Comments on: Barney Frank: ‘I’m suffering from post-partisan depression.’ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:51:44 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: yuksel http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5406210 yuksel Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:26:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5406210 Warren or not, why is there such emphasis on religion in inauguration held in a secular country? Is swearing on a copy of a superman book any less meaningful than on swearing on a so-called holy book, which is another type of fiction? Warren or not, why is there such emphasis on religion in inauguration held in a secular country? Is swearing on a copy of a superman book any less meaningful than on swearing on a so-called holy book, which is another type of fiction?

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5395500 EugeneDebs Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:51:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5395500 cd says Did you REALLY snivel about personal attacks? Did you say THIS Frank is a pissy little ass Or THIS Oh look a member of his sad little cult. Why yes you DID. Just why am I obligated to treat YOU with respect when YOU are so quick to use personal attacks? Did God tell you that he gave you moronic hivemind cons the exclusive franchise on personal attacks? Exactly what did YOu bring to the table OTHER than your stupid personal attacks? Nothing? Then why are you snivelling so much it would embarass a little six year old girl that YOU are being treated the same way you are treating US? Either stop YOUR personal attacks or cowboy up punk. This insulting us then whining about us insulting YOU is just pathetic. cd says

Did you REALLY snivel about personal attacks? Did you say THIS

Frank is a pissy little ass

Or THIS

Oh look a member of his sad little cult.

Why yes you DID. Just why am I obligated to treat YOU with respect when YOU are so quick to use personal attacks? Did God tell you that he gave you moronic hivemind cons the exclusive franchise on personal attacks? Exactly what did YOu bring to the table OTHER than your stupid personal attacks? Nothing? Then why are you snivelling so much it would embarass a little six year old girl that YOU are being treated the same way you are treating US? Either stop YOUR personal attacks or cowboy up punk. This insulting us then whining about us insulting YOU is just pathetic.

]]> By: cd http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5395026 cd Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:16:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5395026 You've got nothing but personal attacks do you genie? You’ve got nothing but personal attacks do you genie?

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5394040 EugeneDebs Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:08:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5394040 Barney Frank has a CULT? The delusions some brainwashed Limborg morons will subject themselves to is just astonishing Barney Frank has a CULT? The delusions some brainwashed Limborg morons will subject themselves to is just astonishing

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5394038 EugeneDebs Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:07:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5394038 cd Says: Oh look an ignorant moronic troll without a single functioning braincell. What WERE the odds? cd Says:

Oh look an ignorant moronic troll without a single functioning braincell. What WERE the odds?

]]> By: cd http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393774 cd Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:31:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393774 December 22nd, 2008 at 4:37 pm You know next to nothing about Lowery do you? December 22nd, 2008 at 4:37 pm

You know next to nothing about Lowery do you?

]]> By: cd http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393772 cd Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:30:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393772 December 22nd, 2008 at 4:13 pm Oh look a member of his sad little cult. December 22nd, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Oh look a member of his sad little cult.

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393752 EugeneDebs Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:11:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393752 I am totally willing to give Obama a chance and am hopeful. IF he isnt prepared to flat out go to war with the GOP when they come after him then he will get what Clinton got. Scorched earth attacks all the time hindering his ability to govern. They have to KNOW that if they come after him the partisan blood will flow and he WILL fight back. The left needs to be ready to fight fire with fire. There HAS to be consequences for their actions. The rightwing has proven they are willing to burn the house down to get their way. They need to be slapped down and HARD when they try their shenanegans. IF they think Obama will be easy meat they will never stop coming after him. I am totally willing to give Obama a chance and am hopeful. IF he isnt prepared to flat out go to war with the GOP when they come after him then he will get what Clinton got. Scorched earth attacks all the time hindering his ability to govern. They have to KNOW that if they come after him the partisan blood will flow and he WILL fight back. The left needs to be ready to fight fire with fire. There HAS to be consequences for their actions. The rightwing has proven they are willing to burn the house down to get their way. They need to be slapped down and HARD when they try their shenanegans. IF they think Obama will be easy meat they will never stop coming after him.

]]> By: 49erDem http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393392 49erDem Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:02:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393392 I can't presume to speak for Obama, but wouldn't it be nice if the religious right cooperated with us on a few things now and then? What do you people think is going on here? Do you think Obama is suddenly going to embrace conservative religious public policy? Is Obama going to say "you know, Rick Warren's right about gays."? It's the religious part. In my opinion, neither Warren OR Lowry should be there praying or speaking of their god at a civil secular ceremony but that's the state of things today in our country. I don't think anyone needs to worry that this will spill into public policy except in some of the faith-based charity programs. I can’t presume to speak for Obama, but wouldn’t it be nice if the religious right cooperated with us on a few things now and then? What do you people think is going on here? Do you think Obama is suddenly going to embrace conservative religious public policy? Is Obama going to say “you know, Rick Warren’s right about gays.”?

