUST have this much power, because the rightwing nutcases like Limbaugh have been claiming their audiences should be very, very afraid of us even when we weren’t controlling even one branch of government. Conversely, the GOP must be terribly weak in their eyes, since the world as we know it will cease to exist unless the GOP is controlling ALL branches of government. Go figure.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:17 pmSo…what is El Rushbo’s explanation for the last EIGHT flarking YEARS???
What a colossal asshat.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:19 pmLimbaugh’s Crazy Conspiracy Theory: Democrats Started The Economic Crisis To Help Elect Obama»
– - Make up your mind Rush, either the Democrats are omnipotent (see above) or impotent.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:23 pmWasn’t it Bush who nationalized those industries? Or, did the memo go out that he is now officially considered a “Democrat” by the right-wing?
This “theory” would be funny if millions of people who don’t know any better didn’t believe everything this awful man says.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:24 pmLimpdick needs to stay away from the hard stuff while taking “prescription” pain-killers. It’s probably too late, but it’s really affecting his little mind.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:26 pmI remember that Limbaugh began his first program after the inaugeration of Clinton with “America held hostage, Day 1!!” His theory then was that Ross Perot’s third party race unfairly gave the election to Clinton and so Clinton was somehow not worthy of respect as President.
This is his game and he’s running it. He’s there for the bitter, angry a-holes among us – they’re his demographic.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:27 pmLimpballs and Little Seanie’s strategy is pretty clear. They are going to piss and moan and make stuff up for the next eight years because they have nothing else to do. Their hope is that they can so thoroughly tick off the democrats that someone will suggest reinstituting the fairness doctrine. After that happens, they will cry fowl, garner sympathy amongst their brain-dead followers and become martyrs for the cause of free speech.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:31 pmWhen I see him in his golfing attire pumping his fist I can’t help but imagine being able to play him for money. Now, there’s a mark if I ever saw one.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:31 pmWhat an inventive new way to blame the Democrats for their own screw-ups. My compliments to Rush’s writers.
Incidentally, are wingers mad at Rush for helping Obama become President (when he urged his dittoheads to vote for Obama in the Democratic primary)? Is Rush remorseful over this? Just kidding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i_vquVDPgU
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:35 pmAmazing what drugs will do…look at what they have done to the drug addled, lard azzed, gas bag, who chases teenaged hookers in the Dominican Republic.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:39 pmI must confess (because I really need to get this off of my chest): I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh… I was in middle school and I came across his radio show one morning by accident.
It was appealing to me then because it opened my mind to see that things weren’t at all what they seemed as being reported by major news sources and in school.
That’s how he hooks so many people who don’t know any better. He gives the feeling that he’s letting you in on something those in power aren’t going to tell you. It didn’t take me long (6 weeks in fact) to realize that this hate-filled man was lying to me and using my ignorance against me.
As messed up as he is, I will never forget the invaluable lessons that Rush taught me (in the following order):
1) not everything is how it seems
2) just because it’s on the radio/tv doesn’t make it true
Thanks Rush! I am forever indebted to your dishonesty!
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:39 pmSo Limbuagh thinks that the crisis is artificial. So to him all these home foreclosures and banks failures were just an act.
The crisis is not new…it has been with us for sometime with no actions from Bush administration.
Republicans refused to paint the economic picture other than rosy one for so many years,until no longer such description became fit and their only remedy was to cut the rich man tax as the only solution.
The case is simple,
We borrow more than what we produce,and the purchase power of consumers are shrinking while personal and governmental debt is rising.
Health cost,school cost,Insurance and many others ate whatever left from consumers dollars to spend.
Rush does not feel the pain the general public is feeling now.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:44 pmHe is very wealthy man usning his lying tongue to make millions of dollars and that’s why he thinks it is a conspiracy and he is selling such claim he is making to his listeners..
Lying is something Limbaugh is good at, but it does not mean what he says or claims is the truth.
If this crisis is artificial, then why Republican Bush and the US Congress of both parties agreed to pay over a trillion dollars to stop the meltdown of mega banks and corporate market values at Wall Street.?
Obama needs all the right tools and the right brains to get us out of this economic mess we are in now,and let’s pray he succeeds.
The is a real economic problem we are in now and not a political one as Rush Limbaugh suggests.
Drug addicts are funny — in such a sad way.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:45 pmRush just slapped most of his listeners in the face by mocking this financial crisis — but they’re too stupid to know it.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:47 pmTo quote Rummy Dumbfeld, And “Henny Penny, the sky is falling.” Blame that on the Democrats, too, Limpballs!
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:48 pmThe molesting of underage prostitutes was caused by Dems in congress and NOT RUSH, he had nothing to do with it, with all those Viagra pills and stuff he takes to the Dominican Republic with him.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:50 pmRush Who!?
Ooh the guy who is the mouthpiece for the loser party.
RIP
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:52 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
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Mosul, Iraq
Lush Dirtbaugh is fighting to keep the Fairness Doctrine from returning. His broadcast (to a small audience –look at the People Meter numbers) is primarily over the public airwaves. The Fairness Doctrine can only apply to the publically licensed frequencies.
