Bush Administration Trying To Make It Easier To Turn Forests Into Housing Subdivisions
Bush Administration Trying To Make It Easier To Turn Forests Into Housing Subdivisions
In yet another potential last minute rule change, “the Bush administration appears poised to push through a change in U.S. Forest Service agreements that would make it far easier for mountain forests to be converted to housing subdivisions.” Though President-elect Obama has opposed the move, Mark E. Rey, the former timber lobbyist who heads the Forest Service, has signaled that he intends to finalize the plan before Obama’s inauguration. As a presidential candidate, Obama vocally criticized Rey’s plan while campaigning in Montana, calling it “outrageous.”
Rey is pushing a technical change that it will have “large implications“:
The shift is technical but with large implications. It would allow Plum Creek Timber to pave roads passing through Forest Service land. For decades, such roads were little more than trails used by logging trucks to reach timber stands.
But as Plum Creek has moved into the real estate business, paving those roads became a necessary prelude to opening vast tracts of the company’s 8 million acres to the vacation homes that are transforming landscapes across the West.
Scenic western Montana, where Plum Creek owns 1.2 million acres, would be most affected, placing fresh burdens on county governments to provide services, and undoing efforts to cluster housing near towns.
After Rey first proposed the rule last summer, Sen. Jon Tester (D-MT) requested a Government Accountability Office report that eventually found “considerable internal disagreement” within the Forest Service about the proposed change. The GAO concluded that 900 miles of logging roads could be paved in Montana and that amending the long-held easements “could have a nationwide impact.” Rey told the Washington Post on Wednesday that he plans to push his plan forward “in the next week or so” after he holds courtesy meetings with lawmakers. Tester says no meetings have been arranged yet.
Throughout his tenure heading the Forest Service, Rey has regularly tried to avoid public scrutiny of his anti-environmental policies, such as when he “waited until late on December 23, 2003 to announce the removal of roadless protections to allow logging” in Alaska’s Tongass National Forest. When Rey testified before the House Subcommittee on Forests and Forest Health in 2001, he said that wanted the Forest Service to be able to “use categorical exclusions more often” because he believed that environmental assessments wasted “the time of resource managers and taxpayer dollars.”
For more on Bush’s last-minute regulations and proposals, read ThinkProgress’s report, “Bush’s Backward Sprint To The Finish.”
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“Mark E. Rey, the former timber lobbyist who heads the Forest Service”?
doesn’t think guy realize that once you’ve built a house on a piec of land chances are you’ll never harvest lumber from it again?
January 3rd, 2009 at 1:18 pmmountain forests to be converted to housing subdivisions.”
i recall an awful lot of b!tchin’ about this very thing during the recent fires in california…
(2nd try… better TP? … no one can guess what that word actually is now! ha!)
January 3rd, 2009 at 1:24 pmPlum Creek is doing the same thing up here in Maine. They own a lot of logging land in the area known as the North Woods. They want to develop the high-value land around all of the small lakes that are in this location. It will spoil the character of this area forever.
January 3rd, 2009 at 1:27 pmJust one more mess Obama will have to clean up.
January 3rd, 2009 at 1:28 pmSen Tester is from Montana (MT). MN is Minnesota.
Plum Creek (such a nice-sounding name) already did a lot of damage in Washington State.
January 3rd, 2009 at 1:33 pmAs if we need more houses..
January 3rd, 2009 at 1:38 pmI can’t see Montana’s cattlemen going along with this. It will mean increased groundwater pollution, less grazeable acres, and more rustling.
January 3rd, 2009 at 1:45 pmXisithrus Says:
As if we need more houses..
January 3rd, 2009 at 1:38 pm
As if we need more rich people, who want to stay in their $750,000 vacation/ski cabin in the woods over the holidays, putting a burden on local rescue operations when they get trapped by 12 feet of snow.
Happy New Year, Zep. :-)
January 3rd, 2009 at 1:48 pmi find these 11th hour rule changes to be egregious, unconscionable. why, given all that we know about the effects of deforestation and global warming, do republicans do the stupidest sh*t imaginable?
