Study: Premarital abstinence pledges are ineffective.
Study: Premarital abstinence pledges are ineffective.
A cornerstone of many abstinence-only programs is the concept of virginity pledges, which encourages “children as young as 9 to promise to wait until marriage to have sex.” But a new study from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health finds that “teenagers who pledge to remain virgins until marriage are just as likely to have premarital sex as those who do not promise abstinence and are significantly less likely to use condoms and other forms of birth control when they do”:
The new analysis of data from a large federal survey found that more than half of youths became sexually active before marriage regardless of whether they had taken a “virginity pledge,” but that the percentage who took precautions against pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases was 10 points lower for pledgers than for non-pledgers.
“Taking a pledge doesn’t seem to make any difference at all in any sexual behavior,” said Janet E. Rosenbaum of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, whose report appears in the January issue of the journal Pediatrics. “But it does seem to make a difference in condom use and other forms of birth control that is quite striking.”
Rosenbaum’s study isn’t the first to indicate that virginity pledges are ineffective. In 2005, a study by Yale and Columbia University researchers found that “adolescents who pledge to remain virgins until marriage are more likely to substitute high-risk sexual behaviors that increase the likelihood of transmitting sexually transmitted diseases.”
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December 29th, 2008 at 12:19 pmAnother failed Chimp policy.
Next?
December 29th, 2008 at 12:24 pmThis is news to who??????
December 29th, 2008 at 12:25 pmAbstinence pledging exists only in the first place to assuage the guilty fears of libidinous, potentially incestuous daddies that their little girls AREN’T saving “IT” for them…
December 29th, 2008 at 12:26 pmMommy & Daddy’s itty bitty dream world — FAIL.
December 29th, 2008 at 12:26 pmBTW, my niece received her “promise ring” from her parents last summer. She’s 15.
My 17 year old nephew wasn’t required to make any promises. Of course, he’s a complete geek who looks like Mr Bean, but that’s beside the point. ;)
December 29th, 2008 at 12:29 pmGeeks have the most fun.
December 29th, 2008 at 12:35 pmThese “promise rings” only work when they are designed to block the va ginal entry.
December 29th, 2008 at 12:38 pmOh, Cats! RACY!! :-D
December 29th, 2008 at 12:43 pmThe new an@lysis of data from…
Hey, how did the word that shall never be typed get through?
December 29th, 2008 at 12:44 pmDid anyone actually think that this would work? Again right wing wishful policy that has no connection to reality… I am so tired of it all….sigh.
December 29th, 2008 at 12:48 pmAnyone who has had glands knows that it will not always work…just like W white knuckling to not drink alcohol. Won’t work.
December 29th, 2008 at 12:48 pmDRxJ, that word is only banned in comments. TP has used it in several variants in their posts.
December 29th, 2008 at 12:51 pmAs much as the right wing refuses to admit it, human beings are animals. And animals have some very powerful hormones that can drive them to do some things no matter the cost. Did the right wing really believe that merely promising not to have sex would be enough? Bush promised to support and defend the Constitution, and we can all see how well that worked out. And Bush was supposedly more “mature” than these idiots with their “promise rings”.
It’s been said befoere but I’ll repeat it – “Abstinence-only Education works until it doesn’t.”
December 29th, 2008 at 12:53 pmI guess we can expect that this study will cause a lot of rethinking on the Right, huh?
December 29th, 2008 at 12:57 pmThen the pledges were more than just ineffective. They were downright harmful–sure sign of a right-wing policy.
New Year’s Bubbles:
December 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Ocbt6l5NE
jb Says:
Geeks have the most fun.
December 29th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
My apologies to geeks. :-)
December 29th, 2008 at 1:02 pmYou know, it all becomes a lot clearer when you replace the word “abstinence” with “good intentions” in their literature. See, it’s hard to argue with the statement “abstinence is 100% effective.” But when you replace that statement with “good intentions are 100% effective” the stupidity involved becomes much more clear. Good intentions are the most ineffective thing known to humankind in all situations.
Abstinence education is not education, it’s mere exhortation. Telling someone not to do something is nothing like telling them what the consequences are and what measures can mitigate various consequences to various degrees and various ways.
So are you “abstinent” if you got raped? What if you’re only “abstinent” 98% of the time? Then there’s the entire can-of-worms issue surrounding coital alternatives. What counts? Trust me, they’ll try anything that’s not explained in the program as being bad. And while that might not get them pregnant, such alternatives often have higher rates of STD transmission.
If you intend to be abstinent, then you won’t take any measures to prevent disease or unwanted pregnancy, because that would imply prior intent, which is pretty much all that “abstince pledges” eliminate: intelligent management of consequences.
Also, those daddy/daughter promise ring balls are really creepy. I mean, creeeeepy.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:03 pmI thought a promise ring was a pre-engagement ring. It turns out it is something with an entirely different purpose that still means absolutely nothing.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:09 pmAs Zooey suggests, “virginity pledges” not only fail to accomplish their stated goals in any greater percentage of kids, they carry the added failure of breaking a vow to the mix.
So not only do kids face the normal risks of natural sexual experimentation plus the added factor of lack of education, they also have to deal with even more guilt and self-loathing because they broke their word.
It’s a right-wing TRIFECTA!
December 29th, 2008 at 1:12 pmDoes this mean we can finally stop having our tax money used on “Abstinence Only ‘Education’”? I mean, if it’s now been shown to be ineffective (and even to make matters worse, in some cases), then shouldn’t we stop using our tax dollars to promote it?
December 29th, 2008 at 1:18 pmLet me get this straight – you mean to say that asking people to promise to not do something doesn’t mean they’ll actually not do that thing?
Wow.
I think I need to go check on my shares in Washington Mutual and Enron.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:18 pmI guess the trolls are busy raising their grandchildren.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:23 pmWhen will the right realize that impossible “promises” of abstinence only leads to problems (Catholic priests, anyone?).
The human body is a fine tuned machine geared for sex. I’ve said it before, the male anatomy is designed to release sperm, to make room for healthier, faster “lil swimmers”. Suppressing that normal mechanism is not healthy. End of story.
Sex feels good.
End of story, part 2.
Educate your teenagers regarding sex as you would an adult works far better than “just don’t do it”.
By the by Zooey, even Mr. Bean looking skinny geeks can still enter manhood at 17, with or without “abstinence pledges”.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:23 pm…And I’ve never been the same since!
;-)
What wisdom decries that you can stop teenagers from having sex?
It’s like trying to stop the sun from shining.
Educate them on the realities of life and their responsibilities and they will be healthy, mature adults one day.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:28 pmIf the media would stop creating false situations where “both sides” need to be represented on every stinkin’ issue, then we would not need to defend things that are already proven false like:
1. Abstinence pledges
December 29th, 2008 at 1:30 pm2. Man-made global warming
mk3872 Says:
If the media would stop creating false situations where “both sides” need to be represented on every stinkin’ issue, then we would not need to defend things that are already proven false like:
1. Abstinence pledges
2. Man-made global warming
Global warning is not made up by the MSM. It is backed by thousands of scientists world wide.
Nice try on attempting to perpetrate a lie, but you get no cookie today.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:33 pmIt’s been my experience that pledging to have sex before graduating high school doesn’t always work either.
Sigh…
Does this mean we can finally stop having our tax money used on “Abstinence Only ‘Education’”? I mean, if it’s now been shown to be ineffective (and even to make matters worse, in some cases), then shouldn’t we stop using our tax dollars to promote it?
Actually, there’s been plenty of hard data on this for many years, and it hasn’t stopped the bible-thumpers one bit. You can just add this study to the top of the big stack.
The only thing that will stop them from promoting insanity in the face of facts is to strip them of all political power, then next election beat them harder, then again, etc. until they’re so marginalized they might as well not exist.
Then continue to keep an eye on ‘em, ‘cuz they’re as wily as they are plumb mean.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:35 pmmk3872 Says:
If the media would stop creating false situations where “both sides” need to be represented on every stinkin’ issue, then we would not need to defend things that are already proven false like:
1. Abstinence pledges
2. Man-made global warming
December 29th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Nice try.
**yawn**
December 29th, 2008 at 1:41 pmElBruce Says:
It’s been my experience that pledging to have sex before graduating high school doesn’t always work either.
Sigh…
My problem was not getting sex in high school or after high school, it was with getting sex after I got married. Heh.