He will be forced to balanced his show over “our airwaves” or be forced to cable TV where his career will drop dead on arrival.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:54 pmI think the oxycontin which damaged his hearing has attacked his brain and he is even more deranged as time passes.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:57 pmThe Germans have a word for it:
Dolchstosslegende
This is the thin edge of the wedge, friends.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:58 pmRush is really naive to think that Obama won simply because the economic situation only.
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:00 pmOne can list over ten important reasons why Obama won the race.
One of those reasons is his opponent Senator McCain and running mate Sarah Palin were not strong enough to win the presidency.
People also were tired of 8 years of Bush’s Republican administration. The polls reflected that,and the loss of so many Senate and Congress seats indicates that there is more than just the economy that caused Republicans to lose. Economy was a factor…but not the only factor.
Sher ya can.
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:04 pmBut none of ‘em doesn’t implicate the GOPukes of the McStain Campaign.
The virtue of the Dolchstosselegende is that it rids you of your own responsibility for your failures.
The question is, “Why should anyone care what this draft dodging tub of shit thinks?”
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:05 pmtarazan,
Don’t forget the Iraq war which was the major issue until the economy tanked.
Did the Democrats start the illegal was in Iraq to gain power in 2008?
Lush Dirtbaugh would say, “YES!”
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:05 pmSorry “illegal was in” should be “illegal war in”
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:06 pmRush getting little to close to the truth. Better hurry up and get that fairness doctrine passed!! This is a laughable thought. As if the democrats had enough cooperation inside there own party to pull of something like that. Giving way way too much credit to this lovable and caring party.
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:12 pmNice to see that Limbaugh is just another “911 truther”.
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:13 pmSomehow I doubt that Rush Limbaugh actually believes what he says. He has a formula to get the wing-nuts frothing. He has his own little universe where nothing he says seems as insane as it is to an audience who has been listening to him for a long time. He’s a cult leader. It pays well. He probably has about as much regard for his audience as he has for the truth.
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:16 pmNobody is going to institute a new “fairness doctrine,” but there will probably some new ownership rules and a re-regulation of how many media outlets a given corporation can control in a given area.
I would also like to see a return of true public tv and radio as opposed to this corporate-sponsored stuff we have now. The reason public radio and television has gone downhill is that it’s not publically financed anymore.
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:21 pmI don’t know if he believes what he says, but he’s already admitted to “carrying water” for republicans.
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:23 pm“Somehow I doubt that Rush Limbaugh actually believes what he says. He has a formula to get the wing-nuts frothing. He has his own little universe where nothing he says seems as insane as it is to an audience who has been listening to him for a long time. He’s a cult leader. It pays well. He probably has about as much regard for his audience as he has for the truth.”
Why do I loathe him so much more than Coulter (but just as much as Beck)? I don’t get it, they’re both impossibly smug. I guess Coulter does her schtick with enough of a wink and a nod that I can see without a doubt that this is a well-paying gimmick for her, nothing more.
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:27 pmHe is so correct!!! All of those high ranking democratic CEO’s on Wall Street conspired with all of those homeowners who are such rabid liberals that they were willing to be thrown out of their homes to start the beginning of the crash. Then of course we liberals were all too happy to lose our jobs. I mean, it IS for a good cause, right? To get Obama elected, right? And of course, most of us demanded nothing BUT V8 Turbo powered, 4 wheel drive SUV’s to drive our kids to hockey in. And you know, the Detroit CEO’s of GM, and Ford did whatever they could to change our minds, and make smaller, more fuel efficient cars, but us liberals just wouldn’t listen. I know a lot of people were thinking way back when, before the shit hit the fan, that people like economists like Paul Krugman, were WARNING us about what was going to happen. But only Rush is smart enough to figure out, those weren’t warnings.. they were instructions… so that we could lose our homes, we could lose our jobs, we could plunge another dagger in the heart of organized labor, we could face the worst economic times this country has seen in over 100 years, and.. get Obama elected. Well done, folks. Now let’s go out drinking.. because we must .. umm.. celebrate.
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:27 pmThe Dems are benefiting because Chimpy and his band of crooks (including Limpbog) looked the other way !! And now for some of the FACTS…(I know they’re hard for the NeoNuts to fathom but they do exist…
David Kurtz has an interesting post over at TPM regarding Darrell Dochow, the west region director of Office of Thrift Supervision who has been removed for having approved a backdated capital infusion of $18 million into IndyMac by its holding company to stave off a downgrade in the rating assigned to the bank. LEADING TO IT’S COLLAPSE!
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/12/top_ots_official_removed_in_wa.php
Read ‘em and weep Limpbog…..
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:32 pmThis makes sense IF the message is coming from someone who places partisan identity to primarily an American identity. Where Limbaugh’s partisan rants fall short are in the details, the basic facts themselves simply don’t stand up to reason.
There is no need for progressives, or indeed Americans, to descend to their name calling level of discourse. IF nothing else, it is simply counterproductive.
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:35 pmDesperation is showing…maybe just maybe the voters were ready for a big change a different direction. They wanted a president who cares about the working class and not a one agenda president who is a war-monger. Without 9/11 Bush would have nothing to speak of.
I don’t have an economics degree from Harvard but I saw this disaster coming a mile away…
If Limbaugh and O’Reilley are saying something then it must be hyperbole. Why are people still listening to these morons!?!!?
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:36 pmLimbaugh is within range of doing shows on UFO’s. Let them wallow where they belong…on the political fringe.