It’s the religious part. In my opinion, neither Warren OR Lowry should be there praying or speaking of their god at a civil secular ceremony but that’s the state of things today in our country. I don’t think anyone needs to worry that this will spill into public policy except in some of the faith-based charity programs.

]]> By: 49erDem http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393376 49erDem Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:55:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393376 Bilbo: "So you think that the Rev. Joseph Lowry makes up for Obama honoring Warren, someone who equates homosexuality to pedophilia or incest? I’m sorry, but I’m with Barney Frank on this one." I think the fact that he has both a religious righty and a religious lefty shoule mitigate his having Warren. I find it no small coincidence that the mainstream media has fixated itself on Warren with barely a mention of Lowry. What it looks like to me is a bunch of lefties getting pissed that a guy who ran as a moderate is having religious speakers from the right and the left speak. Bilbo: “So you think that the Rev. Joseph Lowry makes up for Obama honoring Warren, someone who equates homosexuality to pedophilia or incest? I’m sorry, but I’m with Barney Frank on this one.”

I think the fact that he has both a religious righty and a religious lefty shoule mitigate his having Warren. I find it no small coincidence that the mainstream media has fixated itself on Warren with barely a mention of Lowry. What it looks like to me is a bunch of lefties getting pissed that a guy who ran as a moderate is having religious speakers from the right and the left speak.

]]> By: 49erDem http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393368 49erDem Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:53:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393368 I think Token Librul best represents the general tone around here with this statement: "Optimism is the secular equivalent of sectarian “Faith”: That is, it’s belief in something that never was and never will be…" What a strange, negative statement that is. Is everyone here absolutely certain that Obama will not fulfill his various campaign promises? Do we all understand the difference between the pomp and circumstance of a new president as opposed to the public policy he will push? Do we all understand that any executive organization tends to take on the spirit and personality of its leader? Token, do you really believe there is never a legitimate reason to be optimistic? Being optimistic is nothing like faith. Faith is pretending to know something which is unknowable. Optimism is simply hoping for the best and thinking it's possible. I think Token Librul best represents the general tone around here with this statement: “Optimism is the secular equivalent of sectarian “Faith”: That is, it’s belief in something that never was and never will be…”

What a strange, negative statement that is. Is everyone here absolutely certain that Obama will not fulfill his various campaign promises? Do we all understand the difference between the pomp and circumstance of a new president as opposed to the public policy he will push? Do we all understand that any executive organization tends to take on the spirit and personality of its leader?

Token, do you really believe there is never a legitimate reason to be optimistic? Being optimistic is nothing like faith. Faith is pretending to know something which is unknowable. Optimism is simply hoping for the best and thinking it’s possible.

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393232 EugeneDebs Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:45:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393232 RUCerious Says: I think Obama’s trying to reach out to the reichwing. I just hope there’s a hand left at the end of his wrist at the conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its ok to reach the hand out as long as there is a sharp implement in the OTHER hand. We need to stop taking knives to the gunfights is the thing. RUCerious Says:

I think Obama’s trying to reach out to the reichwing. I just hope there’s a hand left at the end of his wrist at the conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Its ok to reach the hand out as long as there is a sharp implement in the OTHER hand. We need to stop taking knives to the gunfights is the thing.

]]> By: ctcadguy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393224 ctcadguy Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:43:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393224 Fascists do not co-operate. They kill and destroy thier enemies. RETHUGS ARE NOTHING BUT OLD TIME FASCISTS JUST LIKE THE NAZIS. Fascists do not co-operate. They kill and destroy thier enemies.

RETHUGS ARE NOTHING BUT OLD TIME FASCISTS JUST LIKE THE NAZIS.

]]> By: Bilbo Hussein Baggins http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393200 Bilbo Hussein Baggins Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:37:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393200 <em>cd Says: Frank is a pissy little ass who seems to be intentionally trying to avoid acknowledging that the Rev. Joseph Lowry to Deliver Benediction at the event. google the Rev. you’ll be amazed by him.</em> So you think that the Rev. Joseph Lowry makes up for Obama honoring Warren, someone who equates homosexuality to pedophilia or incest? I'm sorry, but I'm with Barney Frank on this one. I think that Obama made a very big mistake. I'm wondering if he is man enough to admit it and un-invite the Reverend. I also say to hell with playing nice with the Republicans. They have declared war on Obama and he hasn't even taken the oath of office yet. If Obama thinks they are going to cooperate with him, he will be sadly surprised. cd Says:
Frank is a pissy little ass who seems to be intentionally trying to avoid acknowledging that the Rev. Joseph Lowry to Deliver Benediction at the event.
google the Rev. you’ll be amazed by him.