After divorce has been much better.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:41 pmI suspect that mk3872 meant to refer to global warming skepticism.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:43 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
mk3872 = ICEMAN
December 29th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
I guess he didn’t want to be “frigid” on this thread. ;)
December 29th, 2008 at 1:43 pmKind of like asking a neo-con to make a “peace” pledge. They simply can’t help themselves.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:43 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
mk3872 = ICEMAN
mk3872 = Mucking Foron
December 29th, 2008 at 1:44 pmThe whole abstinence thing seems to have really worked out well on the catholic priests, why not try it out on younger people for a relatively shorter period of time.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:44 pmZooey Says:
I guess he didn’t want to be “frigid” on this thread. ;)
LMAO
December 29th, 2008 at 1:45 pmWait correct me if Im wrong. I think mk was agreeing with the article and saying the right media (if you can still call fox “media”) is adding a counterpoint that shouldnt exist.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:52 pmVirginity pledges are the brainchild of Rechtwing religious zealots. It was meant to prevent sexual activity among their female offspring until after marriage and, hopefully, not even then. That, in turn, would then mean fewer pregnancies, therefore fewer of them — it’s an absolute pity that it is not working.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:54 pmThen continue to keep an eye on ‘em, ‘cuz they’re as wily as they are plumb mean.
And it looks like they breed like rabbits, too. ;)
December 29th, 2008 at 1:54 pmThe same people who don’t belive in evolution, or global climate change believe in abstinence pledges. Since they believe in the literal translation of the bible, scary, maybe they should check into what age girls were getting married and having babies 2,000 years ago. Since they don’t believe we “evolve” why would they think females can arbitrarily start bearing babies 10 years later than they used to.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:55 pmOr maybe they reich wing knows abstinence pledges won’t work and what they’re really trying to do is make more Christians. Sometimes proselytizing just isn’t enough. How very Catholic of them.
December 29th, 2008 at 1:57 pmFor some guys, the first time, or two, or three, was essentially abstinence. “Early bird get the worm” isn’t always true. The embarrassment can keep a young man from trying again….at least with the same gal!
December 29th, 2008 at 1:57 pmmy god,
what effect will this
study have on purity balls?
*
looks what it’s done
to our troll population!
*
my god.
^
December 29th, 2008 at 2:30 pmThere have been several stories that have come out in the last two years. Since the Bush policy is not to give any information regarding birth control except abstinence, it only leaves the one option. What hypocrisy!
What the conservative churches have done with taxpayers money is to fund programs that uses pledges and false information to get young people not to have sex. They have these large rallies and the kids take pledges and rings as tokens of that vow. But along with the tokens they take the lies they are fed. The so called counselors tell them that condoms do not work. That the failure rate is high and using them is risky.
Most of the kids that show up at these church sponsored rallies are fairly naive to begin with. And for the past two years when pollsters go back to check, they find out the longest the pledge lasted was six months in most cases. Both polls showed the same statistics. In only one case had the pledge lasted a year.
When you give only one option to birth control and when you take away all others you have an unrealistic approach to being a sexual human being. And of course there has been the obvious result. Unintended pregnancy. So these programs use some false information and church pressure to push them into a program that doesn’t work all that well.
If someone wants to wait to have sex during marriage I’m all for it. But at the very least there should be honest open information given just in case it might not work. Plain abstinence is not the only option. Everyone should have all the options regarding birth control, not just the one that passes some kind of religious test of purity.
Sex is a wonderful, vital part of being a human being. But it is a responsibility. I cannot think of a bigger sin, then having some poor girl wake up one day to find she is pregnant because she was told birth control is not an option, only not having sex is her option. It is better to have real birth control information and no surprise later. The rest is unrealistic Russian roulette.
December 29th, 2008 at 2:30 pmI wonder if the Palin family was included in the study?
December 29th, 2008 at 2:32 pmMagical thinking and little magical rites aren’t effective. Maybe they should swear on a bible.
December 29th, 2008 at 2:44 pmOnly if Song of Solomon has been redacted.
December 29th, 2008 at 2:47 pm“adolescents who pledge to remain virgins until marriage are more likely to substitute high-risk sexual behaviors that increase the likelihood of transmitting sexually transmitted diseases.”
Daughter Suzy: “Well, I never promised I’d stay a butt virgin.”
December 29th, 2008 at 2:55 pmokay, so virginity pledges are ineffective, but did the surveyors bother to ask respondents if they were actively wearing promise rings and/or abstinence pants? of course not! had they, they would have found that promise rings and abstinence pants are highly effective and when used in combination act synergisticaly to promote abstinence.
December 29th, 2008 at 2:56 pmstudies at leading universities have proven this to be true!
look it up!
LividLib Says:
studies at leading universities have proven this to be true!
look it up!
Since you are claiming this, why do you not provide a link?
December 29th, 2008 at 3:07 pmYour claim, prove it
LOL
December 29th, 2008 at 3:16 pmabstinence pants…
you mean like these?:
http://www.birdchick.com/uploaded_images/Chest%20Waders-753236.jpg
LividLib was being sarcastic.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:19 pm“The bible says that an idle mind is the devil’s workshop.”
What does it say about feeble minds?
December 29th, 2008 at 3:22 pmRaptureReady Says:
Another worthless study by a liberal/secular-progressive college. It’s plain and simple. If you feel sexual urges, read your bible. The bible says that an idle mind is the devil’s workshop.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Is that why your bible pages are stuck together, Daryll?
December 29th, 2008 at 3:23 pmDaryll, do you have any evidence to offer that this study is “worthless”?
Is reading the Bible when you get sexual urges the way you you discovered how to “shake the devil off”?
December 29th, 2008 at 3:24 pmDaryll, can you please point me to the passage in the Bible that says, “an idle mind is the devil’s workshop”?
I don’t recall that from my personal Bible study.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:29 pmZooey Says:
“LividLib was being sarcastic.”
Jeebus!
Thanks for pointing that out, Zooey. I thought it was obvious.
Anyway, it is a disturbing study. Wouldn’t be surprised if next the neocons recommend genital mutilation as a means to promote abstinence.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:29 pmI’m thinking “shaking the devil off” is Daryll’s own private little code for “releasing sexual tension”.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:29 pmDaryll???
December 29th, 2008 at 3:33 pmRaptureReady Says:
Another worthless study by a liberal/secular-progressive college. It’s plain and simple. If you feel sexual urges, read your bible. The bible says that an idle mind is the devil’s workshop.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
The Bible (you forgot to capitalize It) says a lot of things, RR. Why would reading the Bible help when you have “sexual urges”? I know my mind isn’t idle when that happens. Like most males (with you being an obvious exception), when I get sexual urges, my mind works on ways to do something about them. You must be a virgin, or you would understand how stupid that suggestion is.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pmPerhaps he only had time for a quickee.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:37 pmNevar Says:
Perhaps he only had time for a quickee.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Tiffany can only endure so much fumbling…
December 29th, 2008 at 3:39 pmRaptureReady Says:
“It’s plain and simple. If you feel sexual urges, read your bible.”
No thanks! I’d rather have sex.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:40 pmGo figure!
My guess is he’s shaking the devil off.
You know what the say about “idle hands”…
(Daryll says it’s in the Bible, but I haven’t found that phrase yet in those pages. Waiting on Daryll to finish “shaking”, wipe himself up and come back to answer my questions. Might be a long wait.)
December 29th, 2008 at 3:42 pmRaptureReady Says:
“It’s plain and simple. If you feel sexual urges, read your bible.”
That’s funny! When I was the Director and Psychologist for a residential treatment center for teenage boys with sexual offending histories, it was very common for the boys to highlight all the sexually explicit parts of the Bible they were allowed to have in their room. They got as much sexual excitement from this as they would have with a Playboy magazine.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:45 pmPLC,
Better they were highlighting the sexual parts rather than the violent parts. Me, I’m atheist, but if all people get out of reading their Bibles is “to love one another as you yourself want to be loved”, then I won’t complain.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:50 pmRaptureReady Says:
“It’s plain and simple. If you feel sexual urges, read your bible.”
That’s exactly what all those pregnant & STD infected teens were told.
Basically what you’re saying is that the fact that “abstinence education” doesn’t work only proves that people should try employing “abstinence education” techniques. See, in real-life land we call that being stupid.
Also, you’re claiming that the study is false because the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health is a politically biased institution? Got any evidence of such assertions? Evidence of bias? Critique of the study methodology used?
Didn’t think so.
It’s not that we’re being elitists, it’s that you’re being a Goddamned idiot.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:50 pmLet man try to interfere with love.
Love will always win because it’s a beautiful natural emotion.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:53 pmDid bristol have her baby?
December 29th, 2008 at 3:54 pmHas mooseyak had another baby?
One can never tell with the virgin mary.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:54 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
Better they were highlighting the sexual parts rather than the violent parts.