December 22nd, 2008 at 6:48 pmIceman, third person plural possessive is “their” not “there”.
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:04 pmRush, I forgot, how did you spin the Dems winning the 2006 election by about 12%? Was that also what Schumer did in the summer of 2008? You know Dubya’s disapproval rating has been about 73% for a long, long time. About 85% of Americans have thought this country is on the wrong course for a long, long time.
The people can tell their wages and benefits have gone nowhere or down for about eight years now. They know a good job is very hard to find. They have heard about our deficit doubling in the last eight years. Many remember that Dubya inherited surpluses from Clinton. Two-thirds of Americans wanted out of Iraq two years ago, not maybe 2011.
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:13 pmOnoes, Rush is on to us!
Yep, after centuries of trying to “bring down the man,” we finally figured out their Achilles’ heel – black folks filling out loan applications. So we mobilized all the minorities in America to take out mortgages at the same time and – BOOM! Massive Wall Street collapse! Ha ha, take that, Whitey!
Also, Democratic Congressmen causing runs on banks because everybody knows how much people listen to them.
Also, journalists creating a huge financial meltdown by reporting that there was a huge financial meltdown. Little known fact: they can cause earthquakes that way too.
Who knew it would be so easy to bring down the ruling class?
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:23 pmEEEEWWWWWW!!! ICEMAN links to a picture of Obama shaking hands with Blagojevich! Well, that’s certainly an open and shut case of guilt if ever ICEMAN thought of one!
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:29 pmYou must excuse Rush he’s been using some of the drugs Levi’s Mother’s been selling in Alaska. Drugs fry your brain and Rush’s brain have been fried so much there’s nothing left. He has to say something stupid for the salary he’s getting. By the way Beck might be traveling to Alaska for his cheap drugs too.
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:42 pmCould we all just STOP paying ANY attention to this non-entity? Let him rant. The more he does, the stupider he sounds – to everyone. He’s his own worst enemy.
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:43 pmWho? Rush or ICEMAN?
December 22nd, 2008 at 7:57 pmHe realllly is nucking futz.
December 22nd, 2008 at 8:24 pmYeah, I stopped spending money last year, lived in a cardboard box in an alley so I could bring down the Bushiva.
So Hurricane Katrina was an act of the Democrats too?
December 22nd, 2008 at 8:27 pmIt’s interesting that GOP hero George W Bush is presiding over the process Limbaugh abhors: the nationalization of banks and the auto industry. The reason he is doing so, is because HE HAS TO. He doesn’t want the economy to Hooverize into Great Depression II. Unlike most GOPers these days (and Limbaugh at all times), Bush still has actual responsibilities (to quote Sarah Palin).
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:01 pmLimbaugh makes a living off of irresponsible carping. Only people who have never been in power, and never expect to be in power, can get away with it. If the GOP ever wants actual power again, they better not follow Limbaugh. Dead end.
Wow, it must be tiring to be Rush, Hannity, Beck and O’Reilly. It’s easy being stupid, paranoid and afraid of your own shadow. These guys are world class idiots, whom I think are going to really make it hard to protect Obama from their crazy listeners.
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:03 pm“CAP’s Tim Westrich has more on how the “root cause of the financial mess is the hands-off approach towards mortgage and finance markets by the Bush administration, and its lack of action when a disaster was imminent.” (HT: TP reader DK)”
And when the Bush administration had a hands-on approach, it took state and local governments all the way to the Supreme Court to block state and local governments from applying Consumer Protection laws to aid homeowners and try to hold accountable corrupt predatory mortgage lenders.
This is a recurring, corrupt, criminal Republican pattern over the past eight years.
Republican/Bush administration hands-off approach, letting their corrupt, criminal, crony pals get away with whatever scheme, plan or con-game, while adopting a hands-on approach only to block attempts by anyone to hold conservatives crooks accountable.
Geez, what were these Republicans thinking…that America is a Banana Republic run by a bunch of Banana Republicans, with a Chimp-In-Chief and banana eaters like Rush Limbaugh providing propaganda cover?
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:05 pmIf Democrats are so omnipotent they can control the economy, why don’t they make this ignorant, drug addled, sloppy, jackass disappear?
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:33 pmThe fact that Rush Limbaugh isn’t in prison is a testament to who runs our system: Criminal Zionists.
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 pm“Limbaugh’s Crazy Conspiracy Theory: Democrats Started The Economic Crisis To Help Elect Obama”
Limpballs’ oxycontin must have been laced. Here we go again with Limpballs’ wingnut cinspiracy theories. Yeah, Rush, Big Foot is the cause of global warming.
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:40 pm25 % of the public will believe anything
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:45 pmThe Rushpublican party will continue to be a vapid cesspool of rants, rage and irrelevance.
Jeez, I love my dad, but he (and many like him) keep an a**wipe like Limbaugh on the air. They chuckle and nod at everything he says. Like brainwashed subjects. Like the captured American soldiers in The Manchurian Candidate. Oh, and my folks only watch Fox News. Every time I go visit, I talk about anything but politics!
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:52 pmand the fairness doctrine isn’t needed why?
December 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 pmDrug Rush, the idiot started a lavish criminal war where trillions of dollars have been squandered and billions squandered every month. On top of that the idiot has kept you have-mores with obscene tax cuts. Now that’s a huge chunk of wealth that would have helped the infrastructure and kept millions of hard working americans employed. So now middle class America needs its economy jump-started to survive and that’s why Obama got elected!