January 3rd, 2009 at 1:56 pmThese last minute rule changes by Bush&Co are not acceptable.
There will be many issues that must be reversed immediately upon taking over the White House and government later this month.
BTW, with the housing industry in such crisis, how is this viewed from a practical standpoint? Oh, I see, these will be multi-million dollar homes with spectacular views — the robber barons of today need another vacation home.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:06 pmThis is what comes of turning a vital piece of wisdom from the Founding Fathers–govermnent should be carefully watched–into a psychosis, i.e., government is evil and should be screwed up in every way possible.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:13 pmBreaking news: CNN says Israeli ground troops have entered Gaza. Preceded by increase in shelling.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:16 pmRaptureReady Says:
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
**flagged**
Off topic — and completely nucking futs.
BTW Daryll, check the news on November 4, 2008. You’ll see that Israel violated the cease fire, not Hamas. F ucking sheep.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:17 pmMark Rey has been a blight on the environment for years. He is one of the left overs from Griles and Norton. This administration has quite a record of putting in place inept people or those friendly to the industry they are supposed to be regulating.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:17 pmDaryll,
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:18 pmChristians are not supposed to be in favor of massacres. They are supposed to be in favor of peace.
Which God’s will?
That is a ridiculous, superstitious, primitive thought process. To think that a spirit in the sky is calling for some of the world’s population to kill others of the world population.
I don’t want to get started on religion here, but the OT god was vengeful and merciless. The NT god, as represented by Jesus was peaceful and forgiving.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:18 pmReligious interpretations are capricious, subjective and stupid — they have no place whatsoever in government.
The new President-elect is not ready or experienced for this task.
And McCain would have done… what?
Except offer his support for more indiscriminate killing?
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:19 pmRR is Daryll?
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:20 pmOh, so that explains it. The home-schooled, slow-witted kid who can’t think for himself, but believes whatever is the bulls!t on the agenda for the day.
So RaptureReady, you are all for killing children so you can reach your ‘End Time’? That is total hypocrisy. What is sad is your stance will disqualify you from being raptured. As well as there being no such thing.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:21 pmJust a little off subject you forking moron. Go pollute redstate with your superstitious bullsheit.
What a pack of ignorant fools. Spamming mofo.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:21 pmRapture Ready,
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:22 pmWhat happens to the Israelis when the Rapture comes? Remind me again?
Yeah, because we know that god (small “g”) put vengeance in OUR hands, right?
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:24 pmBack to the topic, Republicans won’t be happy until they can sell all the trees and minerals and pave the whole god damned planet. They care NOTHING for the environment. Whatever happened to the Goldwater Republicans? Whatever happened to the hunters and fisherman? These corporate whores are absolutely disgusting. And I’m not even a diehard environmentalist.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:25 pmRaptureReady Says:
Stick to the topic ya forking spammer. What is wrong with you retards?
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:26 pmRapture Ready,
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:26 pmYou are very warped. Try reading the New Testament again. Christians are not supposed to follow the vengeful Old Testament.
The Bible says nothing about the Rapture.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:27 pmAgreed, my apologies.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:27 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/02/gaza-humanitarian-crisis/
Try the comment section on this story moron. It’s a s close as you’re going to get. Hijacking a forum for your own bullshit is a load of crap.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:28 pmNo RR, war is part of your false god mindset. You are a hypocrite. Matthew 23 is the scripture you need to read. Stop by your local library and have a look for a bible. It is obvious you don’t have one.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:29 pmWhat’s the point? This idiot will continue as long as he gets an reply.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:31 pmPlease don’t feed the troll! As Zooey said, Daryll/Rapture Ready is nucking futs, and I’m tired of him and his ilk hijacking thread after thread here.
And Daryll, shouldn’t you be naked on your roof, waiting? Don’t forget to leave us your car keys.
PEACE
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:31 pmBush chugs to the finish…
Or is it a beer bong?
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:34 pmJust giving an update.