Unfortunately they often did both as sex and violence were linked in their attitudes. I’m not so sure that many of the “adult males” who are not in such treatment (i.e BushCo)have sex and violence linked in their psyches. It would explain the glee with which many of them promote and support war so readily.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:55 pmPLC, sex and violence have always been linked in the human psyche. It’s a fundamental part of our subconscious architecture. The twin primal drives — survival and procreation. They are as human as human can be, and also as natural and animal as can be. This truth drives fundies crazy, since they are loath to admit that human beings are animals too, little different from wolves, elephants, dolphins or any other mammal on the planet.
December 29th, 2008 at 4:01 pmI find it extremely humorous that Mr. Schneider, an atheist (whom I have great respect for) has to point out to Parodyll the Failure that the Bible needs to be capitalized.
What does it say when a non believer has more respect of the Word than our resident pseudo-believer?
PLC,
December 29th, 2008 at 4:02 pmYes. Especially Song of Solomon. What with the references to fellatio and cunnilingus. No wonder Parodyll the Failure shakes the devil off!
Please leave the Bible out of it. It was written by man for man.
I can point out all the filth of your “Bible” to counter your nonsense.
In the name of God one says when all else fail.
December 29th, 2008 at 4:02 pmThanks, DRxJ. I’m just trying to show a modicum of respect, that’s all, something they don’t seem to have for me. :)
December 29th, 2008 at 4:05 pmMy previous post is saying the opposite of how you are reading it … I am referring to the media allowing false arguments such as the new one: “the sun created global warming” to be perpetuated by the MSM in claiming to show both sides of an argument when there really is no argument.
My post was poorly worded now that I look back on it. Sorry!
It has been scientifically proven and studied that abstinence alone does not work and that man is a major cause of global warming. Giving a megaphone to deniers is a dangerous practice by the MSM.
Did that come out better??
December 29th, 2008 at 4:06 pmYeah, when you live in a household that Sarah Palin’s in which sex education/birth control is frowned upon, you’re more likely to watch your daughter go WILD!!
December 29th, 2008 at 4:10 pmApologies, mk3872.
December 29th, 2008 at 4:11 pmRaptureReady Says:
Another worthless study by a liberal/secular-progressive college. It’s plain and simple. If you feel sexual urges, read your bible. The bible says that an idle mind is the devil’s workshop.
^
my god if only rap were bristol’s
mother instead of sarah.
*
one less pregnant,
unwed teenage daughter?
^
December 29th, 2008 at 4:17 pmWhat I wanna know is, since when did Daryll adopt the hit-and-run tactics of Troll John Kerry?
December 29th, 2008 at 4:30 pmThe more I read of Daryll the more I’m convinced that the Bible kills brain cells.
December 29th, 2008 at 4:31 pmTP headline:
Study: Premarital abstinence pledges are ineffective.
DRxJ Responds:
Postmarital abstinence just plain sucks!
Sorry. Just a little humor before I head home.
December 29th, 2008 at 4:37 pmMost data indicates that the age of first sexual contact has changes little through the years. Anyone that claims different is most likely in denial.
December 29th, 2008 at 4:45 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
What I wanna know is, since when did Daryll adopt the hit-and-run tactics of Troll John Kerry?
^
not so.
you need a hit
before you can run.
*
December 29th, 2008 at 5:04 pmShit, Ass, Damn! That means I must have missed John Kerry…
December 29th, 2008 at 5:10 pmOh and with these lovely sugar cookies and citron…
Those promise rings will work,but only if you hold them between your knees.
December 29th, 2008 at 5:13 pmShayne Says:
The more I read of Daryll the more I’m convinced that the Bible kills brain cells.
That would be hard to support. Interestingly enough, your average bible-thumper has apparently never actually read the book straight through even once. Typically they back down in an argument when one responds with the context of the snippets they’ve been told to repeat, which in most cases make the opposite point of what they were told it said. I strongly suspect that most modern fundie pastors fervently hope that their followers never actually read any parts of the bible except for the tiny portions they instruct them to look at and repeat ad nauseum.
December 29th, 2008 at 5:14 pmThe simple truth is that anyone who can be badgered into making this ridiculous public pledge can be easily badgered into privately having sex. When asked to make this pledge, kids who tell authority figures to go f themselves are much more likely to be in complete control of their own sexuality behind closed doors.
December 29th, 2008 at 5:38 pmThere are no atheist in a foxhole and there are no virgins in the backseat
December 29th, 2008 at 5:50 pmI would still like to see kids set such healthy goals for themselves. We are all aware that children who remain abstinent beyond sixteen are far less likely to get a sexually transmitted disease, pregnant or have an abortion. All of these things impact these kids negatively and put an undue burden on them. I say let them continue to set high goals. Many can and do attain them. Good for them!!! As far as the Bible killing brain cells, we had much higher high school achievement scores when it was used as a textbook. Be careful when you throw around unsupportable biases. You sound as silly as “inbred rednecks”.
December 29th, 2008 at 6:06 pmGod this one is the funniest post on this thread. Great parody livid.
Conjurs visions of chastity belts and the victorian era. Conservative manna…..ahh. Didn’t work then, won’t work now.
December 29th, 2008 at 6:27 pmdrew3rd Says:
As far as the Bible killing brain cells, we had much higher high school achievement scores when it was used as a textbook. Be careful when you throw around unsupportable biases. You sound as silly as “inbred rednecks”.
December 29th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Correlation does not equal causation. Maybe you could provide some support for your statement…?
December 29th, 2008 at 6:30 pmHmmm. I’m surprised that the GOPpers haven’t accused liberals of a “War on Virginity.”
December 29th, 2008 at 6:30 pmUh, the bible wasn’t the reason we had higher scores and when and where was the bible used as a text book and on what subject pray tell?
Such statments make you sound palenized and as silly as an “inbred redneck”
December 29th, 2008 at 6:30 pmdrew3rd Says:
I would still like to see kids set such healthy goals for themselves…
Interestingly, a number of studies show that kids who get comprehensive sex educations actually abstain from sex longer than those who get abstinence-only educations.
The problem with “abstinence-only” is the “only.” It amounts to just saying “don’t do it” without actually educating.
In a society that constantly reinforces romantic notions of love at first sight, being swept off one’s feet, and sexual spontaneity, it might be a good idea to tell kids how to prepare for “oops, looks like I’m having sex now!” moments.
Set goals, sure. Intend not to do it all you want, that’s fine. But “abstinence education” merely amounts to removing the bumpers, airbags and seatbelt from your kid’s car and then telling them that they’d just better drive safely.
December 29th, 2008 at 6:33 pm. B. Leary Says:
Those promise rings will work,but only if you hold them between your knees.
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I suppose that this is the way it could work for Bibles, too.
December 29th, 2008 at 6:35 pmBeing a nerd was one way to practice abstinence when I was younger.
December 29th, 2008 at 6:36 pmdrew3rd Says:
I would still like to see kids set such healthy goals for themselves. We are all aware that children who remain abstinent beyond sixteen are far less likely to get a sexually transmitted disease, pregnant or have an abortion. All of these things impact these kids negatively and put an undue burden on them.
December 29th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
I agree with this portion of your statement. But I hope you would agree that telling kids not to have sex — with no serious education about how their bodies work, and no access or education about birth control and protection — is the wrong way to go about things.
December 29th, 2008 at 6:37 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
What I wanna know is, since when did Daryll adopt the hit-and-run tactics of Troll John Kerry?
Daryll got too excited and needed to read his Bible.
December 29th, 2008 at 6:44 pmThe thing I want to know is–what on earth does an abstinence only course consist of?
December 29th, 2008 at 6:45 pmDo they just stand up and say, “Don’t have sex, mmkay?” and then sit down and leave the rest of the period for reading old Archie comics?
Do they yell at you for a semester about how awful sex is?
Do they stand there and say, “Now this is the va gin a, which you should never ever touch with anything even if it’s yours. Many people believe in the va gi nal or gasm, while some believe it is a myth, but never mind about any of that, and whatever you do, don’t think about the differences between the two different kinds! No no no!”
What is one of those courses like?
Daryll got too excited and needed to read his Bible.
Only his starts with a small ‘b’, like a tech manual.
December 29th, 2008 at 6:49 pmJamit Says:
There are no atheist in a foxhole and there are no virgins in the backseat
*
but there are virgins in foxholes and atheists in backseats.
what a shame.
*
December 29th, 2008 at 6:52 pmNo arguments here. In fact, no one here is arguing that letting kids have sex at an early age is a good thing. The issue is; what is the most effective way to train our children to deal with sex responsibly (abstaining is certainly dealing with it responsibly).
The article points to the fact that the right-wing method of choice, abstinence-only “education” is actually one of the least effective ways to accomplish this goal.
“Setting healthy goals” is one thing. Giving kids the tools to achieve those goals is quite another.