I know you’re sad because your tax breaks are over, so start cutting back on dope consumption Drug Rush. Your party days on taxpayer money will very soon be over!
December 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 pmThis was Bush’s original bailout plan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYNoQZ5djUA
no really.
December 22nd, 2008 at 11:43 pmThe election of Barack Obama is a gift to Rush. Now he has 4-8 years to complain about it and keep his troglodyte audience of dittoheads riled up. Just like in the Clinton 90s.
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:11 amICEMAN Says:
You wouldnt know the truth if it jumped up and chomped off your codsack you moronic twit
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:59 amThese wingnuts have no decency and consider truth, facts, and reality as impediments to their beloved delusional fantasies. The oxymoron has no integrity and no decency. HIs putrid being stinks up our good earth.
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:04 am.
So what’s Limpballs theory of conspiracy that explains why he’s still on air?
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December 23rd, 2008 at 1:06 amThe right-wing gets support with big lie tactics, and the “whoever shouts loudest is right” method of discourse.
They have no intrest in solving problems, frightening people and assigning blame; that’s how you win elections.
I was in Germany when Reagan was elected. An aquaintence of mine; a man who had been a full Colonel in the Luftwaffe during WWII, compared the election of Reagan to the rise of Adolf Hitler.
The way out of the wilderness is education, the method “each one teach one.”
Serve your country and support your local schools.
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:14 amSeems every time a Bush hits town there’s another banking scandal and Iraq war. Remember the Savings and Loan scandal? How many more Bush’s can this country take? There’s BIGHEAD Jeb who rigged the election and convicted felon Neil who robbed the Savings and Loans left.
Oh, that’s right, Obama learned that trick from Clinton when he stole the election from the first Bush.
Hey Rush, I just got a script of Oxy, interested?
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:54 amMaybe they didn’t have Obama specifically in mind all the time , however this current situation was TOTALLY orchestrated by those in government for a huge power grab!!!
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:43 amExample : Why are nearly ALL the major corp. in our country only 1 or 2 months away from bankruptcy? ANSWER: Our tax structure , which has been set up for some time now , such that it penalizes companies for saving anything , or putting it away for a rainy day . Therefore a slow stretch hits & they all go under. In order to avoid paying huge tax penalties they must get RID of ALL profits . This encourages outrageous salaries for those at the top. It’s USE it or LOSE it.
Example 2: The government forced the banks to take bad loans . To lend money to those who they KNEW would not be able to re-pay , under the guise of getting more minorities into houses. While I COMPLETELY agree that more citizens in homes is GOOD for society , this was NOT the way to go about that goal. The outcome was predictable & HERE we are.
But , they knew what they were doing. Now , those who created this artificial catastrophe , are coming out claiming they will save us. Of course “EXTREME measures” may be necessary to accomplish this. A few more freedoms may need to be relinquished , more control given to the government over EVERYTHING …. Now they’ll be in the business of producing cars. ( And if the government makes cars anything like they do anything else , I’M NOT GETTING IN ONE!!! Pay attention , don’t be a sheep. They meant to do it.
I kind of always thunk that but having Rush and his Republic party say it out loud, well now it be true, even my wife, cousin Betty, says so.
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:44 amWith Limbaugh, you have to read between the lines. Disregard the ridiculous, but look at the source. It is a fact that the media has collectively hammered Americans with a sense that somehow, recessions are foreign to a free market system and therefore MUST be somebody’s fault – ie; President Bush or Republican leadership. Living and working in Europe, I get a better perspective – you want to see REAL problems come over here and see how the Socialists are fairing! Stop whining and lets all work for RESPONSIBLE and TRANSPARENT leadership which has been sadly lacking the past 16 years!
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:48 amThink seperation of business and state. Anyone can get into business, no one can occupy governmen seats to better self or business. Maybe the economy would be fine if new talent were allowed to rise in the ranks by removing barriers and restrictions from business. The economy on the short haul is a result of trade agreements, and on the long haul a result of the 16t amendment income tax. Attack the problem at the source and it goes away.
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:56 amItz scary this guy is still on the radio, but he’s still on ’cause way too many people listen and believe what he says!
December 23rd, 2008 at 3:37 amhttp://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
check the national debt clock,
..
is that guy still taking viagra, and oxycontin?
oughta melt his golden mike an sell if for more drugs..
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:21 amrush limpballs= champion of the “party of responsibility” neither of which take responsibility for shit.
December 23rd, 2008 at 6:05 amOh Rush! Really, the answer to 99% of our problems in this country is to nationalize everything, and get rid of these right wing waco’s like YOU. What has the free enterprise system gotten us? Financial Chaos, that’s what! What has home ownership gotten us? Eviction, that’s what. Rant on Rush. I think we see what people will do without the guiding hand of a benevolent govenment leading them every step of the way.
December 23rd, 2008 at 7:56 amcelestial9513 Says:
Maybe they didn’t have Obama specifically in mind all the time , however this current situation was TOTALLY orchestrated by those in government for a huge power grab!!!