RR, we know you are fool. No update needed.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:37 pmSince TP doesn’t cover business stories, here a few more Bush acts of corporafornication:
1. On December 23rd Bush issued an executive order for the Transporation Department to provide insurance for airlines. His private sector/free market approach failed yet again.
2. IndyMac Bank is being acquired by private equity firms and hedge funds. America’s shadow banking system will own a bank, 100% of it.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:37 pmMy New Year’s resolution, is to completely ignore “D” Who is Not to be Named.
The ignomy is well-earned.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:38 pmWhat is amazing is that the right-leaning Politico.com and even many libs give Obama a hard time about his admin appointments.
Yet Bush was allowed to get away with putting in place ex-lobbyists and industry insiders in all of these governance and oversight positions in the Fed Gov.
The media never scrutinized Bush the way they are Obama because they are fearful of Bush & Cheney.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:41 pmHi Rapture Ready,
Should I be nude? Can you bring like an Ipod or Iphone, or some sort ot shit like that? I am just curious as I will be mostly focused on the naked chicks.
Lift me up my brother…
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:44 pmLiberal media bias my ass. There is a corporate media bias. They know who signs their checks.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:52 pmIf you have ever walked in the Tongass raise your hand.
If you haven’t you should…
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:53 pmWell, I can’t say as I have, but I have been in some beautiful natural surroundings that I would hate to see vanish due to corporate greed, and the desire for excess materialistic status.
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:59 pmSad to see all this last minute crap going on, but not surprising. I wonder how difficult it will be for the new admin to undo all this outgoing treachery?
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:59 pmNever? You think the timing is a coincidence? You can bet neocon chickenhawks are knee deep in this crap.
January 3rd, 2009 at 3:02 pmbarfly Says:
I can’t see Montana’s cattlemen going along with this.
You think they’re going to be asked what they think?
I think Plum Creek should only be allowed to create developments around Jackson, Wyoming. And then just in the area surrounding Dick Cheney’s ranch.
But seriously, the simplest solution would be to make sure that for any development (regardless of whether this rule impacts it or not) a 30-year study be done to project the burden imposed on the environment and nearby public resources, and then have the development company pay that into a trust up front. That might make ‘em think twice about the location and scale of their development proposals.
January 3rd, 2009 at 3:17 pmoldgoat,
January 3rd, 2009 at 3:26 pmThere are so many beautiful lands to walk…
It’s much easier to throw a couple o’ bucks in a Republican corporate whore’s political campaign then offer them a big salary job like Billy Tauzin did with the pahrmaceutical industry after he helped get the Medicare bill passed.
He got 2 mil a year for his efforts.
January 3rd, 2009 at 3:27 pmartmann11 Says:
It’s much easier to throw a couple o’ bucks in a Republican corporate whore’s political campaign…
Oh yeah. For any corporate executive, the ROI of a political contribution is insanely high. You can get people elected for a pittance compared to how much profit you can get out of their decisions after they’re elected.
But it’s worth mentioning that Dems have some corporate whores too. They just haven’t made corporate whorism a party platform.
January 3rd, 2009 at 3:36 pmartmann11 says:
It’s much easier to throw a couple o’ bucks in a Republican corporate whore’s political campaign then offer them a big salary job like Billy Tauzin did with the pahrmaceutical industry after he helped get the Medicare bill passed.
Funny, everybody is having a fit over ole Blago from Illinois but the republican corporate whores have been conducting business like that for years.
January 3rd, 2009 at 3:38 pmGreen-Party Says:
Sad to see all this last minute crap going on, but not surprising. I wonder how difficult it will be for the new admin to undo all this outgoing treachery?
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Well… if Obama is willing to be the same kind of nasty, secretive, bullying POS Botch has been, he’ll just do a signing statement.
Jan 21 can’t come soon enough.
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:00 pmHow about tents… nobody uses tents in timber country anymore?
Let’s just build a few apartment buildings in Central Park… or the Washington Mall…
Can we pass a law that these stupid decisions at least have to go through Congress and be recorded? Ugh.