December 29th, 2008 at 6:54 pmPledges, more BS from the Right WingNut Christians! Baptists and other fundies are like Mormans, they are so full of fear, greed, hate, and war-mongering; they end up more AntiChristian then Christian. They act like they don’t understand the teachings of Christ.
December 29th, 2008 at 7:32 pmWhen the hell did we use standardized tests at the same time we were using the bible as a textbook?
December 29th, 2008 at 7:38 pmThey are called ‘purity rings’, not promise rings. I am not that old and everybody in my generation was having sex as teens. However, my boyfriend and I decided to remain abstinent until marriage. We dated 3 years and made it to the wedding night. So it is possible. I have a daughter that is not mine genetically but she is 17 and I raised her. She has a serious boyfriend and we are facing this very issue. She and her boyfriend are trying to abstain until marriage. I would hope they can do it; I am not naive though.
December 29th, 2008 at 7:56 pmWhy does sex scare so many? Kids have been doing what kids do for forever. This is my second favorite nonissue after the imaginary war on christmas…
December 29th, 2008 at 8:00 pmFundies, Christurds, Inbred rednecks, Filthy Bible, stupid, moron etc..most of us do not fall far to the left or far to the right. Most of us are rather centrist in our ideologies and beliefs. You listen to elements of the far right spout hatred, intolerance and closed mindedness and most of you would fall into the same category only with a different agenda. Every one of you have friends or family who tend to lean a bit right as I have friends and family who tend to lean left. Are these people stupid? Or are they merely trying to get through life and do the best for themselves and their children the same as you all are. If attempting to bond with our children and discuss options with them concerning safe sex is ineffective then I guess we are also wasting our time asking our children to not take drugs, to not drink and drive, to not commit murder etc. …after all asking them not to do these things and attempting to steer them from behavior that will ultimately hurt them is ineffective and futile according to this study. Filling these pages with hatred and vulgarity at people doing their best to raise their children is true ignorance. life is too short to hate people of faith be it Muslim or even the dreaded Christian. If this study showed that warning children about global warming did little to curb behavior that was harmful to the environment in the teen years would you jump to the next logical step and trash environmentalists and call them stupid? Is attempting to keep your children from making mistakes only a silly Christian thing to do? You are that which you hate, only on the opposite side of the fence.
December 29th, 2008 at 8:07 pmSome moron on here that only repubs believe in this bible thumping crap. Lets just look at the facts….our president elect is a bible thumper-remember those 20 years of Rev. Wright that we brushed under the rug?….he also has daughters….but all that aside, I doubt he is as crazy as the idiots that “date” their daughters…but before you post all about the bible thumping GOP get it right-weird ass religions pratice is on BOTH sides of the political crowd.
And as for abstinence-it flat does not work. Didnt work 15 years ago when I was in school and I doubt it has gotten any better.
December 29th, 2008 at 8:09 pmThis is beautiful. Republican tropes are self destructing within weeks of the end of the Bush presidency
December 29th, 2008 at 8:14 pmFilling these pages with hatred and vulgarity at people doing their best to raise their children is true ignorance.
What do you call telling other people how to raise their children? I call that arrogance, among other things. That is what they do. They want you to raise your children a certain way. AND these people have political influence.
So piss off.
December 29th, 2008 at 8:17 pmRaptureReady says:
“If you feel sexual urges, read your bible.”
But RaptureReady, “Rapture = Premature Evacuation!”
Gaiserik
December 29th, 2008 at 8:19 pmjamie2309 Says:
Fundies, Christurds, Inbred rednecks, Filthy Bible, stupid, moron etc..most of us do not fall far to the left or far to the right. Most of us are rather centrist in our ideologies and beliefs. You listen to elements of the far right spout hatred, intolerance and closed mindedness and most of you would fall into the same category only with a different agenda. Every one of you have friends or family who tend to lean a bit right as I have friends and family who tend to lean left. Are these people stupid? Or are they merely trying to get through life and do the best for themselves and their children the same as you all are. If attempting to bond with our children and discuss options with them concerning safe sex is ineffective then I guess we are also wasting our time asking our children to not take drugs, to not drink and drive, to not commit murder etc. …after all asking them not to do these things and attempting to steer them from behavior that will ultimately hurt them is ineffective and futile according to this study. Filling these pages with hatred and vulgarity at people doing their best to raise their children is true ignorance. life is too short to hate people of faith be it Muslim or even the dreaded Christian. If this study showed that warning children about global warming did little to curb behavior that was harmful to the environment in the teen years would you jump to the next logical step and trash environmentalists and call them stupid? Is attempting to keep your children from making mistakes only a silly Christian thing to do? You are that which you hate, only on the opposite side of the fence.
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tell it to bristol.
if you really care.
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December 29th, 2008 at 8:32 pmWhat are you basing your findings that man is a major contributor to global warming on? Is it along the same lines as saying we actually have instruments to tell us how old the earth is? Seeing every technical instrument needs calibrating now and then, what do we have to go by to prove the instrument is correct?
RaptureReady says:
“If you feel sexual urges, read your bible.”
How hypocritical can one be when all it takes is a journey into the Psalms to find Solomons words of his lust for a woman?
Maybe you should study up more on you political religious belief and mind bend.
And, yes. I said political religious belief. For, that is all these different religious followings are.
God is no religion . . . God Is.
As for the topic . . .
December 29th, 2008 at 8:38 pmThose who believe that such thoughts and ideas that anyone pledging to not have sex at anytime won’t live in Romper Room School/Captain Kangaroo world and not in the world of reality.
What do you call telling other people how to raise their children? I call that arrogance, among other things. That is what they do. They want you to raise your children a certain way. AND these people have political influence.
So piss off.
Live long and Prosper, How is a “bond” or “agreement” between a parent and his or her child telling YOU how to raise your children? What does this even have to do with politics? My point…hatred and intolerance are not constructive from either the left or the right. I am merely shocked by how many people in here have such rabid things to say about Christians in general. People in here bad mouthing Christians sound as foolish as a right winger who talks about “A-rabs” as if they are all terrorists. Hatred and intolerance do nothing but highlight your own ignorance. Your final comment of “piss off” highlights it nicely.
December 29th, 2008 at 8:38 pmI guess you told me.
How dare I offer dissent in this forum of “open-mindedness” and “progression”.
Annie Oakley said it best in Annie get your gun- in spite of our best and holiest intentions, in the end we usually succumb to, as she sang it:
“Do’in ‘a what comes nat-shure-lee!
PS, humans, It only makes it more of an obsession to pledge not to “do it!”
December 29th, 2008 at 8:39 pmOoops!! correction::
As for the topic . . .
December 29th, 2008 at 8:40 pmThose who believe in such thoughts and ideas that anyone pledging to not have sex at anytime before marriage live in Romper Room School/Captain Kangaroo world and not in the world of reality.
Maybe we should look at the kink factor in pledging to not do it?
December 29th, 2008 at 8:40 pmjamie2309 Says:
What do you call telling other people how to raise their children? I call that arrogance, among other things. That is what they do. They want you to raise your children a certain way. AND these people have political influence.
So piss off.
Live long and Prosper, How is a “bond” or “agreement” between a parent and his or her child telling YOU how to raise your children? What does this even have to do with politics? My point…hatred and intolerance are not constructive from either the left or the right. I am merely shocked by how many people in here have such rabid things to say about Christians in general. People in here bad mouthing Christians sound as foolish as a right winger who talks about “A-rabs” as if they are all terrorists. Hatred and intolerance do nothing but highlight your own ignorance. Your final comment of “piss off” highlights it nicely.
I guess you told me.
How dare I offer dissent in this forum of “open-mindedness” and “progression”.
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so you’re not coming back?
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and what of bristol
and her bastard child?
no love for her?
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thank you so much for your
“open-mindedness” and “progression”.
December 29th, 2008 at 8:45 pmEhhh.
It’s simply human nature to resort to strike at the others ankles when they know there’s no way that person can be forced to see and understand things their way
December 29th, 2008 at 8:48 pmoh and by the way
it’s not the “bond” or “agreement” but
the “silly dance” they have
to do that bothers me.
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and it should bother you as well,
jamie, that is if you really cared.
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December 29th, 2008 at 8:49 pmI do not know Bristol and did not mention her at all so I am not sure what you are jabbering on about. Do you know her? To speak of her child that way surely you must. I am sorry that she offended you so greatly with whatever she did to you. It is none of my affair but I wish well for her child. We have all made mistakes. Do you hold this as overwhelming proof that Christianity and morality are indeed exercises in futility? What exactly is your point?
December 29th, 2008 at 8:51 pmThe “silly dance”? What is this silly dance you speak of?
December 29th, 2008 at 8:53 pmWhere was there any put down of Bristol and her child by the use of “bastard”?