Example : Why are nearly ALL the major corp. in our country only 1 or 2 months away from bankruptcy? ANSWER: Our tax structure , which has been set up for some time now , such that it penalizes companies for saving anything , or putting it away for a rainy day . Therefore a slow stretch hits & they all go under. In order to avoid paying huge tax penalties they must get RID of ALL profits . This encourages outrageous salaries for those at the top. It’s USE it or LOSE it.
Well if that is not the most idiotic business proposal I have heard in some time. Truly republican thinking. Let’s see if we have this right: taxes are the greatest evil (apart from terrorism) we have to face. Businessess who save money have to pay taxes on that saved money, but since taxes are completely evil businesses don’t want to pay them. So, instead of saving money to cover bad times, businesses spend every last dollar so they won’t have to pay taxes on that money if it were saved. Have I got it so far? And I am supposed to pity a business who, in order to not pay taxes, will spend every last dollar, and then when something bad happens has to go bankrupt? So I should pity their greedy and unsound business practices? Any business STUPID enough to operate this way DESERVES to fail. Only a true republican would think this was sound business practice. All in order to not pay taxes. In a time of exteneded war? Seems to me that that kind of activity is called something…. oh, yeah UNPATRIOTIC!!!!!!!! Talk about NOT supporting the troops!!!!
Example 2: The government forced the banks to take bad loans.
Really? FORCED them to accept those bad loans at ridiculous interest rates (assuring a nice profit margin on those that did pay)? Forced? I think the word you are looking for is ENABLED, through de-regulation and a lot of “looking the other way”.
The ONLY things that enabled the ENTIRE set of crisis’ we are experiencing right now — the only things enabling these failures – are the conservative ideologies which have all been proven as failed policies. They are ideas that look good on paper but have no positive application in the really real world (o.k.: your republican ideologies work great in your D&D game. This is real life). Individually each ideology is a failure: when multiple aspects conspire together (as we have seen after 8 years of republican rule, with the foundations set several years earlier with the Ragun administration) then we have the major meltdowns that affect the entire nation. And not one repug can stand up and admit it — not one. Every one of them has to whine that it is “the Democrat’s fault”. Not only irresponsibly childish and myopic, but also is a continuation of the “you’re with us or against us” theme (”us” being the republican party — which has no interest in America, only the party). Republicans: intentionally divisive, willfully ignorant, and demonstratably failed ideologies.
December 23rd, 2008 at 9:19 amvoterrightsexpansionman Says:
Think seperation of business and state. Anyone can get into business, no one can occupy governmen seats to better self or business. Maybe the economy would be fine if new talent were allowed to rise in the ranks by removing barriers and restrictions from business.
WTF ARE YOU SMOKING, AND WHY DON’T YOU SHARE???!!???
“seperation of business and state“??!!???!!
Where in the name of Zeus’ balls did you get that notion? WTF does that even mean? What you seems to imply here. if I have this right, is that government should not have any control, regulation, or taxes on business (and in this system, are citizens taxed? Or is the freedom from taxes PURELY for the BENEFIT of business? Starting to sound fascist, trying to hide in in what appears to be anti-fascist language. Clever, but failed).
Facts are that de-regulation is completely harmful on all possible levels. There need to be STRICT regulations on businesses, and STRICLY enforced laws concerning them. They also need to pay their share of taxes. Businesses are NOT greater ‘citizens’ than people. A business is not a citizen at all, and the concept of corporate personhood (another repug load of crap) is 180 degrees opposite the concepts that this country was founded on: thus making it an anti-American and unpatriotic concept that the republicans managed to get inserted into the system, with the effects only of causing trouble and damage, and harming the regular people.
December 23rd, 2008 at 9:30 amOk, wait.
Schumer caused a run on IndyMac. In the course of that premeditated genius, the whole of the mortgage industry was shown to be smoke and mirrors.
Does anyone here speak Republican? Can you explain to me this leap in fallacious logic?
By this measure, I suppose that high crime rates are naturally the fault of law enforcement, with their insistence on apprehending murderers and rapists…or domestic help illegally procuring prescription meds for a certain bloated radio personality.
December 23rd, 2008 at 9:35 amThis may have already been stated in the threads above, but all of the scum that leaks from the right machine can be stopped or have less of an impact on helping to dumb down America……
December 23rd, 2008 at 9:50 amThe Fairness Doctrine…bring it back…now
Hmmm. I have kind of the opposite take on this. By late September, its obvious that Obama will win. Even Saint Karl knows this. So what to do? There is already a looming financial crisis, everyone on the inside knows it. Democrats and Republicans alike have been raising the warning. Someone owns the credit default swap (CDS), so let’s accelerate the crisis and start calling them in. The banks are fearful, but the GOP gets them to go along. The CDS are starting to be called. Billions of them. Now the ‘crisis’ begins. Now the administration (led by former Goldman Sachs CEO, Paulson) paints a grim picture. “Give us $700B now, no strings attached, or face the next Great Depression.”
Frightened and trusting (a dangerous combination) Congressional Democrats (and some Republicans) hand the money over. This resistance by some Republicans gives the party and those individuals cover. Republicans will always play both sides unless they are in the majority ’steamroller’ mode. Anyway, Paulson gets to kill long time rival Lehman Brothers by withholding (and only from them mind you) any funds, while lavishing taxpayer dollars on all the others.
The GOP goals are accomplished. They have successfully, and with the consent of Congress, looted the Treasury. This not only puts money in friendly hands, by depleting the Treasury, they make it much more difficult to initiate any Progressive agenda (we don’t have the money) and make a particularly difficult first term for Obama (he didn’t keep his promises) which they will run hard on in 2012.