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:10 pmWell, I would welcome the rich folks.
$30 million for a 1000-2000 square foot house/cabin, all the profit going to forest preservation. Maybe Jeff Allen or Mark Cuban gets in on it but not too many people.
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:11 pmObama will have to change a few things, but mostly just hold people accountable to laws that ALREADY exist. Torture, wiretapping, clean air, etc. are not unsettled grey areas… people have agreed to many clear standards like, oh, not torturing.
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:15 pmCan Obama just make a blanket executive order that reverses all bush executive orders that were made, after, say, nov 4th or does he have to target each one??
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:17 pmAbsolutely. Bill Clinton and his Walmart Arkasas mindset screwed the US working man.
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:17 pmI’m from Illinois and that idiot just handed the Republicans a big mallet to beat Democrats with. Republicans are white collar criminals with no equal but they will target Blago.
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:20 pmBobwurst Says:
Can Obama just make a blanket executive order that reverses all bush executive orders that were made, after, say, nov 4th or does he have to target each one??
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Hell… Botch had no qualms about doing something like that. The worthless, delusional, incompetent POS from Hades undid laws, rules, and regulations that had been in place for DECADES w/ just a wave of his magic hand.
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:26 pmRepublicans are white collar criminals with no equal but they will target Blago.
The Abramoff scandal is a very active investigation and it is flying far below the radar. One gets the sense that the professionals in the Department of Justice who have been investigating this scandal are waiting out the Bush Administration to minimize political interference and any possible pardons Bush might hand out to his co-conspirators as he leaves office.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/2/0828/92837/28/679346
When the GOP screams Blagojevich: We scream Abramoff!
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:28 pmBush Administration Trying To Make It Easier To Turn Forests Into Housing Subdivisions»
Is there anything left, besides the have mores bush is not trying to destroy? Is this what Bush has called hard work?
I watched the documentary A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash on Netflix and the part I had to go back and listen to was when the oil is gone, our earth will only be able to sustain 1.5 to 2 Billion humans in population as there is no other true energy source to compare with oil. So is bush doing hard work trying to kill off the have lesses?
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:43 pmRupturedRetard 21
YOU are a moron who lacks a functioning cerebral cortex
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:58 pmSuburban Sprawl! Strip malls! Wow, yet another Wal-Mart! (Hey, where did George Washington’s boyhood home go?)
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:58 pmTouche’.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:00 pm#26, RaptureReady says,
144,000 jews will make to Heaven (From different Jewish tribes). Unfortunately, the Bible says that many countries will come against Israel. Israel will receive suffer because of the war.
YOU’RE A MORON. Describe those “different Jewish tribes.” And use complete sentences!!!
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:11 pmTP, I know you’re on vacation, but Israel is invading Gaza.
Anything…?
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:15 pmWatch it Zooey…
you could be labled anti-semitic even though Israel is a country and not a religion…they do that over at CrooksAndLiars.com…
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:18 pmI guess that’s a risk I’ll have to take, dixie. :)
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:21 pmTheZoo has a bit of coverage on the Gaza situation today.
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:28 pmformer timber lobbyist who heads the Forest Service,
Please delete the word “former”. Obviously he’s still lobbying for the timber industry from an official position.
Typical Bush appointment. Too bad they didn’t look up the mission of the forrest service which is NOT to harvest timber, but instead balance all uses of forrest including recreation.
Also, with Global Warming, isn’t converting forrests of trees to free carbon kind of a dumb idea ?
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:57 pm#26, RaptureReady says,
144,000 jews will make to Heaven (From different Jewish tribes). Unfortunately, the Bible says that many countries will come against Israel. Israel will receive suffer because of the war.
Has it ever occurred to you that the agenda of all this nonsense is around money? That the rapture ready, heaven, war hype keeps you guys in line and ready to dish out the funds to the lying professional speakers? Not saying all do this but most likely the most extreme do… such as the rapture ready crowd.
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:26 pmMother Nature Fights Back !!?