Last i looked, she isn’t married to the childs father
December 29th, 2008 at 8:54 pmjamie2309 Says:
The “silly dance”? What is this silly dance you speak of?
it’s a link to a purity site
December 29th, 2008 at 8:55 pmIf McCain had won, and then died in office, would Bristol be an unwed mom in the Palin White House? Would she be eligible for a couple years of a miserly handout, and then “off to work” on the schedule that the poor are on?
How conservatives would’ve howled with joy if one of Obama’s girls would have been the same age and pregnant!
It would be a different narrative all right, in fact it would have been a production just like Wright!
Bottom line is, abstinence programs never did work, ain’t working now, and never will work! Millions of years of (dare I say the word) evolution trump imposed behaviors every time!
December 29th, 2008 at 8:57 pm“Pledging Abstinence” works about as well as pledging to stay married to the same person for the rest of yor life. Being married for a lifetime to the same person works less than 50% of the time and these are adults we’re talking about. How many of us are “Monday Dieters”? How good does that Krispy Kreme donut look by about Wednesday? How many times have we quit smoking? Then pull into the convenience store to buy a pack of cigarettes 2 days after you “quit”? Giving kids only one option, abstinence, when we as adults are so weak-willed is just another “do as I say, not as I do” scenario. Animals are geared to “procreate” and no gimmicks (rings, rallies, threats)will work every time. If kid are going to “do it” (and they are) at least give them birth control. If even one unwanted pregnancy is prevented, we’re that much ahead of the game.
December 29th, 2008 at 8:57 pmI know what the word means and you are well aware that referring to the child as a “bastard child” is derogatory. Perhaps,you routinely go around to single parents you know and refer to their offspring as “bastard children”. I don’t know. What I do know is you have yet to make a point.
December 29th, 2008 at 8:58 pmConservatives, especially of the religious kind, have no clue at all about what’s really going on in this world…but they will keep on trying, again, and again, and again, God bless their silly souls.
December 29th, 2008 at 8:59 pmStephanie Hammack Says:
jamie2309 Says:
The “silly dance”? What is this silly dance you speak of?
it’s a link to a purity site
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don’t talk to jamie
about “purity”.
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as if jamie really cared
about “purity”.
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December 29th, 2008 at 8:59 pm^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Doesn’t know Jamie but IS ROFLMAO right now :p
December 29th, 2008 at 9:01 pmThe train goes in the tunnel. The stationmaster can flash red lights all the goddamn day, but it’s a big f’n train, and…oh, hell…
December 29th, 2008 at 9:01 pmjamie2309 Says:
I know what the word means and you are well aware that referring to the child as a “bastard child” is derogatory. Perhaps,you routinely go around to single parents you know and refer to their offspring as “bastard children”. I don’t know. What I do know is you have yet to make a point.
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jamie.
learn.
do.
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i wish you luck and
godspeed.
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December 29th, 2008 at 9:01 pmWould it be proper for elements of the right to act like this Human Nature? No it would not. And it is also not proper for elements of the left to act like this. This is my original point. The hatred towards Christianity and the right in this forum is ridiculous. It is no different from hatred and ignorance from the right. I happen to be from the right and say the same things to people from the right who speak of liberals as “socialists” “welfare hippies” “do-gooders” “arab lovers” and other such ignorance. Many of my best friends and the most loved people in my life are from the left but i do not think them stupid or call them names because we have ideological differences. I do not frequent these forums much obviously and only wanted to point out that many people in here are precisely that which they profess to hate.
December 29th, 2008 at 9:07 pmyou ALL miss the critical point: the intellectual dishonesty of abstinence-only education….it is a lie, we’ve all known it for years…..
so these creepos not only have gotten by with lying to mankind, lying with our tax dollars, and most significantly lying to themselves on this issue and many more
it’s “bearing false witness” in the exreme….let the hypocrites be judged!
December 29th, 2008 at 9:07 pm“Conservatives, especially of the religious kind, have no clue at all about what’s really going on in this world…but they will keep on trying, again, and again, and again, God bless their silly souls.”
But the Almighty Wizard2000 has it all figured out!
December 29th, 2008 at 9:07 pmIt makes me laugh that while you all worry about it the kids are feeling each other up. Always has been always will be. Lighten up freaks…
December 29th, 2008 at 9:11 pmre: jamie2309 Says:
yea, but….
the Christians (read American conservatives) consider themselves beyond criticism….they’re by definition the good guys to whom the rest of us are expected to kneel and be kind ….certainly try not to offend (neighbors as they are)
well, the REST of us are sick of being so kind while we’re getting our nuts kicked in by these intolerant hypocrites…..have you read any chuck norris inanity lately?
December 29th, 2008 at 9:15 pmnedinaz Says:
you ALL miss the critical point: the intellectual dishonesty of abstinence-only education….it is a lie, we’ve all known it for years…..
so these creepos not only have gotten by with lying to mankind, lying with our tax dollars, and most significantly lying to themselves on this issue and many more
it’s “bearing false witness” in the exreme….let the hypocrites be judged!
Yet, we keep reelecting them?
December 29th, 2008 at 9:15 pmnedinaz: Would it also be wise to stop telling kids they should not use drugs? After all, they are only going to do it anyway. Look around you and you will see proof because kids are still getting high. Therefore, it would be better to institute the responsible use of drugs in school. The correct way to free base so that you will not get burnt. The best places to find clean needles and best ways to shoot heroin. Should we young drivers how to be a better drunken driver as statistics show many of them are going to drink and drive rather than waste our times “preaching” sobriety and abstinence from alcohol. Why when we put forth abstinence in these other situations are we not called “religious freaks”…people are not trying to keep their kids from having sex because they think it is unholy….well most of them…they are trying to teach their kids abstinence in order to have respect for themselves, their body, their future spouse and to avoid pregnancy and disease. Why is this a problem to you? Why do you feel the need to attack such a proposition?
December 29th, 2008 at 9:18 pmDo you really want to know why our youth is falling apart and not following through the laws that are being applied through celibacy. Well lets see we as parents aren’t allowed to spank our children any more due to the fact that we will be arrested by our actions, most parents do not abuse their children; they just simply spank to let children know that yes there is authority aside from the law we try to instill proper teaching to our children and still get punished by our authority for doing what’s best for our children. Sure I believe that any child who goes around pulling the trigger should be punished. But just as our national television provides commercials that say it’s okay to be gay! ( No it’s Not) It’s a sin it’s against the church and sure many non catholic churches allow this behavior to happen and then what? Our children who are being raised proper into the laws of the church are being corupted by the stupidities and sins of the devil. My son who is being raised into a mother father home is now asking what is up with the whole male///male thing? yuk! Did you all ever think that our youth is sinking there is no morality left in this world thanks to the stupid media and their acceptance to homosexuality and the right to have sex before marriage. Well you know what to hell with you all! God is the right person to turn to and no it is not right for our youth to have sex before marriage. It is not right for our children to accept homosexuality as an okay thing because it is not. If you have doubts about your life, your sexuality, or your way of living then you should contact a higher resource in a church and I mean a catholic church!
December 29th, 2008 at 9:19 pmAnd here is where you enter the world of ignorance. Did the study happen to look into drinking and driving and effects of programs and parents efforts to prevent it?
Yes Jamie2309, we should just get along. The world doesn’t work that way. If no one fights against organized religion, we end up with The Taliban. Or something similar… and closer to home.
So piss off
December 29th, 2008 at 9:21 pmI might add that this is just fearmongering. “If we don’t follow Abstinence Only our kids with drive drunk.”
December 29th, 2008 at 9:24 pmNo sh!t!
Touching yourself isn’t wrong kids. And touching each other won’t make the God that isn’t in the sky cry. God has better things to do than be a pervert.
Modern religion blows!
Practice safe sex…it can be fun.
December 29th, 2008 at 9:25 pmQuestion me Says:
Do you really want to know why our youth is falling apart and not following through the laws that are being applied through celibacy. Well lets see we as parents aren’t allowed to spank our children any more due to the fact that we will be arrested by our actions, most parents do not abuse their children; they just simply spank to let children know that yes there is authority aside from the law we try to instill proper teaching to our children and still get punished by our authority for doing what’s best for our children. Sure I believe that any child who goes around pulling the trigger should be punished. But just as our national television provides commercials that say it’s okay to be gay! ( No it’s Not) It’s a sin it’s against the church and sure many non catholic churches allow this behavior to happen and then what? Our children who are being raised proper into the laws of the church are being corupted by the stupidities and sins of the devil. My son who is being raised into a mother father home is now asking what is up with the whole male///male thing? yuk! Did you all ever think that our youth is sinking there is no morality left in this world thanks to the stupid media and their acceptance to homosexuality and the right to have sex before marriage. Well you know what to hell with you all! God is the right person to turn to and no it is not right for our youth to have sex before marriage. It is not right for our children to accept homosexuality as an okay thing because it is not. If you have doubts about your life, your sexuality, or your way of living then you should contact a higher resource in a church and I mean a catholic church!