Much more plausible conspiracy theory.
December 23rd, 2008 at 10:28 amWe all know Limbaugh is a bloviating gas bag. He is still pissed that nobody listened to his great advice and elected Obama anyway. Rest assured that his twisted ideas will appeal to only the hard right wing nuts and not moderate Republicans. This will only fracture the party even more. Rock on Rush!
December 23rd, 2008 at 10:33 amHey guys, If Schumer caused the depression, wouldn’t that mean that it ISN’T Clinton’s fault ?
Rush has just removed one of his talking points.
December 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 amcelestial9513 Says:
You are brainwashed and regurgitating long ago debunked talking points that only morons take seriously. No the government NEVER made banks make bad loans. That is a lie. They made them stop redlining which is NOT making loans to blacks and other minorities who were just as qualified for loans as anyone else. The reason they made BAD loans is this country has always had socialism for the rich and risk is socialized. So they knew there was no downside to making bad loans. Keep letting the AM Hateradio do your thinking for you and you will NEVER make any sense.
December 23rd, 2008 at 11:20 amI think the Oxymoron has so little integrity that he would be a liberal if the left made him a better offer.
December 23rd, 2008 at 11:23 ami wish democrats were so powerful and competent that they could pull this off.
December 23rd, 2008 at 11:50 amNah, actually what we did was to get Rush on the radio and
December 23rd, 2008 at 11:50 amO’Really on TV knowing that would destroy conservatism.
Worked didn’t it (:)
Limbaugh’s mouth is apparently conspiring against his butthole, as evidenced by all of the crap he spews from his oral orifice. The guy is little more than a bellicose, bombastic blowhard.
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:06 pmAnyone who believes anything that spews from “Lush Lamebrain’s”
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pmPillhole,is insignificant in the grand scheme of things….
billybam Says:
I’ll buy that for a dollar.
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:06 pmIf anyone, anyone at all, expected anything less than this crap from Limbaugh and O’Reilly, need to go back to Propaganda 101. Expect this type of bile for the next 4 years.
There will be worse to come from Limbaugh and O’Reilly.
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:55 pmLimbaugh is crazy! What’s new. Why is this guy not behind bars on drug charges?
December 23rd, 2008 at 8:10 pmHow stupid does this pig-F’er think we are? I wouldn’t swallow that tripe even if I WAS a pod-person. Pathetic.
December 23rd, 2008 at 9:03 pmAll these Right wing talkers have a similar priority list:
1. Be noticed, quoted, visible,infamous. Its better to be liked, but if not its better to be hated than ignored.
2. Stir the pot
3. Create an Us and Them attitude
4. Use the Them group to be the scapegoat.
5. Make lots of money
6. Tell expedient truth, i.e. some truth with some lies if needed.
Just listen if you must and say, “Yeh, what ever…”
December 24th, 2008 at 2:31 pmOnce again Limbaughs mouth has shifted into high gear leaving his brain in the dust.
January 5th, 2009 at 9:22 amLife imitates art. See this:
http://dagblog.com/humor-satire/mccain-accuses-economy-bias
The nation saw the mess that Hurricane Katrina caused, and it saw the Bush administration’s “heckuva job” in addressing that mess. Does that mean that the Dems caused Hurricane Katrina?
Sanity benefited in November. The voting public had too many wake-up calls for them to ignore.
January 7th, 2009 at 12:04 amNice attempt at trying to make a sensible argument but all of you have FAILED. Now, go get a job. Obama is not going to pay your mortgage.
January 7th, 2009 at 6:02 pmAnd all of this time I thought the Bushitters were tanking the ecoonomy purposely to dissuade the illegals from sneaking it. It worked pretty well–better than most of their schemes. Maybe some poor Americans will also emigrate to Mexico for jobs. That would help clear the country of riffraff. But now I get it. Thanks Drugrush for setting me straight!
January 7th, 2009 at 6:34 pmGo Limbaugh!!! B.O. will make soooo many mistakes..unfortunately for our country.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:10 pmAnd to all those blaming our fine President for the Katrina mess..good luck!!! The administration called upon all people in Louisiana to get out of there..they called for a manditory evacuation..their words were not headed. Funny how you all can watch the news as it happens and then TWIST it when there is video and audio of it..you people are awesome.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:14 pmwow, and since all those people didn’t want to leave everything they had, considering most would have had to walk, it was ok to so totally screw up dealing with the aftermath?
And I suppose you have never viewed the video and audio of responses to previous hurricanes.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:24 pmNotice how the central argument of Mr. Westrich and most of the poster-s here on this board do not include a refutation of Limbaugh’s thesis, that of the nationalization of the mortage and automobile industries. The prospect of this should frighten everyone very very very much.
The government does not know how to build cars. Therefore they should not be in the business of regulating how they are made. The government does not know how to make them, market them, or sell them and, if nationalization is attempted, it will fail miserably.
The government does not know thing number one about how to make a mortgage loan (for evidence, look at the sink-hole called Social Security, which has been run by both Dems and Repubs since its inception).
January 12th, 2009 at 4:56 amThanks for the link Winsky. I wonder how long it will be bfore that guy is indicted.