(Jan. 3) – Several more earthquakes rattled Yellowstone National Park on Friday, raising fears over the recent geological activity in the area.
Since Dec. 26, about 400 temblors have rumbled under the park, centered under the northern end of Yellowstone Lake. The small quakes Friday registered up to a magnitude of 3.5.
Swarms of small earthquakes happen frequently in Yellowstone, but it’s very unusual for so many earthquakes to happen over several days, says Robert Smith, a professor of geophysics at the University of Utah.
“They’re certainly not normal,” Smith said. “We haven’t had earthquakes in this energy or extent in many years.”
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:30 pmJust another example of Chimpy’s defective, juvenile, cruel, intellect. If he doesn’t set the White House on fire, you can damn well bet he’ll set off a couple stink-bombs. He will wreck anything he can before his days are over.
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:38 pmAnd, on a related note, these are the sick freaks that Daryll stole his moniker from. Don’t read it if you don’t want to barf. Death and destruction makes them sexually excited. They are, without a doubt, the most disgusting group of beasts I have encountered on the net. Much like Daryll. Even neo-nazis are less disturbing.
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?p=951298#post951298
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:45 pm“It would allow Plum Creek Timber to pave roads passing through Forest Service land.”
Could we pave the roads with the teeth of dummya, kindanasty, cheney, angry trannie annie coulter, tokyo rose malkin the entire employee roster at fox and ever republican in the house and senate? they didn’t specify asphalt.
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:47 pmLushInterior,
Were you born an a$$hole, or did you work at it your whole life?
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:58 pmCounting of the 900+ wrongly disallowed absentee ballots is done. Franken is now ahead by 223.
Time for Coleman to concede. Even if he wins all his challenges, he can’t overcome that lead.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:01 pmThe Plum Creek Company should be dealt a full deck of imminent domain. Eight million acres makes them the largest private landowner in the country. Greed will utterly destroy this country if it isn’t curtailed.
And yes TP…what’s with the complete lack of coverage on the Israel-Gaza issue?
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pmLushInterior
Shut up, basement dweller.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Counting of the 900+ wrongly disallowed absentee ballots is done. Franken is now ahead by 223.
YES!
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm“LushInterior,Were you born an a$$hole, or did you work at it your whole life?”
let me field this one. actually, he was born a blithering idiot, the apparent result of fetal alcohol syndrome exasperated by the fact he now has swill listerine since liquor store will sell to him anymore.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:04 pm*since liquor stores will no longer sell alcohol to him.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:04 pmZooey Says:
BTW Daryll, check the news on November 4, 2008. You’ll see that Israel violated the cease fire, not Hamas. …
not how duby calls it… i believe i heard him say otherwise on a clip of his saturday address……..
i’m just checking in and catching up so i can’t validate any more than that…
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:05 pmRegarding Israel’s week-long offensive against Gaza, this is from Washington Monthly. Death toll, by the way, is 450 in Gaza and 4 in Israel in the past week. Injuries in Gaza are about 2,100, I don’t know how many in Israel have been injured, but so far it appears to be running a 1-100 casulty rate. This is a non-proportionate reaction to the extreme and should end now!! U.S. reaction? Same as during the Israel-Lebanon conflict in 2006. Total support.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:09 pmStupid troll.
I’ve spent my entire life in beautiful forests and have watched them decline because humans are idiots. I’ve seen migration routes change because humans are idiots. I’ve seen frogs and salamanders disappear because humans are idiots. I’ve seen beautiful homes consumed by fire because humans are idiots. I’ve watched temperatures rise because people are idiots.
We only have one home in all of the universe and, if we want to survive as a species, we have to stop trying to destroy the only home we have.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:13 pmWhen the religious people convince me that God exists, then I’ll let them tell me that He said we could do whatever we want to the land (after showing me where He said that). Until then, stop destroying the planet and acting like you have a God-given right to do so!