And, you believe that on judgement day that being catholic or protestant will really mean anything? You sure are being presumptious about who and what God really is, aren’t you?
Just like all protestant ideas and beliefs, catholicism is man made
December 29th, 2008 at 9:27 pmAnd, you believe that on judgement day that being catholic or protestant will really mean anything? You sure are being presumptious about who and what God really is, aren’t you?
Just like all protestant ideas and beliefs, catholicism is man made
First of all to whom left this last message
And, you believe that on judgement day that being catholic or protestant will really mean anything? You sure are being presumptious about who and what God really is, aren’t you?
Just like all protestant ideas and beliefs, catholicism is man made
December 29th, 2008 at 9:34 pmMay God forgive you because I didn’t leave that last message!
sectionop92 Says:
Modern religion blows!
Excellent point!
How soon we forget that all religion is is Gods acceptance that man isn’t going to listen to Him
December 29th, 2008 at 9:34 pmQuestion me Says:
And, you believe that on judgement day that being catholic or protestant will really mean anything? You sure are being presumptious about who and what God really is, aren’t you?
Just like all protestant ideas and beliefs, catholicism is man made
First of all to whom left this last message
And, you believe that on judgement day that being catholic or protestant will really mean anything? You sure are being presumptious about who and what God really is, aren’t you?
Just like all protestant ideas and beliefs, catholicism is man made
May God forgive you because I didn’t leave that last message!”"
I, Stephanie Hammack, left that message!!
Just keep on believing in your silly little idea that being catholic or not means one single thing to our Creator.
December 29th, 2008 at 9:37 pmWhat creator? Why should I belive in one?
December 29th, 2008 at 9:42 pmQuestion me Says:
And, you believe that on judgement day that being catholic or protestant will really mean anything? You sure are being presumptious about who and what God really is, aren’t you?
Just like all protestant ideas and beliefs, catholicism is man made
First of all to whom left this last message
And, you believe that on judgement day that being catholic or protestant will really mean anything? You sure are being presumptious about who and what God really is, aren’t you?
Just like all protestant ideas and beliefs, catholicism is man made
May God forgive you because I didn’t leave that last message!””
I, Stephanie Hammack, left that message!!
Just keep on believing in your silly little idea that being catholic or not means one single thing to our Creator.
By the way . . . .
There is this passage in the Bible that clearly states . . .
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
ummm . . . step into a catholic church . . .
December 29th, 2008 at 9:42 pmThe problem with a promise is that it is very hard to keep it.
December 29th, 2008 at 9:44 pmYou need power to keep a promise! “I am the vine, you are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing.” John 15:5.
“Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” Luke 10:19.THE ONLY WAY TO GET THIS POWER IS TO HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST!”For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16.”For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” Romans 3:23.
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 6:23.
No Jesus! No Peace! Know Jesus! Know Peace!
I think people should have sex before marriage, what if they don’t get married by 30 should they waste their sex lives away? What about finding out before marriage if you fit together sexually, if you don’t fit and are not sexually attracted to eachother the marriage is doomed, its better to find out before instead of spending money on divorce.
December 29th, 2008 at 9:54 pmWhat thinking person would buy a car without a test drive?
December 29th, 2008 at 10:09 pmYou know what’s funny to me! That someone who knows that the truth comes out in any way is being constantly attacked somehow….well I tell you what my message is nothing to be made fun of and those of you who insist on adding on to my e-mail messages will be persecuted under law. NO youth should be violated and no the youth should not be misled. Our youth should be allowed to grow within it’s traditional own way. If they decide to take the road that is lead estray then we will find a way to turn them back. God forgives those who choose to lead a misfortunate way and yes the way he forgave those who lead him to his death, he will forgive those who ask for his forgivness. So to all of you who think that we came from baboons and think that we can act like animals God forgive. You were raised wrong, very wrong! We were made from a very prestigious strong blessed beautiful wonderful spiritual knowledgeable,justable, powerful,everlasting, supreme, delight. Which is our Lord our GOD! So youth who believe waiting for marriage is the right thing to do then blessed are they who follow the way of our Lord Jesus Christ!
December 29th, 2008 at 10:10 pmjamie2309
why did you change your name to:
jesus.livesinme?
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“I understand the importance of bondage between parent and child.”
- Dan Quayle
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jamie,
dan quayle is from the right.
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December 29th, 2008 at 10:11 pmplease be carefulof the use of the word “our” Thanks. By accident or intent, it tries to include me in someone elses cult.
December 29th, 2008 at 10:12 pmamie2309 Says:
nedinaz: Would it also be wise to stop telling kids they should not use drugs? After all, they are only going to do it anyway. Look around you and you will see proof because kids are still getting high. Therefore, it would be better to institute the responsible use of drugs in school. The correct way to free base so that you will not get burnt. The best places to find clean needles and best ways to shoot heroin. Should we young drivers how to be a better drunken driver as statistics show many of them are going to drink and drive rather than waste our times “preaching” sobriety and abstinence from alcohol. Why when we put forth abstinence in these other situations are we not called “religious freaks”…people are not trying to keep their kids from having sex because they think it is unholy….well most of them…they are trying to teach their kids abstinence in order to have respect for themselves, their body, their future spouse and to avoid pregnancy and disease. Why is this a problem to you? Why do you feel the need to attack such a proposition?
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i don’t.
just do it with your own money,
‘k?
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December 29th, 2008 at 10:16 pmQuestion me Says:
You know what’s funny to me! That someone who knows that the truth comes out in any way is being constantly attacked somehow
I never had a word to say to you until your question of who I am. Problem is, the truth is the Jesus is the ONLY way into heaven, not some religious denomination. Want to quote scripture? If the “catholic way” is the ONLY way, then why is it that at the very moment Christ died on that cross the shroud separating the courts of jew and gentile torn? Why does Jesus – Himself – say . . . “to enter my Fathers house, you must come thru me”
Save your branding of those hell bound for those with little or no knowledge
December 29th, 2008 at 10:23 pmOhWhy is this a problem to you? Why do you feel the need to attack such a proposition?
I don’t know, I mostly feel the need to attack the premise just to show the weird dichotomony of those weird religious types that are all hung up on the gay thang…
December 29th, 2008 at 10:24 pmAs for the gay bashing here . . .
If wharlots weren’t too low for our Savior to spend time with, who are you to judge?
December 29th, 2008 at 10:28 pmPlease stop saying “our” as it implies I am part of the group which is all into that irrational shit.
December 29th, 2008 at 10:30 pmFor the record . . .
There is no one here i hate or wish ill will on. I will say this, tho . . .
Thanks for the chat. It is fun and refreshing to “meet” people who refuse to back down from what they honestly believe in.
Steph
December 29th, 2008 at 10:31 pmQuestion me: So you’re saying that every girl who gets pregnant was “raised wrong, very wrong“? You sound so much like the religious fanatic mother in “Carrie’ it’s scary. You’ve probably never seen “Carrie”, but I know a lot of us have. Go rent it if you want to see my impression of you. Oh, not to give away the finish, but Carrie finally had enough of her mohter in the end. By the way, it’s 9:34, do you know where your kids are and what they’re doing?
December 29th, 2008 at 10:33 pmWhen the media pushes it as hard as tobacco companies did with cigarettes what do you expect? Most kids with strong family relationships or stable self esteem can control themselves. The rest of you cave in then wonder why you get diseases, can’t get pregnant when you really want to, and are entangled in the Child Support Intersept system. The monkeys are the ones that copy what they see, hear and are enticed by the by the media and your peers. Self control is a virtue to aspire to and a sign of maturity. Besides, these studies are designed only to sell you something, not for your benefit.
December 29th, 2008 at 10:35 pmfresnoindian Says:
When the media pushes it as hard as tobacco companies did with cigarettes what do you expect? Most kids with strong family relationships or stable self esteem can control themselves. The rest of you cave in then wonder why you get diseases, can’t get pregnant when you really want to, and are entangled in the Child Support Intersept system. The monkeys are the ones that copy what they see, hear and are enticed by the by the media and your peers. Self control is a virtue to aspire to and a sign of maturity. Besides, these studies are designed only to sell you something, not for your benefit.
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that was a refreshing brain fart.
got any more?
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December 29th, 2008 at 10:44 pmThat is super silly. Who is it you think you are speaking to? Besides why should we care to be spoken to by you?