Here is the link to the entire Washington Post article referenced in the TPM article.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/22/AR2008122201301.html?hpid=topnews
January 14th, 2009 at 12:23 amThis is for all of you die hard democrats out there. Remember this quote – and you will – by the time Obama leaves office it will have significance. Nikita Khruschev, 1959. For those of you who do not know who this is, he was the Soviet Leader. Here is his quote “We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communisim.” Those of you who are in their 20’s, 30’s and 40’s that think freedom is a given, well you better think again. Limbaugh is right on the money. He realizes that what is at stack here is our Capitalistic freedom. While you may not like those corporations, they are the ones paying your mortgages your car payment and money for your childrens education. The govenment should not have anything to do with our corporations in this country and lowering taxes on them should be a given. We should not be working for the government, the government should be working for us. That is called a free society. Get some books on Hitler and read what he has to say. Then go back and listen to some of Obama’s messages when he was on the stump. It is a very similar message. Lord help us all if you driven democrats do not wake up out there.
January 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pmlook at california if you want to see how well the liberal model works…hahahaha
January 17th, 2009 at 12:26 amAfter 8 years of left wing paranoia and conspiracy theories regarding Bush,now comes right wing paranoia and conspiracies regarding Obama.
Same phenomenon, different whining party.
January 19th, 2009 at 5:45 pmThe Democrats did… Regulating banks and forcing bad loans on people without jobs IS starting and procurring the problems… McCain called them on it years ago!
January 20th, 2009 at 2:39 pmAnd I really don’t care for Limbaugh due to his attacks on McCain in the beginning of the campaign.
Well, Obviously Democrats won the white house since last time since the transfer of power to bush in 2000. I hated it when he took office and staged the war on terror. Muslims must get into their own interior religious affairs and root out the extremists. The same goes for catlick and pootestants, I mean they need to get a life. That is whats wrong in the world, to much wealth and power. If all poor people can get together, lets get the Land of the Free back. Lets bring all companies that offshored our good paying jobs overseas back in the U.S. soil. We need them to pay their fair share of taxes. Rush Limbaugh, I bet he has sneezed and farted at the same time. when he prolly smelt defeat of republicans in the office. they will be remembered as people who brought USA down. Lets get the elected officials out of office who are republicans and put in Independents. We need to get alot of Independents in office to show the dems and reps how to run a country. We need to change the laws in our constitution and repeal alot of acts that were pushed by Bush. we need to have the pardons overturned so we the american people can try the criminals. Most of all lets root out all poisons in our food chain so we as american people can live longer. Lets repeal the laws helping the banks. Lets make the rich banks pay back the bail out. lets make the people who tapped into the bail out pay back since they have tax havens. People, lets rally and get the Independents into office. I have said enough. God Bless America. Amen
January 20th, 2009 at 2:47 pmThink Progress. If some of the comments above mark progress, I guess the word has been redefined. While reading many of the comments above I have come to believe that progress now means childishly misspelling the names of people and world religions.
Name calling is not new, not progressive. Resisting the urge to call someone a name, now that is progressive. Engaging in a conversation and backing your opinions with platitudes, not progressive. Opinions based on facts, regardless of political bias, would still be progress.
I return to these types of forums looking for inspiration and original thought. There are a few gems here and there, but for the most part, I am disappointed. As a nation we seem to have lost the ability to think critically and objectively.
The buzzword of the day is “Change.” That doesn’t mean that only half of the nation must change, or that only certain races must change. It means everyone. The First Amendment protects your freedom of speech. Do what you can to protect the sanctity of the First Amendment and think…before you speak.
January 21st, 2009 at 2:01 pmRush is a TOTAL idiot.
…and jealous
January 22nd, 2009 at 8:27 pmLimbaugh is a grossly overweight, grossly addicted druggie, grossly over paid jackass with diabetes of the blowhole.
January 23rd, 2009 at 10:17 amAnyone who listens to his garbage fits the same category. Stop the listenership and the stations won’t pay for mindless garble.
Lets just come to facts the only reason Obama won for president is not for his policy because half of the people that voted for him didnt even know what his policy was! They voted for Obama because of RACE! This whole presidental thing is over RACE! so I dont see how ppl are saying it has nothing to do with his race because it is right there in your face!
January 23rd, 2009 at 1:18 pmSaying the poor economy of this country is a conspiracy and was created to get Obama elected is like members of the intelligence community saying the Holocaust never happened or that Hitler was just a misunderstood nationalist. How does Limbaugh keep his job?
January 23rd, 2009 at 1:50 pmPretty obvious
Rush gets drunk on his own Kool-Aid
heh heh …..
January 24th, 2009 at 3:22 pmI just wonder if what was a planned attempt to scare people economically — starting a run on the bank, doing this, that, and the other thing —
What a baboon!
Conspiracy theory in 20/20 hindsight?
The dems create the crash to get the whitehouse….
January 24th, 2009 at 3:31 pmHe makes NO provision for McCain winning the election
and inheriting the same crash?