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:16 pmLushInterior Says something factually incorrect:
“beins Obama and the Dems are handing out money by the trillion I think I might try and get some…”
not to point out the obvious assclown but, it was your tin idol dummya on the tee-vee nearly in tears saying if he didn’t get his 700 billion accountibility free bad, bad things would happen.
bad, bad things DID happen. the money disappeared with ZERO accountibility.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:21 pmDems are handing out money by the trillion
Explain to me, white trash, where are dems and dems alone handing out taxpayers dollars by the trillions?
Are you sure you’re asking the right question? ($1 trillion unaccounted for at the Pentagon, republicans in office for the last eight years, surpluses turned into deficits during their tenure, hundreds of billions wasted in the Iraq quagmire, $700 billion to thrown at Wall Street)
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:24 pmThe problem with your SSI plan, stupid troll, is that one has to pay into the system before one can collect. Go work your as$ off for thirty years and get back to us.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:25 pmI find it curious, that despite their expressed outrage, the Egyptian Govt. has not opened their border to Gaza to food medicine, fuel, etc.
They have allowed some wounded to be transported to Egyptian Hospitals.
When the Gazans knocked down the border fence , earlier this year…the Egyptians built it right back up.
I think Arab Governments are afraid of Islamic Movements like Hamas. Unfortunately, this Gaza situation is only going to create More Islamists.
As usual..innocent people caught in the middle of this catastrophe are paying the price.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:26 pm77 LushInterio
was that your best effort of a got you…. as we all know your president, congress and soon to be supreme court is gone from your claws for good…. and probably you gopper party too. And who is going to bring your party back? Palin? More jokes would be good.
So rant and tease all you want if it really helps.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:31 pmThese slimy greed meisters will stop at nothing. And Obama better recognize we are not dealing with your father’s Republican party. Read The Wrecking Crew by Thomas Frank and understand all the dots being connected again and again. These people are evil. Period.
And just how did this thread get off on Hamas? We’ve got a ton of problems here at home, and I suggest that many of you need to spend some of your energies trying to oust the evil right here in the good ol’ USA.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:31 pmMaybe the stupid troll lives downstream from a strip mine? Heavy metals in his water would explain much. Or, perhaps, his brain was addled by pesticides?
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:32 pmsome say I’m crazy……I think I can prove it!
You’ve got my vote, admiral.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:32 pmhey lush, i got an idea that will surely get you on the disability dole. the next time you’re out allegedly cutting down a tree, lop your head off with the chainsaw. then again, everything you post clearly displays you don’t use your head…
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:32 pmWhy do trolls think they’re the only ones who work?
Idiots.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:34 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
LushInterior,
Were you born an a$$hole, or did you work at it your whole life?
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Comes naturally, Wayne… a by-product of genetic inbreeding…
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:35 pmquestioneverything:
It’s not an either/or equation. Human stupidity is universal and must be stomped out wherever it rears it’s ugly head.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:35 pmLushInterior Says:
…some say I’m crazy……I think I can prove it!
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Well… the Fundies do claim endless, uh, “self-gratification” will drive you mad…
BTW, lushy… vision starting to go? Hair growing from the palms of yer hands?
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:37 pmYou want an accurate gauge of Bush’s legacy, look at the graffiti and artwork that I’ve accumulated from all over the nation and the world.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:41 pmLush.
Obama has never been our president. Clinton left the economy in terrific shape—surpluses as far as the eye could see. The one to blame is Dubya—a failure at everything. The Bush administration is the one handling the bailout and the banks are not accounting for where the $billions are going.
More on topic: species are becoming extinct at 1000 times the natural rate:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/11/17/1100574533626.html?from=storylhs
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:47 pmsome say I’m crazy……I think I can prove it!
nu-uh… catch 22…
you just proved you’re a selfish inconsiderate jerk, is all…
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:48 pmOT:
Franken lead jumps to +225 over Coleman after counting wrongfully rejected absentee ballots today.
Say it Bill O’Reilly: Senator Al Franken!