December 29th, 2008 at 10:45 pmZooey – No prob
December 29th, 2008 at 10:46 pmYou know what I think that the youth should be instructed properly by their parents and religious intercesors and I feel that with the era of today’s life no child be left to choose a proper decision due to the media or with the lifestyle that it has provided by the media. It causes destruction and I being a parent wouldn’t want to be left with a son who is predeceased by me due to death by sexual relations at the age of 14 by a deadly disease or a daughter who decided to have intercourse at the age of nine due to my ignorance because her friends were doing it. I want to be better than that and all Americans who have children should be aware of that! We do not live in the land of ignorance we live in the land of the free! If we want better for our children then we should start by reenforcing the laws at home, school, and everywhere else a minor under the age of 18 attends. We owe it to our babies and their future children which are our generation. Lets start taking charge of our childrens life not and not allowing them to make decisions for themselves. Where will our future generation be if our 3 year olds are deciding where we should work, and live?
December 29th, 2008 at 10:59 pmStephanie Hammack: Any one who believes that children underneath the age of 21 is allowed sex before marriage especially children underneath the age of 21 is a child molester! Shame on all of you who believe the children should be allowed sex. It is a sin!
December 29th, 2008 at 11:12 pmI’d bet a 3 year old would pick me a super cool job way betterthan the one I have now. I say let’s give the toddlers a shot
December 29th, 2008 at 11:14 pmsex is only a sin if you are doing it correctly
December 29th, 2008 at 11:16 pmQuestion Me wrote
Do you really want to know why our youth is falling apart and not following through the laws that are being applied through celibacy. Well lets see we as parents aren’t allowed to spank our children any more due to the fact that we will be arrested by our actions, most parents do not abuse their children; they just simply spank to let children know that yes there is authority aside from the law we try to instill proper teaching to our children and still get punished by our authority for doing what’s best for our children. Sure I believe that any child who goes around pulling the trigger should be punished. But just as our national television provides commercials that say it’s okay to be gay! ( No it’s Not) It’s a sin it’s against the church and sure many non catholic churches allow this behavior to happen and then what? Our children who are being raised proper into the laws of the church are being corupted by the stupidities and sins of the devil. My son who is being raised into a mother father home is now asking what is up with the whole male///male thing? yuk! Did you all ever think that our youth is sinking there is no morality left in this world thanks to the stupid media and their acceptance to homosexuality and the right to have sex before marriage. Well you know what to hell with you all! God is the right person to turn to and no it is not right for our youth to have sex before marriage. It is not right for our children to accept homosexuality as an okay thing because it is not. If you have doubts about your life, your sexuality, or your way of living then you should contact a higher resource in a church and I mean a catholic church!
Now, I am confused. The point of the article was to point out that the Absentence Only method is not as effective as a well rounded sexual education that included knowledge of contriceptive and highlighted the consequences of all sexual related acts with contriceptives or without.
How the heck did homosexuality come into play here?
A human being and child of Christ who belives in the full teachings of Jesus as well as search all text related to my faith, I want say that I sick of faux-conseratives and mega church attacks on group of people who have not done anything to them other than express their love.
Homosexuality is not some big bad monster coming out to steal your wife or husband. It’s not trying to molest your children or lead you down the road to debauchry. Christians, the so-called moralist, high-minded individuals who believe that they are God’s chosen (good luck with that, by the way, according to your own faith, the Jews beat you guys out about 2,000 years.) have preyed upon their own flesh and blood believing that it was their right as the father and that their daughters (and sons) belonged to them. They have beat their wives because a good preacher told them to do so to get the devil out of the woman. They have kill innocent people because of difference in faith or skin color. I can’t condemn just Christians to suck sickness and depravity. All religions in the world have such twisted beliefs. But here in this country, where no man or woman should be denied their rights of happiness, I want to stand up to one person and say to you on the behalf of my aunt, my long dead best friend, and the poor boy I met after he had been kicked out his home because he dared to love another boy: You are not a Christian. You don’t believe in the true of Christ. You don’t believe in love. You don’t believe in peace. You don’t in not condemning others lest you be condemned! You are living in sin daughter of Rachel, with another woman’s man. Lying there like a harlot on your back commiting adultry, shaming your father’s house as your try to hide your sins. You think you earn God’s favor by condemning something that we don’t know is a sin. And please don’t throw the Old Testment at me, because according your faith in Christ, all sins are forgiven and the laws written anew. But ignorance and denying your brother a place at your table even in the eyes of Jesus is still a sin worthy of damnation.
There was to Jesus than virgin birth and the cruxifition. There was hope, understanding, and salvation for everyone, not a few, but for us all. It is this that we should embrace if want to be worthy of the name Christian. Heaven is big and wide enough to a million worlds a million times over. You just need to believe and trust in God to know that you are welcomed there too. Because I hate to tell you, but there are going to be gay people in heaven. There are going to be there right beside you for the very same reason you and the anthiest, the Muslims, Buddist, the Jews, and everyone else–we are all God’s creation and our Father wants to met us, face to face.
God bless you and may he keep you and yours. But please, for your sanity and spiritual well-being, stop attacking the gays. They are your family in Christ as you are theirs.
December 29th, 2008 at 11:20 pmQuestion me Says
Is it a sin when birds do it? Is it a sin when cows or horses or pigs or dogs or cats do it? How about our cousin the chimpanzee? And Flowers? They don’t seem to be bothered by sexual reproduction.
Then why might it be a sin if people — who are of nature – do it? And Last I checked, one becomes an adult at 18, at least legally…
Personally, I have taught my children the Truth about their bodies since they were very small. How it works, what the parts are… Age appropriate, of course, as they got older, the questions get more complicated. But they ask and they are not ashamed to ask. Can you say the same of your children? Along with the truth they also get a healthy discussion on the consequences of their actions and also the realities of an unwanted pregnancy. Along with these I also give them my fervent hope that they will wait until they are ready for the consequences should they occur. However, I cannot live their lives for them, nor do I wish for them to live their lives in fear. But knowledge is power, I would rather that they be armed with the truth than fumbling in the dark for the answers only to learn the hard way.
I always find it amazing that people who wish to lessen unwanted pregnancies also will not teach their children the truth about biology and are so against the use of birth control methods. Perhaps they don’t really understand how it works. I trust my kids to make the best decision for them. I have my life to live, I have no business living theirs for them. They have their own lessons to learn, as you do.
December 29th, 2008 at 11:43 pmSex is for married adults by law! Now all of you who think this is wrong should be held responsible for molestation, especially those who think that alcholhol is okay for minors! Blahhhhhhhh! It pisses me off when I see a 17 year old drinking liquor uhh it burns my soul, wanna know why because now our kids; our kids are getting the okay to be alchoholics, drug addicts, and who knows what the hell comes after that!uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuyyyyyyyyyyyyy! What the heck do Parents think really what in samuels name are you all thinking off? don’t you want to create a better safe enviroment for our babies as I call them. After all we suffered the pain of giving birth to them, we not only suffered the pain; we stared them in their precious eyes and told them how we would do better by raising them I mean hello! OUR BABIES! Should we allowed ourselves to be idiots to the parent game and to be grandparents before our time…… Now think really hard. Let’s say you gave birth to your little guy or girl at the age of 18 or 19 and now have endured a life of what no freedom because you were so young and busy thinking of what’s best for your self and baby. Well think do you want your youth to be parents at the same age never wondering what would be a better life having 2-3 more kids by the age of 20 the answer is (NO) Why because our youth shouldn’t be thinking of sex they should be thinking of dolls and g.i. joes at the age of 14. They should be preparing for college at the age of 18 and they should be prepared to graduate at the age of 27 that’s why! Our children should be prepared for the best. Especially with this day in age! So Let’s lift our greatest desires and pray to the Almighty and ask him let our children be safe and let them be celibal. We will only know then how great it will be.
December 29th, 2008 at 11:44 pmTeens definitely need sex education along with the encouragement to abstain from sex until they are older.
Zooey Says:
Mommy & Daddy’s itty bitty dream world — FAIL.
December 29th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Zooey Says:
BTW, my niece received her “promise ring” from her parents last summer. She’s 15.
December 29th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
What prudes! Give it up and get those girls out there! The ones that wait will just make the others feel guilty anyway, right? ;)
December 29th, 2008 at 11:56 pmFirst of all, this is about the lack of success of people keeping their promises, not about the lack of success of abstinence. Saying you’ll be celibate or abstinent until marriage is one thing, actually doing it is something completely different.
December 30th, 2008 at 12:13 amSecond, this is just one study. There’s studies out all the time! Just listen to the news: every day you hear something counter-intuitive, and even studies contradicting each other. Take for example eggs: some studies have argued that the high cholesterol levels make eggs too unhealthy to eat, while others point to the health benefits and argue that they outweigh the disadvantages of cholesterol. It’s all about sample size, and whether it was truly random… Don’t be shocked if you hear another study stating the contrary is true.