This man is dangerous to our country and needs to be deported~
Of course limbaugh is peddling drivel but if gets any traction the [Obama-biased] media will have itself to blame. When the media takes such flagrant sides as the mainstream media has in his election, it opens the door for people like Limbaugh, Coulter, O’Reilly & company to spew nonsense. The mainstream media has sold its credibility. Now I laugh {& sometimes moan] when it comes to Limbaugh but I don’t trust the network media either. Very few news professionals have been writing the straight skinny instaed the lines between news & commentary has been blurred on all sides. Sad but true
January 26th, 2009 at 3:39 amDear Friends: It’s time to play these jerks at their
January 27th, 2009 at 4:24 pmown game.Here’s a rumor I’ve allready heard from reliable
sources and urge you to spread all over the net, via
e-mail,blogs, posts, bathroom graffitti, etc: RUSH
LIMBAUGH IS GAY!!!! Yes, friends: like Roy Cohn, Joe
McCarthy, Cardinal Spellman, J. Edgar Hoover, Larry
Craig, Randall Terry, Karl Rove, Pat Buchanan, William F. Buckely, Malcom Forbes, and
soooooooo many other “Family Values” Conservatives, is
BENT LIKE A THREE-DOLLAR BILL! He smokes choad! He
takes John Thomases up his capacious poop-chute! He
got sugar in his gas tank! He dresses up in size 60
crinoline muu-muus, pearls and feather boas to
lip-sync in the mirror to Judy Garland! He bites his
way through 15 pillows a night! He cruises the Miami Tenderloin in his limo at 4 PM looking for runaway crackhead teenage hustlers willing to urinate on him for five hundred bucks! “Not,” to quote Jerry Seinfeld, “that there’s anything WRONG with it…” Indeed, it should be the right of every American to do so if he (or she)
chooses(crinoline gives me a rash, and I’m allergic to feathers, but HEY! to each his own…”one man’s meat is another’s poison” [pun intended]…but NOT if you’re a hypocrite and professed homophobe who denounces others for daring to live openly and unashamedly a life you’re too craven to lead outside your XXXXL sodomize-in closet. No, it’s time to play dirty. Don’t believe me? Consider the evidence: Three divorces, no kids; obviously teriiaddicted to pills and food;
met his last wife–an AEROBICS INSTRUCTOR, oh the irony!–on the Internet(how many multi-millionaires YOU know, even ugly ones, who need E-Harmony to get laid? Christ, if Donald Trump can score models, ANYONE with dough can!)
Let’s do it, brothers
RUSH & HANNITY “2012″ BIOTCHES!!!!!!!!! RUSH IS AWESOME! SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS PEOPLE! BUT I CANT WAIT TO SAY HA WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 28th, 2009 at 10:53 ampathetic enought when White guys talk “street,” but a
white girl? Fooo–eeeeY! Guess what? Even if you’re
right–and your buds in power were wrong for eight
years, about EVERYTHING, so how likely is THAT?–it
will be four years before the GOP can take down the
white house, even if the they assassinate or impeach
Obama, Biden, Pelosi, the Senate’s pro temp, Hillary
and the REST of the cabinet all at once; it’ll be two
before they have a chance to retake Congress; so WHAT
will happen if “Obama fails,” as Rush and Hannity and
YOU all hope? The economy will keep tanking, and we’ll
ALL suffer, billionaire and pauper alike–people
worldwide will starve, freeze to death, lose their
homes; crime will skyrocket across the globe…are you
soooo fond of being “right”–by which you mean
“prescient(look it up, Tab, dictionary’s just a click
away)” or just “a lucking guesser” to HOPE for such
calamity?
At least Rush and Han are PAID to be mindless
blowhards, and Rush fell victim to addiction and
sexual maladjustment (see my post above);what’s YOUR
excuse?
Was I a Bush-hater in 2000? Yes. I felt he was
dishonest, lazy, ignorant, stupid, incompetent,
callous and arrogant–and his record as President
bears me out. Am I GLAD I was right? Did I WANT
Operation Iraqi Freedom to fail so disastrously after
“Mission Accomplished”–did I WANT thousands more of
my young countrymen, and 100,000 plus Iraqis, to
needlessly, pointlessly, painfully DIE? Did I want
MILLIONS of my fellow citizens to lose their homes,
jobs, savings? Did I “want Bush to fail”? NO. Because
I’m an American. I don’t believe my country has always
done right, but I still love my country, even when
it’s led by someone I depise. I WISH I’D BEEN WRONG
ABOUT BUSH. I will wish that till I die. Much as I
hate to question anyone’s patriotism, it’s time for
YOU to question YOURS
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January 29th, 2009 at 5:45 pmooops. Sorry, all. slip of the fingers there.
January 29th, 2009 at 5:47 pmDon’t be stupid. Everything was created by the democrats. Bill Clinton created the ninja loans that created a bad banking system.
February 12th, 2009 at 8:04 pmNow do I agree with every choice that Bush made, NO. But I am sorry, he was given a shitty hand of cards.
Obama is bad news. Rush is right about this being a conspiracy.
This recent healthcare, the first step towards universal health care, that is seen within the stimulus bill is a crock of shit. Not only does it make up a large portion of a bill that is supposed to help the economy, but it is an invasion of privacy.
Do people not understand that this will take away more jobs let alone create awful care for the American people.
Obama kept this from the public and tried to rush the bill to be passed without people finding this.
Obama and the Democrats are pulling a fast one on the American people. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO HELP THE ECONOMY? I think that they are trying to mold the country into what they want, not the people.
This was all planned when the large portion of money was moved out of the banking system in September.
It is sad that the goverment is so corrupt.