- Tom
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:58 pmLushMoron 77. Why do you keep coming here and embarassing yourself you ignorant troll? Go sit in the corner with a nice hot cup of STFU and let the adults talk
January 3rd, 2009 at 8:20 pmLushMoron says he has already bred. Bummer. Please you ignorant piece of garbage give youself a vascectomy with a hammer and chisel so there will be no further corruption of our gene pool with your stupidity and lack of decency
January 3rd, 2009 at 8:22 pmIf you have ever… ever studied population growth, you will realize that cities continue to grow… not only upward, but outward. Keep living the dream of cutting down forests and living in nice, cushy homes away from crime-riddled city areas. They’ll be coming for you, and soon you’ll have no more forests to cut down, and no more nice cushy homes to huddle in.
It’ll be time to hide in bunkers and caves… now, where have I heard of that sort of behavior before…
January 3rd, 2009 at 8:29 pmLushInterior Says:
pete…already have son.
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At least that’s what his wife tells him…
“No, really, honey… he’s yours…”
January 3rd, 2009 at 8:31 pmThat was almost a spit-take, TRoS. But then I was overcome with sadness that morons, and the morons who marry them, continue to breed.
January 3rd, 2009 at 8:48 pmWho would have thought that Daryll would show up on a thread about forest policy???
He totally faked me out.
January 3rd, 2009 at 9:05 pmDaryll is overcome with glee that Muslim children are being bombed in Gaza, ralph. It’s just not funny any more. I’ll be flagging any post I see from that despicable POS.
January 3rd, 2009 at 9:12 pmThe Reichwning trolls have discovered the Minneapolis Star/Tribune web site. Since our resident stupid trolls have scurried for cover, you may enjoy the diversion. I do love the smell of desperation in the face of reality.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/37047159.html
January 3rd, 2009 at 9:22 pmBut as Plum Creek has moved into the real estate business, paving those roads became a necessary prelude to opening vast tracts of the company’s 8 million acres to the vacation homes that are transforming landscapes across the West.
Yeah. Just what we need. Wonder what the fire insurance is like….
Cheers,
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:00 pmBLM numbers suggest that our forests have grown to never before seen acreage. I understand a desire to protect pristine wilderness but surely there is a balance to be struck. BLM also reports that old growth forests need more prescribed burns than they could ever actually accomplish. They believe that mega forest fires will continue until our forests are sufficiently thinned to manageable levels. Balance appears to be the key.
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:15 pmSo, does the need for “controlled burns” make it desirable to build subdivisions before such burns happen?
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:34 pmThere is and we are now approaching it swiftly. The republican party once again becomes the long term minority after only 8 years of taking our country backwards.
That’s the balance we need and guys like you are helping us. thanks.
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:51 pmdrew3rd, would you please provide a link showing the BLM statement that our forests have grown to never before seen acreage. Also, according to the Forest Service review of the Biscuit fire, thinning alone is not the best way to go.
http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/news/2006/03/fuel-treatment.shtml
I am also very skeptical as thinning has been used as a ploy to log in areas that were once off limits. The Forest Service has also admitted that putting out every fire is not the best way to go. And the Park Service has a good write up on the 1988 Yellowstone fire here:
http://www.nps.gov/yell/naturescience/wildlandfire.htm
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:54 pmWe only have one home in all of the universe and, if we want to survive as a species, we have to stop trying to destroy the only home we have.
Celebrate Earth Day with DisneyNature’s film Earth.
Trolls need not apply.
Seriously, you can all go to hell fcuking dipshits, but I’m not letting you take our planet with you.
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:00 pm.
January 3rd, 2009 at 11:37 pmI really don’t think we need many new houses right now.
drew, I too would appreciate a link to a BLM statement that forests have grown to “never before seen acreage”. It sounds a little counter-intuitive to me.
On another topic, yesterday you wrote:
“I was told that the most thoughtful people in America were here, at thinkprogress.org. All I’ve seen is hatred, hatred and more hatred.”
I was curious who told you that “the most thoughtful people in America were here, at thinkprogress.org”, and I also questioned your hyperbolic claim that “all you’ve seen” here is “hatred, hatred and more hatred”. My guess is that you see what you wish to see.