Having said that, let’s not forget that abstinence until marriage is still the best option in most circumstances. All religious and moral considerations aside for those who don’t believe in God or religion, let’s not forget about the psychological, and even sexual, problems that are endured by those who had premarital sex, especially with multiple people. And of course the STD’s speak for themselves… condoms are ~93% effective, but abstinence is 100% effective (that is, if the individual can stay strong and stick with it)
You want to know what I think…
December 30th, 2008 at 12:19 amThere ought to be a 90% Homosexuals and 10% Straights for a generation or two…This would take care of worries concerning unwanted births and would solve the biggest problem on this planet right now…OVER POPULATION.
Seems that with so many people here now, there are just too many STUPID ones.
So, uestion Me, let’s see if I can cut and paste this quote correctly:
“Lets start taking charge of our childrens life not and not allowing them to make decisions for themselves.”
That really does epiomize what I see as the fundamental problem with the abstinence only programs, and a whole lot more which we get from fundamentalism. The idea that the way we help our children grow up to be capable, responsible, compasionate, honest, hard working, trustworthy and overall responsible adults is to “not allow them to make decisions for themselves.” That is a very efective way to ensure that they are not capable of making decisions for themselves when they become adults, whether you believe that is at 21, at 18, or at the first point where someone asks them to have sex,take drugs, go somewhere and kill people because some told them to do so, or one of the other times when they will have to make a decision with real consequences. It is a traditional way to keep peasants from becoming uppity, by rying to criple them intellectualy so that they don’t think, and don’t make decisions, just do as they are told, but it doens’t work so well once you move beyond feudlism. Of course, that is a lot of what some of our world’scurrent problems are about. In many parts of the world the feudalist social system still wants the typical person to shut up and do as ordered, with the extremist religious support feudalism has always enjoyed. Note that I say extremist religion, since mainstream religion has grown up with the rest of society,and has figured out how to reconcile God with the concept of God endowing his children with free will. And in some other parts of the world, the feudalists are enjoying a temporary resurgence (due to end in about three weeks or so). There, too, they enjoy the same trditional support or religious extremists, who are pretty much indistinguishable from the extremists in the other parts of the world. There isn’t really all that much philosophical diference between a promise ring and a burqa, nor is the relationship between a church and a follower all that much different when either extremist church describes ignorance and fear as a path to holiness. You seem to feel that God wants his children to behave like a swarm of lemmings. That might fall a bit short of what even your God expects. As the nuns explained it to me back in catechism class, God gives us free will so that we can choose his path. Without free will we can make no choice, and so cannot have faith. Without faith there is no salvation. So, if you don’t allow your children to learn how to make choices, are you really hleping them to become what God wants them to become?
December 30th, 2008 at 12:55 amMaybe Sarah Palin can be the point person on how these studies just aren’t true. After all, both Sarah and her daughter Bristol are perfect examples – oh wait – Bristol and Levi “tripp”-ed up that one! Oops!
December 30th, 2008 at 1:02 amupright left Says:
Zooey Says:
BTW, my niece received her “promise ring” from her parents last summer. She’s 15.
December 29th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
What prudes! Give it up and get those girls out there! The ones that wait will just make the others feel guilty anyway, right? ;)
December 29th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
My point, FREAK — which you so conveniently left off — was that her 17 year old brother was not required to make any promises not to have sex before marriage.
DOUBLE STANDARD, F UCKWIT.
December 30th, 2008 at 1:03 amHow interesting that this report comes out on the same day that it is announced that Bristol Palin gave birth, out of wedlock, to a 7 lb 4 oz baby boy.
December 30th, 2008 at 1:28 amDallasNE Says:
How interesting that this report comes out on the same day that it is announced that Bristol Palin gave birth, out of wedlock, to a 7 lb 4 oz baby boy.
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named tripp.
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December 30th, 2008 at 1:34 amRaptureReady Says: 60
Another worthless post by an ignorant brainwashed hiveminder. Never does the RupturedRetard understand a thread or well anything at all really. What a waste of life this useless troll is. Daryll do us all a favor and stop wasting the oxygen that a higher life form could be using
December 30th, 2008 at 2:34 am*
named tripp.
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What a long strange tripp it’s been…
December 30th, 2008 at 9:04 am;)
Zoo @189:
December 30th, 2008 at 10:02 amGood to have that cleared up and dispel any appearance of hostility toward young girls who wait and the parents who value them.
So why continue to dodge the question of the young boys? I am stillperplexed by anyone who buys a car without a test drive but I suppose that is a whole different question…
December 30th, 2008 at 10:12 amQuestion me Says:
Do you really want to know why our youth is falling apart and not following through the laws that are being applied through celibacy. Well lets see we as parents aren’t allowed to spank our children any more…
Yes. Beatings are the answer. And you wonder why everybody thinks you people are stupid and evil, and insults you at every turn.
December 30th, 2008 at 10:49 amupright left Says:
Zoo @189:
Good to have that cleared up and dispel any appearance of hostility toward young girls who wait and the parents who value them.
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welcome to the “silly dance”
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December 30th, 2008 at 10:54 am“Well lets see we as parents aren’t allowed to spank our children any more…”
What? That’s absurd. I just chain mine to the raditor and deny them food for several days. Then I kick the dog and strangle the cat… Freakin’ weirdo….
December 30th, 2008 at 11:53 amWow, some real religious cult followers here on this thread.
Wonder who the fundies think are going to carry thier flag now?
bush promised to make abortion illegal and to jail all the gays but him and the gop didn’t do any of the things they promised the religious right in exchange for thier souls…….funny they think god supported the war in Iraq.
December 30th, 2008 at 12:30 pmupright left Says:
Zoo @189:
Good to have that cleared up and dispel any appearance of hostility toward young girls who wait and the parents who value them.
December 30th, 2008 at 10:02 am
F uck you.
December 30th, 2008 at 1:59 pm______
joe cantwell Says:
upright left Says:
Zoo @189:
Good to have that cleared up and dispel any appearance of hostility toward young girls who wait and the parents who value them.
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welcome to the “silly dance”
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December 30th, 2008 at 10:54 am
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Joe, the dance and the ring would not be my choice, but I do recognize the parent’s attempt to protect their daughters from becoming sexually active too soon. Most people seem to agree that some girls are vulnerable because of lack of self worth and/or feeling unloved. I feel no need to disparage parents who are attempting to make their daughters feel special for who they are so they don’t feel the need to look elsewhere for approval. ;)
December 30th, 2008 at 11:51 pm_____
Zooey Says:
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upright left Says:
Zoo @189:
Good to have that cleared up and dispel any appearance of hostility toward young girls who wait and the parents who value them.
December 30th, 2008 at 10:02 am
F uck you.
December 30th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
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No thanks, zoo. ;)
December 31st, 2008 at 12:21 amFor those of you who don’t know basic U.S. history, the Bible was a textbook in all schools until the 1950’s. Rural schools kept it until 1963 (you know the ruling). Interestingly, 1963 is the year that school grades began their decline until our new low today. Violence amongst students began to escalate at a never before seen rate at this point in American history as well. I realize that cause and effect are not necessarily inter related, however, there is that tricky bit about unintended consequences. What is it about Christians that frightens you so? Their militant dedication to Abolition, Women’s Suffrage or the Civil Rights movement? Christians are the finest people among us. they are the ones who work thehardest, pay the most taxes and volunteer, almost exclusively, in their communities and schools. We have a saying at our school. If you need volunteers, call the local Christian church. If you need to raise money, call your local Christain church. If you need to discipline a student, don’t let the women’s democrat club know.
December 31st, 2008 at 4:54 pmI’m not buying drew3rd’s schtick…
January 2nd, 2009 at 2:38 amQuestion Me,
Your ideas would have a better chance of being accepted if you evinced even a MODERATE command of the English language. It’s difficult to read or to take seriously posts which sound like the railing of a not-particularly-intelligent televangelist. Or those posts which lambaste anyone who does not share a very narrow view of Christianity. I am a fervent Christian–and your posts embarrass me, because they give such excellent ammunition for attacks on Christianity. Because I am a Christian, people who read your posts might think that you speak for ME, which you EMPHATICALLY do not. There’s precious little “good news” in your version of the Gospel.
January 16th, 2009 at 7:06 amThis dude is actually taking people to court for not abstaining!
Read more here:http://www.broowaha.com/article.php?id=4468
January 18th, 2009 at 2:43 amhttp://www.broowaha.com/article.php?id=4468
http://www.broowaha.com/article.php?id=4468
January 18th, 2009 at 2:45 am