So you think that the Rev. Joseph Lowry makes up for Obama honoring Warren, someone who equates homosexuality to pedophilia or incest? I’m sorry, but I’m with Barney Frank on this one. I think that Obama made a very big mistake. I’m wondering if he is man enough to admit it and un-invite the Reverend.

I also say to hell with playing nice with the Republicans. They have declared war on Obama and he hasn’t even taken the oath of office yet. If Obama thinks they are going to cooperate with him, he will be sadly surprised.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393180 RUCerious Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:25:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393180 I think Obama's trying to reach out to the reichwing. I just hope there's a hand left at the end of his wrist at the conclusion. I think Obama’s trying to reach out to the reichwing. I just hope there’s a hand left at the end of his wrist at the conclusion.

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393152 EugeneDebs Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:15:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393152 This is one of the things that always worried me about Obama. If ONE side is thinking about getting along while the other side is practicing scorched Earth all out war the get along guys are at a huge disadvantage. I am all for the effort but you need to have your eyes open and be READY FOR THE WAR. He needs to send the message that if the right thinks it will treat an opening for dialogue as weakness that the left is ready to eat their livers when it come to that. Barney as usual is making a good point. This is one of the things that always worried me about Obama. If ONE side is thinking about getting along while the other side is practicing scorched Earth all out war the get along guys are at a huge disadvantage. I am all for the effort but you need to have your eyes open and be READY FOR THE WAR. He needs to send the message that if the right thinks it will treat an opening for dialogue as weakness that the left is ready to eat their livers when it come to that. Barney as usual is making a good point.

]]> By: a0d7fzz http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393148 a0d7fzz Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:14:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393148 I don't get why this is such a big scandal. Don't get me wrong - I think selecting Warren for the invocation was a bad move. But what are we talking about here? A 5 minute invocation!It's not like he got a Cabinet appointment. I don’t get why this is such a big scandal.

Don’t get me wrong – I think selecting Warren for the invocation was a bad move.

But what are we talking about here? A 5 minute invocation!It’s not like he got a Cabinet appointment.

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393146 EugeneDebs Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:13:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393146 cd Says: Frank is an intellegent and decent man and you are a moronic piece of garbage not fit to lick his boots. cd Says:

Frank is an intellegent and decent man and you are a moronic piece of garbage not fit to lick his boots.

]]> By: jpopphan http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393102 jpopphan Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:56:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393102 I am with ya, Barney. Democrats are always too nice! We think that somehow, magically, the haters on the Right will come around if we are just nice enough to them and include them. We forget that for the GOP, politics is a winner-take-all game. I don't recall there being a progressive, pro-gay, pro-ecumenical religious figure being asked to deliver the invocation at either of Bush's swearing-in ceremonies. From what I recall from those horrible days is the overt fundamentalist Christian flavor that all of the prayers contained. The only think that I would ever want to hear from Rick Warren is an apology and a retraction of the many, many lies he has told about gay and lesbian people. I am with ya, Barney.

Democrats are always too nice! We think that somehow, magically, the haters on the Right will come around if we are just nice enough to them and include them. We forget that for the GOP, politics is a winner-take-all game.

I don’t recall there being a progressive, pro-gay, pro-ecumenical religious figure being asked to deliver the invocation at either of Bush’s swearing-in ceremonies. From what I recall from those horrible days is the overt fundamentalist Christian flavor that all of the prayers contained.

The only think that I would ever want to hear from Rick Warren is an apology and a retraction of the many, many lies he has told about gay and lesbian people.

]]> By: From the Float http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/comment-page-1/#comment-5393030 From the Float Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:20:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/post-partisan-depression/#comment-5393030 Should the Honorable Frank wish to express his disapproval with inaugural plans he should work through the current The Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies (JCCIC). Established by resolution (S.Con.Res. 67) on February 28, 2008. Senator Dianne Feinstein Chairman of the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration, chairs the committee. Other members include Senators Harry Reid of Nevada and Bob Bennett of Utah, as well as Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Representatives Steny Hoyer and John Boehner. Should the Honorable Frank wish to express his disapproval with inaugural plans he should work through the current The Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies (JCCIC).

Established by resolution (S.Con.Res. 67) on February 28, 2008. Senator Dianne Feinstein Chairman of the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration, chairs the committee. Other members include Senators Harry Reid of Nevada and Bob Bennett of Utah, as well as Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Representatives Steny Hoyer and John Boehner.

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