January 4th, 2009 at 12:37 amAnd some say he isn’t fit to sleep with the pigs but I think he is.
January 4th, 2009 at 12:46 amUSpace Says:
Well SpaceKadet your first four word were correct YOU DONT REALLY THINK. What with the ability for higher brain function being FAR beyond your wildest dreams
January 4th, 2009 at 5:03 amPrint this guy, Rey’s, address and contact info. The problem we face is that individuals are changing policy, that is meant to protect us all, for their personal gain. To the extent they feel there is no reprecussion, they will continue to tear this country apart. In our democracy, we elect representatives to discuss and decide on such matters as land use in our forests, and that includes the public being involved in planning.
Those who abuse their power by creating policy based on their own internal interests need to be held accountable. If this man walks, he encourages such abuse by others. America is our home, we must hold this man accountable to the People! Print his name, his address, and his crime, so that his actions and their results may be seen by all, and justice be dealt!!!
Hold him, his family, and all others who benefit from his actions, totally and equally accountable. To the extent that any wealth be gained by his action, it is theft and nothing less. We have the right to strip he, his family members, and all other accomplices of that wealth, that it be restored to the taxpayers from whom it was pirated. His estate should be held fully accountable for any and all resulting damages to the environment, due to his actions. We must all work to reclaim our country. This man should walk the rest of his days in fear of the hand of justice! Then, and only then, will such criminals think twice about their actions.
January 4th, 2009 at 9:45 amJanuary 4th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
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Everyone should have a free home.
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ignore credit scores
give everyone homes
- like musical chairs
to deny a mortgage
January 4th, 2009 at 1:23 pmmust be due to racism
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Well free homes for all does seem a noble goal for the “greatest nation on earth” but I haven’t heard anyone mention the idea till now.
January 4th, 2009 at 1:25 pmDon’t have have hundreds of crappily built subdivisions built in places where no houses should be built already sitting empty, not finished, every house being foreclosed. The LAST THING WE NEEDS ARE MORE CRAP SUBDIVISIONS!!!
January 4th, 2009 at 2:16 pmOh, so that explains it. The home-schooled, slow-witted kid who can’t think for himself, but http://www.makkale.blogcu.com believes whatever is the bulls!t on the agenda for the day.
January 4th, 2009 at 2:32 pmWhere’s Hannity when you need him ? He was all up in arms a while back over eminent domain. He saved a family landscaping business of 60 years on a one acre tract, which I commend him for doing, Appalachia is being bombed, terrorised, blasted and bulldozed right into Third World America. http://www.wisecountyissues.com Hannity’s America sure isn’t My America.
January 4th, 2009 at 4:08 pmRalph, looks like Drew took a powder when asked for facts to back up his claim. Go figure. Ha.
January 4th, 2009 at 5:05 pmSo has anyone even considered buying USpace’s tome? No room on these shelves…
January 4th, 2009 at 5:12 pmLushInterior Says:
Wayne and bozo….yes I have been working on it for awhile and bozo any impairment I suffer is no ones fault but my own which brings up a good point…beins Obama and the Dems are handing out money by the trillion I think I might try and get some….I think my new years res. will be to stop working and try to get on SSI some how…some say I’m crazy……I think I can prove it!
I’m so glad, LushInterior to see you also rail against the trillions that will go to Wall Street so that they can drink vodka out of peeing ice statues and dine at the finest 5-star resorts while taking home golden parachutes for screwing up things…
January 4th, 2009 at 5:33 pmbecause everyone knows no one can truly prosper unless the richest 1% are drinking their vodka out of the frozen David…
January 4th, 2009 at 5:35 pmLushInterior says: …Obama and the Dems are handing out money by the trillion…
Since when have Paulson and Bernanke been taking their orders from Obama and the Dems?
January 4th, 2009 at 6:58 pmSomeone must have leaked copies of the GOP’s Jan 21 talking points early, and Lushy was so excited he didn’t see that they were embargoed until that date.
How embarrassing for him.
January 4th, 2009 at 9:01 pm